How to get Lefort 2/3 for medical reasons?

[ropemax]

Well I have severe nasomaxillary hypoplasia

that's not for me to judge, especially without a pic

Why is fracturing the nasal bones a huge risk? Don't they do it in rhino?

I meant the whole complex - nasal bones, medial-anterior orbital walls, orbital floor, inferior orbital rims, posterior maxilla, pterygoid plates, the whole package

This is the riskiest variation of Le Fort. The mortality rate is 11.6%

Involvement of the orbit seen in such fractures may lead to the development of complications including extra-ocular muscle injury, orbital hematoma, globe rupture or impingement, and optic nerve damage. Furthermore, damage to the medial maxillary buttress has been associated with epistaxis, cerebral spinal fluid (CSF) rhinorrhea, lacrimal duct and sac injury, medial canthal tendon injury, and sinus drainage obstruction

 

[Deleted member 16380]

Well I have severe nasomaxillary hypoplasia. Why is fracturing the nasal bones a huge risk? Don't they do it in rhino?

Have no idea about LeFort, but in Rhino, they SHAVE OFF THE EDGES of the bone. Not breaking it in any form.

 

[AtlasTH]

So now obviously, there's mentalcel normies on here (99% of user population) who want to get lefort 3 just so they can be Chad, but how would someone who is clinically gigarecessed get it? I have like 10mm maxillary hypoplasia and look extremely similar to these cases:

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I'm just as recessed as all of them, yet my local maxfacs only want to do lefort 1 on me. Where can I find a maxfac who does medical surgeries on people with severe midface hypoplasia out of pocket for syndromic people? What's the criteria to be accepted? Shouldn't every city have a few guys who do these surgeries for people with Crouzon's and other syndromes?

I don't know what people talking about, most of top max fax do lefort 3 for cosmetic reason.

 

[AtlasTH]

Most suregon who actually know how to do lefort 3 will give you lefort 3 easily if you have money, the doctor who refused to give you lefort 3 it's not because they are risky but they mostly don't know how to do it too, if they recommend you lefort 3 they won't get money because they only can do lf1


plus make sure it's lefort 3 osteotomy not lefort 3 distraction osteogenisis


Those scary pic people posted is lefort 3 distraction osteogenisis

Lefort 3 risk aren't that risky compared to lefort 1 lol

 

[AtlasTH]

Are you that recessed?

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No? That's what i thought. Dream on you fucking tool. Tell you what, if you're recessed enough for even a Le Fort II, you WILL get it no questions asked. You said no one wants to give you one. Conclusion? You're a BDD ridden permaincel with a distorted view of reality.

Moon is actually releasing a case study on it this year. Truly I say to you, there will come a day when you will be on your knees thanking me like an abused dog for bringing to you the N2 salvation. Until then, suck my dick and balls.

Lol, don't spread retarded information if you actually don't know what you are talking about.

those guy did lefort 3 distraction osteogenisis plus lefort 2 you recommend are associated with death unlike lefort 3 and lefort 1

 

[AtlasTH]

If you think about it yourself critically, no legit surgeon will do it on you.

Why? Because there is a significant risk of death and disability, and general dissatisfaction with the outcome of such a procedure.

This leaves you only the surgeons in less-regulated countries, like india, Pakistan, Turkey, Africa, etc.

And I do not get it, LeForte 1 is already fucking invasive. Why do you need MORE? Like cannot you do an upper jaw advancement, and then just fillers for your cheekbones? Why do you need to break your skull for cheekbones?

IMO you ofc do what you do... but Any LeForte is seriously retarded... Unless you look like this:

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This is also lefort 3 distraction osteogenisis

 

[ropemax]

those guy did lefort 3 distraction osteogenisis

Who is "those guys"

lefort 2 you recommend

Tell me where exactly i recommended it. You're a fucking joke lightbluecel

 

[AtlasTH]

The issue is I don't want to pay $100k out of pocket for lefort 3 when I'm just as recessed as people who get it for free. I am genuinely interested in what the criteria is to be qualified as a lefort 3 medical patient.

lmao, there is no free lefort 3 even if you are deformed.

It's like 70k for distraction osteogenisis.

