Cope. Check this reddit thread:
I didn't see him say those ratios. Yeah ngl that doesn't seem worth it. 0.95-1 Mfr is perfect, 0.95 not a problem at all. I'm only considering OBO cos my mfr is 0.9 or less and sub ideal es ratio
Strabismus cannot be minor, man, it affects your vision!
problem is that ratio of eyeball size to nose size and thigns of this nature are practicaly impossible to change with current techniques. Nosejobs often botched/uncanny looking when it comes to makign nose smaller. Maybe if we had N2 implant...
do u think orbital tripod fracture + plexy (sharpen lateral corner) would be the closest to changing your harmony?
well im not so clear on what harmony is exactly, but if you mean to change ratios. Of course there are tons of things you can do. But most of those things will make you look ugly, then another large proportion will keep your psl the same, and then there will be a tiny portion which actually makes you better looking.
To be fair, 0.47 is not all that different, just not something worth spendinf 30k for lol, maybe if he had some assymetries like 1 eye being vertically or horizontally different.
He had widened his zygos and it went down to 0,42, so he decided to undergo it later on.
How long will this whole process take? All healed up and no swelling
Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.
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Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN
Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area
Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet
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All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateralgrowth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.
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Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.
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Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.
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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.
I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.
We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.
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Designer:
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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==
Surgeon:
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https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4
OBO edit:
This was not true for me they did it to me while I was awake
Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.
View attachment 2679696View attachment 2679745View attachment 2679746View attachment 2679722View attachment 2679747
View attachment 2679860
Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN
Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area
Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet
View attachment 2679699
All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral
View attachment 2679753
Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.
View attachment 2679773View attachment 2679629
Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.
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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.
I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.
We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.
View attachment 2679823View attachment 2679789
Designer:
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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==
Surgeon:
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https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4
OBO edit:
It depends on your anatomy, but you’ll see public b/a’s of a real case Soon™.
Just curious who are u no offense
@RealSurgerymax could u do a obo where instead of ipd widening through the frontal sinus u just do a giant bilateral tripod osteotomy to further increase fwhr like could u do 4 mm IPD just with bilateral tripod osteotomy
How much more fwhr would increase from 4mm ipd increase from only bilateral tripod osteotomy let’s say it’s 1.6 what would it go up to Or let’s say it’s 1.8 would it reach 2.25 ?
Could u do lefort III and then OBO and do u use a distractor for ur lefort III ? And does lefort III make cheekbones higher set ?How much does Lefort III cost and how many mm’s can you do ? @RealSurgerymax
cute ass nose
She is super cute yes, but 35 mm ICD is dolphin tier and only works in rare cases on women or in the case of O'Pry where has has a 99th percentile eyebrow length and inner corner fullness. Shave his inner corners and he will instantly look like a retard.
i meant her nose is good, she is mid but few mms from stacy
Yes O'Pry does have epicanthic folds. Most likely due to his native american mother.
creasing might be more effective than orbital tripod fracture tbh, might be the strat, his pfl looks so good sometimes
What surgeries are u getting ?
trying to bump up to 5 this year if rsm answers insta dms
Which ones
ccw/mlf3 but those are extreme tier, for now just going with eyes until 19 or so
Like a sin mlf3 or actual lefort III just modified with custom plates and guides by giant ?
by giant yes, fuck sin that nigga a jew
Like a full on lefort III or just a mlf3 where only the eye orbit and zygoma are cut ?
just mlf3 ofc, full lefort iii is fucking brutal
Hmm interesting how mms u thinking
cant tell you, thats after i do scanning and consultations with rsm
Which do u thinks better lefort II + custom zygo or lefort III ?
depends, @RealSurgerymax can give you a better answer
