💀 Maxilla: Difference Between Recessed and Flat, Explained with 3D Animations

[smartstyle]

Any real life human depictions? Soft tissue and everything apparent

This is for showcasing the zygomatic process of the maxilla area, ri?

And why do sometimes some zygos just appear archless even though on the CT they have an arch and even on some moggers, noticed this especially asian/black influenced one, it can just look like a round mound from the side (projected sure but not peak aesthetic)

See Mads here and here's a mogger
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Noticed these others


I have an idea already just want to hear your thoughts
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Why does the arch area look so small and punctured in relative to the malar, obviously soft tissue element vs
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Ideal malar vs zygomatic arch height in your opinion for peak aesthetics?

Golf ball look is meme
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Having tiny zygomas and being malar less isn't good either though

@thecel

Bodyfat issue i think, and fat distribution of course. Most of asians have shit tier fat pads(why they look young though), some blacks too.

Tbh having golf balls in face is not even problem if your maxilla and more importantly orbital bones catch up. (I would be chadlite if I had few more bones in maxilla and orbitals tbh)

I sometimes see people have strange face with forward grown sides of zygos, flat maxilla with forward grown nose. I think it's kind of cool combo to have, like mads mikkelsen one.

 

[smartstyle]

@thecel is there surgeons that are specialized on making maxilla/orbital region(infra+supra implants) forward grown?

i had been seeking supra surgery result but most of them is fucking reduction for transexual patients.

Especially with results on asian faces, yes there are korean ones - but their beauty standarts are much derived from PSL ones.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

The LeFort 2 pill strikes AGAIN

 

[RealSurgerymax]

@thecel is there surgeons that are specialized on making maxilla/orbital region(infra+supra implants) forward grown?

i had been seeking supra surgery result but most of them is fucking reduction for transexual patients.

Especially with results on asian faces, yes there are korean ones - but their beauty standarts are much derived from PSL ones.

Surgeons I work with.

Anyone doing the same is far less experienced and just copying me bc I started the shit in the first place.

I wont be bashful or humble about it. Let me say plainly: Modifications like this don't exist outside of Giant:

And they never will. I took patent protection.

 

[yussimania]

@thecel



brutal no creditpill

 

[AscendingHero]

Surgeons I work with.

Anyone doing the same is far less experienced and just copying me bc I started the shit in the first place.

I wont be bashful or humble about it. Let me say plainly: Modifications like this don't exist outside of Giant:

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And they never will. I took patent protection.

Picture expired sir, can you please reupload

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Surgeons I work with.

Anyone doing the same is far less experienced and just copying me bc I started the shit in the first place.

I wont be bashful or humble about it. Let me say plainly: Modifications like this don't exist outside of Giant:

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And they never will. I took patent protection.

Why would a picture expire?

 

[Whirr22222]

yep the frontonasal area is the reason why some end up dogmaxxed with advancement surgeries, heavily underrated with most normies

Are you saying paranasal implants / fat could be the right option instead of LF1 for some?

 

[yussimania]

Are you saying paranasal implants / fat could be the right option instead of LF1 for some?

Fat grafting and paranasal implants won't do much for your side profile, im talking more browridge and upper maxilla lefort 2 area

 

[Sadist]

gorilla maxilla

 

[kaydd]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

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Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

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Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

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Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

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The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

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The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

Wish you showed some examples of class 2 recessed maxillas.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Asian flat maxilla is caused by anteriorly projected orbits.

If the eyes are more shallow set, wouldn't that mean the eyes are less protected, because the browridge would be less forward projecting over the eyeballs.

I always felt like upper maxilla projection leads to a more hunter appearance.

This would mean that upper maxilla isn't entirely aesthetic, but serves purpose in combat.

Girls still look bad with flat maxilla. It looks striking. In my opinion.

Question 1) Is flat maxilla attractive

If yes, there is no purpose for lefort 2 unless youre unnaturally flat.

If no, is beauty/nature racist? Are some races superior? Is flat maxilla just an unideal phenotype, and an unideal mutation that happened to spread in East Asia? Does nature make some people uglier depending on the environment they adapt to?

Whether flat maxilla is attractive could be up for debate, but projected maxilla is always attractive.

 

[keepswimming]

Here before BOTB

still here

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Same thing with some africans, I always felt like some of them look dogmaxxed.

The ones with anteriorly projected maxillas, look just as good as the caucasians.

All that changes is the contour of the premaxilla.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

If we remove facial depth as a variable, whether you are recessed or protruding will depend on how anteriorly positioned your palate is compared to your paranasal projection. We want to conserve facial convexities.

The more anterior projection your nose has, the more forward growth your palate will also have to have, to conserve the shape of the maxilla.

There is 3 measurements for recession.

Palate projection relative to eyeball
Palate projection relative to neurocranium (tied to facial depth)
Palate projection relative to upper maxilla anterior projection

Forward palate compared to upper maxilla = dogmaxxed

Backwards palate compared to upper maxilla = recessed

Correctly positioned palate relative to upper maxilla = aesthetic

 

[VampyrMaxx]

 

[VampyrMaxx]

What if some populations went through bottlenecks, migrations, or relative geographic isolation.

Then flat maxilla could be explained by genetic drift.

It would probably be stopped due to "eugenics".

 

[afitb0726]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

---

Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

Would a palate expander fix my flat maxilla?

