Does he do downgrafting ccw or only impaction?I have a pretty boy face and reasonably nice jaws. I had an in person consult with Dr. Paul Coceancig when I had body dysmorphia and was obsessed with chad jaws. He is black-pilled, but he is also crazy. He often says stupid shit to incels like "you're going to look like George Clooney" or "you'll be one in a million". This is just manipulation and lies, because while they may ascend, they will never be models, actors or a PSL 9.
Coceancig's costs are very good for Australians (they get Medicare coverage) or New Zealanders (who can move to Australia and qualify for Medicare). He has done bimax for around $10,000-$20,000, it's at the upper end if you get additional surgeries like IMDO included. I think standard surgeries like bimax alone he has done for $7k total to the patient, the rest covered by medicare.
However, because I am not Australian his bimax would have cost me over $80,000 AUD. If I recall this cost was primarily because he uses special titanium systems made by Johnson & Johnson.
As I said, I have a pretty boy face. I am no longer 'into' the chad jaw. Coceancig wanted me to do huge movements, and it made me uneasy that I would look like a completely different person. I met one of his patients in the clinic, and he looked like a football douche without a thought behind the eyes. It was too chimp and uncanny for me, seeing it in person it looked much worse than what I saw in photos. I didn't really think it would suit me at all and ultimately decided against it.
Coceancig's style also made me uncomfortable because of how he shames the patient about their appearance. I know some of you will appreciate this style but I think he knows that body dysmorphia = profit.
He also asked me what my parents did for work to figure out if I could afford the surgery (or how much he could milk from me). I was already 22 at the time and my parents were not paying for a surgery – so I found that annoying of him to assume it.
Overall I found him to be a douche, even though he's probably technically "right" if your ideal is just a chad jaw. You can tell me I am coping but I got second opinions from other max-fac that my recession is so minimal it's like 1mm off.
Ultimately I wasn't gonna pay $80,000 when I can go to a more chilled out Italian surgeon who appreciates a pretty boy jaw and would only do smaller movements or an extended genioplasty for $10k. I have seen another max-fac who said DJS is ridiculous for me and a very small genioplasty would be good.
Coceancig also exaggerates to people about their breathing issues. Most DJS will fix your breathing issues. I didn't have any breathing issues, and my airway is GOOD, but he tried to tell me I would start snoring in old age, recede and develop a multitude of health disorders leading to early death (lmfao all my ancestors live till their 90s and we have similar decent jaws). I have also read reviews of a patient who saw no improvement to their breathing after surgery with him, and he essentially abandoned her.
He also is narcissistic as fuck and named his version of the genioplasty the "GENIO-PAULY"
If you are subhuman or Australian, then yeah, Cocceancig is a decent option.
Only on Looksmax.orgI have a pretty boy face and reasonably nice jaws. I had an in person consult with Dr. Paul Coceancig when I had body dysmorphia and was obsessed with chad jaws. He is black-pilled, but he is also crazy. He often says stupid shit to incels like "you're going to look like George Clooney" or "you'll be one in a million". This is just manipulation and lies, because while they may ascend, they will never be models, actors or a PSL 9.
Coceancig's costs are very good for Australians (they get Medicare coverage) or New Zealanders (who can move to Australia and qualify for Medicare). He has done bimax for around $10,000-$20,000, it's at the upper end if you get additional surgeries like IMDO included. I think standard surgeries like bimax alone he has done for $7k total to the patient, the rest covered by medicare.
However, because I am not Australian his bimax would have cost me over $80,000 AUD. If I recall this cost was primarily because he uses special titanium systems made by Johnson & Johnson.
As I said, I have a pretty boy face. I am no longer 'into' the chad jaw. Coceancig wanted me to do huge movements, and it made me uneasy that I would look like a completely different person. I met one of his patients in the clinic, and he looked like a football douche without a thought behind the eyes. It was too chimp and uncanny for me, seeing it in person it looked much worse than what I saw in photos. I didn't really think it would suit me at all and ultimately decided against it.
