How to start YOUR First Cycle for Late Teens/Young Adults [EASY TO START + PRICES]

[GermanSubmarine]

Perfect time to ascend, HGH has shown to skill grow clavicles into your 20's.

Omg I need bonegrowth BAD. I had early puberty and ended up recessed.
Pretty scared to fuck my self up by ogermaxxing my already fucked frame.

 

[Faustum]

Omg I need bonegrowth BAD. I had early puberty and ended up recessed.
Pretty scared to fuck my self up by ogermaxxing my already fucked frame.

Son do you know how much HGH you'd have to push to develop acromegaly?

JFL please, do 4-6 IU's daily for 12 months.

 

[money$]

Thank you for the info.

I’m about to start a cycle. How do you make it so that you can come off for a few days? I’ve got a 5 day trip that I can’t avoid.

 

[Faustum]

Thank you for the info.

I’m about to start a cycle. How do you make it so that you can come off for a few days? I’ve got a 5 day trip that I can’t avoid.

Don't start till after the trip.

Unless the trip is far away? You'll live 5 days if you do a larger dose with an ester like Test Cyp, it last longer.

 

[money$]

Yeah, the trip is in 2 months.

 

[Faustum]

Yeah, the trip is in 2 months.

Yeah you'll be fine for 5 days.

It's for things like my planned trip to Germany where it becomes complicated. Getting through customs with Testosterone is tough especially in Europe.

But a vial up the asshole never hurt anyone.

 

[GermanSubmarine]

Son do you know how much HGH you'd have to push to develop acromegaly?

JFL please, do 4-6 IU's daily for 12 months.

I'm talking about the sides of test. Bad skin quality, acne scars, gyno etc.
I was actually gymcelling for 2 years before stopping last year, so I've got some general knowledge.
In my situation supra test and hgh would make a lot of sense, but I don't have money rn cause I'm still in school so thats one problem.
Another thing is my frame: I have a pretty blocky Torso and not the clavicals to make a lot of muscle look good on it.

This was my physique at 17 after a year of actual training (bulk to 78kg and cut to 71kg).
I always thought about hopping on because of my manlet statue but then again, I wouldn't have the knowledge to do it save nor the balls to run supra doses...
But nice thread, I screenshoted the lists of tests I'd have to take to be save.
Maybe I'll actually hop on in a year or 2...
Gonna tag you, if I do

 

[Faustum]

I'm talking about the sides of test. Bad skin quality, acne scars, gyno etc.
I was actually gymcelling for 2 years before stopping last year, so I've got some general knowledge.
In my situation supra test and hgh would make a lot of sense, but I don't have money rn cause I'm still in school so thats one problem.
Another thing is my frame: I have a pretty blocky Torso and not the clavicals to make a lot of muscle look good on it.
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This was my physique at 17 after a year of actual training (bulk to 78kg and cut to 71kg).
I always thought about hopping on because of my manlet statue but then again, I wouldn't have the knowledge to do it save nor the balls to run supra doses...
But nice thread, I screenshoted the lists of tests I'd have to take to be save.
Maybe I'll actually hop on in a year or 2...
Gonna tag you, if I do

HGH at supra levels literally grows your claivicles and is one of the few bones that can grow into 20's.

The enemy of your ascension is delay. You will be a different man in 1 year. But if you cannot afford it, I guess there's not much you can do.

Wish you the best of luck, any questions feel free to come back to this thread. I just added Tren to my cycle, I will continue to give insight I obtain to give to you younger guys.

 

[money$]

Ok, I’ll do that.

Can you PM me the source? I’m in the US.

 

[GermanSubmarine]

HGH at supra levels literally grows your claivicles and is one of the few bones that can grow into 20's.

The enemy of your ascension is delay. You will be a different man in 1 year. But if you cannot afford it, I guess there's not much you can do.

