okay so when i do those? why igf1? im alreday using gh also estrogen just e2? or whole estrogen and when do i do thhose blood work?
you should get your baseline bloods before starting, I did that it was a great way to see where you start.
What a dumb argument. It's obvious that antibiotics or cars do not have near the same side effects of roids. Me personally I wouldn't take those either and in general I agree that mindlessly relying on modern tools is bad, but your argument makes 0 sense.
Again, I don't take antibiotics. But it's obvious the side effects you listed are not even comparable to those of roids
This is again not a good argument. It's not the car itself that kills people. Cars themselves are not harmful. It's the people using them that causes accidents. Steroids on the other hand have inherit side effects that are indipendent of the person using them
They are not comparable.
I made that edit at the end because I think the way you think reflects that of many people in this community. You are proud of your objectivity but then make clearly emotional arguments.
It's hard for me to judge if you do not attach any pictures of yourself. Regardless it's not important to do that. There are some people who actually need TRT for medical reasons but 99% do not need to do any of that.
Again cars to not have something inherently bad about them. It's the circumstances that matter in that case. There are probably a lot of people who died or injured themselves by tripping while walking. But walking in itself is not bad.
Not sure what this means
They are. Both have side effects to the users, and both have benefits. You weigh the ROI.
Name one emotional argument I made beyond the LARP I did at the start (motivational).
My point was never TRT, my point was that what Supra T causes fertility wise was something I had already naturally, so for me it made even more sense to hop on, you asked for my reasoning, you said it was emotional, when there are clear, outlined events that I gave you, that led to my choice.
No one is saying cars are bad dude, I love cars, anti-biotics, and steroids. The point of the argument of being natural is cope, was against NATTY BRO larpers, who CLAIM natty yet their entire life is full of the most unnatural habits man has ever taken part of.
LMAO
What ? It's obvious their side effects aren't comparable
Holy shit JFL
No, like I said cars which is the example you used do not have an inherit value to them. A car is not good or bad for you, it's a tool. Steroids are obviously not like that since like I said they have inherit side effects that are indipendent of the use people make of them. Antibiotics are a better comparison in the sense that they have also an inherit value. But like I said those are acceptable because of the magnitude of their side effect, which is very little compared to that of steroids
The last argument you made is emotional. The one I replied to.
You are telling me the reason you took steroids is because of their ROI and that you don't believe in the natty status cope. The argument you made to back your claims though does not make rational sense for the reasons I explained. The natural conclusion is that you either are just dumb (which I don't think is the case) or you were guided by feelings.
I'm not against cars or anti biotics if used reasonably either. Like I said cars have no inherit moral value and anti biotics could be avoided but I'm not as strongly against them as steroids for the general population because even if you experience any side effect it's gonna be temporary and nothing serious. I agree that people who think the only way of living a good life is migrating to Tibet and living like a monk, are clueless. But this polarization you are doing doesn't make much sense. The best way to go about things is being rational.
Dude you actually are not able to understand the point being made.
The natural copers? Being natural is cope, I explained the hypocrisy TO the "BE NATTY" bros/larp. You said yourself you don't even agree/acknowledge that groups existence.
Okay but you are not understanding the last part's point.
Taking Testosterone in 2026 is the most rational position given all the endocrine disruptors of the modern age.
I think I understand your point but correct me if I'm wrong. You say at the end of your thread that you think that people who reject steroids just because they are unnatural are dumb, or that are at least contradictory, because they themselves use a lot of unnatural stuff like cars or antibiotics. I agree with that, if you say steroids are bad based only on the fact that they are unnatural you probably are just brainwashed. What I was criticizing in my reply is your approach, which I believe is very emotional. You almost use your argument as a justification for the use of steroids, when by itself it's only useful for disproving the baseless "steroids are bad because unnatural" argument.
I didn't say I don't acknowledge their existence. I do believe there are people who think everything unnatural is bad. That type of polarization is obviously bad, but to me it seems you also have that, just on the other side of the spectrum. I think both extremes are equally irrational
Again I agree with you on the fact that disregarding steroids on the sole basis that they are unnatural is bad. But I have explained in my replies that I do not agree with that, and I made rational arguments for why I draw the line at steroids. It was clear from the first reply that I wasn't that kind of person you describe yet you seem to keep going back to that, probably because it's an easier argument to face because of how extreme it is.
The problem is that you use it as a justification for the use of steroids more than as an argument against "natty copers". That is what I think is emotional and bad about your thread.
The only way you retain all this positive effects for life is if you stay on it for life. Like I said I do not think being so dependent on something is good and while some people do need it for medical reasons it's not advisable for most.
Like I said both extremes are bad and equally as irrational.
how old?
how old ru and whats ur test dossage with arimdix?
mirin
This is the only time to experience levels of Testosterone no man has ever had before. This mindset is called Faustian, which is my name is the latin for Faustum. To take risk to reach a higher ideal, there are few things more admirable. An intelligent person on steroids will benefit greatly, and there is nothing else he can do to his person that will give him MORE benefits.
