Life without religion is great

[Gaygymmaxx]

As someone who went from christian to agnostic, i can say 100% it was one of the best decisions for my mental health.
When I was a christian, i feel like I was restricted to doing things I love doing. the question of "Is this a sin" or "am i going to hell for doing this" weighed me down heavily. After sinning I felt like shit and I would constantly question whether if im good enough or if im not taking my faith serious enough. The constant fear of going to hell and about immortality really took a toll on me, I was scared of living practically. I finally ended up giving in and leaving a set religion. And living life without religion is great. I feel like the whole thought of religion is too complicated, people dedicate their whole lives to being one set religion when I believe their is more to life then that. Imagine being born just to dedicate your whole life to the person who created you. Sounds a bit overkill don't you think? I feel as if now religion is all about who sins the less even though sinning is a natural human element.
I still believe in a God though, or one atleast. I believe there are too many coincidences that have happened in our existence and too many unsolved questions about our existence

Add on- I also feel as if the idea of the closer human to God. ETC a priest is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. I do not believe a single human being is closer to God. I do not believe their should be ranks in the church. I do not believe a single human has more authority over another or religion rite.

The constant fear of morality?

Nigga are you killing people? Beating peoples ass

Fear of hell has never concerned me, my primary #/trait is kindness and morality so I hardly worry about this although I didn't know that until age 18

But elaborate

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Lately I've been thinking it'd be ideal for me to vividly believe as I could visualize an entity ashamed of me for being a bum, God would look at me with pity and have his distance, in my worldview laziness is a sin like any other

It's murder and shit that will forsaken you

I can't imagine in a God who'd punish you eternally for a slow day... the punishment finds you in the real world, the consequences for your actions, and the lack of results proportional to the work ethic.

My religion perhaps more accurately is the belief in karma, with God as more of a system and us as the smallest pieces of it.

Perhaps... one could say...

Spoiler

I'm JOKERPILLED!

 

[mayo mogger]

If you tolerate everything then you stand for nothing

-bald mutt

 

[lifeless]

The constant fear of morality?

Nigga are you killing people? Beating peoples ass

Fear of hell has never concerned me, my primary #/trait is kindness and morality so I hardly worry about this although I didn't know that until age 18

But elaborate

Haha, no. I do (semi) fear the afterlife.
The question is. Is kindness enough to get you into paradise?
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
"those who do not know God and those who will not obey the gospel of Christ will be punished with everlasting destruction. In short, all sinners who choose to remain in their sin will be found in hell."

 

[Deleted member 91301]

Sorry, i didnt see the mention in my alrets.



Firstly, i wanna start by saying that you dont go to hell by sinning, Christ bled and died on the cross to save you from hell, in the Bible (idk what verse) it says that your past, present and future sins are forgiven, so God already knows you sinned and forgave you. There is no unforgivable sin you can do, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which you can't do anymore since you dont live when Christ lived. Then you might ask "then why do we pray“ well take it like this: if i hit someone but they forgive me i should still want to say sorry, right?. So by praying you want to ask God if he can do something for you and if it would be good for you he will grant the wish, or saying thanks, or saying sorry. As for questioning if you are good enough, Christ will always forgive you, dont worry.

Also you aren't dedicating your life to the person who created you, God created us, told us not to sin but we still went ahead and betrayed him, after all you cant even count how many times you sinned trouough your life but yet Christ still loves you.

@lifeless

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Haha, no. I do (semi) fear the afterlife.
The question is. Is kindness enough to get you into paradise?

I just implied that laziness was a sin and ungodly, of course that isn't my opinion

 

[urukhaiascension]

Someone not believing in there religion
devil!1!1!

God has established some rules so that you can behave like a civilized and rational person. Look, those Western women who deny God have become succubi of the devil. We are subjects of God, obey him and everything will go well in your life.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

The cope is real

You haven’t addressed or even refuted any of my points you even admitted you know nothing of the religion and just made up what you thought it was and your response is “Cope” you and @underdog are truly retarded

Continue creating your own spins on religions and God you absolute idiot

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Lately I've been thinking it'd be ideal for me to vividly believe as I could visualize an entity ashamed of me for being a bum, God would look at me with pity and have his distance, in my worldview laziness is a sin like any other

It's murder and shit that will forsaken you

I can't imagine in a God who'd punish you eternally for a slow day... the punishment finds you in the real world, the consequences for your actions, and the lack of results proportional to the work ethic.

My religion perhaps more accurately is the belief in karma, with God as more of a system and us as the smallest pieces of it.

Perhaps... one could say...

Spoiler

I'm JOKERPILLED!
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I’m naturally lazy due to my unmediated ADHD, I have also ran out of steam having applied to jobs for a few months. god understands my situation and gets why I cope so much with video games, he gets it completely even if he isn’t happy with it but games are fun

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I just implied that laziness was a sin and ungodly, of course that isn't my opinion

Haha, no. I do (semi) fear the afterlife.
The question is. Is kindness enough to get you into paradise?
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
"those who do not know God and those who will not obey the gospel of Christ will be punished with everlasting destruction. In short, all sinners who choose to remain in their sin will be found in hell."

PLEASE READ THIS ITS IMPORTANT AND ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS ON “hell” and “2 Thessalonians” OR AT LEAST READ THE BOLD

Essentially the term “eternal destruction” (Greek: olethros aiōnios) does not necessarily imply annihilation. Instead, it signifies a state of being eternally outside the presence of God’s love and glory, which is the natural consequence of rejecting communion with Him.