Wish you the best of luck, any questions feel free to come back to this thread. I just added Tren to my cycle, I will continue to give insight I obtain to give to you younger guys.

I'll try to get the money in the next months by working. Thx for the support

 

[Faustum]

Ok, I’ll do that.

Can you PM me the source? I’m in the US.

For Testosterone? Body building forums always have a sources section where all the roid heads give their experience with suppliers.

Peptides I do have a source if you want to DM me.

 

[money$]

Got it thank you. I can’t PM yet since it’s a new account.

One more thing. How do I get blood test without my parents knowing? Or is it even necessary?

I’m 15, so I can drive yet.

 

[Faustum]

Got it thank you. I can’t PM yet since it’s a new account.

One more thing. How do I get blood test without my parents knowing? Or is it even necessary?

I’m 15, so I can drive yet.

You can fake symptoms to get a bloodtest.

You can brainstorm with Grok on a good reasoning. For example, your friend at school had Gyno, and it looks bad, and you felt some sensitivity in your nipple and want to get Estrogen and Testosterone checked to make sure you are in healthy range.

 

[money$]

Will do. Do you recommend NOLVA or is AI all you need?

I’ve heard it helps prevent gino. Not sure if it’s any better if you stack it with AI.

 

[Bunnyonroids]

if im doing a year long cycle,is it mandetory to do a cruise phase in beetwen?

No its not mandatory to do a cruise phase but u can blast all u want but its better to cruise

 

[lrqz]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

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“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

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What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

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1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
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HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

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2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

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3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

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4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
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What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
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Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
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Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

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400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
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500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

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What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


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Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

Mirin the high effort

 

[guts000]

No its not mandatory to do a cruise phase but u can blast all u want but its better to cruise

after how long im planning a 6month blast

 

[Faustum]

Will do. Do you recommend NOLVA or is AI all you need?

I’ve heard it helps prevent gino. Not sure if it’s any better if you stack it with AI.

You can do EQ if you want but for me I do Aromasin.

 

[Faustum]

after how long im planning a 6month blast

For your first blast it should be the longest, 6-7 months and then a 4 month cruise.

 

[tayolite]

DM me I'll send you the one everyone on this forum uses.

And they have their purity ratings.

dm hcg

 

[tayolite]

The growth results for HGH can be incredible if taken at very high dosages. There's a dude on here who's on 15 IU's daily.

But to be fair he stole money from his parents to afford it JFL

what's your hgh source, running 500mg test E, 4-6IU hgh , hcg and AI with some ancillaries, thoughts? 19 running this for 6months. need hgh and hcg source

 

[Faustum]

what's your hgh source, running 500mg test E, 4-6IU hgh , hcg and AI with some ancillaries, thoughts? 19 running this for 6months. need hgh and hcg source

Just DM me the source is outta stock is back in stock in 2 weeks

 

[darodiddler]

should i run this at 15? i got arimdix as source for ai IM GHD but dont wanna accdeintly fuck my growth plates how much armidix should i take? im GH PRESCIBED

 

[Faustum]

should i run this at 15? i got arimdix as source for ai IM GHD but dont wanna accdeintly fuck my growth plates how much armidix should i take? im GH PRESCIBED

You are better off running Armidex, you should already be running it anyways if you are prescribed HGH.

Something like Enclo or Clomid is probably better for maximizing Testosterone UNLESS you are able to get bloodtest. If you can, then do 250-325mg a week of Test.

But height matters far more, that should be the focus, and if you have too much estrogen you'll prematurely close the growth plates.

 

[darodiddler]

whic

You are better off running Armidex, you should already be running it anyways if you are prescribed HGH.

Something like Enclo or Clomid is probably better for maximizing Testosterone UNLESS you are able to get bloodtest. If you can, then do 250-325mg a week of Test.

