I wish God was real

[user123456]

He is real

 

[cromagnon]

This argument is just….. meh, but I’ll answer it!



1st) Sin
2nd.) it is not begging the question because the conclusion and consensus of the Christian belief is that we have free will, and that the original sin did happened. Why did God allow such this and that? Simple! Free will, no this is not a fallacy for omnibenel is all loving because love is not making us puppets for his fun, therefore he gave us free will and did not make us puppets . Furthermore, even if it’s all loving God, sin is infinite; sin is a action that goes against a infinite being, therefore, this means it had infinite value, for the being is infinite which means the actions, must be infinite. It would be unfair for God to let such a action slide, that would truly be injustice.



We would’ve all have sinned, that’s the point of Genesis to show how we all far short, and how we all fail to not sin. It is also not only because of the original sin, it is for our sin aswell. Innocent? All humans ate evil, for humans do sin and sin is infinite and not of a finite scale, therefore you cannot scale} infinite to finite.

Sin is only infinite because God made it that way…tell me, how is that justifiable? It goes against a being that is infinite but it is an action commited by a finite, mortal being. He could change it whenever he wanted, but doesn’t, for whatever reason us humans can’t quantify i guess

 

[ben132794]

I wish God's grace could be real

I wish Jesus died for our sins

I wish we went to Heaven

But I know, rationally, that's all make believe

Something made up by humans who needed an explanation for why they were here, some sort of causation, and that was God

@ey88 @wishIwasSalludon

Im glad he’s not so I don’t have to be punished for gooning everyday

 

[klopper]

Alright sounds good

Why are people born with incurable genetic diseases? For example, why is a baby born with a rare genetic disorder like cystic fibrosis?

You could argue original sin, but that begs the question, how could an omnibenevolent God allow such a terrible injustice to happen to an innocent being? It is their fault that one of their ancestors sinned thousands of years in the past? As a result of that original sin, they have to live a life of suffering? It makes zero logical sense and seems like needless malevolence

While I can't completely answer God's reasoning for the problem of evil and nor have any of the church fathers and saints attempted to give a definite answer there are some things that might help clear the air. I will bring up multiple points and use quotes from church fathers, saints and monks. Quick warning though this post will be very lazy since I'm exhuasted

1) the state humanity is in now was not how God created us and nor was it intended. How things are now is completely by our own doing:
St. Athanasius the Great our beloved church father says:

"For God had made man thus (that is, an embodied spirit), and had willed that he should remain in incorruption. But men, having turned from the contemplation of God to evil of their own devising, had come inevitably under the law of death. Instead of remaining in the state in which God had created them, they were in process of becoming corrupted entirely, and death had them completely under its dominion... and as they had at the beginning come into being out of non-existence, so were they now on the way to returning, through corruption, to non-existence again. The presence and love of the Word had called them into being; inevitably, therefore, when they lost the knowledge of God, they lost existence with it; for it is God alone Who exists, evil is non-being, the negation and antithesis of good."

2) While it was not intended to be this way there are still some advantages in evil and suffering.
Fr. Seraphim Rose on "Why do men learn through pain and suffering, and not pleasure and happiness?":

“Why do men learn through pain and suffering, and not through pleasure and happiness? Very simply, because pleasure and happiness accustom one to satisfaction with the things given in this world, whereas pain and suffering drive one to seek a more profound happiness beyond the limitations of this world. I am at this moment in some pain, and I call on the Name of Jesus—not necessarily to relieve the pain, but that Jesus, in Whom alone we may transcend this world, may be with me during it, and His will be done in me. But in pleasure I do not call on Him; I am content then with what I have, and I think I need no more. And why is a philosophy of pleasure untenable?—because pleasure is impermanent and unreliable, and pain is inevitable. In pain and suffering Christ speaks to us, and thus God is kind to give them to us, yes, and evil too—for in all of these we glimpse something of what must lie beyond, if there really exists what our hearts most deeply desire.”

Aside from this it also test us with giving up things for others, making sacrifices, showing courage, etc. For example, the Orthodox Church has said for centuries that a homeless beggar is a banker for the kingdom of God. St. Augustine of Hippo says:

"Let us understand that God is a physician, and that suffering is a medicine for salvation, not a punishment for damnation."

