How Porn Can Turn Men Into Beta Males and How to Fix It by Using The Black Pill and the Red Pill

[randomuser2407]

Porn has the ability to create beta fetishes in some men. Fetishes are made from your flaws, from the bad experiences in your past, and from your insecurities.

If you were bullied as a child and unable to defend yourself, you develop insecurities which transform into sexual fantasies that are mainly submissive and beta when you reach puberty, and then porn uses those against you by giving you amazing amounts of pleasure from seeing yourself as a powerless submissive beta male. So, porn can worsen men's low self worth and low self confidence and it can worsen men's beta behaviour by making them want to make their fantasy into a reality. Even after swallowing the red pill and the black pill, you can still be a beta if your sexual desires compel you to act beta around women.

I know because that is what happened to me, because during my childhood I was insecure, I had low self confidence and I suffered from a lot of bullying and rejection most of the time, I ended up fantasizing about being dominated by women and submitting to them, I had femdom fetishes without realizing it, and that was even before I started watching porn. And when I found porn at 17 years old, things only got worse from there, I started with playboy magazines and then into vanilla porn, then bdsm, and then femdom porn. And over the years, I only gained new fetishes, I didn't lose any. If I had never watched porn, I never would have had those fetishes because although I had beta sexual fantasies at the age of 13, they had completely disappeared as I got older, they only came back in full force because of porn, and since then, I have never managed to get rid of them. I have read stories about men who still deal with this in their relationships with women and even those who had lots of hookups never manage to get rid of it.

I even did Nofap for 10 months from November 2016 to September 2017, and when I relapsed, all my fetishes came back. So, what I realized is that Nofap alone cannot fix the problem, because it comes from insecurities and low self esteem.

Here is the problem:

Insecurities and Low Self Esteem -----> You watch Femdom Porn --- > beta fantasies ----> beta behaviour around women ----> women lose respect for you
-----> rejection makes you insecure which makes the problem worse -----> You keep watching femdom porn since you can't get laid

The cycle keeps repeating itself


Here are the steps that I believe are required to fix this addiction to beta fetishes (like femdom):


Step 1) Start Nofap (to stop the beta feedback loop and boost libido at the same time)

Step 2) Build a muscular ripped physique to boost testosterone and to look and feel a lot more masculine and dominant

Step 3) Fix other aspects of your looks that you can change to address all your other insecurities in your physical appearance

Step 4) Develop new passions for skills that you are extremely interested in to gain higher self worth and higher self confidence through self actualization (The goal of this isn't to impress women but to develop a passion that makes you more confident and happier)

Step 5) When you are looksmaxxed, get on Tinder with decent pictures and get laid from that. Do also nightgame and daygame if you have to, to maximize your results.

Step 6) Keep working on yourself and maintaining your looks as much as possible while getting laid more and more, and don't let a woman distract you from achieving your goals (This is what TRP means when they talk about holding frame).


You can do the 4 first steps at the same time and then, in the span of only around 1-2 years at most, as long as you stay consistent, you will be able to get laid, and, by that point, your fetishes should already have been gone a long time ago, because it isn't the sex that fixes the problem, it's everything else.

Just having sex isn't enough to stop being beta, because it doesn't fix your insecurities, low self worth and low self confidence, it just gives you temporary pleasure, it doesn't change you as a person. So, a man who doesn't fix his beta desires who enters a relationship will tend to act very needy and submissive towards the woman, which will make her lose a lot of respect for him and she will no longer want to have sex with him.

I think that a lot of guys on here who have this problem naively believe (like I once did), that if you looksmax and get laid from that, it will fix the biggest problems in your life but the truth is that it won't do anything except give you just temporary sexual satisfaction, leaving you still horny enough to feel like you haven't achieved anything meaningful in the long term.

What I have noticed also is that men who enter into a cuckold relationship with a very slutty wife are doing it because they view themselves as inferior to their partner and inferior to some men, either in penis size, in behaviour (alpha vs beta) or even in looks. So, everything that I am talking about relates back to the black pill, because only the men who are ugly or who have suffered from bad things in the past will suffer from this problem. Most cuckolds are men who would be unable to hookup with other women, even if they wanted to, either because the men are fat, ugly or submissive towards women. And this applies to all other femdom lifestyles that beta males enter into when they choose to make their femdom fantasies come true.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Whatever happened to that photo of you in a BDSM outfit? Did you delete the thread?

 

[Deleted member 14138]

Whatever happened to that photo of you in a BDSM outfit? Did you delete the thread?

LOL

 

[LipstickAlley]

Whatever happened to that photo of you in a BDSM outfit? Did you delete the thread?

come on man, dont bring that shit up

 

[Deleted member 7725]

come on man, dont bring that shit up

Why? I think taking pictures with that outfit on isn't helping his addictions. Unless it wasn't him but it looked like him.

 

[Deleted member 14138]

Porn has the ability to create beta fetishes in some men. Fetishes are made from your flaws, from the bad experiences in your past, and from your insecurities.

If you were bullied as a child and unable to defend yourself, you develop insecurities which transform into sexual fantasies that are mainly submissive and beta when you reach puberty, and then porn uses those against you by giving you amazing amounts of pleasure from seeing yourself as a powerless submissive beta male. So, porn can worsen men's low self worth and low self confidence and it can worsen men's beta behaviour by making them want to make their fantasy into a reality. Even after swallowing the red pill and the black pill, you can still be a beta if your sexual desires compel you to act beta around women.

I know because that is what happened to me, because during my childhood I was insecure, I had low self confidence and I suffered from a lot of bullying and rejection most of the time, I ended up fantasizing about being dominated by women and submitting to them, I had femdom fetishes without realizing it, and that was even before I started watching porn. And when I found porn at 17 years old, things only got worse from there, I started with playboy magazines and then into vanilla porn, then bdsm, and then femdom porn. And over the years, I only gained new fetishes, I didn't lose any. If I had never watched porn, I never would have had those fetishes because although I had beta sexual fantasies at the age of 13, they had completely disappeared as I got older, they only came back in full force because of porn, and since then, I have never managed to get rid of them. I have read stories about men who still deal with this in their relationships with women and even those who had lots of hookups never manage to get rid of it.

