Thank you, as I said there are many differences between our plans. I'd rather not go into too much detail, but what I'm saying is I respect his effort and commitment regardless of his outcome.
Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.
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Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking nternasal area
• Rated as MTN
Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area
Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet
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All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateralgrowth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.
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Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.
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Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.
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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.
I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.
We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.
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Designer:
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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==
Surgeon:
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https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4
OBO edit:
nice, are you going to become a hardcore hardmaxxer?
Mofo why would he that surgery ducking sucks 2 inches for fucking not be able to fucking walk
in the sense of more than just obo, i want to see someone reconstruct their harmony, obo is a amazing start tho as its actually changing harmony
or get quad and get like 5-7 inches and not walk for 8 monthsMofo why would he that surgery ducking sucks 2 inches for fucking not be able to fucking walk
?Mofo why would he that surgery ducking sucks 2 inches for fucking not be able to fucking walk
Although I think this surgery is considered hardcore by itself, there's a couple more surgeries I'm planning to get.
Isn’t it as dangerous as bimax correct me if I’m wrong
The risk is similar. If don't think this is hardcore then which surgery is?
Lefort III and ll
Not 2 meant LL
Lefort 3 also has similar risk and recovery time, you might be right about LL. Quad LL is included in my surgical plan though
How could lefort III have similar risk to obo I thought obo as risky as bimax wtf
This is very concerning
Thank youwishing you a fast and speedy recovery bro
Good luck with the recovery man i hope everything turns out well.
Which surgeon are you planning on going to?
Thank you, I appreciate the support.
I had a great time meeting up with Liam, he's a very interesting and intelligent guy. The consultation with dr.Ercin helped further reassure about the operation as he is a very experienced and capable surgeon.
It was between Dr.Ercin and Dr.Celal, Dr.Celal decided he did not want to perform it after all.
It is an incredibly cheap price for the service he is providing. The only place where you could hope to get an aesthetic obo (non syndromic) elsewhere is in the US which is done transcranial (exposing the brain and thus significantly increasing the risk of severe complications) + it wouldn't even include the titanium orbital implants, and it'd set you back around 100k $.
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I was just very excited to finally get the surgery, months of planning had gone into it. In fact I can remember smiling right before being put under anesthesia.
Well it's no secret that it can be very difficult to reach Liam and get him to start planning your case, but, once your case is prioritized his customer service is excellent. Also, while I was with him in Turkey he shared with me that he is currently in the process of resolving the issue (I know you've heard this before) but, he now has actionable steps that he has already started to take.
~20k I think
No worries, that's the purpose of this thread, good luck on your ascension.
Still doing my research.
jfl you'd be surprised
~30k all inclusive
Slight increase from the medial orbital wall implants and bob canthopexies
No
No, you can follow me here, I'll post updates after every surgery that I get
Quad LL? Damn nigga you tall are you? Mirin everything mate, hope you ascend
Thank you bhai, it's the last item on the list as I'm not too short (~6ft)
How tall you wanna be? Make good research mate, Make sure you go to a good surgeon, LL it’s a really tough recovery, still man wishing you the best in your journey
6'4-6'5. I appreciate the advice and support
What a shame, how many times you think you roughly been rejected?
I mean you'd be surprised by how high inhib I'm with women compared to getting surgeries. I haven't attempted to approach many but a break up after a ltr affected me seriously.
Mirin, I’m the other way around, I’m too pussy to looksmax but low inhib with women
ffs i meant hardcore in the sense of the quantity of surgeries, like 3-4 surgeries that are actually useful like obo, i would be interested to see if your family could recognize you after all those
I actually meant Dr. Serdar but whatever
