In your opinion who was the best Heavyweight boxer of all time (GOAT HW thread)

[TheTakeoverHasBegun]

I think it's a tie between Lennox and Fury. Holyfield was underrated asf too. @Gargantuan

Fury has no claim to being the best HW ever
He hasn't beat a single ATG HW

Actually, he did beat Wlad but Wlad was old as shit

I think Lennox will win in the hypothetical fight but it would be a tough fight with Fury’s size and IQ, but Fury has never fought anyone who is half the fighter Lewis was at his peak hard to say.

I don't think it would be a tough fight. Lennox is smarter, physically stronger than Fury, has all the skill and power needed, and he'll be coached by Steward. Easy win tbh

 

[TDTaykurso]

I think Lennox will win in the hypothetical fight but it would be a tough fight with Fury’s size and IQ, but Fury has never fought anyone who is half the fighter Lewis was at his peak hard to say.

not sure how, not even faster power punchers could find a way to take fury out for good, he's literally 6'9 HUGE, and weightbullies anyone (disagreeing is cope) he's gonna keep one two'ing and clinching lennix until he can break his jaw one way or another, he'd stand over him outbox him and find a way to take lennix out (no disrespect to lennix tho)

 

[TheTakeoverHasBegun]

god if someone 6'2 sent lennix to the shadow realm brutally, lights out, wouldnt like to know what 6'9 (better boxer, stronger, taller, unbreakable chin) would do to his ass at that time JFl.

He doesn't got the power to do that
Lennox also didn't even train properly for the fight against Rahkim (nigga was shooting Ocean's 11) and the McCall fight was pre-Steward Lennox, who was a flawed fighter.

 

[TDTaykurso]

Actually, he did beat Wlad but Wlad was old as shit

I don't think it would be a tough fight. Lennox is smarter, physically stronger than Fury, has all the skill and power needed, and he'll be coached by Steward. Easy win tbh

physically stronger is hilarious, tysons long ass jab is gonna keep lewis at bay, and he's gonna hit nice hooks on lennix's jaw it'll definetly shock lennix because people half tysons size and strength have sent lennix to the ABSOLUTE SHADOW REALM, not NORMAL KO, fucking UNCONCIOUSNESS, tyson fury has the insane willpower and insane build to take lennix out pretty effortlessly.

 

[TDTaykurso]

He doesn't got the power to do that
Lennox also didn't even train properly for the fight against Rahkim (nigga was shooting Ocean's 11) and the McCall fight was pre-Steward Lennox, who was a flawed fighter.

i've seen every fight video and fw him as a top 5, but i know him fighting tyson fury would end up a fucking violation for the reels JFL. respect to both tho.

 

[TDTaykurso]

He doesn't got the power to do that
Lennox also didn't even train properly for the fight against Rahkim (nigga was shooting Ocean's 11) and the McCall fight was pre-Steward Lennox, who was a flawed fighter.

top 5 but you can't make excuses for him, goats have the best run ever, no excuses, you're excusing his embarassing bitchings and putting his others on a pedestal, tyson fury has had pretty much the same amount and has NEVER been slumped to unconciousness, OR beaten, a goat for example is someone like floyd, if you've lost you can't call yourself goat NGL.

 

[TDTaykurso]

u can definetly avenge yo shit, n that can save your legacy, but if you lose? not sure u can say ur goat JFL. (especially in the brutal fashion he got taken out)

 

[TheTakeoverHasBegun]

physically stronger is hilarious

Fury has too much fat to be stronger than Lennox. He literally has no muscle

tysons long ass jab is gonna keep lewis at bay

Lennox jab is better

and he's gonna hit nice hooks on lennix's jaw it'll definetly shock lennix because people half tysons size and strength have sent lennix to the ABSOLUTE SHADOW REALM, not NORMAL KO, fucking UNCONCIOUSNESS, tyson fury has the insane willpower and insane build to take lennix out pretty effortlessly

Wishful thinking

i've seen every fight video and fw him as a top 5, but i know him fighting tyson fury would end up a fucking violation for the reels JFL. respect to both tho.

Lennox does him like this

 

[TDTaykurso]

Fury has too much fat to be stronger than Lennox. He literally has no muscle

Lennox jab is better

Wishful thinking

Lennox does him like this

definetly agree a loss can be excusable if you've lost in ur first 10 fights, anything after that is inexcusable, he got literally KO'd to sleep midway or FURTHER in his career, kudos on him avenging it but he's definetly not GOAT after that

 

[TheTakeoverHasBegun]

definetly agree a loss can be excusable if you've lost in ur first 10 fights, anything after that is inexcusable, he got literally KO'd to sleep midway or FURTHER in his career, kudos on him avenging it but he's definetly not GOAT after that

Nigga this isn't how combat sports work
When the best fight the best losses are going to happen
Fury is literally ducking Usyk because he fears losing to him
He would probably duck Lennox too because Lennox shits on Usyk
And Lennox isn't the GOAT because there's other HW's with better resumes

 

[TDTaykurso]

Nigga this isn't how combat sports work
When the best fight the best losses are going to happen
Fury is literally ducking Usyk because he fears losing to him
He would probably duck Lennox too because Lennox shits on Usyk
And Lennox isn't the GOAT because there's other HW's with better resumes

if u think usyk is gonna beat fury that's insane cope, actually now that i think about it there probably ISNT a hw that can beat ALL hws that have ever existed, styles can alter a fight insanely, but if i were to put my life on it for the best chances i'd put all my lifechips on Tyson Fury to beat mostly everyone, (if not everyone)

 

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[TheTakeoverHasBegun]

if u think usyk is gonna beat fury that's insane cope, actually now that i think about it there probably ISNT a hw that can beat ALL hws that have ever existed, styles can alter a fight insanely, but if i were to put my life on it for the best chances i'd put all my lifechips on Tyson Fury to beat mostly everyone, (if not everyone)

Fury needs to stop being bitch made and fight that ugly Ukrainian

 

[TDTaykurso]

Fury needs to stop being bitch made and fight that ugly Ukrainian

definetly gonna ping this shit back to life after fury kills ngannou, and then exposes usyk JFL.