I even did Nofap for 10 months from November 2016 to September 2017, and when I relapsed, all my fetishes came back. So, what I realized is that Nofap alone cannot fix the problem, because it comes from insecurities and low self esteem.

Here is the problem:

Insecurities and Low Self Esteem -----> You watch Femdom Porn --- > beta fantasies ----> beta behaviour around women ----> women lose respect for you
-----> rejection makes you insecure which makes the problem worse -----> You keep watching femdom porn since you can't get laid

The cycle keeps repeating itself


Here are the steps that I believe are required to fix this addiction to beta fetishes (like femdom):


Step 1) Start Nofap (to stop the beta feedback loop and boost libido at the same time)

Step 2) Build a muscular ripped physique to boost testosterone and to look and feel a lot more masculine and dominant

Step 3) Fix other aspects of your looks that you can change to address all your other insecurities in your physical appearance

Step 4) Develop new passions for skills that you are extremely interested in to gain higher self worth and higher self confidence through self actualization (The goal of this isn't to impress women but to develop a passion that makes you more confident and happier)

Step 5) When you are looksmaxxed, get on Tinder with decent pictures and get laid from that. Do also nightgame and daygame if you have to, to maximize your results.

Step 6) Keep working on yourself and maintaining your looks as much as possible while getting laid more and more, and don't let a woman distract you from achieving your goals (This is what TRP means when they talk about holding frame).


You can do the 4 first steps at the same time and then, in the span of only around 1-2 years at most, as long as you stay consistent, you will be able to get laid, and, by that point, your fetishes should already have been gone a long time ago, because it isn't the sex that fixes the problem, it's everything else.

Just having sex isn't enough to stop being beta, because it doesn't fix your insecurities, low self worth and low self confidence, it just gives you temporary pleasure, it doesn't change you as a person. So, a man who doesn't fix his beta desires who enters a relationship will tend to act very needy and submissive towards the woman, which will make her lose a lot of respect for him and she will no longer want to have sex with him.

I think that a lot of guys on here who have this problem naively believe (like I once did), that if you looksmax and get laid from that, it will fix the biggest problems in your life but the truth is that it won't do anything except give you just temporary sexual satisfaction, leaving you still horny enough to feel like you haven't achieved anything meaningful in the long term.

What I have noticed also is that men who enter into a cuckold relationship with a very slutty wife are doing it because they view themselves as inferior to their partner and inferior to some men, either in penis size, in behaviour (alpha vs beta) or even in looks. So, everything that I am talking about relates back to the black pill, because only the men who are ugly or who have suffered from bad things in the past will suffer from this problem. Most cuckolds are men who would be unable to hookup with other women, even if they wanted to, either because the men are fat, ugly or submissive towards women. And this applies to all other femdom lifestyles that beta males enter into when they choose to make their femdom fantasies come true.

Explains my attraction to women with fake asses. I don't use porn, but I still fap. I believe that porn is bad for society and men's masculinity.

 

[Deleted member 14138]

Porn has the ability to create beta fetishes in some men. Fetishes are made from your flaws, from the bad experiences in your past, and from your insecurities.

If you were bullied as a child and unable to defend yourself, you develop insecurities which transform into sexual fantasies that are mainly submissive and beta when you reach puberty, and then porn uses those against you by giving you amazing amounts of pleasure from seeing yourself as a powerless submissive beta male. So, porn can worsen men's low self worth and low self confidence and it can worsen men's beta behaviour by making them want to make their fantasy into a reality. Even after swallowing the red pill and the black pill, you can still be a beta if your sexual desires compel you to act beta around women.

I know because that is what happened to me, because during my childhood I was insecure, I had low self confidence and I suffered from a lot of bullying and rejection most of the time, I ended up fantasizing about being dominated by women and submitting to them, I had femdom fetishes without realizing it, and that was even before I started watching porn. And when I found porn at 17 years old, things only got worse from there, I started with playboy magazines and then into vanilla porn, then bdsm, and then femdom porn. And over the years, I only gained new fetishes, I didn't lose any. If I had never watched porn, I never would have had those fetishes because although I had beta sexual fantasies at the age of 13, they had completely disappeared as I got older, they only came back in full force because of porn, and since then, I have never managed to get rid of them. I have read stories about men who still deal with this in their relationships with women and even those who had lots of hookups never manage to get rid of it.

I even did Nofap for 10 months from November 2016 to September 2017, and when I relapsed, all my fetishes came back. So, what I realized is that Nofap alone cannot fix the problem, because it comes from insecurities and low self esteem.

Here is the problem:

Insecurities and Low Self Esteem -----> You watch Femdom Porn --- > beta fantasies ----> beta behaviour around women ----> women lose respect for you
-----> rejection makes you insecure which makes the problem worse -----> You keep watching femdom porn since you can't get laid

The cycle keeps repeating itself


Here are the steps that I believe are required to fix this addiction to beta fetishes (like femdom):


Step 1) Start Nofap (to stop the beta feedback loop and boost libido at the same time)

Step 2) Build a muscular ripped physique to boost testosterone and to look and feel a lot more masculine and dominant

Step 3) Fix other aspects of your looks that you can change to address all your other insecurities in your physical appearance

Step 4) Develop new passions for skills that you are extremely interested in to gain higher self worth and higher self confidence through self actualization (The goal of this isn't to impress women but to develop a passion that makes you more confident and happier)

Step 5) When you are looksmaxxed, get on Tinder with decent pictures and get laid from that. Do also nightgame and daygame if you have to, to maximize your results.

Step 6) Keep working on yourself and maintaining your looks as much as possible while getting laid more and more, and don't let a woman distract you from achieving your goals (This is what TRP means when they talk about holding frame).


