Maxilla Is The Most Overrated Shit On This Site, "Blackpillers" Just Use The Term Without Having Any Understanding About The Maxilla.

[sibience]

No. Are you genuinely retarded?

So you think good cranial posture impacts bone development in the face, but you don't think that great standing posture impacts torso, tibia, and femur development...


Time for you to accept the blackpill, that genes are almost 100% everything.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

So you think good cranial posture impacts bone development in the face, but you don't think that great standing posture impacts torso, tibia, and femur development...

Not in any considerable way since development of these bones isn't mediated by any directional force.

Time for you to accept the blackpill, that genes are almost 100% everything.

How do you explain the monkey study then you idiot?

Also read this:

EPIGENETICS - The Nature Of Ugliness (HIGH IQ THREAD)

"There are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful." The phenomenon of beauty is the core of the looksmaxxing doctrine, however most struggle to define and understand it. What is beauty? Beauty is an indicator of potential for evolutionary success. Simply put, beauty...

looksmax.org

Over for genetics copers.

 

[sibience]

Not in any considerable way since development of these bones isn't mediated by any directional force.


How do you explain the monkey study then you idiot?

Also read this:

EPIGENETICS - The Nature Of Ugliness (HIGH IQ THREAD)

"There are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful." The phenomenon of beauty is the core of the looksmaxxing doctrine, however most struggle to define and understand it. What is beauty? Beauty is an indicator of potential for evolutionary success. Simply put, beauty...

looksmax.org

Over for genetics copers.

It's over for you buddy boyo

 

[Deleted member 21044]

It's over for you buddy boyo

You're trolling.

 

[sibience]

I mog everyone here with my superior anterior nasal aperture

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Yes you do, your maxilla also mogs.

 

[sibience]

You're trolling.

No I'm not. It is just funny to me how some people like you can blame people's suffering and ugliness because....

MUH THEY BREATHED THROUGH THEIR MOUTH!!! AND NOT THEIR NOSE!!!!

 

[Deleted member 21044]

No I'm not. It is just funny to me how some people like you can blame people's suffering and ugliness because....

MUH THEY BREATHED THROUGH THEIR MOUTH!!! AND NOT THEIR NOSE!!!!

Time to face reality boyo. Actions have consequences.

 

[sibience]

Time to face reality boyo. Actions have consequences.

I have breathed through my mouth my entire life, my gonial angle is about the same as my parents.

My parents both have about the same gonial angle (around 117 degrees).

Surely genetics can't explain my great craniofacial development!

 

[Skry]

??????? so ur saying lefort 2 wont fix my lack of nose bridge as asian? tell me im not recessed lol

 

[Deleted member 21044]

I have breathed through my mouth my entire life, my gonial angle is about the same as my parents.

My parents both have about the same gonial angle (around 117 degrees).

Surely genetics can't explain my great craniofacial development!

Oh that's it. The coping mouthbreather has been found. JFL at calling 117 degrees "great craniofacial development". You prove my point retard.

 

[sibience]

??????? so ur saying lefort 2 wont fix my lack of nose bridge as asian? tell me im not recessed lol

Lefort 2 or 3 is retarded. It's stupid and only for severe hypoplasia.

Oh that's it. The coping mouthbreather has been found. JFL at calling 117 degrees "great craniofacial development". You prove my point retard.

That is ideal gonial angle LMAO.

For males 111 - 122 is ideal.

For females 113 - 124 is ideal.

I have a good aesthetic eye, don't tell me what is ideal, because I know what is ideal.

 

[Skry]

Lefort 2 or 3 is retarded. It's stupid and only for severe hypoplasia.

My nose bridge is retarded

 

[Deleted member 21044]

Lefort 2 or 3 is retarded. It's stupid and only for severe hypoplasia.




That is ideal gonial angle LMAO.

For males 111 - 122 is ideal.

For females 113 - 124 is ideal.

I have a good aesthetic eye, don't tell me what is ideal, because I know what is ideal.

Jfl at using "aesthetic eye" as proof. Look at what's proven to be most evolutionarily benefitial (for optimal breathing and chewing force). If you knew a bit about biomechanincs you would shut your recessed mouth and stop coping. The levels of denial are unreal.

 

[sibience]

My nose bridge is retarded

Rhinoplasty.

 

[Skry]

Rhinoplasty.

no u dont understand, i dont need reshaping nose bridge, i just dont have nose bridge, wtf is rhino going to do to this recessed shit

 

[sibience]

Jfl at using "aesthetic eye" as proof. Look at what's proven to be most evolutionarily benefitial (for optimal breathing and chewing force). If you knew a bit about biomechanincs you would shut your recessed mouth and stop coping. The levels of denial are unreal.