3) Earth is our test and heaven is our true home:

One thing to note is that when a baby is given a fatal disease which is horribly sad and wrong there is one amazing thing. They are not guilty and will be going home sooner then others. They will meet with God and be in paradise.

4) God is all knowing, all good and has a plan.

To judge an all knowing and all good God's reasoning is to make yourself a fool. God's wisdom is forever beyond us and perfect. A quote that helps me understand is, "If I had God's power for a day I would change a lot of things but if I had his wisdom, I would change nothing.".

5) The Christian God is a suffering God:

Jesus came here and died brutally and painfully for our salvation. He was whipped with ropes that had blades, he was crucified, stabbed, spit on, humiliated and laughed at and to show his love even more he said during this "Father, forgive them for they not know what they do.". He understands us in our pain and has sympathy. Most importantly, he is always there to hold our hand and comfort us in the midst of our suffering.

This is it for now tell me if you have more questions im sorry this was so lazy and sometime we could call on discord and I could way easily describe things there

 

[NORDEN SLAVORUM]

Alright sounds good


While I can't completely answer God's reasoning for the problem of evil and nor have any of the church fathers and saints attempted to give a definite answer there are some things that might help clear the air. I will bring up multiple points and use quotes from church fathers, saints and monks. Quick warning though this post will be very lazy since I'm exhuasted

1) the state humanity is in now was not how God created us and nor was it intended. How things are now is completely by our own doing:
St. Athanasius the Great our beloved church father says:



2) While it was not intended to be this way there are still some advantages in evil and suffering.
Fr. Seraphim Rose on "Why do men learn through pain and suffering, and not pleasure and happiness?":

Aside from this it also test us with giving up things for others, making sacrifices, showing courage, etc. For example, the Orthodox Church has said for centuries that a homeless beggar is a banker for the kingdom of God. St. Augustine of Hippo says:



3) Earth is our test and heaven is our true home:

One thing to note is that when a baby is given a fatal disease which is horribly sad and wrong there is one amazing thing. They are not guilty and will be going home sooner then others. They will meet with God and be in paradise.

4) God is all knowing, all good and has a plan.

To judge an all knowing and all good God's reasoning is to make yourself a fool. God's wisdom is forever beyond us and perfect. A quote that helps me understand is, "If I had God's power for a day I would change a lot of things but if I had his wisdom, I would change nothing.".

5) The Christian God is a suffering God:

Jesus came here and died brutally and painfully for our salvation. He was whipped with ropes that had blades, he was crucified, stabbed, spit on, humiliated and laughed at and to show his love even more he said during this "Father, forgive them for they not know what they do.". He understands us in our pain and has sympathy. Most importantly, he is always there to hold our hand and comfort us in the midst of our suffering.

This is it for now tell me if you have more questions im sorry this was so lazy and sometime we could call on discord and I could way easily describe things there

Those who are employed:

 

[ey88]

Alright sounds good


While I can't completely answer God's reasoning for the problem of evil and nor have any of the church fathers and saints attempted to give a definite answer there are some things that might help clear the air. I will bring up multiple points and use quotes from church fathers, saints and monks. Quick warning though this post will be very lazy since I'm exhuasted

1) the state humanity is in now was not how God created us and nor was it intended. How things are now is completely by our own doing:
St. Athanasius the Great our beloved church father says:



2) While it was not intended to be this way there are still some advantages in evil and suffering.
Fr. Seraphim Rose on "Why do men learn through pain and suffering, and not pleasure and happiness?":

Aside from this it also test us with giving up things for others, making sacrifices, showing courage, etc. For example, the Orthodox Church has said for centuries that a homeless beggar is a banker for the kingdom of God. St. Augustine of Hippo says:



3) Earth is our test and heaven is our true home:

One thing to note is that when a baby is given a fatal disease which is horribly sad and wrong there is one amazing thing. They are not guilty and will be going home sooner then others. They will meet with God and be in paradise.

4) God is all knowing, all good and has a plan.

To judge an all knowing and all good God's reasoning is to make yourself a fool. God's wisdom is forever beyond us and perfect. A quote that helps me understand is, "If I had God's power for a day I would change a lot of things but if I had his wisdom, I would change nothing.".