You can do the 4 first steps at the same time and then, in the span of only around 1-2 years at most, as long as you stay consistent, you will be able to get laid, and, by that point, your fetishes should already have been gone a long time ago, because it isn't the sex that fixes the problem, it's everything else.

Just having sex isn't enough to stop being beta, because it doesn't fix your insecurities, low self worth and low self confidence, it just gives you temporary pleasure, it doesn't change you as a person. So, a man who doesn't fix his beta desires who enters a relationship will tend to act very needy and submissive towards the woman, which will make her lose a lot of respect for him and she will no longer want to have sex with him.

I think that a lot of guys on here who have this problem naively believe (like I once did), that if you looksmax and get laid from that, it will fix the biggest problems in your life but the truth is that it won't do anything except give you just temporary sexual satisfaction, leaving you still horny enough to feel like you haven't achieved anything meaningful in the long term.

What I have noticed also is that men who enter into a cuckold relationship with a very slutty wife are doing it because they view themselves as inferior to their partner and inferior to some men, either in penis size, in behaviour (alpha vs beta) or even in looks. So, everything that I am talking about relates back to the black pill, because only the men who are ugly or who have suffered from bad things in the past will suffer from this problem. Most cuckolds are men who would be unable to hookup with other women, even if they wanted to, either because the men are fat, ugly or submissive towards women. And this applies to all other femdom lifestyles that beta males enter into when they choose to make their femdom fantasies come true.

So what's with the BDSM thing?

 

[LipstickAlley]

Why? I think taking pictures with that outfit on isn't helping his addictions. Unless it wasn't him but it looked like him.

are you talking about this picture but with bdsm shit on it?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

are you talking about this picture but with bdsm shit on it? View attachment 1274199

Yes JFL. Didn't realize it was edited. What happened to that thread?

 

[randomuser2407]

Why? I think taking pictures with that outfit on isn't helping his addictions. Unless it wasn't him but it looked like him.

I never did that, you must have me mistaken for someone else.

First of all, all the fetishes that I have remain in my head, I don't bring them into the real world.

The main reason why I have never had a girlfriend is because I have always been afraid that I would try to make my fantasies into a reality if I had the opportunity, and also, like I said, because of the porn, it affected the way that I acted around women and made me more beta.

The time where I had the most self confidence around women was back in December 2016 to February 2017 because that is when I had not watched porn or masturbated in such a long time that my mind was no longer clouded by my submissive femdom fantasies. So, I was confident enough to talk with women but unable to progress towards sex because I didn't know how to do it at the time, I know that now but I have lost what I had gained from Nofap and I have never managed to reach more than 1 week of Nofap since then because I never attempted it again. I plan to change that now.

 

[LipstickAlley]

Yes JFL. Didn't realize it was edited. What happened to that thread?

idk it was probably taken down

 

[randomuser2407]

So what's with the BDSM thing?

BDSM is a very broad subject. It is not limited to just the bondage category.

My main point is that the femdom part of BDSM is extremely detrimental to men's self esteem and men's self worth and it makes them want to stay weak, to stay submissive and to stay in the losing position.

The problem is that most women are submissive, and even those who are dominant are also submissive for the most part. So, when a man submits to a woman and she is able to dominate him, she will seek out a dominant man on the side to satisfy her feminine urges to submit to a strong dominant man. This is what the black pill and red pill describe as Dual Mating Strategy.

Femdom porn teaches men to be betas while maledom porn teaches men to be alphas. But, if you have low self worth and low self esteem, you will identify so much more with the femdom porn than the maledom porn, and when that happens, you are stuck with that fetish which makes you into a beta male, whether you want to or not.

And I believe that the only way to fix that is to, not only do nofap but also improve your self esteem and your self worth by working on your looks and your passions. This is why I call this combining the black pill with the red pill because it takes into account both looks and mindset, which should, ultimately fix the problem.

However, sadly, it is only a theory because I have never achieved the goal that I am talking about. I have now changed this thread's category to show that.

 

[Deleted member 14138]

BDSM is a very broad subject. It is not limited to just the bondage category.

My main point is that the femdom part of BDSM is extremely detrimental to men's self esteem and men's self worth and it makes them want to stay weak, to stay submissive and to stay in the losing position.

The problem is that most women are submissive, and even those who are dominant are also submissive for the most part. So, when a man submits to a woman and she is able to dominate him, she will seek out a dominant man on the side to satisfy her feminine urges to submit to a strong dominant man. This is what the black pill and red pill describe as Dual Mating Strategy.

Femdom porn teaches men to be betas while maledom porn teaches men to be alphas. But, if you have low self worth and low self esteem, you will identify so much more with the femdom porn than the maledom porn, and when that happens, you are stuck with that fetish which makes you into a beta male, whether you want to or not.

And I believe that the only way to fix that is to, not only do nofap but also improve your self esteem and your self worth by working on your looks and your passions. This is why I call this combining the black pill with the red pill because it takes into account both looks and mindset, which should, ultimately fix the problem.

However, sadly, it is only a theory because I have never achieved the goal that I am talking about.

No, im talking about your Bdsm thing

 

[Deleted member 7725]

idk it was probably taken down

Do you have it saved?

 

[randomuser2407]

No, im talking about your Bdsm thing

What do you mean?

 

[LipstickAlley]

Do you have it saved?

no jfl. I do not have it but Im sure some retard on here probably does or at least has the link to the copingvolcel meme megathread

 

[Deleted member 14138]

What do you mean?

actually. nvm.

 

[randomuser2407]

no jfl. I do not have it but Im sure some retard on here probably does or at least has the link to the copingvolcel meme megathread

Why do you guys have to act like a bunch of Kiwifarms users??

This thread was meant to be serious.

Also, I don't get offended by pictures, so you're wasting your time "Curry Somerhalder"

 

[LipstickAlley]

Why do you guys have to act like a bunch of Kiwifarms users??

This thread was meant to be serious.

Also, I don't get offended by pictures, so you're wasting your time "Curry Somerhalder"

i dont want anyone to post it jfl, I am just saying that someone has it out there.