Lower gonial angle is positively correlated with chewing force.

So according to you, 90 degree gonial angles are the best and most attractive because it gives advantage in survival times.

JFL just because something is more evolutionarily beneficial doesn't mean it looks better.

USE YOUR FUCKING EYES TO SEE.


@Xangsane @ReadBooksEveryday @Octillionaire @DoctorLooksmax @krisal @StrangerDanger @subhuman incel

 

[sibience]

no u dont understand, i dont need reshaping nose bridge, i just dont have nose bridge, wtf is rhino going to do to this recessed shitView attachment 2038410

Radix implant.

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But before you do that, you NEEEED GENIOPLASTY, PLEASE STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR NOSE YOUR CHIN IS THE MAIN PROBLEM. I can't see your chin width from the front but you probably need more width too, I would say a large genioplasty and then get fillers on sides of chin to make it wider.

Then you can worry about your nose.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

Lower gonial angle is positively correlated with chewing force.

So according to you, 90 degree gonial angles are the best and most attractive because it gives advantage in survival times.

JFL just because something is more evolutionarily beneficial doesn't mean it looks better.

You are very stupid. I genuinely mean it.

What do you think determines which feature looks good and which doesn't? Have you ever thought about that in your little rat brain? Give me an answer i'm interested what you come up with.

 

[Skry]

Radix implant.

Nasal Radix

The Nasal Radix offers surgeons an excellent option to augment a low nasal radix. See the specifications information below. Download the Nasal Radix Product Specification Sheet PDF. Go back to the main Catalog. Contact us with any questions.

poriferous.com

But before you do that, you NEEEED GENIOPLASTY, PLEASE STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR NOSE YOUR CHIN IS THE MAIN PROBLEM. I can't see your chin width from the front but you probably need more width too, I would say a large genioplasty and then get fillers on sides of chin to make it wider.

Then you can worry about your nose.

yes i will get a fking genioplasty
im never getting fillers idc, that shit looks stupid and ruins you long term
implants are fragile and a problem because i like sports and even doing boxing. theoretically bone structure surgeries heal to 100% strength after many months

 

[sibience]

What do you think determines which feature looks good and which doesn't? Have you ever thought about that in your little rat brain? Give me an answer i'm interested what you come up with.

By FUCKING looking at it with your eyes!

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Lower gonial angle is positively correlated with chewing force.

So according to you, 90 degree gonial angles are the best and most attractive because it gives advantage in survival times.

JFL just because something is more evolutionarily beneficial doesn't mean it looks better.

USE YOUR FUCKING EYES TO SEE.


@Xangsane @ReadBooksEveryday @Octillionaire @DoctorLooksmax @krisal @StrangerDanger @subhuman incel

I mean it depends on Ramus height tbh

There is no ideal gonial angle but one which is too low> too high because the Ramus can still back it up and imo the square angular skull looks good

 

[Deleted member 21044]

By FUCKING looking at it with your eyes!

Are you larping or actually mentally disabled?

I'm asking what makes it attractive. What is the REASON of it being attractive.

 

[gribsufer1]

dumb thread

 

[sibience]

I mean it depends on Ramus height tbh

There is no ideal gonial angle but one which is too low> too high because the Ramus can still back it up and imo the square angular skull looks good

I agree but @Dr. Bruh says lower is better lmao.

While I define ideal as:

For males 111 - 122 is ideal.

For females 113 - 124 is ideal.

I'm asking what makes it attractive. What is the REASON of it being attractive.

There doesn't need an evolutionary reason for something to be attractive other than "it looks good and pleasing to the eye."

For example, many birds reproduce for longer tail lengths, as higher tail lengths are more attractive in some bird species, causing populations to have longer tails over time.

However, longer tails are bad for survival, as predators can find them easier.

 

[sibience]

dumb thread

Would you give a quick input on why it is dumb?

Most of this site would recommend bimax to people who shouldn't get it at all, and you are one of those many people.

 

[sibience]

yes i will get a fking genioplasty
im never getting fillers idc, that shit looks stupid and ruins you long term
implants are fragile and a problem because i like sports and even doing boxing. theoretically bone structure surgeries heal to 100% strength after many months

Don't do boxing lol, don't overcompensate for your recessed chin by trying to hurt people to look strong.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

There doesn't need an evolutionary reason for something to be attractive other than "it looks good and pleasing to the eye."

