💀 Maxilla: Difference Between Recessed and Flat, Explained with 3D Animations

[thecel]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

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Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

 

[Daddy's Home]

Here before BOTB

 

[afghanincel]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, the eyes, and the mandible.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion) and airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea).

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Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

i hate my asian flat maxilla

 

[qxdr]

good thread

 

[LooksmaxxMyAss]

Reptilian forward growth or death

 

[59H390]

Been sayin ts

flat does not mean recessed

that word get thrown around too much imo

 

[59H390]

good thread tho

 

[Vazelrr]

Inb4 botb

 

[Soter]

niggas nowadays don't even specify they just call everyone recessed without second thought

 

[karmacita901]

another 3d model banger from thecel

 

[Claymoreboy0118]

horrible thread dnr

 

[thecel]

flat AND recessed is brutal

 

[AustrianMogger]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

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Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

what do i have of those?

 

[AustrianMogger]

flat AND recessed is brutal

anything that is flat and recessed is brutal

 

[AustrianMogger]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

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Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

you forgot frankfurt plant to measure every picture accuratly

 

[Coolcheeseburger127]

what kind of maxilla does robert pattinson have?

 

[thecel]

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what kind of maxilla does robert pattinson have?

flat

 

[GenerationalAutism]

i have no maxilla

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

what do gandy have?

 

[thecel]

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slight recession if any

 

[Lookologist003]

Lovely thread. The size of your palate has to do with the maximum forward growth that your skull can or could have achieved. I appreciate that you are setting definitions. I'll use the terms flat and recessed and defer to this thread for clarity. These definitions are like yours about downsung and downgrown jaws. Interesting...
...On the topic of improving from downswung jaws, I think the more foward grown the maxilla is as defined ITT, the worse downswung jaws will look and the more impactful it will be to get those jaws rotated.

So what would be 'dogged' forward growth in your opinion? Because there is too much of a good thing. Doctors call it maxilary prognathism IIRC. Mine is that if the mollars overshoot the 'wings' that's dogged. This does relate to the statement about palate size I made above. If your palate is very short, it's over. Your pallete length should be roughly an equal or greater size to the distance between your tragus and the 'wings', I think. It should look like a parraellogram.

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

You're probably correct, but you're killing the hope of the many celish teenagers.
Probably correct. Maybe @AscendingHero would know something about the patterns of growth on the upper maxilla.

@mandiblade
@VampyrMaxx (STOP CHANGING YOUR ALIAS IF YOU WANT ME TO REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE, Nucleargeo)
@Foreverbrad

 

[Lookologist003]

flat AND recessed is brutal

Fully. Recessed is the greater of the brutal parts, though. To fix that there is no other way than surgeries that are more invasive than adding to the upper maxilla.

Might seeing what Looksmax looks like in the UK currently cheer you up? Imgur refuses to serve the UK because of that shitty Orwellian Online Saftey Act. All of the pepe emotes are censored to members living in the UK.

I imagine soon I'll have to explain to police officers whom my ISP snitched to why I have visited this terrorist, misogynistic, suicide cult organisation 500 times this year.

 

[yussimania]

@thecel why don't u do some cool shit and morph people's skulls in blender charging them for it so they know what surgeries to get? correct me if this is a bad idea idk how u would convert DICOM CBCT to blender but i saw Giant do it and i think you could do it well

 

[Zenis]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

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Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

what surgeries can fix flat and or reccesed

 

[Zenis]

@thecel why don't u do some cool shit and morph people's skulls in blender charging them for it so they know what surgeries to get? correct me if this is a bad idea idk how u would convert DICOM CBCT to blender but i saw Giant do it and i think you could do it well

thecel would be good at it but he goes way too far with the advancments, he does like 50 mm advancements

 

[Sadist]

i love how every single flat + recessed example
is of a gook

 

[bottleofwater]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

---

Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

i aftuslly thoight mewing at the age if like 12 woukd actually make changes jfl

 

[Zenis]

i love how every single flat + recessed example
is of a gook

That’s why it’s tough to be gl as gook

 

[yussimania]

i love how every single flat + recessed example
is of a gook

which is why when there is one that isn't flat + recessed they're instantly slayers

 

[Kiril Velev]

mirin at the high ef thread

 

[Zenis]

which is why when there is one that isn't flat + recessed they're instantly slayers
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His is still flat no?