I even told the other guy to not bring it up and corrected him when he thought it was a real picture

 

[LipstickAlley]

come on man, dont bring that shit up

see?

 

[eyelidcel]

Porn has the ability to create beta fetishes in some men. Fetishes are made from your flaws, from the bad experiences in your past, and from your insecurities.

If you were bullied as a child and unable to defend yourself, you develop insecurities which transform into sexual fantasies that are mainly submissive and beta when you reach puberty, and then porn uses those against you by giving you amazing amounts of pleasure from seeing yourself as a powerless submissive beta male. So, porn can worsen men's low self worth and low self confidence and it can worsen men's beta behaviour by making them want to make their fantasy into a reality. Even after swallowing the red pill and the black pill, you can still be a beta if your sexual desires compel you to act beta around women.

I know because that is what happened to me, because during my childhood I was insecure, I had low self confidence and I suffered from a lot of bullying and rejection most of the time, I ended up fantasizing about being dominated by women and submitting to them, I had femdom fetishes without realizing it, and that was even before I started watching porn. And when I found porn at 17 years old, things only got worse from there, I started with playboy magazines and then into vanilla porn, then bdsm, and then femdom porn. And over the years, I only gained new fetishes, I didn't lose any. If I had never watched porn, I never would have had those fetishes because although I had beta sexual fantasies at the age of 13, they had completely disappeared as I got older, they only came back in full force because of porn, and since then, I have never managed to get rid of them. I have read stories about men who still deal with this in their relationships with women and even those who had lots of hookups never manage to get rid of it.

I even did Nofap for 10 months from November 2016 to September 2017, and when I relapsed, all my fetishes came back. So, what I realized is that Nofap alone cannot fix the problem, because it comes from insecurities and low self esteem.

Here is the problem:

Insecurities and Low Self Esteem -----> You watch Femdom Porn --- > beta fantasies ----> beta behaviour around women ----> women lose respect for you
-----> rejection makes you insecure which makes the problem worse -----> You keep watching femdom porn since you can't get laid

The cycle keeps repeating itself


Here are the steps that I believe are required to fix this addiction to beta fetishes (like femdom):


Step 1) Start Nofap (to stop the beta feedback loop and boost libido at the same time)

Step 2) Build a muscular ripped physique to boost testosterone and to look and feel a lot more masculine and dominant

Step 3) Fix other aspects of your looks that you can change to address all your other insecurities in your physical appearance

Step 4) Develop new passions for skills that you are extremely interested in to gain higher self worth and higher self confidence through self actualization (The goal of this isn't to impress women but to develop a passion that makes you more confident and happier)

Step 5) When you are looksmaxxed, get on Tinder with decent pictures and get laid from that. Do also nightgame and daygame if you have to, to maximize your results.

Step 6) Keep working on yourself and maintaining your looks as much as possible while getting laid more and more, and don't let a woman distract you from achieving your goals (This is what TRP means when they talk about holding frame).


You can do the 4 first steps at the same time and then, in the span of only around 1-2 years at most, as long as you stay consistent, you will be able to get laid, and, by that point, your fetishes should already have been gone a long time ago, because it isn't the sex that fixes the problem, it's everything else.

Just having sex isn't enough to stop being beta, because it doesn't fix your insecurities, low self worth and low self confidence, it just gives you temporary pleasure, it doesn't change you as a person. So, a man who doesn't fix his beta desires who enters a relationship will tend to act very needy and submissive towards the woman, which will make her lose a lot of respect for him and she will no longer want to have sex with him.

I think that a lot of guys on here who have this problem naively believe (like I once did), that if you looksmax and get laid from that, it will fix the biggest problems in your life but the truth is that it won't do anything except give you just temporary sexual satisfaction, leaving you still horny enough to feel like you haven't achieved anything meaningful in the long term.

What I have noticed also is that men who enter into a cuckold relationship with a very slutty wife are doing it because they view themselves as inferior to their partner and inferior to some men, either in penis size, in behaviour (alpha vs beta) or even in looks. So, everything that I am talking about relates back to the black pill, because only the men who are ugly or who have suffered from bad things in the past will suffer from this problem. Most cuckolds are men who would be unable to hookup with other women, even if they wanted to, either because the men are fat, ugly or submissive towards women. And this applies to all other femdom lifestyles that beta males enter into when they choose to make their femdom fantasies come true.

Here's some gold kind stranger!

 

[pizza]

giga cope porn just make me sadistic and bi

 

[randomuser2407]

giga cope porn just make me sadistic and bi

Like I said, it depends on the person. Not everyone will turn into a beta from watching porn. Porn doesn't create beta behaviour in men, it amplifies what is already there to the point where you become addicted, and then it starts to affect the way you act around women without realizing it.

That is why some men can watch porn without being addicted while others are so addicted that when they don't have access to porn, they'll fantasize in their head about it and they will struggle to let go of that addiction, Nofap alone can't fix it, but I believe that if someone in that situation fixes their life instead, it will cure the addiction. It is only a theory though.

 

[RODEBLUR]

Porn has the ability to create beta fetishes in some men. Fetishes are made from your flaws, from the bad experiences in your past, and from your insecurities.

If you were bullied as a child and unable to defend yourself, you develop insecurities which transform into sexual fantasies that are mainly submissive and beta when you reach puberty, and then porn uses those against you by giving you amazing amounts of pleasure from seeing yourself as a powerless submissive beta male. So, porn can worsen men's low self worth and low self confidence and it can worsen men's beta behaviour by making them want to make their fantasy into a reality. Even after swallowing the red pill and the black pill, you can still be a beta if your sexual desires compel you to act beta around women.

I know because that is what happened to me, because during my childhood I was insecure, I had low self confidence and I suffered from a lot of bullying and rejection most of the time, I ended up fantasizing about being dominated by women and submitting to them, I had femdom fetishes without realizing it, and that was even before I started watching porn. And when I found porn at 17 years old, things only got worse from there, I started with playboy magazines and then into vanilla porn, then bdsm, and then femdom porn. And over the years, I only gained new fetishes, I didn't lose any. If I had never watched porn, I never would have had those fetishes because although I had beta sexual fantasies at the age of 13, they had completely disappeared as I got older, they only came back in full force because of porn, and since then, I have never managed to get rid of them. I have read stories about men who still deal with this in their relationships with women and even those who had lots of hookups never manage to get rid of it.

