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This thread is somewhat lengthy, I included pictures to make it more easily understandable.
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Eppley's "solution" to the wide hips question is a cope surgery
Here's what he offers https://www.eppleyplasticsurgery.com/how-can-i-reduce-the-horizontal-width-of-my-hips-hip-reduction/ A: I will assume that when you speak of more narrow hips that you are referring to reduction of the iliac crest, specifically the most lateral craved wing of the iliac...
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So I’ve noticed some users mistakenly assume that wide hips = wide upper pelvic bones only
That’s not true. You can have perfectly normal upper hip line width but bad hip joint / total p2p femoral head width. Take a look at this picture.
Notice the difference between high hip line and low hip line at different levels of the Z spatial axis.
Example of wide lower hips but normal upper hip line
That’s not true. You can have perfectly normal upper hip line width but bad hip joint / total p2p femoral head width. Take a look at this picture.
Notice the difference between high hip line and low hip line at different levels of the Z spatial axis.
Example of wide lower hips but normal upper hip line
I’ve proposed ways of trying to mitigate this problem at the linked “Thread 1” above, but that post’s main conceptual shortcoming was the failure to classify hipcel types according to the ways in which each can in principle be addressed.
There are 4 types of width irregularities that make up the hipceldom problem partially or entirely.
T1
Generally wide pelvis. So not necessarily bad upper hip to lower hip ratio, but bad waist + ribcage to hips ratio, and bad shoulders to hips ratio.
b) lower Ilium’s geometry and size
c) Pubic and Ischium’s bones width
d) see Type 4 below
Example:
T2
Wide lower hips, but NOT upper hips below the waist
Result of
a) lower Ilium’s geometry and size
b) Pubic and Ischium’s bones width
c) see Type 4 below
Examples:
T3
Wide upper hips AND even wider lower hips
(T2 but grown in width. So average upper hip width → wide and higher already lower hip width → even wider.
Essentially the closest a male pelvis can come to a female’s, minus Ilium’s edge to Pubic/Hip joint distance aka height at the Z spatial axis. Women’s pelvis is significantly shorter than men’s
but that’s irrelevant here)
Examples:
T4
This won’t alone make someone a hipcel but it’ll contribute. Femoral heads’ issue, but rare. Either
a) very small upper and lower pelvic body in width and long femurs with big femoral head bodies each
OR
b) a condition - deformity called Coxa Vara whereby the angle between the head and the shaft of the femur is reduced to less than 120 degrees.
This is important because the angle (and size) of the femoral head can determine whether you’ll have protruding lower hips or not if your pelvis geometry isn’t ideal already.
So it makes sense that, deformities aside, a person with smaller angle will have higher lower hip width all else being equal
There are 4 types of width irregularities that make up the hipceldom problem partially or entirely.
T1
Generally wide pelvis. So not necessarily bad upper hip to lower hip ratio, but bad waist + ribcage to hips ratio, and bad shoulders to hips ratio.
- Wide Ilium bones, meaning wider high hip line because of Iliac crests’ point to point distance
- Wide lower hip distance, as a side effect of
b) lower Ilium’s geometry and size
c) Pubic and Ischium’s bones width
d) see Type 4 below
Example:
T2
Wide lower hips, but NOT upper hips below the waist
Result of
a) lower Ilium’s geometry and size
b) Pubic and Ischium’s bones width
c) see Type 4 below
Examples:
T3
Wide upper hips AND even wider lower hips
(T2 but grown in width. So average upper hip width → wide and higher already lower hip width → even wider.
Essentially the closest a male pelvis can come to a female’s, minus Ilium’s edge to Pubic/Hip joint distance aka height at the Z spatial axis. Women’s pelvis is significantly shorter than men’s
but that’s irrelevant here)
Examples:
T4
This won’t alone make someone a hipcel but it’ll contribute. Femoral heads’ issue, but rare. Either
a) very small upper and lower pelvic body in width and long femurs with big femoral head bodies each
OR
b) a condition - deformity called Coxa Vara whereby the angle between the head and the shaft of the femur is reduced to less than 120 degrees.
This is important because the angle (and size) of the femoral head can determine whether you’ll have protruding lower hips or not if your pelvis geometry isn’t ideal already.
So it makes sense that, deformities aside, a person with smaller angle will have higher lower hip width all else being equal
Women won’t actively focus on your hips, but a dogshit frame like this guy’s:
will unconsciously put them off.
A somewhat better frame, with ribcage narrower than hips is still unattractive
Check the 4 types. Keep in mind that both men and women have a wider lower hips distance after puberty as seen in this Wikipedia photo.
en.wikipedia.org
If you have shit frame, were fat during puberty (increased rate of T to Estradiol), got exposed to high growth hormone levels (that’s why tall guys are more likely to be hipcels), even after most plates fused (people with big hands and feet), exposed to very high T that aromatized, or have shit estrogen receptor density or K syndrome, your risk is higher.
Being an anxious person with elevated cortisol during puberty probably wouldn’t help either.
will unconsciously put them off.
A somewhat better frame, with ribcage narrower than hips is still unattractive
Check the 4 types. Keep in mind that both men and women have a wider lower hips distance after puberty as seen in this Wikipedia photo.