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

Laughable

Holyfield and Lewis sparked Tyson and yet you rank him?
”Prime” isnt an argument either. When a fighter wins = peak condition/ When they lose = compromised? Nice arbitrary way to circle jerk your favorite athletes.

I will criclejerk Tyson as much as the next guy but the reality is he got his head jabbed off by Buster Douglas, who reverted to fundamentals to take Tysons record.

Most UFC heavyweights could likely beat these HW boxers, Id say francis ngannou, jon jones or derrick lewis have the capability of ending a street fight with one single jab.

Giga cope. I doubt any of these fighters would win any boxer in straight striking match, kicking included. Ngannou might be able to wrestle fuck some of the HW goats, and Jones would kill any man that has ever lived. But Lewis gets executed.
Many of the smaller MMA fighters would fuck up boxers in their weight class(Yair, Fiziev, Adesanya)

when tyson fury fights ngannou you're gonna see how slow he is, and fury is gonna fuck his ass up (obviously) but you're gonna see what ngannou looks like, vs what prime tyson looked like, i'd say mike tyson has the best chance of beating Tyson Fury, but i'd still put my life savings and car on fury weightbullying and knocking out mike.

Tyson Fury would style on Mike Tyson hard. Wouldn’t even be competitive.
He’s not the GOAT due to better resumes out there but he’d probably beat any boxer that has competed

 

[TheTakeoverHasBegun]

Many of the smaller MMA fighters would fuck up boxers in their weight class(Yair, Fiziev, Adesanya)

They absolutely would not unless you're talking in a street fight which you probably are

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

They absolutely would not unless you're talking in a street fight which you probably are

Pure striking
Like traditional Muay Thai. HW boxers would clown any UFC HW fighter in striking

 

[ReadBooksEveryday]

It's Ali or Louis. They have the two best resumes in the division by a mile. Every other pick just hinges on favoritism and complete lack of knowledge.

Muhammad Ali. Dominated Liston, Beat Frazier twice, and KO'd Foreman
Tyson can't be the best because he lost to Holyfield and Liston
Marciano has a good case but his resume doesn't stack up to Ali's
Fury hasn't fought Usyk or Joshua yet

Ali because he got sturdy in the ring tbh

High IQ
Ali is the undisputed answer

Ali's boxing record is unimaginely unmoggable

This is George Foreman's record. His first loss he ever sustained in 8 years of boxing was to Ali. George was in his absolute primes, Ali was nearing his 40s. And he destroyed him like no tomorrow. Foreman could have easily selected and handpicked his opponents like Floyd and reached the goat...

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[TheTakeoverHasBegun]

High IQ
Ali is the undisputed answer

Ali's boxing record is unimaginely unmoggable

This is George Foreman's record. His first loss he ever sustained in 8 years of boxing was to Ali. George was in his absolute primes, Ali was nearing his 40s. And he destroyed him like no tomorrow. Foreman could have easily selected and handpicked his opponents like Floyd and reached the goat...

looksmax.org

Ali beat 3 ATG heavies in their prime (Foreman, Liston and Frazier) and then beat all the other top contenders in his era facing all types of different styles and when he was physically and mentally declining as well. No other HW has a resume like that. Ali is the second best boxer of all-time only bested by the GOAT Sugar Ray Robinson

 

[TheTakeoverHasBegun]

Pure striking
Like traditional Muay Thai. HW boxers would clown any UFC HW fighter in striking

Muay Thai is a mogger sport
So is kick-boxing

 

[Gargantuan]

I think it's a tie between Lennox and Fury. Holyfield was underrated asf too. @Gargantuan

Good shout, it's Lennox Lewis all day for me.

Olympic gold medalist
Remains the last undisputed champ at heavyweight to this day
Beat every man he ever faced in the ring
6'5, 84'' reach, 250 lbs strong as an ox, very athletic, high fight IQ, good stamina and great heart as well
Had one of the best jabs ever but could also fight up close on the inside and turn it into a dogfight
Was the best heavyweight of his generation, which was arguably the strongest era in the history of the division
Has one of the best resumes ever (Klitschko, Tyson, Rahman, Tua, Holyfield, Briggs, McCall, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno & Ruddock)

 

[TDTaykurso]

"ali goat" but that nigga has been smoked and humiliated like a hoe more times then i can count on my hand JFL

 

[Shrekguy3838]

Lol no George Foreman stomps him, Sonny Liston got knocked out first round by Ali



You don't know shit about boxing George Foreman had more potential than everyone else

Dnr liston jab literally tore his opponent headgear apart and 3 teeth fell out while his opponent was wearing a mouthguard (liston was using a 20oz glove)

 

[MonoTBB]

In my opinion the best and the one who had the most potential but never got to actually reach his peak/prime is Sonny Liston.

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He was 6'1 tall 212lbs and had a ridicilous 7'1 reach/wingspan

not just that but he had 16 inch hands...


If you watched his fights he has more stopping power than deontay wilder if you take into the fact that boxing gloves back then had worse cushioning and more soft padding to not injure the opponents then current day boxing gloves.

Williams has most potential imo but best idk maybe Ray Robinson or Lennox Lewis