I even did Nofap for 10 months from November 2016 to September 2017, and when I relapsed, all my fetishes came back. So, what I realized is that Nofap alone cannot fix the problem, because it comes from insecurities and low self esteem.

Here is the problem:

Insecurities and Low Self Esteem -----> You watch Femdom Porn --- > beta fantasies ----> beta behaviour around women ----> women lose respect for you
-----> rejection makes you insecure which makes the problem worse -----> You keep watching femdom porn since you can't get laid

The cycle keeps repeating itself


Here are the steps that I believe are required to fix this addiction to beta fetishes (like femdom):


Step 1) Start Nofap (to stop the beta feedback loop and boost libido at the same time)

Step 2) Build a muscular ripped physique to boost testosterone and to look and feel a lot more masculine and dominant

Step 3) Fix other aspects of your looks that you can change to address all your other insecurities in your physical appearance

Step 4) Develop new passions for skills that you are extremely interested in to gain higher self worth and higher self confidence through self actualization (The goal of this isn't to impress women but to develop a passion that makes you more confident and happier)

Step 5) When you are looksmaxxed, get on Tinder with decent pictures and get laid from that. Do also nightgame and daygame if you have to, to maximize your results.

Step 6) Keep working on yourself and maintaining your looks as much as possible while getting laid more and more, and don't let a woman distract you from achieving your goals (This is what TRP means when they talk about holding frame).


You can do the 4 first steps at the same time and then, in the span of only around 1-2 years at most, as long as you stay consistent, you will be able to get laid, and, by that point, your fetishes should already have been gone a long time ago, because it isn't the sex that fixes the problem, it's everything else.

Just having sex isn't enough to stop being beta, because it doesn't fix your insecurities, low self worth and low self confidence, it just gives you temporary pleasure, it doesn't change you as a person. So, a man who doesn't fix his beta desires who enters a relationship will tend to act very needy and submissive towards the woman, which will make her lose a lot of respect for him and she will no longer want to have sex with him.

I think that a lot of guys on here who have this problem naively believe (like I once did), that if you looksmax and get laid from that, it will fix the biggest problems in your life but the truth is that it won't do anything except give you just temporary sexual satisfaction, leaving you still horny enough to feel like you haven't achieved anything meaningful in the long term.

What I have noticed also is that men who enter into a cuckold relationship with a very slutty wife are doing it because they view themselves as inferior to their partner and inferior to some men, either in penis size, in behaviour (alpha vs beta) or even in looks. So, everything that I am talking about relates back to the black pill, because only the men who are ugly or who have suffered from bad things in the past will suffer from this problem. Most cuckolds are men who would be unable to hookup with other women, even if they wanted to, either because the men are fat, ugly or submissive towards women. And this applies to all other femdom lifestyles that beta males enter into when they choose to make their femdom fantasies come true.

oh for fucks sake

another beta bloke peddling this nofap drivel because porn is oh soooo bad


all of you were betas from the very beginning you're not fooling anyone here, keep blaming pixels on a screen and how often you touch your wiener

 

[Deleted member 7044]

porn is cucked and unnatural, we're not supposed so sit behind a screen stroking our cocks to some whore
reminder that the porn industry is owned by Mindgeeks, a jewish organisation

 

[eduardkoopman]

@copingvolcel
you should become an author of books. Either for work, or as a hobby

 

[Deleted member 761]

You are making very good threads

 

[Deleted member 275]

I watched normal porn till the age of ~21yo or something, before I ever got into any type of femdom shit. I also watch gangbangs and a lot of other fetish stuff too. Idk is what it is, you just get more extreme in general to get off. While licking a girl's pussy looks hot in porn, whenever I've had the chance to do it with a girl IRL I always found it uninteresting. Fetishes online don't translate to fetishes IRL neccessairily.

Idk why male fetishes are so shamed. Every girl I have had so far was into being slapped, choked, dominated, bound, thrown around, used, etc. Frankly I have never hit a girl's limit. I started facefucking some one night stands and was thinking this might be too rough, but they never stop you. Could've probably convinced them to do anal too. This is considered normal and accepted, but a man has to be ashamed for any type of sexual desires he has?

I have to treat women as equal IRL, and respect their rights and whatever JFL, but then in bed they just want to get treated like they are being raped with consent. I find it too unnatural in the modern world.

Women treat me like shit IRL in daily life, when I have random casual convo with them they look at me in disgust. But then when I manage to seduce one of them to have sex with me, suddenly I have to turn into this alpha dom chad that takes what he deserves. Idk honestly how people can do this unless they are chad and they never experienced the pure disgust from women like I did.

 

[eduardkoopman]

But then when I manage to seduce one of them to have sex with me,

ime. the woman always choses basically, the man she sleeps with. not the other wy around. The woman are the selectors in general

suddenly I have to turn into this alpha dom chad that takes what he deserves. Idk honestly how people can do this unless they are chad and they never experienced the pure disgust from women like I did.

I never had problem with that. While I am as soy as it gets, in normal daily life. But it always fealt natural to me, to show who is physically stronger and dominate physically, and is the better grapler

 

[Deleted member 14781]

I guess porn reduced my attention span too cause I'm not gonna read all of that

 

[Deleted member 275]

ime. the woman always choses basically, the man she sleeps with. not the other wy around. The woman are the selectors in general

I never had problem with that. While I am as soy as it gets, in normal daily life. But it always fealt natural to me, to show who is physically stronger and dominate physically, and is the better grapler

It might be over at this point then for me with regards to dealing with women. I always get very soy and beta when women get intimate with me. I am actually more confrontational and cocky before I get them into bed, than after. I do love to grapple and strangle women, but I am very bad at giving them orders and moving them into positions I like. Also never tried anything kinky yet like anal, tieing them up, etc. Always very vanilla sex.