I have Instagram of the real deformed girls. Government don't pay for it

 

[AtlasTH]

Who is "those guys"



Tell me where exactly i recommended it. You're a fucking joke lightbluecel

"you're only gonna go as far as Le Fort 2 because the last tier isn't fucking suited for aesthetic purposes"


Do people feel like they have to show off that they knowledge even they do nothing about it, lol.

Just do a little research on google.

 

[Deleted member 3946]

Yes, but it doesn't matter if your face is ugly. I'm one of the only actual incels here along with @DivineBeing . Everyone else is a mentalcel normie that needs to hit the gym and get a haircut or a Chad with BDD. Nobody can even relate to my experiences on here. Everyone is bluepilled and lives in a completely different reality.

Ye fucking DivineBeing being 5.5-5.75 psl if hes not larping is the actual incel, and rest of us are mentalcels. Im not sure if you 2 are running an act or if you are medically insane at this point

 

[ropemax]

"you're only gonna go as far as Le Fort 2 because the last tier isn't fucking suited for aesthetic purposes"

That sounds to you like i fucking recommended it? It's a fact. You're braindead.

Do people feel like they have to show off that they knowledge even they do nothing about it, lol.

Keep barking for me you abused dog, everything i said is factual. You're just some fucking lightbluecel who came out of nowhere and starts attacking people to feel superior. You don't know shit, a skull in your avi doesn't cut it.

 

[AtlasTH]

That sounds to you like i fucking recommended it? It's a fact. You're braindead.

Keep barking for me you abused dog, everything i said is factual. You're just some fucking lightbluecel who came out of nowhere and starts attacking people to feel superior. You don't know shit, a skull in your avi doesn't cut it.

Are you that retarded? I just said that lefort 2 are associated with death unlike lefort 3 and lefort 1

if I have to be stupid as you, I would kill myself.

 

[DivineBeing]

Ye fucking DivineBeing being 5.5-5.75 psl if hes not larping is the actual incel, and rest of us are mentalcels. Im not sure if you 2 are running an act or if you are medically insane at this point

you're a medically insane paranoid schizophrenic if you think being 5'10 and NW2 doesnt turn you into an incel immediatly

 

[ropemax]

Are you that retarded? I just said that lefort 2 are associated with death unlike lefort 3 and lefort 1

I already commented about it. Did you even read the fucking thread or do your last 3 braincells cannot work overtime?

 

[AtlasTH]

I already commented about it. Did you even read the fucking thread or do your last 3 braincells cannot work overtime?

"you gotta understand that in the real world, you're only gonna go as far as Le Fort 2 because the last tier isn't fucking suited for aesthetic purposes. You say you need a Le Fort 2,"


Lol, you literally said lefort 2 suit him the best for aesthetic purpose when it's associated with death


Holy shit, kill yourself please I never met anyone stupid as you in my entire life

 

[UglyGod360]

What are the chances of me becoming a certified maxfac (going to dental and medical school and all that bs) and performing lefort 3 on deformedcels and incels and volcels who have slightly recessed maxilla but feel like they need a lefort 3 anyway, taking into account I have failing grades in highschool. What are the chances? My chances are probably improbable but I would like to know the percentage.

There's a huge market for looks and I feel like offering cosmetic surgery (lf3s included) is very lucrative especially if it's by a surgeon with good credentials. @thecel @PubertyMaxxer @RealSurgerymax

 

[ropemax]

Lol, you literally said lefort 2 suit him the best for aesthetic purpose when it's associated with death

Not buying your larp. In case you're actually as severely retarded as you seem, this is not a place where you can get help

 

[AtlasTH]

Not buying your larp. In case you're actually as severely retarded as you seem, this is not a place where you can get help

how it's a larp? I said google it holy fuckkkk are youuu that stupid oh my god I'm fucking dying how can human be that stupid

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

how it's a larp? I said google it holy fuckkkk are youuu that stupid oh my god I'm fucking dying how can human be that stupid