Coceancig's style also made me uncomfortable because of how he shames the patient about their appearance. I know some of you will appreciate this style but I think he knows that body dysmorphia = profit.
He also asked me what my parents did for work to figure out if I could afford the surgery (or how much he could milk from me). I was already 22 at the time and my parents were not paying for a surgery – so I found that annoying of him to assume it.
Overall I found him to be a douche, even though he's probably technically "right" if your ideal is just a chad jaw. You can tell me I am coping but I got second opinions from other max-fac that my recession is so minimal it's like 1mm off.
Ultimately I wasn't gonna pay $80,000 when I can go to a more chilled out Italian surgeon who appreciates a pretty boy jaw and would only do smaller movements or an extended genioplasty for $10k. I have seen another max-fac who said DJS is ridiculous for me and a very small genioplasty would be good.
Coceancig also exaggerates to people about their breathing issues. Most DJS will fix your breathing issues. I didn't have any breathing issues, and my airway is GOOD, but he tried to tell me I would start snoring in old age, recede and develop a multitude of health disorders leading to early death (lmfao all my ancestors live till their 90s and we have similar decent jaws). I have also read reviews of a patient who saw no improvement to their breathing after surgery with him, and he essentially abandoned her.
He also is narcissistic as fuck and named his version of the genioplasty the "GENIO-PAULY"
If you are subhuman or Australian, then yeah, Cocceancig is a decent option.
elab on difference?
I have a pretty boy face and reasonably nice jaws. I had an in person consult with Dr. Paul Coceancig when I had body dysmorphia and was obsessed with chad jaws. He is black-pilled, but he is also crazy. He often says stupid shit to incels like "you're going to look like George Clooney" or "you'll be one in a million". This is just manipulation and lies, because while they may ascend, they will never be models, actors or a PSL 9.
Coceancig's costs are very good for Australians (they get Medicare coverage) or New Zealanders (who can move to Australia and qualify for Medicare). He has done bimax for around $10,000-$20,000, it's at the upper end if you get additional surgeries like IMDO included. I think standard surgeries like bimax alone he has done for $7k total to the patient, the rest covered by medicare.
However, because I am not Australian his bimax would have cost me over $80,000 AUD. If I recall this cost was primarily because he uses special titanium systems made by Johnson & Johnson.
As I said, I have a pretty boy face. I am no longer 'into' the chad jaw. Coceancig wanted me to do huge movements, and it made me uneasy that I would look like a completely different person. I met one of his patients in the clinic, and he looked like a football douche without a thought behind the eyes. It was too chimp and uncanny for me, seeing it in person it looked much worse than what I saw in photos. I didn't really think it would suit me at all and ultimately decided against it.
Coceancig's style also made me uncomfortable because of how he shames the patient about their appearance. I know some of you will appreciate this style but I think he knows that body dysmorphia = profit.
He also asked me what my parents did for work to figure out if I could afford the surgery (or how much he could milk from me). I was already 22 at the time and my parents were not paying for a surgery – so I found that annoying of him to assume it.
Overall I found him to be a douche, even though he's probably technically "right" if your ideal is just a chad jaw. You can tell me I am coping but I got second opinions from other max-fac that my recession is so minimal it's like 1mm off.
Ultimately I wasn't gonna pay $80,000 when I can go to a more chilled out Italian surgeon who appreciates a pretty boy jaw and would only do smaller movements or an extended genioplasty for $10k. I have seen another max-fac who said DJS is ridiculous for me and a very small genioplasty would be good.
Coceancig also exaggerates to people about their breathing issues. Most DJS will fix your breathing issues. I didn't have any breathing issues, and my airway is GOOD, but he tried to tell me I would start snoring in old age, recede and develop a multitude of health disorders leading to early death (lmfao all my ancestors live till their 90s and we have similar decent jaws). I have also read reviews of a patient who saw no improvement to their breathing after surgery with him, and he essentially abandoned her.
He also is narcissistic as fuck and named his version of the genioplasty the "GENIO-PAULY"
If you are subhuman or Australian, then yeah, Cocceancig is a decent option.
wdym?