Might have to do with my own mother abusing me in my youth, but the reason why is irrelevant at this point since I have to deal with this shit in the present.

It's kinda ironic because I still get into fights with guys my age. I got into a fight one year ago and my friends told me I lighted up like some sort of demon. I still get comments from them till this date that my eyes turned all 'evil' and they didn't really recognize me as the same person anymore. That I was 'ready to kill people'. I threw this guy on the floor and held him there till he submitted because he was pissing me off and that was it basically, didnt even hurt him.
I remember feeling intense rage when I got into that confrontation but never anything I couldnt control at that point so thought it was kinda funny what these ppl thought about me.

I think I come across as dom in my daily interactions, and then turn soy in bed jfl.

 

[eduardkoopman]

It might be over at this point then for me with regards to dealing with women. I always get very soy and beta when women get intimate with me. I am actually more confrontational and cocky before I get them into bed, than after. I do love to grapple and strangle women, but I am very bad at giving them orders and moving them into positions I like. Also never tried anything kinky yet like anal, tieing them up, etc. Always very vanilla sex.

Might have to do with my own mother abusing me in my youth, but the reason why is irrelevant at this point since I have to deal with this shit in the present.

It's kinda ironic because I still get into fights with guys my age. I got into a fight one year ago and my friends told me I lighted up like some sort of demon. I still get comments from them till this date that my eyes turned all 'evil' and they didn't really recognize me as the same person anymore. That I was 'ready to kill people'. I threw this guy on the floor and held him there till he submitted because he was pissing me off and that was it basically, didnt even hurt him.
I remember feeling intense rage when I got into that confrontation but never anything I couldnt control at that point so thought it was kinda funny what these ppl thought about me.

I think I come across as dom in my daily interactions, and then turn soy in bed jfl.

cool story.
i'm kinda opposite-ish. I come across GIGA soy in daily interactions. But in the bed, my brain activity goes "off"; and I'm feeling and instinct only.

 

[Deleted member 14274]

Porn has the ability to create beta fetishes in some men. Fetishes are made from your flaws, from the bad experiences in your past, and from your insecurities.

If you were bullied as a child and unable to defend yourself, you develop insecurities which transform into sexual fantasies that are mainly submissive and beta when you reach puberty, and then porn uses those against you by giving you amazing amounts of pleasure from seeing yourself as a powerless submissive beta male. So, porn can worsen men's low self worth and low self confidence and it can worsen men's beta behaviour by making them want to make their fantasy into a reality. Even after swallowing the red pill and the black pill, you can still be a beta if your sexual desires compel you to act beta around women.

I know because that is what happened to me, because during my childhood I was insecure, I had low self confidence and I suffered from a lot of bullying and rejection most of the time, I ended up fantasizing about being dominated by women and submitting to them, I had femdom fetishes without realizing it, and that was even before I started watching porn. And when I found porn at 17 years old, things only got worse from there, I started with playboy magazines and then into vanilla porn, then bdsm, and then femdom porn. And over the years, I only gained new fetishes, I didn't lose any. If I had never watched porn, I never would have had those fetishes because although I had beta sexual fantasies at the age of 13, they had completely disappeared as I got older, they only came back in full force because of porn, and since then, I have never managed to get rid of them. I have read stories about men who still deal with this in their relationships with women and even those who had lots of hookups never manage to get rid of it.

I even did Nofap for 10 months from November 2016 to September 2017, and when I relapsed, all my fetishes came back. So, what I realized is that Nofap alone cannot fix the problem, because it comes from insecurities and low self esteem.

Here is the problem:

Insecurities and Low Self Esteem -----> You watch Femdom Porn --- > beta fantasies ----> beta behaviour around women ----> women lose respect for you
-----> rejection makes you insecure which makes the problem worse -----> You keep watching femdom porn since you can't get laid

The cycle keeps repeating itself


Here are the steps that I believe are required to fix this addiction to beta fetishes (like femdom):


Step 1) Start Nofap (to stop the beta feedback loop and boost libido at the same time)

Step 2) Build a muscular ripped physique to boost testosterone and to look and feel a lot more masculine and dominant

Step 3) Fix other aspects of your looks that you can change to address all your other insecurities in your physical appearance

Step 4) Develop new passions for skills that you are extremely interested in to gain higher self worth and higher self confidence through self actualization (The goal of this isn't to impress women but to develop a passion that makes you more confident and happier)

Step 5) When you are looksmaxxed, get on Tinder with decent pictures and get laid from that. Do also nightgame and daygame if you have to, to maximize your results.

Step 6) Keep working on yourself and maintaining your looks as much as possible while getting laid more and more, and don't let a woman distract you from achieving your goals (This is what TRP means when they talk about holding frame).


You can do the 4 first steps at the same time and then, in the span of only around 1-2 years at most, as long as you stay consistent, you will be able to get laid, and, by that point, your fetishes should already have been gone a long time ago, because it isn't the sex that fixes the problem, it's everything else.

Just having sex isn't enough to stop being beta, because it doesn't fix your insecurities, low self worth and low self confidence, it just gives you temporary pleasure, it doesn't change you as a person. So, a man who doesn't fix his beta desires who enters a relationship will tend to act very needy and submissive towards the woman, which will make her lose a lot of respect for him and she will no longer want to have sex with him.

I think that a lot of guys on here who have this problem naively believe (like I once did), that if you looksmax and get laid from that, it will fix the biggest problems in your life but the truth is that it won't do anything except give you just temporary sexual satisfaction, leaving you still horny enough to feel like you haven't achieved anything meaningful in the long term.

What I have noticed also is that men who enter into a cuckold relationship with a very slutty wife are doing it because they view themselves as inferior to their partner and inferior to some men, either in penis size, in behaviour (alpha vs beta) or even in looks. So, everything that I am talking about relates back to the black pill, because only the men who are ugly or who have suffered from bad things in the past will suffer from this problem. Most cuckolds are men who would be unable to hookup with other women, even if they wanted to, either because the men are fat, ugly or submissive towards women. And this applies to all other femdom lifestyles that beta males enter into when they choose to make their femdom fantasies come true.

