I have 115-120 gonial angle yet I look downgrown

[bobsmith03]

I measured my gonial angle

idk what angle these were taken in but the first one was natural head posture and I extended my neck out a bit, for it to be easier to find gonial angle
the second one is in the Frankfurt plane, I was looking more down

Also, I took the first picture in a weird camera position and have a beard so hard to trace around the mustache. I don't have chimp lips

Anyway my gonial angle is nowhere near 130 deg which is good but I still look downgrown. What can I do to fix this issue?

Also can someone point me in the direction on how tf do I measure gonial angle correctly, am I meant to be in Frankfurt plane? what head posture? Im buying a protractor on amazon to measure this shit once and for all.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

Short ramus.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

What's The Ideal Ramus Length ?

Proportionately tall.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

Just Tell Me A Number.

Completely dependant on skull size. As I said it should look tall in proportion to your skull and face.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

What About Gandys Skull ?
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Looks proportionate and good.

 

[bobsmith03]

I also have a 27mm ICD (inner canthus distance), i measured with a compass. wtf

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Gonial angle is a poor indicator of forward growth. Literally cope

Frantfurt plane is everything

 

[bobsmith03]

Short ramus.

my ramus is 3.5-4cm from ear to gonion

 

[HarrierDuBois]

my ramus is 3.5-4cm from ear to gonion

Then you don't look downgrown with a 115 gonial.

 

[bobsmith03]

Gonial angle is a poor indicator of forward growth. Literally cope

Frantfurt plane is everything

how do I determine the extent of my forward growth for the mandible

 

[Krakowski]

Because that is still downwardgrown, your ramus is supposed to be 95-105 incel.

 

[bobsmith03]

Then you don't look downgrown with a 115 gonial.

I think its my chin projection then.

 

[Krakowski]

Then you don't look downgrown with a 115 gonial.

His chin is recessed and that's why he thinks his face looks off.

 

[bobsmith03]

Because that is still downwardgrown, your ramus is supposed to be 95-105 incel.

wtf thats insane. is that from zygo to gonion?

 

[HarrierDuBois]

His chin is recessed and that's why he thinks his face looks off.

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Probably. Could be an excessive antegonial notch.

 

[Krakowski]

wtf thats insane. is that from zygo to gonion?

gonial angle i meant

 

[bobsmith03]

His chin is recessed and that's why he thinks his face looks off.

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would sliding genio get rid of this part here. I need a morph of my side profile with sliding genio, I have made one but Im not sure the soft tissue changes that comes with sliding genio

 

[bobsmith03]

Probably. Could be an excessive antegonial notch.

na my mandible is straight, just a ever so slight notch in the middle

 

[HarrierDuBois]

na my mandible is straight, just a ever so slight notch in the middle

Post a normal pic.

 

[bobsmith03]

gonial angle i meant

that cant be right. what plane is that in. I can get 100 if I tilt fraud

 

[Krakowski]

that cant be right. what plane is that in. I can get 100 if I tilt fraud

It's because you are downwardgrown.

 

[bobsmith03]

Post a normal pic.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

how do I determine the extent of my forward growth for the mandible

You can absolute (actual jaw size)

Or you can measure relative which is how you chin lines up relative to your browridge (I prefer comparing it to the eye) at frankfurt plane

 

[Krakowski]

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[bobsmith03]

You can absolute (actual jaw size)
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Or you can measure relative which is how you chin lines up relative to your browridge (I prefer comparing it to the eye) at frankfurt plane

yo thank you ill look into this

 

[HarrierDuBois]

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Not a 3,5-4 CM ramus.

 

[bobsmith03]

Not a 3,5-4 CM ramus.

do you think its less?

 

[HarrierDuBois]

do you think its less?

Judging from the beard it looks less.

 

[bobsmith03]

Because that is still downwardgrown, your ramus is supposed to be 95-105 incel.

my mandible length is 12.7cm aswell. imagine I had a good gonial angle, I would mog so hard

 

[Krakowski]

my mandible length is 12.7cm aswell. imagine I had a good gonial angle, I would mog so hard

The entire mandible bone or the bone or excluding the ramus?