I'm still not convinced by this and i truly don't believe you. Sorry but either you are not the guy in that photos or you morhped your photos.I have a pretty boy face and reasonably nice jaws. I had an in person consult with Dr. Paul Coceancig when I had body dysmorphia and was obsessed with chad jaws. He is black-pilled, but he is also crazy. He often says stupid shit to incels like "you're going to look like George Clooney" or "you'll be one in a million". This is just manipulation and lies, because while they may ascend, they will never be models, actors or a PSL 9.
Coceancig's costs are very good for Australians (they get Medicare coverage) or New Zealanders (who can move to Australia and qualify for Medicare). He has done bimax for around $10,000-$20,000, it's at the upper end if you get additional surgeries like IMDO included. I think standard surgeries like bimax alone he has done for $7k total to the patient, the rest covered by medicare.
However, because I am not Australian his bimax would have cost me over $80,000 AUD. If I recall this cost was primarily because he uses special titanium systems made by Johnson & Johnson.
As I said, I have a pretty boy face. I am no longer 'into' the chad jaw. Coceancig wanted me to do huge movements, and it made me uneasy that I would look like a completely different person. I met one of his patients in the clinic, and he looked like a football douche without a thought behind the eyes. It was too chimp and uncanny for me, seeing it in person it looked much worse than what I saw in photos. I didn't really think it would suit me at all and ultimately decided against it.
Coceancig's style also made me uncomfortable because of how he shames the patient about their appearance. I know some of you will appreciate this style but I think he knows that body dysmorphia = profit.
He also asked me what my parents did for work to figure out if I could afford the surgery (or how much he could milk from me). I was already 22 at the time and my parents were not paying for a surgery – so I found that annoying of him to assume it.
Overall I found him to be a douche, even though he's probably technically "right" if your ideal is just a chad jaw. You can tell me I am coping but I got second opinions from other max-fac that my recession is so minimal it's like 1mm off.
Ultimately I wasn't gonna pay $80,000 when I can go to a more chilled out Italian surgeon who appreciates a pretty boy jaw and would only do smaller movements or an extended genioplasty for $10k. I have seen another max-fac who said DJS is ridiculous for me and a very small genioplasty would be good.
Coceancig also exaggerates to people about their breathing issues. Most DJS will fix your breathing issues. I didn't have any breathing issues, and my airway is GOOD, but he tried to tell me I would start snoring in old age, recede and develop a multitude of health disorders leading to early death (lmfao all my ancestors live till their 90s and we have similar decent jaws). I have also read reviews of a patient who saw no improvement to their breathing after surgery with him, and he essentially abandoned her.
He also is narcissistic as fuck and named his version of the genioplasty the "GENIO-PAULY"
If you are subhuman or Australian, then yeah, Cocceancig is a decent option.
if converting lower thirds like this isn’t one in a million then idk what is
yeah i would name something i invented after myself too. the procedure “LeFort” is named after René Le Fort or the tons of other inventions that are named after the inventor. they must be narcissist too..(?)He also is narcissistic as fuck and named his version of the genioplasty the "GENIO-PAULY"
why go to a maxfac surgeon if you thought you didn’t need bimax? most people searching for bimax often are “subhuman”
Jfl nope, see the response to the "why go to a maxfac surgeon if you don't need bimax" below.
His work isn't always good though, there are so many bad reviews about his work getting infected and causing jaw pain because he does dangerous shit. I saw a result in person which looked like chimp face. He has ignored and dismissed multiple patients for their excoriating pain and long term INABIILITY TO OPEN THIER fucking mouths to eat, by telling them how great they look and to basically get over it. His "go to" argument when he runs into medical problems is to say "well, this is basically the equivalent of someone learning your entire apartment and leaving a sock on the floor". He said that to multiple patients who couldn't even eat properly. Look at the 1 star reviews on RateMDs for him. He has a shit reputation in Sydney with other surgeons because of it. I had to go and ask around to check I wasn't going insane.