Good post bro, porn is terrible for you. Best medium between nofap and porn is masturbating once per week without porn.

 

[sensen]

nb4 tranny porn means the male has fantasies of dominating other men and making them submissive females against natures wishes.

 

[Acnno]

Good thread

 

[randomuser2407]

I watched normal porn till the age of ~21yo or something, before I ever got into any type of femdom shit. I also watch gangbangs and a lot of other fetish stuff too. Idk is what it is, you just get more extreme in general to get off. While licking a girl's pussy looks hot in porn, whenever I've had the chance to do it with a girl IRL I always found it uninteresting. Fetishes online don't translate to fetishes IRL neccessairily.

Idk why male fetishes are so shamed. Every girl I have had so far was into being slapped, choked, dominated, bound, thrown around, used, etc. Frankly I have never hit a girl's limit. I started facefucking some one night stands and was thinking this might be too rough, but they never stop you. Could've probably convinced them to do anal too. This is considered normal and accepted, but a man has to be ashamed for any type of sexual desires he has?

I have to treat women as equal IRL, and respect their rights and whatever JFL, but then in bed they just want to get treated like they are being raped with consent. I find it too unnatural in the modern world.

Women treat me like shit IRL in daily life, when I have random casual convo with them they look at me in disgust. But then when I manage to seduce one of them to have sex with me, suddenly I have to turn into this alpha dom chad that takes what he deserves. Idk honestly how people can do this unless they are chad and they never experienced the pure disgust from women like I did.

Looksmaxxing is the only way to gain women's respect.

The main problem that guys have on here when trying to looksmax is that they focus on the wrong things.

Here is my complete Looksmaxxing Guide, which will work for the vast majority of men:

First, you need to fix the basics:

Wash your hair and your body every day,
Get haircuts often,
Brush your teeth 1-3 times per day and get them whitened by a dentist
Don't have bad breath,
Don't wear the same clothes all the time
Keep your beard well groomed (no patchy beard).

The first priority should be a surgery and braces for those who have a big genetic deformity to fix in their face.
Those who have an underbite or a recessed jaw will benefit a lot from a jaw surgery.
Those who have a very big nose for the size of their face will benefit a lot from a rhinoplasty.
Aesthetic eye surgeries are a waste of money for young people, except for those who have something like thyroid eye disease
(a rare condition that causes bulging eyes)
Just make sure you really need one because if you do it just to fix a minor imperfection, you will waste thousands on something that won't ascend you.

The second priority should be to establish a skin care routine, the best non biased advice can be found on the sidebar of this subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/SkincareAddiction/ and on youtube, just avoid sponsored channels like Hyram who are paid to recommend specific products that don't necessarily work for everyone and tend to be too expensive anyways.

You only need 3 products: 1) A Cleanser, 2) A Moisturizer and 3) A Sunscreen.

If you have acne, you can cure it with a Treatment product that you use right after the cleanser and before the moisturizer.

The third priority should be to establish a training routine where you can build muscle while having nutrition that minimizes fat gain as much as possible, either a 10% caloric surplus or maintenance calories.
The fourth priority should be your hairstyle.
The fifth priority should be your style of clothing, shoes and accessories.

Honestly, if you address all of these things, within 1 year, you could reach a point where you become very attractive to women no matter your height, because most men don't care about any of these things, they neglect everything to instead focus on Reddit, Youtube, Video Games, Movies, TV Shows, Anime or other time wasting activities that don't help them to succeed with women.

If your main focus is looksmaxxing and you do it right, you will reach a point where women respect you and where Tinder is easy and getting laid is no longer a challenge.

Nobody needs to work on their social skills or their self confidence except if they have body image issues even after having looksmaxxed, but even then, a mental health professional can help with that problem. So when normies tell you to work on your personality or your listening skills, don't listen to their bad advice. Focus on looksmaxxing, work hard and you will achieve your goals, I guarantee it.

 

[randomuser2407]

I watched normal porn till the age of ~21yo or something, before I ever got into any type of femdom shit. I also watch gangbangs and a lot of other fetish stuff too. Idk is what it is, you just get more extreme in general to get off. While licking a girl's pussy looks hot in porn, whenever I've had the chance to do it with a girl IRL I always found it uninteresting. Fetishes online don't translate to fetishes IRL neccessairily.

Idk why male fetishes are so shamed. Every girl I have had so far was into being slapped, choked, dominated, bound, thrown around, used, etc. Frankly I have never hit a girl's limit. I started facefucking some one night stands and was thinking this might be too rough, but they never stop you. Could've probably convinced them to do anal too. This is considered normal and accepted, but a man has to be ashamed for any type of sexual desires he has?

I have to treat women as equal IRL, and respect their rights and whatever JFL, but then in bed they just want to get treated like they are being raped with consent. I find it too unnatural in the modern world.

Women treat me like shit IRL in daily life, when I have random casual convo with them they look at me in disgust. But then when I manage to seduce one of them to have sex with me, suddenly I have to turn into this alpha dom chad that takes what he deserves. Idk honestly how people can do this unless they are chad and they never experienced the pure disgust from women like I did.

Personally, the porn that I look at has nothing to do with how I would act in real life, because in real life, I act in a much more masculine way than when I am all alone in my room in front of a screen.

Fetishes aren't a problem as long as they are real. The problem with porn is that it creates false fetishes that can ruin relationships by making you do things that you never would have done, and it can cause so much shame in you.

The problem is not that you need to be alpha all the time, but you have to make sure that what you like in porn is something that you would enjoy in real life. To achieve this, you have to experiment a lot with real women and push them to the point where they are willing to make all your fetishes come true and it is only then that you will know if what you saw in porn is what you're really into. If you never try because you're too afraid of not liking it, you will never know the truth and the porn will always hold power over you.