This “punishment” is not an arbitrary act of vengeance by God. Rather, it is the result of the individual’s free will to reject God’s love and life. God respects human freedom so much that He allows those who choose separation from Him to experience the absence of His glory as “destruction.”



Saint John Chrysostom

On “Eternal Destruction”:

Saint John Chrysostom emphasizes that the phrase (2 Thessalonians 1:9) does not refer to annihilation but a conscious and eternal state of separation from God’s glory.

“The punishment is not an act of vengeance, but a condition brought about by their own unwillingness to partake of God’s life and grace.”

Saint Gregory of Nyssa

The Nature of Hell:

Saint Gregory describes hell not as a physical place but as a state of the soul that refuses to align with God’s will. For him, the “eternal exile” mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 reflects a soul’s inability to perceive God’s love as anything but torment.


*“God remains light to those who love Him, but for those who hate Him, He becomes fire.”

 

[King Solomon]

Cope, denial of the truth isn't going to improve one's life.

 

[lifeless]

God has established some rules so that you can behave like a civilized and rational person. Look, those Western women who deny God have become succubi of the devil. We are subjects of God, obey him and everything will go well in your life.

“Succubi of the devil”
i cringed

 

[lifeless]

Cope, denial of the truth isn't going to improve one's life.

But it made mine better..? are you stupid

 

[lifeless]

> Religion is cope
Leaves religion to cope and feel better

There is nothing to cope for, life is meaningless and death is enviable. That’s why I left. How am I coping? please enlighten me

 

[lifeless]

"Life without religion is great"
You speak of how you couldn't bear certain aspects of your religious belief. Clearly leaving helped you cope

“certain aspects” right..
Cope≠Improving Life
You can’t cope for something you don’t believe exists

 

[Averagecel]

Get a life dude

 

[Deleted member 91301]

You haven’t addressed or even refuted any of my points you even admitted you know nothing of the religion and just made up what you thought it was and your response is “Cope” you and @underdog are truly retarded

Continue creating your own spins on religions and God you absolute idiot

What points nigga???

 

[lifeless]

Get a life dude

You’ve commented under this thread like 3 times and i’ve ignored you every single time

 

[Deleted member 91301]

You haven’t addressed or even refuted any of my points you even admitted you know nothing of the religion and just made up what you thought it was and your response is “Cope” you and @underdog are truly retarded

Continue creating your own spins on religions and God you absolute idiot

I don't understand, are you an atheist trying to shit on Christians or are you a Christian trying to help that guy?, if i said anything thats not true just tell me, it was an accident. Im fairly new to Christianity and dont know everything boyo

 

[Averagecel]

I don't understand, are you an atheist trying to shit on Christians or are you a Christian trying to help that guy?, if i said anything thats not true just tell me, it was an accident. Im fairly new to Christianity and dont know everything boyo

Dw bro that guy @PrinceLuenLeoncur is a blackcel who thinks Jesus was black lol

I'm also new to Christianity, so welcome to the club. The best users to ask about our religion are @org3cel.RR and @King Solomon

That princess guy is a narcissist, don't waste time with him

 

[Averagecel]

You’ve commented under this thread like 3 times and i’ve ignored you every single time

You're scared huh?

 

[Deleted member 91301]

Dw bro that guy @PrinceLuenLeoncur is a blackcel who thinks Jesus was black lol

I'm also new to Christianity, so welcome to the club. The best users to ask about our religion are @org3cel.RR and @King Solomon

That princess guy is a narcissist, don't waste time with him

Thank you!!!

 

[Averagecel]

Thank you!!!

You're welcome

 

[King Solomon]

Dw bro that guy @PrinceLuenLeoncur is a blackcel who thinks Jesus was black lol

I'm also new to Christianity, so welcome to the club. The best users to ask about our religion are @org3cel.RR and @King Solomon

That princess guy is a narcissist, don't waste time with him

LOL @PrinceLuenLeoncur being a we wuz Kangz N Sheit member. Did he ever provide any evidence to support his beliefs about the race of Jesus? I provided basically a small novel here https://looksmax.org/threads/these-...hey-can-enter-the-1-000-year-kingdom.1038992/ This inlcudes a vast majority of bible references on this matter, DNA, archeological discoveries, historical references outside the bible, cultural, countries flags, language, biblical prophecies and gifts, logic and reason, etc.

His only real response was the OP is retarded. I put down those responses in my OP's as posts from sub 70 IQ people. Things like COPE, 0, DNR, you're retarded, etc are all from sub 70 IQ people unless they're making the response in a sarcastic manner.

The main arguments of the fake black Israelites is Deut and the curses qhich I have easily eviserated, I have destroyed all their biblical passages they take out of context like the Revelation scripture on the appearance of Jesus, Lamentations 4:8 description of the Nazarenes, songs of Solomon description of Solomon and his partner at the time, etc. Their history starts in the 1800s when a random black dude came up qith the theory that they're the Israelites. Then in the 60's they started creating different groups that have different beliefs. Noq some of the groups include all the non Caucasians except the Asians/Indians to be Israelites. It's hysterical at best and pure evil at worst. You have to be a bible butcherer to make it sound as though blacks are the Israelites. Overall, it makes no logical sense either because blacks never invented the wheel or their own written language before the whites colonized them. They lived like savages for a vast majority of their existence before colonization and to this day the non colonized untouched villages still live like savages. This may sound harsh but it's completely factual. As is the fact that the black Africans on average have a 70 IQ. Lastly, they had no poqerfull nations or civiliazations qith kings and queens as God propheseid. A vast majority of Kings and Queens come from Europeans. They had tribes for the most part.

