True. Flared gonion is a striking feature aka halo. Even if you don't have them other features can carry you. But a narrow jaw is definitely a failo.
Does the 3rd guy on the right has straight gonions?
Does invisalign help with this?Gonial eversion: At gonion, male crania tend to have rugose muscle attachments that curve outward, or evert from the surface of the mandible. Females more often lack this eversion or may even invert toward the midline.
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a) inverted (inward gonions commonly found in females) b) straight (neutral) c) everted (aka outward flaring gonions ideal for males)
When I talk about the gonions this is what I mean
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So the ideal gonions would be something like this
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Your gonions would be tilted inwards, straight, or outwards
Here are some examples
Inward Gonions:
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Outward Gonions:
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Inward vs Outward Gonions:
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As you can see outward gonions make the jaw look more angular and add definition to the lower third.
Inward gonions are the reason a jaw looks rounded in a men despite being low body fat and not every men can look good with them
If you show me 100 gl guys I can guarantee you 70-80 will have outward gonions. Literally a slayer trait.
I would argue bigonial width is more important than ramus length and gonial angle, because it determines lower jaw width and can make or break a front profile.
Who cares if your maxilla is forward-grown and your ramus long if your lower jaw looks subhuman from the front due to low bgw in relation to the interzygomatic width?
In fact, a long ramus makes someone with low bgw look worse and the mandible appear even smaller/narrower due to inward-tilt of the gonions.
So, how do we fix this?
Well, there’s a few options
1) Imdo is a 3 dimensional jaw surgery and can help a little bit.
It’s hard to find front results but as you can see his gonions improved, I would say it isn’t good for a men but still an improvement.
2) Bimax
From what I know bsso can fix some @SixCRY @Acromegaly_Chad thoughts?
3) Side wing is another option to fix the inward gonions
4) and in my opinion the best option jaw implants are the best option to fix it.
I saw that Prof.Salier always use jaw angle implant with double jaw, bsso so a combination of both surgeries can help.
5) Growing a beard and making the masseters bigger can help to an extent but won't make the face look ideal from the front.
Fillers can be used too but are quite expensive long-term and won't last long
@Kingkellz @AscendingHero @Purefxrm @thecel
Coping too hard with this one cheif.
I think that zygo and chin are more important than jaw, obviously it's important to have a visible jaw, gonion are not so much relevantGonial eversion: At gonion, male crania tend to have rugose muscle attachments that curve outward, or evert from the surface of the mandible. Females more often lack this eversion or may even invert toward the midline.
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a) inverted (inward gonions commonly found in females) b) straight (neutral) c) everted (aka outward flaring gonions ideal for males)
When I talk about the gonions this is what I mean
View attachment 1321222
So the ideal gonions would be something like this
View attachment 1321227
Your gonions would be tilted inwards, straight, or outwards
Here are some examples
Inward Gonions:
View attachment 1321234
Outward Gonions:
View attachment 1321236
Inward vs Outward Gonions:
View attachment 1372399
As you can see outward gonions make the jaw look more angular and add definition to the lower third.
Inward gonions are the reason a jaw looks rounded in a men despite being low body fat and not every men can look good with them
If you show me 100 gl guys I can guarantee you 70-80 will have outward gonions. Literally a slayer trait.
I would argue bigonial width is more important than ramus length and gonial angle, because it determines lower jaw width and can make or break a front profile.
Who cares if your maxilla is forward-grown and your ramus long if your lower jaw looks subhuman from the front due to low bgw in relation to the interzygomatic width?
In fact, a long ramus makes someone with low bgw look worse and the mandible appear even smaller/narrower due to inward-tilt of the gonions.
So, how do we fix this?
Well, there’s a few options
1) Imdo is a 3 dimensional jaw surgery and can help a little bit.
It’s hard to find front results but as you can see his gonions improved, I would say it isn’t good for a men but still an improvement.
2) Bimax
From what I know bsso can fix some @SixCRY @Acromegaly_Chad thoughts?
3) Side wing is another option to fix the inward gonions
4) and in my opinion the best option jaw implants are the best option to fix it.
I saw that Prof.Salier always use jaw angle implant with double jaw, bsso so a combination of both surgeries can help.
5) Growing a beard and making the masseters bigger can help to an extent but won't make the face look ideal from the front.
Fillers can be used too but are quite expensive long-term and won't last long
@Kingkellz @AscendingHero @Purefxrm @thecel
My biggest failo along my eyes. I can drop bodyfat but still look Like shitGonial eversion: At gonion, male crania tend to have rugose muscle attachments that curve outward, or evert from the surface of the mandible. Females more often lack this eversion or may even invert toward the midline.