You should use steroids not because of a vague emotional appeal, but for ALL the reasons I listed ABOVE the final paragraph. I literally have an entire section at the top of "WHY YOU SHOULD TAKE STEROIDS" with the LINKED study, its results, and the effects you will feel from Supra levels of Testosterone.
You can PCT and retain 90% of the muscle gained with a good PCT (running hCG while on cycle) but you are right, most men should stay on Test for life because why not? It's better in every way compared to your natural, unstable production. And it's very cheap.
The only irrational one is the one that is in a literal hypocrisy.
Domestic sources. evolutionary . org/forums the body building forum has countries section and a sources section where all the roid heads approve verified sources.Sick ass fucking thread.
Where the fuck do I get Test though
doing research and learned a shit ton today. Thx for the tips
I don't think that being so dependent on something that has such a massive effect on your well being is healthy, for your body but especially for your mind. Attaching that much of your own moral value to something external to you is not something I would advise.
If you produce it naturally you are not dependent on it. The problem with injecting it especially for life is that like I said you attach the majority of your own moral value to something that is external to you
The fact that you have been more proactive doesn't mean your health has improved or is better than that of an average man. Im sure people with cancer are very proactive about their health too.
Moral value? No one is attaching a moral value to Testosterone lol
Most people who get cancer aren't proactive, and find out they have it too late.
Roughly how much is the yearly cost of the necessities? Not too worried about hcg as I don’t want kids. I’m dead broke rn but I have a few opportunities coming up and want to start as soon as possible. What is the bare minimum amount of $ I need to begin cycling? And how much for a year?
Yes you are. You definitely attach moral value to yourself. But because you are so dependent on test that value is heavily linked to it.
Don't fixate on the example, proactive towards health ≠ healthy and that's a fact. Caring about your health is definitely good but you do it out of necessity. Because of how unpredictable the response of your organism to these roids is, you need to constantly check that things are going the right way. If a regular person started being more proactive, their health would probably improve. But if you do it out of necessity the correlation obviously disappears
I am telling you right now, there is no moral value tied to injecting Testosterone. Quit this parasocial gaslighting.
Before I had no clue about my health, now I know more about my health as a result of what I take. So yes that is an improvement of both the knowledge, and reality of my health, which in the long run will allow me to remain healthy.
You need to do more reading on the subject because what you just said is baffling.
You can get 10 vials of Test C for $250 USD that would likely last you the whole year doing 300mg a week.
What I said was essentially a question: wouldn't it be better to maintain a low dose of testosterone (300mg) for extended periods, rather than doing blast and cruise cycles throughout the year? I'm also asking this for reasons of longevity and health; instead of doing cycles with high doses of testosterone (500mg) and other substances, staying at just 300mg for a long period (more than 2 years) would be better.
Muscle gain scales linear with Testosterone dosage, and yes as do side effects.
I explained it to you, you are just denying reality
This makes no sense obviously, because you could have done that without getting on Test. It's obvious that you do it out of necessity, because since your health is so unpredictable you need to constantly check upon it.
of course you are depend on it if you inject thats litterally the point of it. I dont understand the point you are making
What is this meant to even say you cant pin and forget you have to get bloods? I think everyone who takes roids understands the risks about cancer and organ failiure.
The point I'm making is that it's not good to be so dependent on something, whether that's test or anything else. It makes you very vulnerable and weak.
I was responding to op saying that another advantage of Test is that it makes you more proactive about health and as a result more healthy. That's obviously not true, the average person that has a good lifestyle is definitely more healthy than someone who has to inject Test every week. I explained to him that the fact that he is more proactive has no correlation with him being more healthy. If anything the opposite, because he is proactive out of necessity, because if he wasn't, like you said, he would risk cancer and organ failure (even then the risk still exist and is not guaranteed you will avoid those side effects just by being more proactive).
You can test hCG really easy. Put it on a pregnancy test, if its pregnant its real
9-12 months is stupid 16-20 weeks is sweet spot
no you are the retarded you’re partially true but 95% mfs in this site are teenagers that will make your cycle have a very high risks
Testosterone is one of the least risky steroids you can take. Why would I lie because they are late teens? Whether they are 18 or 25 it doesn't matter, you cannot gain significant lean mass without LONG duration exposed to androgens.
This is utter nonsense. I want you to show me ONE normal healthy young man who EVER lost fertility and it was irreversible. It's never happened.
Is this all ChatGPT?
Literally in the thread... You didn't even bother to read.
This isn't true. Muscle gain scales with Testosterone dosage and more muscle nucelli (muscle memory) is developed. You are blasting and cruising, that's literally what I said in the thread.
Holy shit you just used AI because you are retarded and know NOTHING on this subject.
can’t dm you brotha is there anyway other way i can reach you for a source and some extra guidance
bump
Hope you are mirin enough to start the cycle, place the order, best thing I've ever done.
i will soon once enough research done
Best thread to ever bless my eyes so much info about how to manage the cycle
If you have any questions drop them here.
I am actually starting today a first cycle of HGH and Anastrozole since my growth plates are still a little open.