The fact is, they have no history so they must steal ours. They live in our nations as a minority so they'll always have an inferiority complex. The Edomites intentionally brought the African Slaves here to eventually collapse this nation from the inside out.

 

[Averagecel]

LOL @PrinceLuenLeoncur being a we wuz Kangz N Sheit member. Did he ever provide any evidence to support his beliefs about the race of Jesus? I provided basically a small novel here https://looksmax.org/threads/these-...hey-can-enter-the-1-000-year-kingdom.1038992/ This inlcudes a vast majority of bible references on this matter, DNA, archeological discoveries, historical references outside the bible, cultural, countries flags, language, biblical prophecies and gifts, logic and reason, etc.

His only real response was the OP is retarded. I put down those responses in my OP's as posts from sub 70 IQ people. Things like COPE, 0, DNR, you're retarded, etc are all from sub 70 IQ people unless they're making the response in a sarcastic manner.

The main arguments of the fake black Israelites is Deut and the curses qhich I have easily eviserated, I have destroyed all their biblical passages they take out of context like the Revelation scripture on the appearance of Jesus, Lamentations 4:8 description of the Nazarenes, songs of Solomon description of Solomon and his partner at the time, etc. Their history starts in the 1800s when a random black dude came up qith the theory that they're the Israelites. Then in the 60's they started creating different groups that have different beliefs. Noq some of the groups include all the non Caucasians except the Asians/Indians to be Israelites. It's hysterical at best and pure evil at worst. You have to be a bible butcherer to make it sound as though blacks are the Israelites. Overall, it makes no logical sense either because blacks never invented the wheel or their own written language before the whites colonized them. They lived like savages for a vast majority of their existence before colonization and to this day the non colonized untouched villages still live like savages. This may sound harsh but it's completely factual. As is the fact that the black Africans on average have a 70 IQ. Lastly, they had no poqerfull nations or civiliazations qith kings and queens as God propheseid. A vast majority of Kings and Queens come from Europeans. They had tribes for the most part.

The fact is, they have no history so they must steal ours. They live in our nations as a minority so they'll always have an inferiority complex. The Edomites intentionally brought the African Slaves here to eventually collapse this nation from the inside out.

You're really doing God's work by exposing the ethnicels and spreading the truth. That thread of the real chosen people should be pinned in the "Best of the Best" section, it's a shame that it hasn't been moved there yet. The mods are influenced by the Edomites there's no doubt about it. The truth will always prevail anyway so dw, the world will bow down to Jesus and see the Truth for themself.

 

[King Solomon]

But it made mine better..? are you stupid

So does sex, temporarily it makes you feel amazing. In the end your soul is base reality as it's your eternal body and this body is only temporary as is this physical world. I too had my life improve temporarily by leaving my faith. The problem is most people are in religions like Catholicism that's not true Christianity so they don't even get to hear the truth.

This is why after my life started to unravel as an atheist and no amount of sex, success, money ever fulfilled me it just left me more thirsty and I found that through Christ I would never go thirsty again.

I've been an catholic for the first 18 years of my life then a strict atheist doing everything I could to disprove Christians and fulfill my every desire for 10 years. Then I became agnostic for a couple years, a Buddhist for 1 year then back to Christianity but non denominational for the last 8 years. I've found the more I've committed to GOD while working towards a better eternal life, the more my prayers have been answered and the better my physical life has become.

One could go the opposite direction and completely sell your soul to the devil (don't even have to believe in him or GOD). This contract can give you any fleshly desire you have and provide instant gratification. The question is for what is it to gain the whole world but lose your soul (eternal salvation)? Is it worth it to have temporary fame, fortune, sex, pleasures, resources, power, anything your heart desires just to lose your salvation and be permanently cut away from the divine creator. I'm not saying that's your goal but most people believe a good life is all these temporary gratification things and resources as equating to a great life so y not sell out for all these things if it requires no religion or faith? If you no longer truly believe then you may as qell sell your soul you don't believe exists to live your best life possible during this short term existence called life.

 

[King Solomon]

You're really doing God's work by exposing the ethnicels and spreading the truth. That thread of the real chosen people should be pinned in the "Best of the Best" section, it's a shame that it hasn't been moved there yet. The mods are influenced by the Edomites there's no doubt about it. The truth will always prevail anyway so dw, the world will bow down to Jesus and see the Truth for themself.

Do you know who the mods are? I've never asked directly to have any of my posts pinned but I wouldn't mind it if they at least pinned one of them. They might be kangz themselves so they may have a bias against this topic.

