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Based, mse will only give you bigger nose and a tooth gap
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bonesmash+mk677 but please.. gatekeep it..BUT BUT but bu tt what about LOOX
implants is cope tbYes, this cut is extra weird
I saw another cut while ramus lenghtening but of course it's better to use implants.
it pushes zygos out laterally via bilateral maxillary expansionMSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would
alar stretch isnt that crazy & there are different techniques/appliances to prevent or minimize asymmetry/complicationsLetting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF
theres mandible expanders too you know. bsso doesnt magically widen ur mandible either fyi, for mse is exclusively a bilateral movement, whilst bsso is focused on anterior movementsThe mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW
even if you are referring to ONLY mse - there are other techniques as you may know. completely false either way.Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon.
only happens if there is no proper retention for the full osteogenesis periodsome palate expanding results return to baseline
still true, but not everyone can afford that, as this forum is full of 14 year old ibutamoren goblinsYou are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants
you arent helping your point with this table either
If you do bimax alone you wa.t entirely fix your maxilla projectionMSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.
If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.
There are multiple downsides to MSE.
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Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.
The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.
Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.
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Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed
In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.
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Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.
"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.
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You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.
Bimax B/A.
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Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.
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@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro
Most of the expansion happens closer to the center of expansion. It does fuck all to your zygos.it pushes zygos out laterally via bilateral maxillary expansion
Just straight up wrong.alar stretch isnt that crazy
Let's just spend even more money, great idea.theres mandible expanders too
All other palate expanders are equally dogshit. Everyone is better off just getting osteotomies.even if you are referring to ONLY mse
You won't be able to explain why even some osteotomies return closer to baseline.only happens if there is no proper retention for the full osteogenesis period
They can't afford palate and mandible expanders either. Just use something that doesn't work at all because it is 5% cheaper theory.still true, but not everyone can afford that
The skull finished developing for the most part at the age of 5 already, JFL if you think you can change your whole skull with thumbpulling or palate expanders.arent helping your point with this table
So what do I get then? I’ve already been offered Marpe for free of charge due to a narrow palate. Ive read studies showing 1.5-2.9mm zygomatic expansion each side. Also giantimplants told me 25% of his clients experience noticeable changes.MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.
If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.
There are multiple downsides to MSE.
View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708
Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.
The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.
Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.
![]()
Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed
In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.
View attachment 3892734
Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.
"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.
View attachment 3892720
You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.
Bimax B/A.
View attachment 3892761
Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.
View attachment 3892744
@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro
so i can grow my maxilla and mandible still if im 16MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.
If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.
There are multiple downsides to MSE.
View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708
Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.
The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.
Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.
![]()
Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed
In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.
View attachment 3892734
Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.
"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.
View attachment 3892720
You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.
Bimax B/A.
View attachment 3892761
Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.
View attachment 3892744
@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro
sarpe, segmental lefort clears 100%MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.
If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.
There are multiple downsides to MSE.
View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708
Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.
The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.
Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.
![]()
Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed
In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.
View attachment 3892734
Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.
"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.
View attachment 3892720
You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.
Bimax B/A.
View attachment 3892761
Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.
View attachment 3892744
@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro
that implies that it stretches a gap in the middle. it doesnt. it pulls the maxilla apart, therefore widening your zygos. it is a well-documented fact.Most of the expansion happens closer to the center of expansion. It does fuck all to your zygos.
it depends on the caseJust straight up wrong.
extra few hundred bucks, lets gooLet's just spend even more money, great idea.
All other palate expanders are equally dogshit.
Just straight up wrong.
for the exact same reason. fyi its called relapse & theres ways to mitigate it and unlikely exceptions/complications, ofcYou won't be able to explain why even some osteotomies return closer to baseline.
quad digit price tags are an ai-generated myth but okThey can't afford palate and mandible expanders either. Just use something that doesn't work at all because it is 5% cheaper theory.
cant read UR OWN material? in the table u included, kindly check the maxillary development age. zygos sit on top of it laterally, they dont “grow” during mse; they MOVE with the maxilla btw, before u start about THEIR development end age.The skull finished developing for the most part at the age of 5 already,
if you spend more than 2 seconds thinking - you will realize that turning your head anywhere off perfect side makes maxillary projection look WORSE. there is no way to fraud it. looking up or down is irrelevant, as cephalometric landmarks are used to get the maxillary projection angle - and they are at constant positions. a good example (if you dont get it still) is the same way you cannot fraud past the FHP. as for tilting the head - i would need to tilt it a LOT to get the angle to change THAT much, and as you can see there is no head tilt in the pic at all. plus, the triangle would then be squished - and its not. easy geometry my niggaAlso go on and send your thumbpulling B/As where you turned your head three-dimensionally to fraud results.
Would u say MSE could give u wide set eyes then?it pushes zygos out laterally via bilateral maxillary expansion
alar stretch isnt that crazy & there are different techniques/appliances to prevent or minimize asymmetry/complications
theres mandible expanders too you know. bsso doesnt magically widen ur mandible either fyi, for mse is exclusively a bilateral movement, whilst bsso is focused on anterior movements
even if you are referring to ONLY mse - there are other techniques as you may know. completely false either way.
only happens if there is no proper retention for the full osteogenesis period
still true, but not everyone can afford that, as this forum is full of 14 year old ibutamoren goblins
lateral maxillary expansion is still a good pick if you need a slight facial width increase though, but only if that will not compromise, say, eye-related ratios, etc
you arent helping your point with this table either
mirin edgy doomer repfarm tho![]()
MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.
If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.
There are multiple downsides to MSE.
View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708
Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.
The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.
Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.
![]()
Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed
In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.
View attachment 3892734
Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.
"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.
View attachment 3892720
You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.
Bimax B/A.
View attachment 3892761
Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.
View attachment 3892744
@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro
Most of the expansion happens closer to the center of expansion. It does fuck all to your zygos.
Let's just spend even more money, great idea.
All other palate expanders are equally dogshit. Everyone is better off just getting osteotomies.
Thumbpulling will go back to baseline because there is no retainer / braces afterwards. Also thumbpulling only does actually grow more bone when you gain a space inbetween your front teeth, otherwise the "8mm gain" is just molars being tilted.
“I hate braces and orthodontists, they’re a cope and a scam, but I want to get bimax”
Seems like we’re the only ones in this post who know what we’re talking about, and this thread is a joke. They need to change it.that implies that it stretches a gap in the middle. it doesnt. it pulls the maxilla apart, therefore widening your zygos. it is a well-documented fact.
it depends on the case
extra few hundred bucks, lets goo
for the exact same reason. fyi its called relapse & theres ways to mitigate it and unlikely exceptions/complications, ofc
quad digit price tags are an ai-generated myth but ok
cant read UR OWN material? in the table u included, kindly check the maxillary development age. zygos sit on top of it laterally, they dont “grow” during mse; they MOVE with the maxilla btw, before u start about THEIR development end age.
if you spend more than 2 seconds thinking - you will realize that turning your head anywhere off perfect side makes maxillary projection look WORSE. there is no way to fraud it. looking up or down is irrelevant, as cephalometric landmarks are used to get the maxillary projection angle - and they are at constant positions. a good example (if you dont get it still) is the same way you cannot fraud past the FHP. as for tilting the head - i would need to tilt it a LOT to get the angle to change THAT much, and as you can see there is no head tilt in the pic at all. plus, the triangle would then be squished - and its not. easy geometry my nigga![]()