If you are thinking about roiding read this thread.

[amir_syr]

Op, instead of shitting on people try and educate them, I like the idea of the thread and I think it has some truth to it honestly roids won't magically add 2 psl points like some people think but you can definitely use them to your advantage.

Roids can't change your facial structure that's genetic, but what roids can do in my opinion is amplify your structure and features, so I wouldn't really recommend someone with a bad starting point hop on roids right away before addressing basic stuff and trying basic softmaxx.

 

[zenox]

Roiding is worth it if you are a hyper responder, because your physique + bonemass + overall frame will improve significantly.


But the avg person probably won't ascend much from it tbh

How do you know if you are

 

[incliner]

what about peptides?

This is a continuation of my last thread regarding roids.

Bonesmashing doesn't work. Roiding doesn't change the facial structure.

Nobody had results with it, Loox doesn't count because he had other procedures done. Show me only one before and after of bonesmashing changing the face. I'm not saying it doesn't work because nobody had results with it, they don't work because the concept itself of "growing" the bone is flawed...

looksmax.org

Average thread nowadays:

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I'm seeing more and more users on here that want to roid for the purpose of enhancing their facial bones.

For most people that wouldn't even work, especially for the ones after 14/15.

The body has its own regulatory mechanisms that prevent any supraphysiological growth, even @Seth Walsh talked about that years ago. IGF-1's binding proteins prevent any excess growth for example.

There also isn't a single case where roiding really improved the facial bones, if IFBB pros that use grams of gear don't experience any facial bone growth do you think some beginner cycle could result in that?

Also no, it isn't worth a try. It is absolutely retarded to roid as you are exchanging your health, looks, money, time and effort for almost no ROI.

I'll explain each real risk below:

1. Health.​

Especially oral roids completely nuke your lipids and cardiovascular health, if you have any health condition you are fucked.

Also people on roids are only able to have daughters, give up your dream to raise a son already. You'll only have a daughter you'll feed and raise for 16 years, until she gets gangbanged by low iq subhumans.

There are tons of other side effects I won't even list, just look at the global causes of death and now multiply your chances of getting each single one of them by 100.

2. Looks.​

If you aren't using tons of ancillaries to prevent any side effects, which can also become costly fast, you fuck your looks too.

If you believe that hair is life, you should stay the fuck away from roids. No, if you are anything above NW1 Finasteride and Dutasteride won't be enough to save you afterwards. Roiding will accelerate your hair loss by a lot.

Not even speaking of the sides of inhibiting 5AR, your mental drive, penis development, erections and other physiological processes will be reduced or stunted. If you want to use 5ARIs later in life sure, but you really want to start using them that early?

3. Money.​

Most users don't have any money to spend in the first place, you'd need to invest atleast 200-300 bucks for a good cycle. Also coming off is pretty hard, you'd have to titrate dosages down for a few months depending on the compounds used, run a full PCT which has a lot of side effects too and pray your HPTA-Axis comes back to baseline.

Also the blood tests you have to do before, during and after a cycle can cost a lot too. Good luck financing that and explaining to your parents why you want to check your bloods every few months. The average cost of these blood tests can vary between 100-300$+ depending on what you want to check.

4. Time.​

Good luck trying to source everything in the first place and paying online with crypto, gymcelling 6+ times a week and researching the compounds you need to use. Spoiler: Most things you hear about roids are straight up wrong. If you aren't willing to research countless hours before injecting hormones into your body don't even think about starting.

Also better find a hiding spot for your roids, regarding the peptides you'd have to cool them in your fridge.

5. Effort.​

If you aren't planning to completely lock in with your diet and training don't go on this website at this point, most of these kids that want to start roids aren't even lean in the first place.

Good luck eating low calories sometimes, going to the gym 6 times a week even if you don't have the time, doing hard workouts and getting the work done for years. There is a reason why most gymcels on roids look like shit.

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Now you maybe asking yourself "Then what should I do instead?"