Do you think it would be beneficial to have a thread just for debunking the Kangz arguments? say eviscerating their top 10 arguments for the Israelites being black? Not to mock or make fun of them but to cut down their illogical and overall erroneous arguments.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Dw bro that guy @PrinceLuenLeoncur is a blackcel who thinks Jesus was black lol

I'm also new to Christianity, so welcome to the club. The best users to ask about our religion are @org3cel.RR and @King Solomon

That princess guy is a narcissist, don't waste time with him

Ok first off who tf are you? Most irrelevant user ever

Secondly I never ONCE SAId Jesus was “black” never insinuated this never stated this NOR DO I THINK THIS. Don’t put words in my mouth you irrelevant insect. JESUS WAS PALESTINIAN JEW WHICH WOULD HAD LOOKED LIKE YOUR TYPICAL ARAB (yes he was a Jew but pheno wise he’d look like an “Arab”)

You are not Christian you are a son of your father THE DEVIL

@Underdog9494 @org3cel.RR


If you want any knowledge of Christianity im the one to ask this is literally form knowledge at this point EVEN THE Muslims know this @Gengar @SecularIslamist @yeeyeeslayer @shia.jihadist you see this is why I want you Muslims to invade the west, these white people are traitors to the highest degree and deserve nothing but to be under sharia law

@PsychoH @Thebuffdon690 i know you 2 are different but the rest of your kind have issues and are “Cooked” as seen in this thread they’d rather listen to @King Solomon the gnostic conspiracy theorist nut job than the most knowledgeable evangelist who debates people irl on religious matters on this site. This is what we have to deal with

 

[Org3cel]

Ok first off who tf are you? Most irrelevant user ever

Secondly I never ONCE SAId Jesus was “black” never insinuated this never stated this NOR DO I THINK THIS. Don’t put words in my mouth you irrelevant insect. JESUS WAS PALESTINIAN JEW WHICH WOULD HAD LOOKED LIKE YOUR TYPICAL ARAB (yes he was a Jew but pheno wise he’d look like an “Arab”)

You are not Christian you are a son of your father THE DEVIL

@Underdog9494 @org3cel.RR


If you want any knowledge of Christianity im the one to ask this is literally form knowledge at this point EVEN THE Muslims know this @Gengar @SecularIslamist @yeeyeeslayer @shia.jihadist you see this is why I want you Muslims to invade the west, these white people are traitors to the highest degree and deserve nothing but to be under sharia law

@PsychoH @Thebuffdon690 i know you 2 are different but the rest of your kind have issues and are “Cooked” as seen in this thread they’d rather listen to @King Solomon the gnostic conspiracy theorist nut job than the most knowledgeable evangelist who debates people irl on religious matters on this site. This is what we have to deal with

What religion do you believe in?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What religion do you believe in?

The one true faith. Christianity, my branch is the original pre denominational branch of Christianity aka Eastern Orthodoxy.

If you wanna learn I can explain to you why that’s the case with videos,
What the saints say, biblical cannon and more. Unlike the idiots before I can back up what I say without relying on stupid conspiracy like the idiotic Solomon guy who thinks the modern Jews are Caanaites and that the real Jews were “White” like some white version of the WE WAZ KANGZ shit.

 

[Averagecel]

Ok first off who tf are you? Most irrelevant user ever

Secondly I never ONCE SAId Jesus was “black” never insinuated this never stated this NOR DO I THINK THIS. Don’t put words in my mouth you irrelevant insect. JESUS WAS PALESTINIAN JEW WHICH WOULD HAD LOOKED LIKE YOUR TYPICAL ARAB (yes he was a Jew but pheno wise he’d look like an “Arab”)

You are not Christian you are a son of your father THE DEVIL

@Underdog9494 @org3cel.RR


If you want any knowledge of Christianity in the one to ask this is literally form knowledge at this point even the Muslims know this @Gengar @SecularIslamist @yeeyeeslayer @shia.jihadist you see this is why I want you Muslims to invade the west, these white people are traitors to the highest degree and deserve nothing but to be under sharia law

@PsychoH @Thebuffdon690 i know you 2 are different but the rest of your kind have issues and are “Cooked” as seen in this thread they’d rather listen to @King Solomon the gnostic conspiracy theorist nut job than the most knowledgeable evangelist who debates people irl on religious matters on this site. This is what we have to deal with

Just the fact that you paid VIP is in my eyes enough to discredit everything you say. Lol imagine wanting to be "relevant" or "VIP" on an obscure forum you gullible bitch.

And I'm more Christian than you cause I'm Caucasian and you're not.

Jesus was a Caucasian man not a shitskin.

I'll let my bros destroy you, cause I don't want to make my hands dirty with shit lol

 

[Org3cel]

The one true faith. Christianity, my branch is the original pre denominational branch of Christianity aka Eastern Orthodoxy.

If you wanna learn I can explain to you why that’s the case. Unlike the idiots before I can back up what I say without relying on stupid conspiracy like the idiotic Solomon guy who thinks the modern Jews are Caanaites and that the real Jews were “White” like some white version of the WE WAZ KANGZ shit.

I am a catholic christian, I have learned christianity from a young age by myself, my family is atheist yet I read the bible went to church and had catechesis for over 8 years, what about you, how did you learned about christianity?

 

[Averagecel]

You’re polish so weren’t you born Christian?

Yes, but I was an atheist or agnostic for most of my life.

 

[Deleted member 44380]

The one true faith. Christianity, my branch is the original pre denominational branch of Christianity aka Eastern Orthodoxy.

If you wanna learn I can explain to you why that’s the case with videos,
What the saints say, biblical cannon and more. Unlike the idiots before I can back up what I say without relying on stupid conspiracy like the idiotic Solomon guy who thinks the modern Jews are Caanaites and that the real Jews were “White” like some white version of the WE WAZ KANGZ shit.

Educate me

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Educate me

What do you wanna know

I am a catholic christian, I have learned christianity from a young age by myself, my family is atheist yet I read the bible went to church and had catechesis for over 8 years, what about you, how did you learned about christianity?