Flat is no where near as bad as reccesed but

 

[yussimania]

His is still flat no?

Flat is no where near as bad as reccesed but
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damn wtf his nasal bridge is way lower than i thought he's still my glorious ethnic kang tho

 

[Racepill]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

---

Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

great thread

I think I'm not flat but receded

 

[mr007]

His is still flat no?

Flat is no where near as bad as reccesed but
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Yeah but his anterior zygos growth (lefort3 as you say ) makes him good looking that it gives a illusion of top tier maxilla

 

[Zenis]

damn wtf his nasal bridge is way lower than i thought he's still my glorious ethnic kang tho

Yeah unfortunately not even a Chang can escape his phenotypes flaws. I don’t think their is any Asian with a projected nose unless there half white

 

[Zenis]

Yeah but his anterior zygos growth (lefort3 as you say ) makes him good looking that it gives a illusion of top tier maxilla

You still need a decent gap between your nose and your zygos, your anterior Zygos shoudlnt be as forwardlry projected as your nose. But since hes Asian he gets away with it, that’s just part of his pheno

 

[mr007]

Yeah unfortunately not even a Chang can escape his phenotypes flaws. I don’t think their is any Asian with a projected nose unless there half white

I think I have seen one posted here he was fully ea not mixed

 

[Zenis]

I think I have seen one posted here he was fully ea not mixed

Who

 

[mr007]

You still need a decent gap between your nose and your zygos, your anterior Zygos shoudlnt be as forwardlry projected as your nose. But since hes Asian he gets away with it, that’s just part of his pheno

His nose very well projected

 

[mr007]

Who

Can't remember who but I have seen his pic on org someone posted it

 

[User28823]

brutal looks like it is indeed over for u @shieldzz

 

[mr007]

best maxilla? @thecel

 

[Zenis]

His nose very well projected

The lower portion sure but his radix seems under projected

 

[mr007]

The lower portion sure but his radix seems under projected

That's typical ea feature . So it's normal

 

[Zenis]

That's typical ea feature . So it's normal

Would you rather a underprojected radix like a EA or a overprojected one like a Jew/Arab

 

[mr007]

Would you rather a underprojected radix like a EA or a overprojected one like a Jew/Arab

VEry difficult i genuinely don't know the answer. But as an average guy i think I'd rather be over projected.
But if I have option to look like haruma miura with underprojected radix or a jew chad with overprotected radix ( which is very hard but not impossible)I'd choose underprojected radix without a single thought

 

[Zenis]

VEry difficult i genuinely don't know the answer. But as an average guy i think I'd rather be over projected.
But if I have option to look like haruma miura with underprojected radix or a jew chad with overprotected radix ( which is very hard but not impossible)I'd choose underprojected radix without a single thought

an overprojected radix needs a stronger brow as well, without a projected glabella it makes the nose and forehead have that Digusting flat smooth connection if you know what I’m talking about

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Well done man. Your threads are the most informational on this forum.

I morphed Loli Bahia to have a semi-ideal maxilla. Literally goes from SL to GS.

Do you think projected upper maxilla is attractive on all races?

I just cant seem to understand why some phenotypes have a non-protruding upper maxilla, especially Asians. I wonder if it could be a genetic error, perhaps, because I've never seen a non projected upper maxilla look good on anyone, no matter the race.

(STOP CHANGING YOUR ALIAS IF YOU WANT ME TO REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE, Nucleargeo)

identity crisis

 

[Foreverbrad]

Looking at this slice through my zygos I think my maxilla is flat.
But comparing my side profile to your chart it seems not flat.

I might just be on the borderline for flat. I’m certainly recessed but it appears to be mostly in the lower maxilla as my anterior nasal spine is set back from my upper nasal bone.. I don’t see how Lefort 2 alone would be good here, it would have to be segmental 2 and 1 combined.

It also raises a question about infraorbital implants because unless you already have an exemplary “3D” maxilla, they are going to flatten it out even more. I’m not sure my face can support them at all without Lefort 2.

Good thread.

 

[browncurrycel]

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