There first needs to be a heritable instinctive structure which dictates what's "pleasing to the eye". And that doesn't come out of nowhere.

For example, many birds reproduce for longer tail lengths, as higher tail lengths are more attractive in some bird species, causing populations to have longer tails over time.

And let me ask you again, what do you think makes them more attractive? You still haven't answered the question you fuckwit.

However, longer tails are bad for survival, as predators can find them easier.

That's odviously incorrect. An evolutionarily unfit mutation will never spread successfully.

Long, Sexy Tails Not A Drag On Male Birds

At least two dozen hummingbirds, not to mention hundreds of other birds, sport long tails to attract females. But don't these tails get in the way? By attaching long streamer tails to short-tailed Anna's hummingbirds and testing their wind tunnel flying, researchers show that long-tailed males...

www.sciencedaily.com

Again, you don't know shit about biomechanics, nor evolution, lol. If it decreased their chance of survival, how exactly would the trait manage to spread into the whole population?

Answer the question finally. What do you think makes a trait attractive?

 

[Skry]

Don't do boxing lol, don't overcompensate for your recessed chin by trying to hurt people to look strong.

its for fun i cannot stop. also i have the frame and talent for it surprisingly. i do muaythai specifically and i would never give it up. there's always a desire in me to spar or fight people and normal sports aren't enough. not for compensating
so. i have to ascend & heal up 100% no silicon implants that will break on impact

 

[gribsufer1]

its for fun i cannot stop. also i have the frame and talent for it surprisingly. i do muaythai specifically and i would never give it up. there's always a desire in me to spar or fight people and normal sports aren't enough. not for compensating
so. i have to ascend & heal up 100% no silicon implants that will break on impact

bones break on impact too so what

 

[gribsufer1]

Would you give a quick input on why it is dumb?

Most of this site would recommend bimax to people who shouldn't get it at all, and you are one of those many people.

my maxilla is forward grown

 

[Skry]

bones break on impact too so what

no they dont lol wtf? drink some milk ffs when is the last time u did anything physical

 

[gribsufer1]

no they dont lol wtf? drink some milk ffs when is the last time u did anything physical

its easy to break ur bones happens in mma and boxing all the time

 

[sibience]

There first needs to be a heritable instinctive structure which dictates what's "pleasing to the eye". And that doesn't come out of nowhere.

And let me ask you again, what do you think makes them more attractive? You still haven't answered the question you fuckwit.

That's odviously incorrect. An evolutionarily unfit mutation will never spread successfully.

Long, Sexy Tails Not A Drag On Male Birds

At least two dozen hummingbirds, not to mention hundreds of other birds, sport long tails to attract females. But don't these tails get in the way? By attaching long streamer tails to short-tailed Anna's hummingbirds and testing their wind tunnel flying, researchers show that long-tailed males...

www.sciencedaily.com

Again, you don't know shit about biomechanics, nor evolution, lol. If it decreased their chance of survival, how exactly would the trait manage to spread into the whole population?

Answer the question finally. What do you think makes a trait attractive?

You don't understand do you? The longer tails spread into the population due to attraction, even when it runs away from survival advantage.

my maxilla is forward grown View attachment 2038488

I was saying that you are one of the many people who recommends others to get bimax even though they shouldn't get it.

its for fun i cannot stop. also i have the frame and talent for it surprisingly. i do muaythai specifically and i would never give it up. there's always a desire in me to spar or fight people and normal sports aren't enough. not for compensating
so. i have to ascend & heal up 100% no silicon implants that will break on impact

It's "for fun" but you wouldn't be boxing if you were born with an amazing face. I know you had a bad life, but you don't have to beat up more attractive guys to feel better. Trust me, it doesn't make you more attractive, it just makes it look like you are overcompensating.

 

[sibience]

its easy to break ur bones happens in mma and boxing all the time

no they dont lol wtf? drink some milk ffs when is the last time u did anything physical

Either way boxing is a low IQ activity and so primitive and uncivilized.

 

[Skry]

its easy to break ur bones happens in mma and boxing all the time

u talk like u walk into ring u get tapped on the chin and it just shatters. lmao. even if ur super unlucky and ur in an absolute war/brawl and youre taking many shots to the face then the bone will simply fracture and u can heal up again. fillers/implants will literally just disspiate and break and then u will be standing there with a deformed face and everyone knows ur a fraud with plastic under skin
many pro boxers go through dozens of fights careers and retire with no facial injuries. and i am not doing it as a career so it will never get to that point

 

[noprogressno]

Yes I am, and I'm speaking the truth.