Train natty for a year and you don't have to worry about all this shit. After that year of training and lean bulking, just shred down to 8-10% bodyfat and you are pretty much "looksmaxxed". If you don't even want to do that, seriously don't think about roids.

Stop overcomplicating things, literally just get lean. It's one of the only things that actually make a difference.

Regarding facial bones the answer is simple: Just get either implants or osteotomies depending on your case.

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Spoiler: TL;DR

Read the thread faggot, you don't get high effort threads every day on here.
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[Calx]

any amount of exogenous androgens has a chance to permanantly fuck your hpta

of course the roids ur doing and the length of the cycle matter

if u do tren youre pretty much fucked

say goodbye to any natural T production and goodbye to your balls and sperm count

Even if you do a cycle with tren no matter how Long and how much u use hcg will its still be messed up? Maybe add on hmg

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ⠀]

honestly roids won't magically add 2 psl points like some people think but you can definitely use them to your advantage.

Roids can't change your facial structure that's genetic, but what roids can do in my opinion is amplify your structure and features, so I wouldn't really recommend someone with a bad starting point hop on roids right away before addressing basic stuff and trying basic softmaxx.

> Says roids don't change your facial structure
> Proceeds to say the opposite

Someone having a good bone structure in the first place doesn't indicate he will be able to amplify it with androgens, you could say the exact same about people with bad bone structures.

Your argument is flawed fundamentally.

How do you know if you are

Most people aren't, hyperresponders make up a really small fraction of the population.

Most "hyperresponders" are blessed with myostatin deficiencies during prenatal development causing excess muscle hyperplasia to begin with, you would notice if you had that.

what about peptides?

Peptides are a big category, obviously there are good and bad ones.

Roiding should only be done for the body halo.

 

[amir_syr]

> Says roids don't change your facial structure
> Proceeds to say the opposite

Someone having a good bone structure in the first place doesn't indicate he will be able to amplify it with androgens, you could say the exact same about people with bad bone structures.

Your argument is flawed fundamentally.

Most people aren't, hyperresponders make up a really small fraction of the population.

Most "hyperresponders" are blessed with myostatin deficiencies during prenatal development causing excess muscle hyperplasia to begin with, you would notice if you had that.

Peptides are a big category, obviously there are good and bad ones.

Roiding should only be done for the body halo.

I meant amplify as in grow the natural base structure but I do get what you mean, I think at least a trt dose would be good for people instead of having unstable natty test levels.

But wouldn't a person with an already good facial structure respond better? Correct me if I'm wrong but if he already has pretty good growth from his natural hormonal profile I'm pretty sure a boost would amplify (even at a very low extent) his facial Bone growth if he has any left? Not tryna argue just learn

 

[zenox]

Idk it

> Says roids don't change your facial structure
> Proceeds to say the opposite

Someone having a good bone structure in the first place doesn't indicate he will be able to amplify it with androgens, you could say the exact same about people with bad bone structures.

Your argument is flawed fundamentally.

Most people aren't, hyperresponders make up a really small fraction of the population.

Most "hyperresponders" are blessed with myostatin deficiencies during prenatal development causing excess muscle hyperplasia to begin with, you would notice if you had that.

Peptides are a big category, obviously there are good and bad ones.

Roiding should only be done for the body halo.

Idk it’s just that like I feel like I can gain and lose weight really easily and then shit in my body changes really quick I can’t explain it

 

[incliner]

okay but do

> Says roids don't change your facial structure
> Proceeds to say the opposite

Someone having a good bone structure in the first place doesn't indicate he will be able to amplify it with androgens, you could say the exact same about people with bad bone structures.

Your argument is flawed fundamentally.

Most people aren't, hyperresponders make up a really small fraction of the population.

Most "hyperresponders" are blessed with myostatin deficiencies during prenatal development causing excess muscle hyperplasia to begin with, you would notice if you had that.

Peptides are a big category, obviously there are good and bad ones.

Roiding should only be done for the body halo.

okay but does your statement about only having a daughter involve taking peptides too OR NO?