The main subject of my thread is that if you have no real life experiences with what you see in porn, then you won't be able to know what's real and what isn't so you won't know your true likes and dislikes.

It's not that male fetishes are shamed, only femdom fetishes are shamed and that's because it is a role reversal since it puts the woman in a dominant role and the man in a submissive role. This is bad because, as we all know, women use a dual mating strategy where they will submit to the alpha and give him lots of sex while they will dominate the beta and give him little to no sex. This is a very real thing in relationships. Lots of men don't fit into either category because they have an equal relationship so they experience neither of those things, they don't get dominated and they don't dominate. But if you have femdom fetishes, there is a very high risk that you will submit to your future girlfriend so much that you will become the beta in her dual mating strategy, she will respect you less, and you will eventually become a cuckold, possibly even voluntarily.


For a long time, I have been asking myself many questions about femdom fetishes and I have found many different answers and I don't know which ones are true and which ones are false. I don't know if femdom fetishes automatically mean you are destined to be a submissive cuckold, or if they are just a fantasy caused by porn. By the way, I'm not saying that I want to be cucked, but if a man is submissive to his girlfriend, there is a very high chance that he will get cucked eventually if his girlfriend has maledom fetishes of being dominated by a strong alpha, not all women are like that but most of them are. Also, TRP's idea of holding frame is 100% true, it is not the gap in looks which can cause women to cheat on you but the way you act around them, if you worship them, they will respect you less, and even if you are just fulfilling a fetish, this will still happen so men who choose this path can't expect to be treated the same way as normal men who treat women as equals or who dominate women.

The problem is that almost nobody talks about this online. And when I say it leads to being a beta male, I mean sexually and within the relationship but through a different definition than in the manosphere.
In the manosphere, being a beta male means to have low self confidence and to act in the opposite way that you want due to insecurity and low self confidence, but it is not the same as being submissive to women on purpose while being confident.

Men who have femdom fetishes have a desire to willingly submit to women in a confident manner due to a sexual fantasy.
(Acts like a normal guy but has strong sexual urges that make him want to act submissive in certain situations to fulfill a fantasy which may or may not make him happier).

Beta male behavior causes in men a desire to unwillingly submit to women in an insecure manner due to a fear of being rejected.
(Texting too much, paying for everything, afraid to take the lead, is too selfless, insecure around women)

I constantly ask myself whether or not women can tell the difference between betas and those who have femdom fetishes and if women will treat them differently.
AND
I constantly ask myself if fulfilling the femdom fantasy (by submitting to women IRL) will feel as good as femdom porn, or if I will regret it.
AND
I constantly ask myself if it is possible to get replace my desire to submit to women with a desire to dominate women instead, simply by improving my looks, my financial situation and my social circles, and if fixing that problem will make me happier or not.


PS: The reason why I wrote another essay is because that is not a subject that I can describe in only a few words, it is a burden that I have had to deal with since the beginning of puberty, and I have never managed to get rid of it, my libido seems attached to it, and I have so many femdom fetishes (not just one) and my main fears are about the possible outcomes that could happen from making my fantasy a reality. The only thing that I think could fix this fantasy is self improvement but I don't even know if it will fix things.

It is not that I cannot be alpha or that I am beta, but this desire makes it very difficult for me to act alpha because some alpha behaviours just don't turn me on so it will feel extremely weird and unnatural, not because of insecurity but because of sexual tastes. And I don't know enough about the subject to draw an exact conclusion so all of this is mainly speculation, some of which could be true and other things could be false. I think that only real actions could give me the answers that I am looking for. I made this thread so that other people who deal with the same problem will know that they are not alone in this, and as I gain more real life experience related to the subject, I will be able to draw a conclusion, which I will finally add to this thread.

This is the scientific method after all, you first make a theory, then experiment and then you can draw a conclusion from the results.

 

[studiocel]

Cuck fetish existed way before internet porn. Porn dousnt create cucks but just enables them.

 

[randomuser2407]

Cuck fetish existed way before internet porn. Porn dousnt create cucks but just enables them.

No, you can like a porn scene that you wouldn't like in real life and this is extremely dangerous because it can lead you to waste hours on porn that is extremely pleasing instead of trying to succeed with real women.

Porn is bad only in the sense that it robs you of your sex drive and uses it on things that are so extreme that you wouldn't even do them in real life. So, you're better off doing productive things than jerking off to porn. Masturbation itself isn't so bad if your sex drive is too strong.
Personally, I have found that ever since I started training hard in the gym for 3 times per week with full body workouts, my urges are much easier to control, and it's not like I don't have a libido, but I have managed to focus my energy on productive things instead.

My goal now is to actually get laid with real women, and for that I need to fix skin problems and acquire a muscular ripped physique and succeed in school, because men who have a good career are seen by women as being more attractive partners and it also helps with self confidence.

 

[garfyld]

Porn decreases dht receptors what sucks

 

[eduardkoopman]

My goal now is to actually get laid with real women,

Do you aim to get there with ONS/short term stuff. Or trhough LTR. Or both
I feel I approach a rndom lay differently; than when aiming for LTR. Although women usually set the parameters of wht type of thing they are up fro (with me), and I can see if I wanna join along or not. Women hold most of the power in this initial stages, for sure

and for that I need to fix skin problems and acquire a muscular ripped physique

natty gymming = g=kinda brutals I notice.
U're natty?
if not natty, any advice on what juiy stuff is taking?

and succeed in school,

depends on location in world. how much it matters imo

because men who have a good career are seen by women as being more attractive partners

LTR context, yeah

 

[eduardkoopman]

Porn decreases dht receptors what sucks

dht = hairloss. right.

 

[Lars2210]

Incoming blackpill

It doesn’t matter if you are dominant/submissive in bed. Just don’t be a cuck irl & be good looking. Looks literally dictates who dominates in a relationship.

 

[Lars2210]

Porn decreases dht receptors what sucks

Brb dumping 10 grams of RU & downloading a brazzers hard drive