Explains why you are thinking that way.
The information you are giving is %10 true and %90 incorrect
Yes, asians do not need forward maxilla in the amount a caucasian needs.
Asians do not have projected nasal spines and bridges. In fact asian nasial spines and nasal bridges are the least projected among all races. A couple of research even in this forum would give you this information already.
The nasal spine and bridge themself is what determines how much forward growth is ideal for someone. Ideally lips shouldn't go past the nasal tip(Unless you are black). Yet in most asian cases, maxillary advancement causes lips to protrude more forwards than the nose tip. This is what creates the look you are talking about. I agree that in most cases asians do not need maxillary advancement, but just lower jaw setback.
However, you can't say the same thing for caucasians. Caucasians clearly have many recessed people. And I am not talking about just underbites, even most caucasians with normal bites are recessed.

This dude cannot possibly get that much lower jaw setback safely. For him to have a normal bite, he needs to get maxillary advancement EVEN THOUGH he is not as recessed as some people who has normal bites even(maxilla wise). Lets say if somehow he could get only lower jaw setback safely, then he would look flat as hell...

But you can't also come to me and say ''this dude and this woman are not recessed because they have a normal bites''. They might have a completely normal bites but they are completely recessed, even worse than some people who have underbites, and I bet you their teeth are crooked shit

Another thing you are half wrong and half correct about is people with overbites. The correct part is that some people who have overbites do not need maxillary advancement, because maxilla has already grown properly, but other people clearly need both maxillary advancement and mandible advancement. It is %50 %50

You can't tell me this woman, who has overbite and overjet, does not need maxillary advancement

You also cannot tell me this woman, who also had overbite and overjet did not need maxillary advancement. She got a big amount of advancement, both jaw and maxilla and her results turned out beautifully.

So in summary, the information you are giving here, is shit.

 

[noprogressno]

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not even the same person

 

[gribsufer1]

u talk like u walk into ring u get tapped on the chin and it just shatters. lmao. even if ur super unlucky and ur in an absolute war/brawl and youre taking many shots to the face then the bone will simply fracture and u can heal up again. fillers/implants will literally just disspiate and break and then u will be standing there with a deformed face and everyone knows ur a fraud with plastic under skin
many pro boxers go through dozens of fights careers and retire with no facial injuries. and i am not doing it as a career so it will never get to that point

knee strike to the face smashes ur nasal bridge

 

[sibience]

Explains why you are thinking that way.
The information you are giving is %10 true and %90 incorrect
Yes, asians do not need forward maxilla in the amount a caucasian needs.
Asians do not have projected nasal spines and bridges. In fact asian nasial spines and nasal bridges are the least projected among all races. A couple of research even in this forum would give you this information already.
The nasal spine and bridge themself is what determines how much forward growth is ideal for someone. Ideally lips shouldn't go past the nasal tip(Unless you are black). Yet in most asian cases, maxillary advancement causes lips to protrude more forwards than the nose tip. This is what creates the look you are talking about. I agree that in most cases asians do not need maxillary advancement, but just lower jaw setback.
However, you can't say the same thing for caucasians. Caucasians clearly have many recessed people. And I am not talking about just underbites, even most caucasians with normal bites are recessed.
View attachment 2038456This dude cannot possibly get that much lower jaw setback safely. For him to have a normal bite, he needs to get maxillary advancement EVEN THOUGH he is not as recessed as some people who has normal bites even(maxilla wise). Lets say if somehow he could get only lower jaw setback safely, then he would look flat as hell...
View attachment 2038461View attachment 2038484But you can't also come to me and say ''this dude and this woman are not recessed because they have a normal bites''. They might have a completely normal bites but they are completely recessed, even worse than some people who have underbites, and I bet you their teeth are crooked shit

Another thing you are half wrong and half correct about is people with overbites. The correct part is that some people who have overbites do not need maxillary advancement, because maxilla has already grown properly, but other people clearly need both maxillary advancement and mandible advancement. It is %50 %50
View attachment 2038504You can't tell me this woman, who has overbite and overjet, does not need maxillary advancement
View attachment 2038506You also cannot tell me this woman, who also had overbite and overjet did not need maxillary advancement. She got a big amount of advancement, both jaw and maxilla and her results turned out beautifully.

So in summary, the information you are giving here, is shit.

I literally never said against any of the points you made. I never said that the picture of the guy I posted only needs lower jaw setback, I literally said his maxilla was very recessed, of course it needs a lot of advancement.