Don't mind ropemax, I got in a debate over worldwide height with him and he couldn't be bothered to figure out a chart. He's not suited for rigorous scientific research and will drain you like an overconfident mid-tier iq normie.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

that's not for me to judge, especially without a pic

I meant the whole complex - nasal bones, medial-anterior orbital walls, orbital floor, inferior orbital rims, posterior maxilla, pterygoid plates, the whole package

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This is the riskiest variation of Le Fort. The mortality rate is 11.6%

Involvement of the orbit seen in such fractures may lead to the development of complications including extra-ocular muscle injury, orbital hematoma, globe rupture or impingement, and optic nerve damage. Furthermore, damage to the medial maxillary buttress has been associated with epistaxis, cerebral spinal fluid (CSF) rhinorrhea, lacrimal duct and sac injury, medial canthal tendon injury, and sinus drainage obstruction

That's a study about traumatic fractures, not controlled fractures in surgical settings lmfao. Every post you make you sound like more of a retard. Go back to rotting until N2 implants come out and gtfo my thread. You're literally just trying to talk people out of surgery and instead wait decades for a theoretical device. Not everyone is a mentalcel normie like you who wants a Chad maxilla just because you're narcy. I have clinical severe maxillary hypoplasia.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Have no idea about LeFort, but in Rhino, they SHAVE OFF THE EDGES of the bone. Not breaking it in any form.

No, they don't just do that. They also fracture them and reposition them closer together. Otherwise the nose would be flat and wide after dorsal hump shaving.

 

[ropemax]

That's a study about traumatic fractures, not controlled fractures in surgical settings lmfao. Every post you make you sound like more of a retard.

This is still the same type of fracture. Sure, maybe the rate is a little lower with a skilled surgeon but it's still high, that's why no surgeon wants to do it on normies.

Go back to rotting until N2 implants come out and gtfo my thread. You're literally just trying to talk people out of surgery and instead wait decades for a theoretical device.

"Theoretical device"

How can I talk you out of a surgery you're never gonna get? This post like all your others regarding this topic is just a pipedream. You're just jacking off to something that's not gonna happen unless you get it in fucking tunisia.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

This is still the same type of fracture. Sure, maybe the rate is a little lower with a skilled surgeon but it's still high, that's why no surgeon wants to do it on normies.

"Theoretical device"

How can I talk you out of a surgery you're never gonna get? This post like all your others regarding this topic is just a pipedream. You're just jacking off to something that's not gonna happen unless you get it in fucking tunisia.

There's a massive difference between fracturing your skull in a car accident, having massive trauma and bleeding, then waiting hours to get into surgery compared to getting a precise fracture in a controlled surgical setting. The study literally mentions people's eyeballs coming out of place causing nerve damage and trauma. This isn't going to happen in the operation room. Google "midfacial trauma" and go to images if you want to see who the study is referring to.

Yes, it's a theoretical device. Just accept you're a retard and gtfo my thread. You have nothing to contribute.

Bro what are you on about? I'm not a rotting mentally ill normie like you who is like 1mm recessed and narcissistic so wants to be Chad. I've already gotten multiple surgeries and am willing to go through with it if I can find the right surgeon. The guys I posted in OP are the same recession as me and got lefort 2 under medical reasons and I'm simply asking what the criteria are. Instead you hijack my thread with your bullshit when you can't even properly assess a study.

 

[ropemax]

There's a massive difference between fracturing your skull in a car accident, having massive trauma and bleeding, then waiting hours to get into surgery compared to getting a precise fracture in a controlled surgical setting.

This is still the same fracture. Wdym by "precise fracture"? The fracture is the exact same in both cases, that's why it's called a Le Fort 2. The fracture is inherently risky, it's literally called a "floating maxilla" because your whole central midface is mobile. If it wasn't dangerous, maxfacs would capitalize on it and perform it on normies.

Yes, it's a theoretical device.

I already told you it's just a redesigned mini implant that's been in common use since forever. There is absolutely no basis to say that it won't work irl.