View attachment 1372398
View attachment 1372402
a) inverted (inward gonions commonly found in females) b) straight (neutral) c) everted (aka outward flaring gonions ideal for males)
When I talk about the gonions this is what I mean
View attachment 1321222
So the ideal gonions would be something like this
View attachment 1321227
Your gonions would be tilted inwards, straight, or outwards
Here are some examples
Inward Gonions:
View attachment 1321234
Outward Gonions:
View attachment 1321236
Inward vs Outward Gonions:
View attachment 1372399
As you can see outward gonions make the jaw look more angular and add definition to the lower third.
Inward gonions are the reason a jaw looks rounded in a men despite being low body fat and not every men can look good with them
If you show me 100 gl guys I can guarantee you 70-80 will have outward gonions. Literally a slayer trait.
I would argue bigonial width is more important than ramus length and gonial angle, because it determines lower jaw width and can make or break a front profile.
Who cares if your maxilla is forward-grown and your ramus long if your lower jaw looks subhuman from the front due to low bgw in relation to the interzygomatic width?
In fact, a long ramus makes someone with low bgw look worse and the mandible appear even smaller/narrower due to inward-tilt of the gonions.
So, how do we fix this?
Well, there’s a few options
1) Imdo is a 3 dimensional jaw surgery and can help a little bit.
It’s hard to find front results but as you can see his gonions improved, I would say it isn’t good for a men but still an improvement.
2) Bimax
From what I know bsso can fix some @SixCRY @Acromegaly_Chad thoughts?
3) Side wing is another option to fix the inward gonions
4) and in my opinion the best option jaw implants are the best option to fix it.
I saw that Prof.Salier always use jaw angle implant with double jaw, bsso so a combination of both surgeries can help.
5) Growing a beard and making the masseters bigger can help to an extent but won't make the face look ideal from the front.
Fillers can be used too but are quite expensive long-term and won't last long
@Kingkellz @AscendingHero @Purefxrm @thecel
Varun mogsTrue. Flared gonion is a striking feature aka halo. Even if you don't have them other features can carry you. But a narrow jaw is definitely a failo.
Chris Hemsworth doesn't have flared gonions
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Meanwhile
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Guy in your avi mogged him hard in Student of the year
Sid Malhotra is like the handsomest man to have existed since history of mankind. It's an unfair comparison.
another small detail to be depressed aboutGonial eversion: At gonion, male crania tend to have rugose muscle attachments that curve outward, or evert from the surface of the mandible. Females more often lack this eversion or may even invert toward the midline.
View attachment 1372398
View attachment 1372402
a) inverted (inward gonions commonly found in females) b) straight (neutral) c) everted (aka outward flaring gonions ideal for males)
When I talk about the gonions this is what I mean
View attachment 1321222
So the ideal gonions would be something like this
View attachment 1321227
Your gonions would be tilted inwards, straight, or outwards
Here are some examples
Inward Gonions:
View attachment 1321234
Outward Gonions:
View attachment 1321236
Inward vs Outward Gonions:
View attachment 1372399
As you can see outward gonions make the jaw look more angular and add definition to the lower third.
Inward gonions are the reason a jaw looks rounded in a men despite being low body fat and not every men can look good with them
If you show me 100 gl guys I can guarantee you 70-80 will have outward gonions. Literally a slayer trait.
I would argue bigonial width is more important than ramus length and gonial angle, because it determines lower jaw width and can make or break a front profile.
Who cares if your maxilla is forward-grown and your ramus long if your lower jaw looks subhuman from the front due to low bgw in relation to the interzygomatic width?
In fact, a long ramus makes someone with low bgw look worse and the mandible appear even smaller/narrower due to inward-tilt of the gonions.
So, how do we fix this?
Well, there’s a few options
1) Imdo is a 3 dimensional jaw surgery and can help a little bit.
It’s hard to find front results but as you can see his gonions improved, I would say it isn’t good for a men but still an improvement.
2) Bimax
From what I know bsso can fix some @SixCRY @Acromegaly_Chad thoughts?
3) Side wing is another option to fix the inward gonions
4) and in my opinion the best option jaw implants are the best option to fix it.
I saw that Prof.Salier always use jaw angle implant with double jaw, bsso so a combination of both surgeries can help.
5) Growing a beard and making the masseters bigger can help to an extent but won't make the face look ideal from the front.