 

[Former Shortcel]

Would a palate expander fix my flat maxilla?

1) Your maxilla isnt flat

2) Palate expansion should only be used for breathing issues, not for aesthetics. You have been brainwashed by people on social media that are working with orthodontics and want your money

 

[afitb0726]

1) Your maxilla isnt flat

2) Palate expansion should only be used for breathing issues, not for aesthetics. You have been brainwashed by people on social media that are working with orthodontics and want your money

Is it recessed? I did have sleep apnea and got tonsils removed, along with a multitude of teeth problems, including removing 4 teeth to fit them all.

 

[Former Shortcel]

Is it recessed? I did have sleep apnea and got tonsils removed, along with a multitude of teeth problems, including removing 4 teeth to fit them all.

There appears to be recession but its not flat by any means

 

[malique]

would i be considered flat or nah?

 

[Francisco_Bs]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

---

Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

Good thread

 

[Nutsack2000]

nice thread

 

[mackeycel]

recessed and flat is brutal

you need to go through bimax just to look like pattinson from the side

 

[moggerofhumanity]

3D:

Flat:

I notice that both the 3D have an overbite whereas the flat ones don't. It seems like many ppl with good maxilla have a slight overbite, ofc not an extreme one, and it made me think that it might be good to actually have a slight overbite.
Even Doutzen who many agree has one of the best side profiles oat seem to have one

Any thoughts?

 

[smartstyle]

Asian flat maxilla is caused by anteriorly projected orbits.

If the eyes are more shallow set, wouldn't that mean the eyes are less protected, because the browridge would be less forward projecting over the eyeballs.

I always felt like upper maxilla projection leads to a more hunter appearance.

This would mean that upper maxilla isn't entirely aesthetic, but serves purpose in combat.

Girls still look bad with flat maxilla. It looks striking. In my opinion.

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Question 1) Is flat maxilla attractive

If yes, there is no purpose for lefort 2 unless youre unnaturally flat.

If no, is beauty/nature racist? Are some races superior? Is flat maxilla just an unideal phenotype, and an unideal mutation that happened to spread in East Asia? Does nature make some people uglier depending on the environment they adapt to?

Whether flat maxilla is attractive could be up for debate, but projected maxilla is always attractive.

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tbh you need full midface implant AND full orbital implants with RHINO BONE GRAFT.


why do you think some people have high brows/high browridge but deep set eyes, like that implants result looks retarded and ogre on this asian guy




how can one achieve perfect supraorbitals with implants, is it implant placement that should be lower set or what.

can some East Asian person achieve chico tier maxilla/eye area(not best but uh...), by some mild implants and rhino?

 

[Gummy11]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

---

Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

Great thread. Solutions to increase 3dness or just zygo/orbital implants?

 

[Divineincel]

Great thread. Solutions to increase 3dness or just zygo/orbital implants?

He won’t respond to you sadly, he left this place for good I think

 

[Gummy11]

He won’t respond to you sadly, he left this place for good I think

For the best 🫩

 

[Zyde]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

---

Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

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Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

yo i still cant tell if my maxillas recessed or not, i have trouble nose breathing but my nose is a perfect shape could u just confirm it.

 

[thecel]

yo i still cant tell if my maxillas recessed or not, i have trouble nose breathing but my nose is a perfect shape could u just confirm it.

looks a little flat at the paranasal area

 

[changfrommumbai]

Maxillary Protrusion and Retrusion

Maxillary protrusion and retrusion is how anteriorly positioned your palate is in relation to your neurocranium.

View attachment 4199761

Whether a maxilla is recessed or not recessed depends on the relationship between the positions of the palate, eyes, and mandible. And the space in the airway.

Recessed maxilla indicators:

• Negative orbital vector
• Nasolabial folds
• Retrognathic profile
• Underbite (class III malocclusion)
• Teeth look inwardly set when smiling

Recessed maxilla can cause functional health issues such as tooth wear (in class III malocclusion), airway constriction (can cause sleep apnea), and speech problems.

---

Maxillary 3Dness and Flatness

Maxillary “3D”ness is an aesthetic look that comes from:

• anterior projection of the paranasal area, nasal sill, anterior nasal spine, and pyriform aperture
• backwardly-angled zygomatic processes of the maxilla (the “connecting wings” that border the zygos) making the midface look fox-like as opposed to pancake

View attachment 4199878

Unlike protrusion/retrusion, 3Dness/flatness is an entirely aesthetic feature and has no bearing on health.

3Dness/flatness is closely related to the orbitomaxillary plane angle. More about that here:

💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward Temporal Plane Angle Animation Range: 0º to 30º Ideal Yaw: 10º

looksmax.org

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Examples

View attachment 4199869

The gorilla maxilla shows the difference between forward-grownness and 3Dness. The gorilla maxilla is extremely forward-protruding, but it’s flat as fuck, literally flatter than an Asian maxilla:

View attachment 4199953

The human maxilla’s teeth are more retracted and tucked under the eyes, but the shape of the central maxilla is much less flat:

View attachment 4199961

---

Mew Cope

Mouth breathing and shit oral posture can make the maxilla grow improperly, but that has to do with positioning (protrusion/retrusion) only. Mewing from birth would’ve done absolutely nothing for your maxilla’s 3Dness/flatness.

botb worthy