Bro what are you on about? I'm not a rotting mentally ill normie like you who is like 1mm recessed and narcissistic so wants to be Chad. I've already gotten multiple surgeries and am willing to go through with it if I can find the right surgeon. The guys I posted in OP are the same recession as me and got lefort 2 under medical reasons and I'm simply asking what the criteria are. Instead you hijack my thread with your bullshit

You'll die a bdd virgin

 

[Deleted member 7725]

This is still the same fracture. Wdym by "precise fracture"? The fracture is the exact same in both cases, that's why it's called a Le Fort 2. The fracture is inherently risky, it's literally called a "floating maxilla" because your whole central midface is mobile. If it wasn't dangerous, maxfacs would capitalize on it and perform it on normies.

I already told you it's just a redesigned mini implant that's been in common use since forever. There is absolutely no basis to say that it won't work irl.

You'll die a bdd virgin

You can't be serious right now. There's a massive difference between a surgeon and his team doing a controlled fracture in the operating room with different measurements to control bleeding and injuries vs your face be smashed against a pole going 60mph and your eyeballs popping out of your face. A lefort 1 is also called a floating maxilla you uneducated cretin. No, most surgeons aren't trained in doing it outside of specialists and it's not worth it for bbdcels like you who want 1-2mm extra projection. Even most class 3 patients don't have significant upper maxillary or nasomaxillary recession. I'm 10mm recessed with maxillary hypoplasia. Stop comparing me to you mentally ill normies who think lefort 3 is a replacement for a haircut and gym membership.

It's never been used on a human before. Therefore, it's theoretical.

Nice ad hominem when you get exposed for not even reading a study that you link. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[StrangerDanger]

ya that's it's main purpose. About 40 K and swelling lasts months. There's a sticky about it at the top of this forum btw.

How did you decide to go through with OBO
also did you consider MLF3 with Dr Sinn? Apparently he can increase the IPD up to 6mm through soft tissue manipulation as he augments the zygos/lateral orbital

 

[ropemax]

You can't be serious right now. There's a massive difference between a surgeon and his team doing a controlled fracture in the operating room with different measurements to control bleeding and injuries vs your face be smashed against a pole going 60mph and your eyeballs popping out of your face.

That's why i said the rate is lower with a surgeon. Are you even listening? Still, there is a reason why no one wants to do it, it's just too much of a risk, admit it buddy.

A lefort 1 is also called a floating maxilla you uneducated cretin

Floating palate* YOU UNEDUCATED ABUSED KIKE DOG

It's never been used on a human before.

Case study will be published this year. Kiss my cock

Nice ad hominem when you get exposed for not even reading a study that you link. You don't know what you're talking about.

"Exposed"

Keep hunting for your "aesthetic" le fort 3. Sweet dreams my prince. >10k posts under your belt and you're thick as a brick

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

How did you decide to go through with OBO
also did you consider MLF3 with Dr Sinn? Apparently he can increase the IPD up to 6mm through soft tissue manipulation as he augments the zygos/lateral orbital

Doc seemed trustworthy and unlikely to mess up. I contacted Sinn's office and they said he doesn't do eye spacing shit anymore. Him and Wolfe have one foot in retirement and the other in the grave.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

That's why i said the rate is lower with a surgeon. Are you even listening? Still, there is a reason why no one wants to do it, it's just too much of a risk, admit it buddy.

Floating palate* YOU UNEDUCATED ABUSED KIKE DOG

Case study will be published this year. Kiss my cock

"Exposed"

Keep hunting for your "aesthetic" le fort 3. Sweet dreams my prince. >10k posts under your belt and you're thick as a brick

So then why link a study that only discusses the risks of lefort 2 in traumas?

Wow, simple mistake. They only cut a few mm above that so idk why you mention it as if it makes a difference. Your lower maxilla is still disconnected which was your point.

We will see.

Lefort 2 is fine too. No, my post literally says medical reasons.

You're the one coping with a theoretical device while I'm actually getting surgeries. Even if the device comes out, you won't have the money to get it anyways.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Need to have a craniofacial syndrome. It’s possible you could have one.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Need to have a craniofacial syndrome. It’s possible you could have one.

What syndrome do the people I posted in OP have? It just says "maxillary hypoplasia" in their case studies.

 

[AtlasTH]

Need to have a craniofacial syndrome. It’s possible you could have one.

I don't have any syndrome but this is my maxilla, I'm just unlucky.