It's called body dysmorphia. He will literally offer bimax to anyone on the margins because it gets him minimum $80k per patient in medicare payout. Unethical surgeons exist. They always have. And they will offer surgery to people who don't need it for money. I have no doubts he can perform good results, but I think his style will potentially cause problems *sometimes*.
No, my point was that he does not even acknowledge that 'pretty boy' jaws are acceptable. He wants everyone to have massive mandibles which isn't necessary the best for facial harmony. Dude probably sensed my dysmorphia about it at the time, and instead of saying "no your jaws look good its probably not worth the risk" he immediately asked how much money my parents make and said I would become much more handsome. He preys on insecurity of dudes with fine jaws, for sure. Even his assistant in his office was beside him, and she looked a little uneasy with the things he was saying to me.
Pretty sure Rene Le Fort didn't name it after himself, usually other doctors name the procedure after it's creator. I cannot see what is special about his genioplasty that grants him naming rights either. The creator of the chin-wing did not name it after himself, and it's a much more impressive procedure. The LeFort being named after it's creator is perhaps understandable because it is/was an impressive and new surgery. Some minor variation of the genioplasty doesn't seem a good reason to name it after yourself, and I can find no surgeons who have adopted his "GenioPauly" method.
how are you even on the "margins"? you don't have any kind of recession. what did he actually propose to you? how many mm advancement on the mandible or the maxilla?
thanks for the insight, might be a larp but a dunno if someone would be that autistic to write an essay thats fake.
EVERY surgeon has bad reviews and guess what? Those reviews are nothing when compared with the rest of the hundreds of cases. I know someone who went with Dr Paul and he looks AMAZING. A pretty boy isn’t only composed of a jaw. They actually look better if with a more masculine jaw, ex: Vinnie Hacker.
not even close… ive seen him do wider genio cuts for people he believes are more masculine and even then he asks them if they want a wider chin or not. again what the fuck is a pretty boy jaw? a girl jaw? are you gay? the fuck is your obsession with narrow pointy chin neotenous jaws?
this pretty much sums my theory tbh
couldve just asked
it’s really not. creates an undesirable step off at the ramus, doesn’t provide the chin and mandible separation that a regular genio does, geniopaully actually manipulates the shape of the chin which many cases of anterior mandibular hypoplasia need. the chin wing doesn’t change the chin directly, the chin wing isn’t attaching the geniohyoid muscles which a geniopaully does and as a result pulls the hyoid bone up & forward and as a result tightens the submental area or dewlap of the jawline and improves your airway
it’s not even close to the traditional genioplasty
Paul has his aesthetic and his way of doing things. All I said is I disagree with how he does shit. This is precisely my issue, people like you who come in and say that Paul is "right". He isn't, he his style he likes and I think it looks uncanny asf in person. I have met a patient in person who he bragged about who looked like shit.EVERY surgeon has bad reviews and guess what? Those reviews are nothing when compared with the rest of the hundreds of cases. I know someone who went with Dr Paul and he looks AMAZING. A pretty boy isn’t only composed of a jaw. They actually look better if with a more masculine jaw, ex: Vinnie Hacker.
not even close… ive seen him do wider genio cuts for people he believes are more masculine and even then he asks them if they want a wider chin or not. again what the fuck is a pretty boy jaw? a girl jaw? are you gay? the fuck is your obsession with narrow pointy chin neotenous jaws?
if you pay for a consult with a JAW surgeon who is notoriously known for creating strong big jaws, then you’re gonna get what you paid for. your logic doesn’t even add up lmao. you say you have body dysmorphia and think you need bimax, then complain that he gives you an opportunity for bimax.. sounds like you were just hoping he would tell you you have a decent jaw for some paid validation and you got the opposite, so you’re whining about him.