But height matters far more, that should be the focus, and if you have too much estrogen you'll prematurely close the growth plates.

which blood work should i get for those? idk bra also if i run test with no hcg would it permenatly shut of my test production? and no pct too

 

[darodiddler]

You are better off running Armidex, you should already be running it anyways if you are prescribed HGH.

Something like Enclo or Clomid is probably better for maximizing Testosterone UNLESS you are able to get bloodtest. If you can, then do 250-325mg a week of Test.

But height matters far more, that should be the focus, and if you have too much estrogen you'll prematurely close the growth plates.

also my plates are bearly open shouldve taken gh sooner its kinda over idk

 

[Faustum]

whic

which blood work should i get for those? idk bra also if i run test with no hcg would it permenatly shut of my test production? and no pct too

Okay you have to run a PCT if you do plan on getting off. If you don't, it'll take about 10 weeks (at least in my personal experience) to begin to see ball atrophy. hCG is cheap so its a no brainer to take 750 IU's a week.

 

[Faustum]

also my plates are bearly open shouldve taken gh sooner its kinda over idk

In your case this is where FGFR3 inhibitors would be best.

 

[darodiddler]

br

Okay you have to run a PCT if you do plan on getting off. If you don't, it'll take about 10 weeks (at least in my personal experience) to begin to see ball atrophy. hCG is cheap so its a no brainer to take 750 IU's a week.

bro my hcg was 75$ it was not cheap and they didnt even have pct

 

[darodiddler]

In your case this is where FGFR3 inhibitors would be best.

bro its expensive as fuck costs too much i cant afford that im js gona do ai

 

[itsover4rishy]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

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3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

problem
1. money.
2. thats it
spent all my money on 9 months of test and 720iu gh JFL
lowk tho what jobs can i get at 15?

 

[xasg]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OU
View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

---

3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the ful​

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

---

3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


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Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

great thread other than recommended starting dose 300-350mg, 150-250mg to see how you aromatize / respond is more beneficial overall

 

[Faustum]

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bro my hcg was 75$ it was not cheap and they didnt even have pct

$75? You are getting scammed

 

[Faustum]

bro its expensive as fuck costs too much i cant afford that im js gona do ai

Yeah but it works. But do what you can with the resources you have.

Or, obtain more resources.

 

[Faustum]

problem
1. money.
2. thats it
spent all my money on 9 months of test and 720iu gh JFL
lowk tho what jobs can i get at 15?

How much did you pay?

Mine was $420 with discount and last me over half a year.

 

[Faustum]

great thread other than recommended starting dose 300-350mg, 150-250mg to see how you aromatize / respond is more beneficial overall

150-250 is still considered TRT, we want Supra.

You can see aromatiziation on any of those amounts, it's pretty easy to counter.

I say that has someone who is a super aromatizer, and had 440 E2 lol

 

[xasg]

150-250 is still considered TRT, we want Supra.

You can see aromatiziation on any of those amounts, it's pretty easy to counter.

I say that has someone who is a super aromatizer, and had 440 E2 lol

yeah but your recommending 300-350 to teens bro
everyone responds differently and high test even with an ai doesn’t stop local aromatization near the growth plates , only number estradiol
I’m 15 on 150mg test c weekly no ai waiting 6 weeks to see how I aromatize

 

[darodiddler]

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$75? You are getting scammed

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should i just hop on test with ai and no hcg maybe like at month 4 get it ? its a risk and thats the only source i know other sources are global which shipping costs moe than them

 

[itsover4rishy]

How much did you pay?

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Mine was $420 with discount and last me over half a year.

320£, and i dont have a job. also should i run hcg after running test for 9 months if im satifised with my results?

 

[Faustum]

yeah but your recommending 300-350 to teens bro
everyone responds differently and high test even with an ai doesn’t stop local aromatization near the growth plates , only number estradiol
I’m 15 on 150mg test c weekly no ai waiting 6 weeks to see how I aromatize

I said late teens. Which is referring to 17-18 aka when puberty is basically over.