 

[AtlasTH]

I'm planning to do lefort 3 when I turn 18

 

[Titbot]

@LooksOverAll this is what you need to simulate a lefort 3

1) trimax
2) tripod osteonomy
3) supras and Infra , frontal bone implant

 

[Deleted member 7725]

I'm planning to do lefort 3 when I turn 18

My maxilla is worse than yours lmfao.

 

[AtlasTH]

@Looksoverall


Is your maxilla recessed as mine?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

@LooksOverAll this is what you need to simulate a lefort 3

1) trimax
2) tripod osteonomy
3) supras and Infra , frontal bone implant

I already know how to simulate it. I want to get it for medical reasons since I'm actually clinically recessed. Also how tf would supra, frontal bone, bsso, and genio be part of a lefort 3?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

@Looksoverall


Is your maxilla recessed as mine?

Worse.

 

[AtlasTH]

My maxilla is worse than yours lmfao.

Lol, no ways, my paranasal areas is more recessed then every guy on the post.

 

[Titbot]

I already know how to simulate it. I want to get it for medical reasons since I'm actually clinically recessed. Also how tf would supra, frontal bone, bsso, and genio be part of a lefort 3?

The supra hit the lefort 3 region, when you bring your face forward you also gonna have to bring the frontal bone forward.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Lol, no ways, my paranasal areas is more recessed then every guy on the post.

No, I guarantee I am more recessed than you.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

The supra hit the lefort 3 region, when you bring your face forward you also gonna have to bring the frontal bone forward.

What if your frontal bone and mandible are already normal? Only the midface is severely recessed.

 

[Titbot]

What if your frontal bone and mandible are already normal? Only the midface is severely recessed.

Then you don’t need frontal bone

 

[ropemax]

So then why link a study that only discusses the risks of lefort 2 in traumas?

Because i couldn't find one in surgical settings. Close enough though since it's still the same fracture pattern.

Wow, simple mistake. They only cut a few mm above that so idk why you mention it as if it makes a difference. Your lower maxilla is still disconnected which was your point.

Your whole central midface is disconnected. Do you really think that le fort 2 area isn't that different from a 1? Can't you see the difference?

Lefort 2 is fine too. No, my post literally says medical reasons.

Self diagnosed

You're the one coping with a theoretical device while I'm actually getting surgeries. Even if the device comes out, you won't have the money to get it anyways

Yes because an orthodontic implant with a plastic facemask is surely gonna cost $20k. Whatever man, you're still gonna be here in a year "in the process of getting a surgery". Good luck.

 

[Deleted member 12002]

So now obviously, there's mentalcel normies on here (99% of user population) who want to get lefort 3 just so they can be Chad, but how would someone who is clinically gigarecessed get it? I have like 10mm maxillary hypoplasia and look extremely similar to these cases:

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I'm just as recessed as all of them, yet my local maxfacs only want to do lefort 1 on me. Where can I find a maxfac who does medical surgeries on people with severe midface hypoplasia out of pocket for syndromic people? What's the criteria to be accepted? Shouldn't every city have a few guys who do these surgeries for people with Crouzon's and other syndromes?

Don't get it at all. It won't change the reception you get from life.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

H

I don't have any syndrome but this is my maxilla, I'm just unlucky.


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How do you know? Have you been assessed by a dysmorphologist or had genetic testing?

 

[Titbot]

H

How do you know? Have you been assessed by a dysmorphologist or had genetic testing?

Do you know giant impants?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Because i couldn't find one in surgical settings. Close enough though since it's still the same fracture pattern.

Your whole central midface is disconnected. Do you really think that le fort 2 area isn't that different from a 1? Can't you see the difference?

Self diagnosed

Yes because an orthodontic implant with a plastic facemask is surely gonna cost $20k. Whatever man, you're still gonna be here in a year "in the process of getting a surgery". Good luck.

There's a massive difference between severe trauma and surgical settings. It's not "close enough".

 

[ropemax]

There's a massive difference between severe trauma and surgical settings. It's not "close enough".

ok

 

[Deleted member 7725]

H

How do you know? Have you been assessed by a dysmorphologist or had genetic testing?

What would you even ask for? Hey doc, do I have a syndrome?