Fillers can be used too but are quite expensive long-term and won't last long
@Kingkellz @AscendingHero @Purefxrm @thecel
How does having an overbite/overjet result in inward gonions bro?
Beautiful threadGonial eversion: At gonion, male crania tend to have rugose muscle attachments that curve outward, or evert from the surface of the mandible. Females more often lack this eversion or may even invert toward the midline.
View attachment 1372398
View attachment 1372402
a) inverted (inward gonions commonly found in females) b) straight (neutral) c) everted (aka outward flaring gonions ideal for males)
When I talk about the gonions this is what I mean
View attachment 1321222
So the ideal gonions would be something like this
View attachment 1321227
Your gonions would be tilted inwards, straight, or outwards
Here are some examples
Inward Gonions:
View attachment 1321234
Outward Gonions:
View attachment 1321236
Inward vs Outward Gonions:
View attachment 1372399
As you can see outward gonions make the jaw look more angular and add definition to the lower third.
Inward gonions are the reason a jaw looks rounded in a men despite being low body fat and not every men can look good with them
If you show me 100 gl guys I can guarantee you 70-80 will have outward gonions. Literally a slayer trait.
I would argue bigonial width is more important than ramus length and gonial angle, because it determines lower jaw width and can make or break a front profile.
Who cares if your maxilla is forward-grown and your ramus long if your lower jaw looks subhuman from the front due to low bgw in relation to the interzygomatic width?
In fact, a long ramus makes someone with low bgw look worse and the mandible appear even smaller/narrower due to inward-tilt of the gonions.
So, how do we fix this?
Well, there’s a few options
1) Imdo is a 3 dimensional jaw surgery and can help a little bit.
It’s hard to find front results but as you can see his gonions improved, I would say it isn’t good for a men but still an improvement.
2) Bimax
From what I know bsso can fix some @SixCRY @Acromegaly_Chad thoughts?
3) Side wing is another option to fix the inward gonions
4) and in my opinion the best option jaw implants are the best option to fix it.
I saw that Prof.Salier always use jaw angle implant with double jaw, bsso so a combination of both surgeries can help.
5) Growing a beard and making the masseters bigger can help to an extent but won't make the face look ideal from the front.
Fillers can be used too but are quite expensive long-term and won't last long
@Kingkellz @AscendingHero @Purefxrm @thecel
I would say it applies more to overjet cases sometimes it doesn’t allow the mandible to have enough space, specially if you’re lacking height in your jaw creating an illusion it is shorter both in height and width, if you suffer from this or know guys in the forum when you jut you’re jaw you’ll see how your jaw looks with more height and width and making your gonions more straight/outwards.
You better get Imdo before 20 ngl I’ve talk to the guy who created and usually if you’re over 20 you don’t make the cut unfortunately and have to go with bimax and jaw angle implants.
Lifefuel i got ages before 20. Still gotta move quick.Approximately how much gonial flare was induced by this?
So how would we address the mid-mandible part?
About the gonial flare this was the patient
Approximately how much gonial flare was induced by this?
So how would we address the mid-mandible part?
how would the mid mandible shape/look like ideally in a chad mandible?
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Yea that's one of the best mandible IMDO transformations i've senAbout the gonial flare this was the patient
I sent those pics to Preston a couple of months agoRate IMDO result
About the mid mandible
mid mandible widening isn’t preferred anyway, you want wide gonions and narrow mid mandible with a tall and wide chin. classic caucasoid skull trait
Like vinnie hacker for example. That’s how you mid mandible could look post imdo
Can you show more examples? Can this be achieved by ccw bimax with 8-9mm bsso?
I will kill myself
You don’tI have flared
Your gonions are inverted. You’re done
I will get Ramus widening
Does that make gonions outwards? Show me pic
I cannot share the picture but ye it rotates the gonions outwards, makes the ramus wider etc.
slight recessed but not birdcelness= normal for whites
What’s the solution to this?
Ideally Imdo is the best way to fix it unfortunately it has a age limitation but if you’re not a candidate bimax could be enough but some people gonions are so fucked that they need jaw angle implants on top of that
I’m too old for imdo.... how could bimax flare the gonions? What about ramus widening?
Yeah there’s a bimax movements that widen the ramus and helps the gonions to improve
125-115 IS IDEAL
im 120115 is too low and causes a short chin. Ideal jaw is in between 125-130 degrees because that gives optimal chin height and proportional ramus lenght compared to the mandible body:
I pm you bro