And that girl with overbite and still recessed maxilla, I literally said that in my post - *** " Conclusion:

We see all these bimax (double jaw surgery) operations, and unless the maxilla is actually recessed (underbite, normal or overbite but both jaws very recessed) the surgeries barely do much. " ***



I literally said that people with normal bites or overbites can still have shit maxillas and need bimax.


You didn't understand the point of my post or you only read part of it.

 

[sibience]

u talk like u walk into ring u get tapped on the chin and it just shatters. lmao. even if ur super unlucky and ur in an absolute war/brawl and youre taking many shots to the face then the bone will simply fracture and u can heal up again. fillers/implants will literally just disspiate and break and then u will be standing there with a deformed face and everyone knows ur a fraud with plastic under skin
many pro boxers go through dozens of fights careers and retire with no facial injuries. and i am not doing it as a career so it will never get to that point

bro it's over for fightingcels.

Sometimes you have to choose either not being ugly or trying to overcompensate with ugliness by beating up men.

like @FailedNormieManlet

 

[noprogressno]

" Conclusion:

We see all these bimax (double jaw surgery) operations, and unless the maxilla is actually recessed (underbite, normal or overbite but both jaws very recessed) the surgeries barely do much. " ***

Well thats not what you said in the post but whatever...

 

[sibience]

Well thats not what you said in the post but whatever...

READ MY POST AGAIN.

Let me give a quick needed lesson on the maxilla:

1. In almost all cases, if someone's mandible is not recessed and they have a normal bite or overbite, their maxilla is not recessed.

2. Underbites either mean recessed maxilla or mandible prognathism.

I bolded it. In the examples you posted, their mandibles were recessed, even though they have a normal bite or overbite. So it doesn't mean their maxilla is not recessed.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

You don't understand do you? The longer tails spread into the population due to attraction, even when it runs away from survival advantage.

This has been disproven.

"Due to attraction". Again, what do you think would make all the females attracted to it?

 

[softlysoftly]

Again, what do you think would make all the females attracted to it?

selective pressure

 

[Deleted member 21044]

selective pressure

Yes but caused by what exactly?

 

[softlysoftly]

Yes but caused by what exactly?

no clue maybe some sort of advantage it gives... aesthetic, hunting, survival, aerodynamics, idk just a guess

 

[softlysoftly]

Yes but caused by what exactly?

did a quick google and saw this

Conversely, birds that need high maneuverability in order to feed aerially or avoid collisions in cluttered environments have longer tails.
Greater aerial manoeuvrability and agility, the aerodynamic advantages of a long tail ( Thomas & Balmford, 1995), will underlie natural selection for longtailedness. Such selection is presumably strong in species utilizing mainly aerial foraging techniques, and also in the prey species of these aerial predators.

 

[Deleted member 21044]

did a quick google and saw this

Conversely, birds that need high maneuverability in order to feed aerially or avoid collisions in cluttered environments have longer tails.
Greater aerial manoeuvrability and agility, the aerodynamic advantages of a long tail ( Thomas & Balmford, 1995), will underlie natural selection for longtailedness. Such selection is presumably strong in species utilizing mainly aerial foraging techniques, and also in the prey species of these aerial predators.

That's correct. What the retard @sibience didn't manage to come up with is that sexual selection develops because individuals who happen to be sexulally attracted to an evolutionarily successful trait are more likely to have evolutionaroly sucessful offspring, so this attraction spreads through the whole polupation. Attractiveness is a direct measure of evolutionary adaptedness.

 

[sibience]

did a quick google and saw this

Conversely, birds that need high maneuverability in order to feed aerially or avoid collisions in cluttered environments have longer tails.
Greater aerial manoeuvrability and agility, the aerodynamic advantages of a long tail ( Thomas & Balmford, 1995), will underlie natural selection for longtailedness. Such selection is presumably strong in species utilizing mainly aerial foraging techniques, and also in the prey species of these aerial predators.

Yes, but too long of a tail, which females select for, is also bad for them. There comes a point where too long of a tail becomes disadvantageous.

The red circle is the optimal tail length. That is somewhat long, but females still prefer a lot longer than that.

Yes but caused by what exactly?

Once again, there doesn't need to be a reason other than it is just biologically more attractive to females.

For example, taller males are more attractive, but being ideal height for a male would be bad for survival physiologically. The heart would have to work harder to circulate blood. That is why very tall people die earlier, and height is correlated with living shorter.

 

[Sens]

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different angles