A younger teen can't get bloodtest to confirm Estrogen numbers, and its a higher risk to have premature growth plate closure which is not worth the risk, since height is the most important metric.

 

[Faustum]

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should i just hop on test with ai and no hcg maybe like at month 4 get it ? its a risk and thats the only source i know other sources are global which shipping costs moe than them

I didn't take hCG for the first 10 weeks, my balls did shrink, and so will yours.

You can wait 10 weeks but hCG is far too cheap to not take it.

 

[Faustum]

320£, and i dont have a job. also should i run hcg after running test for 9 months if im satifised with my results?

Run hCG while on Test, it makes PCT 100x easier and avoids ball atrophy almost entirely.

 

[darodiddler]

I didn't take hCG for the first 10 weeks, my balls did shrink, and so will yours.

You can wait 10 weeks but hCG is far too cheap to not take it.

okay i dont have the hcg problem anymore im just scared of the plates closing from test even with no aromtizng compounds i woul need atest base right?

ore its the growth plates im afraid my growth plates would fuse from the test even with ai from premature closing
and i do can take e2 testshave taken one was 5

and another one in the monring and diffrent clinic was 31 so idk what to do im preety sure dont wanna missout my growth plates fusing im ghd gh prescirbed i could grow alot from that

 

[Faustum]

okay i dont have the hcg problem anymore im just scared of the plates closing from test even with no aromtizng compounds i woul need atest base right?

ore its the growth plates im afraid my growth plates would fuse from the test even with ai from premature closing
and i do can take e2 testshave taken one was 5

and another one in the monring and diffrent clinic was 31

Testosterone doesn't fuse plates, it's Estrogen. Testosterone actually contributes to bone growth, and the pubertal growth spurt that every boy goes through.

 

[darodiddler]

Testosterone doesn't fuse plates, it's Estrogen. Testosterone actually contributes to bone growth, and the pubertal growth spurt that every boy goes through.

okay so what do u recoemnd me doing? ik that its estrogen that does that do u think with ai and test i wont close my g plates? what do u think? i dont wnna risk idk but im preety boneless

 

[Faustum]

okay so what do u recoemnd me doing? ik that its estrogen that does that do u think with ai and test i wont close my g plates? what do u think? i dont wnna risk idk but im preety boneless

You need to LARP Estrogen bloodtest.

You can work with Grok to figure out good symptoms to give for your doctor to give you bloodtest.

A good one I can think off the top of my head is gyno, you can say your nipples have a sensitivity feeling, and your friend at school recently discovered he had gyno as well, and the tissue already had formed so now it's surgical.

You found that Estrogen is the main driver of gyno, and would like a bloodtest to verify.

 

[darodiddler]

You need to LARP Estrogen bloodtest.

You can work with Grok to figure out good symptoms to give for your doctor to give you bloodtest.

A good one I can think off the top of my head is gyno, you can say your nipples have a sensitivity feeling, and your friend at school recently discovered he had gyno as well, and the tissue already had formed so now it's surgical.

You found that Estrogen is the main driver of gyno, and would like a bloodtest to verify.

which blood test? they do not gaf i can take any blood test? which do i test? or all kinds of shit?

 

[darodiddler]

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which blood test? they do not gaf i can take any blood test? which do i test? or all kinds of shit?

wat do u say gng?

 

[darodiddler]

You need to LARP Estrogen bloodtest.

You can work with Grok to figure out good symptoms to give for your doctor to give you bloodtest.

A good one I can think off the top of my head is gyno, you can say your nipples have a sensitivity feeling, and your friend at school recently discovered he had gyno as well, and the tissue already had formed so now it's surgical.

You found that Estrogen is the main driver of gyno, and would like a bloodtest to verify.

.

 

[Faustum]

which blood test? they do not gaf i can take any blood test? which do i test? or all kinds of shit?

IGF-1, Estrogen, Testosterone, Lipids, etc.