also:
this pretty much sums my theory tbh
couldve just askedView attachment 1593633View attachment 1593648
it’s really not. creates an undesirable step off at the ramus, doesn’t provide the chin and mandible separation that a regular genio does, geniopaully actually manipulates the shape of the chin which many cases of anterior mandibular hypoplasia need. the chin wing doesn’t change the chin directly, the chin wing isn’t attaching the geniohyoid muscles which a geniopaully does and as a result pulls the hyoid bone up & forward and as a result tightens the submental area or dewlap of the jawline and improves your airway
View attachment 1593639
it’s not even close to the traditional genioplasty
No wonder you're so defensive. Stop panicking, I already said his work is fine on subhumans like you. I find it hilarious you need to have a huge rod in your jaw and you tried to tell me I need surgery when people said my profile is fine. Bruh Paul is rubbing off on you.I’m defensive and I underwent IMDO, because of my extensive research. I know 110% Paul’s work is ahead of his time. I didn’t even go with Paul. I live no where near Australia. I went with a colleague/close friend of his.Jfl checked your posts and turns out you're undergoing IMDO?
wheres the closest place I can get IMDO thats not australia?I’m defensive and I underwent IMDO, because of my extensive research. I know 110% Paul’s work is ahead of his time. I didn’t even go with Paul. I live no where near Australia. I went with a colleague/close friend of his.
Crazy shit, attacking me for putting effort into improving myself while you rot and find excuses to not move forward. I never told you you need surgery, I rather don’t give a fuck if you do or not. But my buddy Paul thinks so and he’s far more knowledgeable than me
Dm me your pictures i will let you know if you are right or an aspie schizo typing long tales
This @valhalar guy is so weird, he comes in and says he has body dysmorphia and expects people to take anything he says seriously.I’m defensive and I underwent IMDO, because of my extensive research. I know 110% Paul’s work is ahead of his time. I didn’t even go with Paul. I live no where near Australia. I went with a colleague/close friend of his.
Crazy shit, attacking me for putting effort into improving myself while you rot and find excuses to not move forward. I never told you you need surgery, I rather don’t give a fuck if you do or not. But my buddy Paul thinks so and he’s far more knowledgeable than me
I already showed pics in another thread and everyone agreed with me. Just stfu please I’m so over this topic lol. I already said I don’t like the doctors style and if you do then go for it.
404 thread not found
Which surgeon did your imdo? where can i find one near me? I live in texasI’m defensive and I underwent IMDO, because of my extensive research. I know 110% Paul’s work is ahead of his time. I didn’t even go with Paul. I live no where near Australia. I went with a colleague/close friend of his.
Crazy shit, attacking me for putting effort into improving myself while you rot and find excuses to not move forward. I never told you you need surgery, I rather don’t give a fuck if you do or not. But my buddy Paul thinks so and he’s far more knowledgeable than me
Yes I was planning to go down to Mexico and do it from Jose specfically
I believe won moon had a list of surgical providers all across America.
Yea Ive seen the list but the providers near me didnt have any MSE info on their sites.
There's two that do MSE and Invisalign ten mintues away
There's two that do MSE and Invisalign ten mintues away
Only fucking n2 implant to complete the journey FUARK
There's two that do MSE and Invisalign ten mintues away
Only fucking n2 implant to complete the journey FUARK
Where is nelson located?
I really hope so
Yea i'll do the sameYeah wide smile with hollows like Erickson looks so godly
I checked out the thread. I don’t want to ruin my retin a gains tho. I’d keep the skin gains over potentially ruining skin and destroy fat pads unnaturally. I’ll wait for IMDO/bsso to stretch skin b4 I go apeshit with dnp or maybe tren
And Nelson lives in socal, he’s had a meet up before with 3 other users back in 2019
He has a tall wide square chin and very wide high mass cheekbones.Yeah wide smile with hollows like Erickson looks so godly
Did retin a improve fat pads?
Personally i will just get n2 implant x facepuller and then as soon as it gets excessive i will get IMDO asap, this might be convered by insurance who knows....
Distraction osteogeniss or igf-1 condyle injections+androgen maxx and chew for ramus.
What method were u planning to do surgically for ramus?
Would give you this jaw in no time.
LR3 IMDO and tren. Imagine the jaw growth. Would be equivalent to acromegaly levels. Too much