I have been reasarching the religion for the last 7 months now, learning the philosophy of the councils philosophy and metaphysics to explain and make sense of the trinity to defend the doctrine from heretics, pagans and Muslims I also learnt philosophy to debate atheists and show them that their belief system is Illogical inheritally.

If your a 8yr long RC then you should know the faith enough by now. My advice is to not be a stupid Protestant and believe your interpretation is correct all the time, look up what your churches stance is on issues and never feel shame to ask your priest.

I personally also read the works of the saints such as Gregory of Nyssa, John Damascus, John Chrystostm and many others. I watch prominent Eastern Orthodox debaters such as Jay dyer who debates every worldview from Islam to atheism from Roman Catholicism to Protestantism, he has done it all and as a philosopher he gives the best in depth responses on his Chanel, I promise if you watched him you’d convert to Eastern Orthodoxy.

I also read papers from our theologians and philosophers such as Dr Buea Branson. I also read the bible, admittedly not as often as I should but I do read it but I use a study bible for I am a human and my interpretation is liable to be wrong so I always want to know what the view of our church fathers and saints thought about the topic.

Anyways VIVA Christo Rey

 

[Deleted member 44380]

What do you wanna know

Id like to hear about some proofs
Its hard for me to rely on faith alone

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Plus, there's no such thing as "god".

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Id like to hear about some proofs
Its hard for me to rely on faith alone

This guy (Jay Dyer) is GOATED at this.

This is copy pasted
on the existence of God. Dyer argues that only the Christian God, as described in Orthodox theology, provides a coherent basis for these transcendentals. Here’s how he presents the key points:


1. Preconditions of Intelligibility:


• For any knowledge or reasoning to be possible, certain preconditions must be met, such as the existence of logic, objective morality, and the uniformity of nature (laws of science).


• Dyer argues that atheism or materialism cannot provide a coherent foundation for these preconditions because:


• Logic: Abstract, universal, and invariant principles (e.g., laws of logic) cannot arise from a purely materialistic universe.


• Morality: Objective moral truths cannot be grounded in subjective or cultural preferences.


• Science: The consistent laws of nature require an explanation beyond random chance.


2. Internal Critique of Atheism:


• Dyer often challenges atheists by asking them to justify the use of logic, morality, or science within their worldview. He points out that:


• Atheism often assumes the validity of logic without explaining its origin.


• A purely naturalistic worldview cannot account for the immaterial, universal, and unchanging nature of logical laws.


• He argues that without the Christian God, atheists are left with a worldview that is ultimately self-contradictory or leads to skepticism.


3. Christian God as the Necessary Precondition:


• Dyer asserts that the Christian God provides the necessary foundation for intelligibility because:


• Logic: Logic reflects the rational nature of God, who is immutable, universal, and eternal.


• Morality: Objective moral values flow from God’s unchanging character.


• Science: The uniformity of nature is grounded in God’s providential order.


4. Exclusivity of the Christian God:


• While TAG can be used to argue for a “god” in general, Dyer emphasizes the uniqueness of the Christian God as revealed in Orthodox theology:


• Other worldviews, including other theistic religions, fail to provide a coherent basis for the transcendental categories.


• For example, in Dyer’s view, non-Christian monotheisms lack a doctrine of the Trinity, which he sees as essential

 

[Deleted member 44380]

This guy (Jay Dyer) is GOATED at this.

This is copy pasted
on the existence of God. Dyer argues that only the Christian God, as described in Orthodox theology, provides a coherent basis for these transcendentals. Here’s how he presents the key points:


1. Preconditions of Intelligibility:


• For any knowledge or reasoning to be possible, certain preconditions must be met, such as the existence of logic, objective morality, and the uniformity of nature (laws of science).


• Dyer argues that atheism or materialism cannot provide a coherent foundation for these preconditions because:


• Logic: Abstract, universal, and invariant principles (e.g., laws of logic) cannot arise from a purely materialistic universe.


• Morality: Objective moral truths cannot be grounded in subjective or cultural preferences.


• Science: The consistent laws of nature require an explanation beyond random chance.


2. Internal Critique of Atheism:


• Dyer often challenges atheists by asking them to justify the use of logic, morality, or science within their worldview. He points out that:


• Atheism often assumes the validity of logic without explaining its origin.


• A purely naturalistic worldview cannot account for the immaterial, universal, and unchanging nature of logical laws.


• He argues that without the Christian God, atheists are left with a worldview that is ultimately self-contradictory or leads to skepticism.


3. Christian God as the Necessary Precondition:


• Dyer asserts that the Christian God provides the necessary foundation for intelligibility because:


• Logic: Logic reflects the rational nature of God, who is immutable, universal, and eternal.


• Morality: Objective moral values flow from God’s unchanging character.


• Science: The uniformity of nature is grounded in God’s providential order.


4. Exclusivity of the Christian God:


• While TAG can be used to argue for a “god” in general, Dyer emphasizes the uniqueness of the Christian God as revealed in Orthodox theology:


• Other worldviews, including other theistic religions, fail to provide a coherent basis for the transcendental categories.