Child development - Wikipedia
If you have shit frame, were fat during puberty (increased rate of T to Estradiol), got exposed to high growth hormone levels (that’s why tall guys are more likely to be hipcels), even after most plates fused (people with big hands and feet), exposed to very high T that aromatized, or have shit estrogen receptor density or K syndrome, your risk is higher.
Being an anxious person with elevated cortisol during puberty probably wouldn’t help either.
Gym isn’t guaranteed to work. Gandy roided and worked out and still has noticeably wide lower hips.
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I don’t recommend steroids.
This guy did an impressive transformation
Surgery:
Coming back to what I wrote earlier: I’ve proposed ways of trying to mitigate this problem at the linked “Thread 1**” above, but that post’s not only hadn't classification for the corresponding solution, it was mainly to showcase that Eppley's surgery alone is useless.
**https://looksmax.org/threads/eppleys-solution-to-the-wide-hips-question-is-a-cope-surgery.490104/
The problem is that surgery alone as posted is COPE. It’s supplemental only for cases with wide upper hips, aka T1, T3 not T2 or T4 - but again doing it alone as a T1 or T3, would then give you clear T2 hips, since your lower hip width = left unchanged.
But surely enough no one will agree to do it on syndromic clients.
Proof:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...A-Coxa-magna-with-saddle-shaped_fig1_51479771
T4, T2 --> Workout side abs, obliques, shoulders, avoid glute training, forget Eppley also 4) consider 4, if it's really bad.
T1, T3 --> Workout side abs, obliques, shoulders, avoid glute training - focus on hamstrings and quads, Eppley's surgery would work for you only if you done something for your lower hip width FIRST
*** You can add up to 5cm shoulder width with Clavicle Lengthening.
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That guy didn't do Clavicle Lengthening
As long as I remember the default answer to the wide hips question from the Looksmax community has been:
Well, there you go ☝☝.
- Stop doing heavy glute work, you probably will have added Y axis width (depth) so a 3/4 side front profile would make it look worse, and way worse if naked. Do isolated quad + and hamstring workout preferably
- Train side abs / obliques
- Train shoulders heavily
- Consider clavicle lengthening*** (this is a good thread by @RealSurgerymax )
Shoulder Widening 2020 State-Of-The-Art Review and Comparison (DO vs. Bone Graft vs. Sliding Clavicle Osteotomy vs. Alloplastic)
Hello Everyone, In the last year Shoulder Widening has become a big topic on the forums and last week Leif Rogers published a new procedure on YouTube, although I haven't seen anything in the journals yet. Shoulder Reduction Surgery for the MtF Plastic Surgery population has shown us that...
looksmax.org
I don’t recommend steroids.
This guy did an impressive transformation
Surgery:
Coming back to what I wrote earlier: I’ve proposed ways of trying to mitigate this problem at the linked “Thread 1**” above, but that post’s not only hadn't classification for the corresponding solution, it was mainly to showcase that Eppley's surgery alone is useless.
**https://looksmax.org/threads/eppleys-solution-to-the-wide-hips-question-is-a-cope-surgery.490104/
- There’s already cosmetic surgery being offered for wide hips (see Thread 1) by Eppley:
The problem is that surgery alone as posted is COPE. It’s supplemental only for cases with wide upper hips, aka T1, T3 not T2 or T4 - but again doing it alone as a T1 or T3, would then give you clear T2 hips, since your lower hip width = left unchanged.
- If you read Thread 1 ’s comments, it turns out that you working out your upper body might not be enough for bad cases (see T3 pics)
- Pelvic osteotomy would fix the problem instead of mask it, plus give you some bonus height. It'd probably require shaving of the inner pubic bones first:
But surely enough no one will agree to do it on syndromic clients.
- Coxa Vara fixing surgery, Corrective Valgus osteotomy is essentially a surgery changing the femoral head angle (see T4). Orthopedic surgeons like Dror Paley (who does LL) who do this, not sure if they’ll do it to non deformed patients
Proof:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...A-Coxa-magna-with-saddle-shaped_fig1_51479771
T4, T2 --> Workout side abs, obliques, shoulders, avoid glute training, forget Eppley also 4) consider 4, if it's really bad.
T1, T3 --> Workout side abs, obliques, shoulders, avoid glute training - focus on hamstrings and quads, Eppley's surgery would work for you only if you done something for your lower hip width FIRST
*** You can add up to 5cm shoulder width with Clavicle Lengthening.
Shoulder Widening 2020 State-Of-The-Art Review and Comparison (DO vs. Bone Graft vs. Sliding Clavicle Osteotomy vs. Alloplastic)
Hello Everyone, In the last year Shoulder Widening has become a big topic on the forums and last week Leif Rogers published a new procedure on YouTube, although I haven't seen anything in the journals yet. Shoulder Reduction Surgery for the MtF Plastic Surgery population has shown us that...
looksmax.org
That guy didn't do Clavicle Lengthening
As long as I remember the default answer to the wide hips question from the Looksmax community has been:
Well, there you go ☝☝.
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Edit: For the low IQ users like Danish Retard and @incel194012940 , you don't have to roid and fuck up your balls and natural test production and overall health. READ ffs: Clavicle lengthening can emulate this
Don't comment if you haven't read the post. It's not that hard.
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