 

[Blackgymmax]

Ramus

 

[bobsmith03]

Judging from the beard it looks less.

measured again. Got 3cm, did it properly in frankfurt plane

 

[bobsmith03]

The entire mandible bone or the bone or excluding the ramus?

from gonion to mid chin, i used flexible tape measure. how should I measure mandible

 

[bobsmith03]

The entire mandible bone or the bone or excluding the ramus?

Im thinking to get sliding genio. Do you know any information around the changes in soft tissue it would have? Would it pull forward my lower lip too (the top arrow). I ideally want it for slide profile, chin height is a bonus but just a couple mms

 

[bobsmith03]

sliding genio morph If my assumptions on how it works is correct.

The third one is a morph of bimax, genio, rhino If that is how bimax works by rotating lower third clockwise and reducing midface

 

[0hMan]

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You're Jewish?

 

[bobsmith03]

You're Jewish?

Fuck no. Turkish bro

 

[0hMan]

Fuck no. Turkish bro

You sure you don't have Jewish ancestry? Jews almost always have ears lower than their eyes that are curved like yours.

 

[bobsmith03]

Not a 3,5-4 CM ramus.

Total ramus 6.1cm

However my left total ramus is 5.75cm, this might be my error since I can't properly measure left side. I have an asymmetry, something like this:

so probably going to fix that asymmetry first before doing genio, or maybe both at same time. Do you know what surgery this is called above?

 

[bobsmith03]

You sure you don't have Jewish ancestry? Jews almost always have ears lower than their eyes that are curved like yours.

Nope my brother took a dna test kit, came out 0.5% jew iirc. most of its Anatolia, Iran, syria

 

[HarrierDuBois]

Total ramus 6.1cm

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However my left total ramus is 5.75cm, this might be my error since I can't properly measure left side. I have an asymmetry, something like this:
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so probably going to fix that asymmetry first before doing genio, or maybe both at same time. Do you know what surgery this is called above?

Forgot the name but it's doable.

 

[bobsmith03]

Forgot the name but it's doable.

bsso right? I might just go for bimax lol if I'm going to do that, and benefit from decreased philtrum + sloped nose fix

 

[HarrierDuBois]

bsso right? I might just go for bimax lol if I'm going to do that, and benefit from decreased philtrum + sloped nose fix

It is a BSSO but the way you cut the mandible at the antegonial notch is weird, remember @julianchicago talking about it.

 

[bobsmith03]

Total ramus 6.1cm

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However my left total ramus is 5.75cm, this might be my error since I can't properly measure left side. I have an asymmetry, something like this:
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so probably going to fix that asymmetry first before doing genio, or maybe both at same time. Do you know what surgery this is called above?

also from this asymmetry im pretty sure it put more strength in my right masseter and my left ramus didn't develop because of it, probably also caused my left eye to be more hollow

 

[bobsmith03]

It is a BSSO but the way you cut the mandible at the antegonial notch is weird, remember @julianchicago talking about it.

my left mandible has a steeper antegonial notch aswell from feeling it. all this caused from sleeping on my left and chewing on right, fuck me

edit: I've always used to sleep like

my hypothesis is the this caused imbalance in my neck muscles, which caused me to tilt my head, which caused assyemtric mewing and masseter being developed more on my right side.

 

[bobsmith03]

You sure you don't have Jewish ancestry? Jews almost always have ears lower than their eyes that are curved like yours.

0% jew or levant dna in me bruv. I'm turkish af

 

[Deleted member 43403]

Short ramus.

What's The Ideal Ramus Length ?

 

[bobsmith03]

Possible with Bimax ccw?

My before side profile My after side profile Difference: The diference in lower jaw/chin projection is 8mm I think. Also I did a occlusal plane test by smiling and taking a side profile shot and then measuring the angle my upper teeth make. It came back 13-16 deg (my canines are long and...

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check out my new post guys that relates to this

 

[Deleted member 43403]

Proportionately tall.

Just Tell Me A Number.

 

[dimorphism]

sunken midface