• For example, in Dyer’s view, non-Christian monotheisms lack a doctrine of the Trinity, which he sees as essential

Thanks ill look into it rn

 

[Gengar]

Ok first off who tf are you? Most irrelevant user ever

Secondly I never ONCE SAId Jesus was “black” never insinuated this never stated this NOR DO I THINK THIS. Don’t put words in my mouth you irrelevant insect. JESUS WAS PALESTINIAN JEW WHICH WOULD HAD LOOKED LIKE YOUR TYPICAL ARAB (yes he was a Jew but pheno wise he’d look like an “Arab”)

You are not Christian you are a son of your father THE DEVIL

@Underdog9494 @org3cel.RR


If you want any knowledge of Christianity im the one to ask this is literally form knowledge at this point EVEN THE Muslims know this @Gengar @SecularIslamist @yeeyeeslayer @shia.jihadist you see this is why I want you Muslims to invade the west, these white people are traitors to the highest degree and deserve nothing but to be under sharia law

@PsychoH @Thebuffdon690 i know you 2 are different but the rest of your kind have issues and are “Cooked” as seen in this thread they’d rather listen to @King Solomon the gnostic conspiracy theorist nut job than the most knowledgeable evangelist who debates people irl on religious matters on this site. This is what we have to deal with

It’s joever, he called you princess guy.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

It’s joever, he called you princess guy.

lol he’s fat and wants 2 fuk me so it’s his fantasy

 

[Deleted member 106305]

You probably just been going to some autistic nigger ah' church, or even worse... a protestant one

 

[Deleted member 106305]

But it made mine better..? are you stupid

It sounds to me you've become angsty and stressed, perhaps even defensive.
Were you like this before leavning church?

 

[Deleted member 15778]

As someone who went from christian to agnostic, i can say 100% it was one of the best decisions for my mental health.
When I was a christian, i feel like I was restricted to doing things I love doing. the question of "Is this a sin" or "am i going to hell for doing this" weighed me down heavily.

Because you didn't understand Christianity. The point is Jesus died for our sins so we can do whatever the fuck we want and still get into heaven.

After sinning I felt like shit and I would constantly question whether if im good enough or if im not taking my faith serious enough.

Even if Christianity is real (It's not), Morality would still be an arbitrary set of rules that "God" made up, and in the case of Christianity that you don't even have to follow.

The constant fear of going to hell and about immortality really took a toll on me, I was scared of living practically. I finally ended up giving in and leaving a set religion. And living life without religion is great. I feel like the whole thought of religion is too complicated, people dedicate their whole lives to being one set religion when I believe their is more to life then that.

Religionmaxing such as pastor maxing can get you a hot wife, lots of friends and community things to be involved in.

Imagine being born just to dedicate your whole life to the person who created you. Sounds a bit overkill don't you think? I feel as if now religion is all about who sins the less even though sinning is a natural human element.
I still believe in a God though,

There's no god.

or one atleast. I believe there are too many coincidences that have happened in our existence and too many unsolved questions about our existence

If you look harder for answer, you'll probably find them.

Add on- I also feel as if the idea of the closer human to God. ETC a priest is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. I do not believe a single human being is closer to God. I do not believe their should be ranks in the church. I do not believe a single human has more authority over another or religion rite.

 

[King Solomon]

Ok first off who tf are you? Most irrelevant user ever

Secondly I never ONCE SAId Jesus was “black” never insinuated this never stated this NOR DO I THINK THIS. Don’t put words in my mouth you irrelevant insect. JESUS WAS PALESTINIAN JEW WHICH WOULD HAD LOOKED LIKE YOUR TYPICAL ARAB (yes he was a Jew but pheno wise he’d look like an “Arab”)

You are not Christian you are a son of your father THE DEVIL

@Underdog9494 @org3cel.RR


If you want any knowledge of Christianity im the one to ask this is literally form knowledge at this point EVEN THE Muslims know this @Gengar @SecularIslamist @yeeyeeslayer @shia.jihadist you see this is why I want you Muslims to invade the west, these white people are traitors to the highest degree and deserve nothing but to be under sharia law

@PsychoH @Thebuffdon690 i know you 2 are different but the rest of your kind have issues and are “Cooked” as seen in this thread they’d rather listen to @King Solomon the gnostic conspiracy theorist nut job than the most knowledgeable evangelist who debates people irl on religious matters on this site. This is what we have to deal with

Jesus was an Israelite of the tribe of Judah and a Nazarene to be more specific. Jevv is a term created in the 17th century to cover the tracks of the Edomites that converted to Judaism in 150 AD by force and over the last 2,150+ years they have taken on the identity of the Israelites but they're descendants of Esau the brother of Jacob (Caucasians) as they didn't receive the birthright. Esau married 4 Canaanite females and hence they had the curse of Cain (Soil shall not produce food for them and be a vagabond). This is why they have been parasites in Jacob's lands for the last 2,150+ years because they cannot create on their own. They use our genius and the fruits of our labors to survive.

As for Jesus, as stated GOD per the bible made it prohibited for the Adamites to the Israelites from interracial breeding. Per numbers the bastards created from interracial couples are kicked out of the congregation of YAH and are no longer fit to be an Israelite. This is Why the bible has the genealogy from Adam, to Noah, to Shem, to Abraham, to Jacob, to Judah, to King David to Jesus all tracked perfectly. It demonstrates Jesus is 100% Israelite aka Caucasian. Arabs are mixed race by definition and come from Ishmael which is from Abraham's seed but from a non Israelite mother. These bastards cannot carry the seed of GOD.

Scripture justifies my claims therefore you are calling me a conspiracy nut job that means you're calling the word of God to be a conspiracy nut job. Your argument against the word of God has been (retarded, conspiracy theories, etc).