5) The Christian God is a suffering God:

Jesus came here and died brutally and painfully for our salvation. He was whipped with ropes that had blades, he was crucified, stabbed, spit on, humiliated and laughed at and to show his love even more he said during this "Father, forgive them for they not know what they do.". He understands us in our pain and has sympathy. Most importantly, he is always there to hold our hand and comfort us in the midst of our suffering.

This is it for now tell me if you have more questions im sorry this was so lazy and sometime we could call on discord and I could way easily describe things there

No evidence for anything you just said

 

[MarioTheGoat]

Sin is only infinite because God made it that way…tell me, how is that justifiable? It goes against a being that is infinite but it is an action commited by a finite, mortal being. He could change it whenever he wanted, but doesn’t, for whatever reason us humans can’t quantify i guess

God didn't make sin infinite, that just stupid to assume after the argument I gave you. Again, God loves us, but he is fair, for him to change it would be injustice, for those who committed atrocious acts. For example Ted Bundy, do you think that his actions are just fine and shouldn't be punish? Again, change of this would be unfairness, which God cannot do it, for it is against his nature, therefore breaking logic and himself. A scaler cannot be measured or changed even when in court, God is the ultimate Judge.


Whoever committed the acts/actions do no matter, if they are finite or infinite; look at the justice system, it has the death penalty, this means whoever committed an actions is deserved of death. Death is a complicated topic, but death still means that the person is no longer of the nature of changing; therefore, dying forever. This means that the punishment is supposed to be at least of: infinite punishment. However, this is for a finite crime. Do you see the problem? God forgives us for the sin, even tho it's infinite, but the justice system in this world does something classified as "infinite" for something finite, this truly shows how unfair the justice system is.

 

[Askeladd93270]

I have no arguments, only questions

Why are people born with incurable genetic diseases? For example, why is a baby born with a rare genetic disorder like cystic fibrosis?

You could argue original sin, but that begs the question, how could an omnibenevolent God allow such a terrible injustice to happen to an innocent being? It is their fault that one of their ancestors sinned thousands of years in the past? As a result of that original sin, they have to live a life of suffering? It makes zero logical sense and seems like needless malevolence

I don’t see how a God who allows something like that to happen

Evrything God do is for a reason That's a test to their family life is finite heaven is infinite when youre scared of death bc of infinite 0 conscious black screen imagine these ppl doing whatever they want in normal form for eternity they only suffered a grain of sand in this world compared to the time they will spend un heaven. Me personally I had doubts until all the random tiktoks I saw of random ppl proving Jesus christ is the only God and I saw a debunk yt video who complety cleared my doubts once and for all but unfortunately it's in french

 

[ngannou]

Nah God is real and that is Jesus Christ

 

[cromagnon]

God didn't make sin infinite, that just stupid to assume after the argument I gave you. Again, God loves us, but he is fair, for him to change it would be injustice, for those who committed atrocious acts. For example Ted Bundy, do you think that his actions are just fine and shouldn't be punish? Again, change of this would be unfairness, which God cannot do it, for it is against his nature, therefore breaking logic and himself. A scaler cannot be measured or changed even when in court, God is the ultimate Judge.


Whoever committed the acts/actions do no matter, if they are finite or infinite; look at the justice system, it has the death penalty, this means whoever committed an actions is deserved of death. Death is a complicated topic, but death still means that the person is no longer of the nature of changing; therefore, dying forever. This means that the punishment is supposed to be at least of: infinite punishment. However, this is for a finite crime. Do you see the problem? God forgives us for the sin, even tho it's infinite, but the justice system in this world does something classified as "infinite" for something finite, this truly shows how unfair the justice system is.

You just said sin was infinite because it’s an offense against an infinite being

 

[MarioTheGoat]

You just said sin was infinite because it’s an offense against an infinite being

Yes, so are you saying that the God is not infinite, or God should allow sin to slide?

An offense can be something against the rules.

 

[klopper]

No evidence for anything you just said

I was presupposing my religions theology lol

 

[xloks]

I wish God's grace could be real

I wish Jesus died for our sins

I wish we went to Heaven

But I know, rationally, that's all make believe

Something made up by humans who needed an explanation for why they were here, some sort of causation, and that was God

@ey88 @wishIwasSalludon

Well your in luck it is real Jesus is real God is real christianity is true heaven is real