Meanwhile, you have butchered the bible and said Jesus was an Arab which spits on God's word and the genealogy he provided for all of us to easily follow to see Jesus was 100% Israelite (Caucasian) and didn't race mix and is not Arab or have any blood of Ishmael or any other Bastard race in him. Follow your creator, follow the bloodlines and stop coming up with these outlandish conspiracy theories based on nothing. You're simply projecting by calling me a conspiracy theorist. Labeling someone this is normally the works of a liberal and or atheist and not a legitimate born again Christian. I herby revoke your Christian Card.

Feel free to go demonstrate to us that Jesus is an Arab from his genealogy per the bible. If you can't accomplish this task then you must admit you're a bible butcherer.

 

[King Solomon]

Jesus was an Israelite of the tribe of Judah and a Nazarene to be more specific. Jevv is a term created in the 17th century to cover the tracks of the Edomites that converted to Judaism in 150 AD by force and over the last 2,150+ years they have taken on the identity of the Israelites but they're descendants of Esau the brother of Jacob (Caucasians) as they didn't receive the birthright. Esau married 4 Canaanite females and hence they had the curse of Cain (Soil shall not produce food for them and be a vagabond). This is why they have been parasites in Jacob's lands for the last 2,150+ years because they cannot create on their own. They use our genius and the fruits of our labors to survive.

As for Jesus, as stated GOD per the bible made it prohibited for the Adamites to the Israelites from interracial breeding. Per numbers the bastards created from interracial couples are kicked out of the congregation of YAH and are no longer fit to be an Israelite. This is Why the bible has the genealogy from Adam, to Noah, to Shem, to Abraham, to Jacob, to Judah, to King David to Jesus all tracked perfectly. It demonstrates Jesus is 100% Israelite aka Caucasian. Arabs are mixed race by definition and come from Ishmael which is from Abraham's seed but from a non Israelite mother. These bastards cannot carry the seed of GOD.

Scripture justifies my claims therefore you are calling me a conspiracy nut job that means you're calling the word of God to be a conspiracy nut job. Your argument against the word of God has been (retarded, conspiracy theories, etc).

Meanwhile, you have butchered the bible and said Jesus was an Arab which spits on God's word and the genealogy he provided for all of us to easily follow to see Jesus was 100% Israelite (Caucasian) and didn't race mix and is not Arab or have any blood of Ishmael or any other Bastard race in him. Follow your creator, follow the bloodlines and stop coming up with these outlandish conspiracy theories based on nothing. You're simply projecting by calling me a conspiracy theorist. Labeling someone this is normally the works of a liberal and or atheist and not a legitimate born again Christian. I herby revoke your Christian Card.

Feel free to go demonstrate to us that Jesus is an Arab from his genealogy per the bible. If you can't accomplish this task then you must admit you're a bible butcherer.

Adam to Noah, to Shem to Jacob, to Judah, to Solomon, to Jesus. Clear as day. Ishmael not even relevant after his birth in terms of genealogy.

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The physical description of the appearance of the Nazarene (tribe of JESUS) princes before the attacks by Babylon.

Lamentations 4-7:
Their princes were brighter than snow
and whiter than milk,
their bodies more ruddy than rubies,
their appearance like lapis lazuli.

So a Caucasian man that has rosy red cheeks or shows red in color and has blue veins so, youn healthy Caucasian men.

Apostle John in Revelations 1:14 sees a vision and describes it. Christ is described as his head (face) and hair are white as wool and white as snow and eyes are flames of fire. It’s not saying his hair has a texture of wool, it’s contrasting his whiteness of his head and hair to wool and snow. The Israelite often used parallelisms and symbolism when describing something twice or multiple times in succession to help explain things. It describes his hair and head as white as snow and white as wool. If it was explaining the texture to wool well then it would be saying his texture was like snow as well which makes no logical sense. The next verse you must read carefully. His feet are like fine Brass as if having been burned in a furnace, his voice as a voice of many waters. Brass is a golden like color. However, when brass is burned in a furnace at an incredibly hot temperature, brass turns to a white like color when heated up in a furnace and glows intensely. This is the allegory, John is using here that Christ’s feet are white but glowing. So all his descriptions are description with Christ as a white European looking man. Also the brass is symbolic of strength. Describes the glorified Yahshua as wise, pure and strong.





KING SOLOMON:

These descriptions are even more explicit than the descriptions of King David. Song of Solomon 5:10 KJV “ My beloved is white and ruddy, the Chiefest among ten thousand.” As we see here white and ruddy go together. Ruddy means red or rosy cheeks, something only a healthy looking white person would have which signifies good health. Now if we look up the word white in Hebrew translates to tsach and is defined as dazzling, glowing, or clear. In this context when referring to a man or woman, it’s clear the intention is white especially when combined with the word ruddy. Ruddy is Adam, dazzling glowing clear and ruddy meaning white and ruddy.



Another thing we should note is Solomon's wife Naamah was the daughter of the Pharaoh of Egypt and this was around 950 BC. So even though this was no longer ancient Egypt, the historical chronicles hold to be true that the Egyptian royalty remained white up until around 755 BC when the Nubians took over after the white Egyptians fled. Song’s of Solomon: 6:10 KJV : “Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners. So she is white like the moon and bright like the sun. So this shows the Egyptians at the time were white. Now the original Egyptians were known as the Mizriam the second son of Ham. Now we do know the Cushites were black, the Canaanites were dark but not quite as dark as current Africans today. What were the Mizriam? Gen 10 and 1 Chronicles 1 speaks of Menes who reined in Egypt as the first king of Egypt for 60 years. Mizriam derived from the plural word meaning double straits perhaps the distinctions between upper and lower Egypt. Babylonian inscriptions refer to Egypt as mursi perhaps deriving from the word Misr meaning land.





Songs of Solomon 7:4 KJV “Thy neck is as a tower of Ivory, thine eyes like fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of bathrabbim: Thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.”

So he has a white neck with blue veins. Generally fish pools have a grey or blue like color.





If we take a look at the Greek SEPTIJAIN(original bible translated from the original Hebrew version), this was where the Israelites who translated their bible into Greek. After the conquests of Alexander the great (300 BC) Greek became the common language of commerce and trade. Therefore the Israelites decided to translate their entire bible in Greek as well. So, the word tsach which is translated to white in this verse, in the SEPTIJAIN which is translated to the Greek word Lefkos which means white. So the Israelites themselves translated the Hebrew word tsach as white. So, if people try to say it means something else, when even the Israelites themselves translated it originally to mean white.



Song of Solomon 5:11 KJV “His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.” Now people may confuse this description and believe he’s Arab or black. However this is describing his golden tan. His locks are bushy could have been better been translated as wavy and his hair is black as a raven. Hector of Troy was said to have raven dark hair as well. So for King Solomon to have a fine goleden head he would’ve had to of been a European to get that golden tan.



Translations for Bushy, all the other translations describe it as wavy hair. Taltallim is the Hebrew translation The Greek Septuagint translates to vostrychos or curly. So the Israelite's describe him as having wavy hair, not bushy hair. Overall, Europeans with jet black hair are more rare than brown or blonde but you can have Europeans with Jet black hair and blue eyes.



Songs of Solomon 5:12: “His eyes are as the doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk and fitly set.” Generally, doves are a gray like color, they can be white but generally gray. They’re contrasting his iris to Grey, surrounded by milk or the white part of the eye the scelera.

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Songs of Solomon 5:13: His cheeks are as a bed of Spices, as sweet flowers: his lips are like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh.” This is implying about ruddiness, white with a tan but has some red color around his cheeks. Sometimes tan white people get freckles as well.



Songs of Solomon 5:14: “His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright as ivory overlaid with sapphires.” So the hands are tan and glowing. His belly is ivory which is always white. Sapphires are blue, his body is pale with blue veins. So, kept his body covered and it was pale but head and hands being exposed to the sun are golden and tanned. Being able to see blue veins often indicates good health and low body fat percentage.



Songs of Solomon 5:15: “ His legs are as Pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.” Marble is white with blue like lines like veins so it’s a good allegory for a white man in good physical condition with blue like veins appearing in his legs. The sockets of gold would be a reference to his feet and ankles are also his lower legs which would be tan from the sun. Notice the parts of his body that would normally be exposed to the sun (feet, ankles, hands and head) are all described as gold (tan). His countenance is as Lebanon were tall and straight. So this is saying he is tall and lean in good physical condition. In fact overall it’s very common for whites to gain a farmers tan, retain a pale body under their clothing but their arms and legs exposed to the sun become golden. This all perfectly fits the description of any European looking man. Also, it should be noted that the mountains of Lebanon. They were called Lebanon because they were always snowy at the top so they were white mountains. The root word Laben means white.

 

[Deleted member 107111]

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[Averagecel]

Do you know who the mods are? I've never asked directly to have any of my posts pinned but I wouldn't mind it if they at least pinned one of them. They might be kangz themselves so they may have a bias against this topic.

Do you think it would be beneficial to have a thread just for debunking the Kangz arguments? say eviscerating their top 10 arguments for the Israelites being black? Not to mock or make fun of them but to cut down their illogical and overall erroneous arguments.

I don't know the mods but I think they can't pin a thread that talks bad about kangz because the owner of this site is a kang lol

But yes bro, you should make a thread where you debunk kangz arguments and don't forget to tag me in it

 

[King Solomon]

I don't know the mods but I think they can't pin a thread that talks bad about kangz because the owner of this site is a kang lol

But yes bro, you should make a thread where you debunk kangz arguments and don't forget to tag me in it

I'll probably get banned for life if I debunk the Kangz. I suppose me getting banned is proof by itself. Yes, I'll tag you as soon as it's completed.

Next topics:

1.) Shroud of Turin
2.) Why Apostle Paulus/Saulus is a false apostle
3.) Black Kangz

 

[Averagecel]

I'll probably get banned for life if I debunk the Kangz. I suppose me getting banned is proof by itself. Yes, I'll tag you as soon as it's completed.

Next topics:

1.) Shroud of Turin
2.) Why Apostle Paulus/Saulus is a false apostle
3.) Black Kangz

Yeah the Black Kangz thread will probably be your last thread on this forum, but me and other based users would consider you a martyr

The Shroud of Turin is an interesting topic. Something interesting that's related to the Shroud happened to me last summer when I was in Kosovo. I started to research the Shroud of Turin but I don't remember why exactly, this was during the period when I was following David Wood, watching his videos everyday. One time I wondered if DW ever talked about the Shroud in the past, but I didn't find any video of him talking about it, a few days later (I don't remember exactly how many days) I received a notification of a new video of DW talking about the Shroud. In the video I think he said he's 50/50 or smth sure that the Shroud is the real deal, but still I think God showed me a sign and I'm thankful for that.