In my eyes honestly, I'd seek to exterminate the desire completely.
You are better off asexual.
Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.
A comment I posted on the following thread:
just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now
i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELFlooksmax.org
Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.
Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.
Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.
An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.
Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.
Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.
To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.
Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.
Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.
If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.
It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.
- Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
- Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
- You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
- The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.
Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached
@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?
Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?
Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?
Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.
It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to
You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)
- Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
- You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.
Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.
Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.
You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.
If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.
The root cause is the desire, and the clinging it causes.
Resistance is futile since the desire is still there.
You'll end up jerking off to your imagination.
Desire doesn't come out of nowhere, it has a cause.
If you become more aware of your thoughts and perceptions, you'll see that desire can come out of random trains of thought. An example.
First thought: *Reads that Xi Jinping wants to invade Taiwan* "Didn't my chinese classmate talk about how he things the CCP is ethical, bullshit"
that leads to
Second thought: "What do chinese american people think about this?"
that leads to
Third thought: "what about chinese women?"
that leads to
4th: "what about korean women? that's even more interesting, what DO they think about this. I hope they support peace"
that leads to
5th: *thinks about kpop-worshipping white women*
that leads to
6th: *thinks about an attractive white women worshipping a Chang one remembersfrom tiktok*
that leads to
7th: *thinks about attractive white women*
that leads to
8th *elicits a sexual response in the body*
... 17th *decides to type in pornhub.com and pulls out his dick*
18th: *decides to start jerking off*
The church method is nice but it doesn't do anything about the desire and the clinging the desire causes. It's just a very good suppression mechanism.
There's a quote I read that went something like this.
"Every time I talk to a priest, he wants to talk about sex. Every time I talk to a prostitute, she wants to talk about God. Whatever you deny yourself is your new mental prison."
Thank you!
never read that.
Good point but we also have to realize that someone with a busy and productive life will still have sexual thoughts that can escalate from time to time.
Good point but we also have to realize that someone with a busy and productive life will still have sexual thoughts that can escalate from time to time.
the sexual thoughts will be from real life though. seeing a hot girl or some girl u socialized with.
What do you mean?
Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.
A comment I posted on the following thread:
just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now
i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF
Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.
Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.
Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.
An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.
Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.
Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.
To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.
Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.
Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.
If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.
It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.
- Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
- Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
- You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
- The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.
Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached
@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?
Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?
Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?
Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.
It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to
You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)
- Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
- You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.
Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.
Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.
You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.
If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.
The root cause is the desire, and the clinging it causes.
Resistance is futile since the desire is still there.
You'll end up jerking off to your imagination.
Desire doesn't come out of nowhere, it has a cause.
If you become more aware of your thoughts and perceptions, you'll see that desire can come out of random trains of thought. An example.
First thought: *Reads that Xi Jinping wants to invade Taiwan* "Didn't my chinese classmate talk about how he things the CCP is ethical, bullshit"
that leads to
Second thought: "What do chinese american people think about this?"
that leads to
Third thought: "what about chinese women?"
that leads to
4th: "what about korean women? that's even more interesting, what DO they think about this. I hope they support peace"
that leads to
5th: *thinks about kpop-worshipping white women*
that leads to
6th: *thinks about an attractive white women worshipping a Chang one remembersfrom tiktok*
that leads to
7th: *thinks about attractive white women*
that leads to
8th *elicits a sexual response in the body*
... 17th *decides to type in pornhub.com and pulls out his dick*
18th: *decides to start jerking off*
The church method is nice but it doesn't do anything about the desire and the clinging the desire causes. It's just a very good suppression mechanism.
There's a quote I read that went something like this.
"Every time I talk to a priest, he wants to talk about sex. Every time I talk to a prostitute, she wants to talk about God. Whatever you deny yourself is your new mental prison."
Not doing it at all and doing it with porn and all the time are two extremes.
Then what's the point in them?
Covenant eyes works really well for pc but not on your phone I found a way around it lol
Excatly. The app would have to like be uninstallable and un-turnoff-able
Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.
A comment I posted on the following thread:
just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now
i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF
Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.
Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.
Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.
An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.
Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.
Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.
To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.
Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.
Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.
If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.
It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.
- Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
- Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
- You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
- The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.
Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached
@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?
Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?
Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?
Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.
It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to
You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)
- Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
- You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.
Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.
Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.
You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.
If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.
The root cause is the desire, and the clinging it causes.
Resistance is futile since the desire is still there.
You'll end up jerking off to your imagination.
Desire doesn't come out of nowhere, it has a cause.
If you become more aware of your thoughts and perceptions, you'll see that desire can come out of random trains of thought. An example.
First thought: *Reads that Xi Jinping wants to invade Taiwan* "Didn't my chinese classmate talk about how he things the CCP is ethical, bullshit"
that leads to
Second thought: "What do chinese american people think about this?"
that leads to
Third thought: "what about chinese women?"
that leads to
4th: "what about korean women? that's even more interesting, what DO they think about this. I hope they support peace"
that leads to
5th: *thinks about kpop-worshipping white women*
that leads to
6th: *thinks about an attractive white women worshipping a Chang one remembersfrom tiktok*
that leads to
7th: *thinks about attractive white women*
that leads to
8th *elicits a sexual response in the body*
... 17th *decides to type in pornhub.com and pulls out his dick*
18th: *decides to start jerking off*
The church method is nice but it doesn't do anything about the desire and the clinging the desire causes. It's just a very good suppression mechanism.
There's a quote I read that went something like this.
"Every time I talk to a priest, he wants to talk about sex. Every time I talk to a prostitute, she wants to talk about God. Whatever you deny yourself is your new mental prison."
You shouldn't be denying anything. If you're denying it, you're just restricting access to what you crave. You shouldn't be craving fapping and pornography
Use detoxify
Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.
A comment I posted on the following thread:
just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now
i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF
Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.
Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.
Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.
An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.
Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.
Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.
To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.
Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.
Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.
If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.
It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.
- Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
- Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
- You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
- The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.
Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached
@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?
Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?
Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?
Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.
It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to
You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)
- Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
- You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.
Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.
Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.
You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.
If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.
The root cause is the desire, and the clinging it causes.
Resistance is futile since the desire is still there.
You'll end up jerking off to your imagination.
Desire doesn't come out of nowhere, it has a cause.
If you become more aware of your thoughts and perceptions, you'll see that desire can come out of random trains of thought. An example.
First thought: *Reads that Xi Jinping wants to invade Taiwan* "Didn't my chinese classmate talk about how he things the CCP is ethical, bullshit"
that leads to
Second thought: "What do chinese american people think about this?"
that leads to
Third thought: "what about chinese women?"
that leads to
4th: "what about korean women? that's even more interesting, what DO they think about this. I hope they support peace"
that leads to
5th: *thinks about kpop-worshipping white women*
that leads to
6th: *thinks about an attractive white women worshipping a Chang one remembersfrom tiktok*
that leads to
7th: *thinks about attractive white women*
that leads to
8th *elicits a sexual response in the body*
... 17th *decides to type in pornhub.com and pulls out his dick*
18th: *decides to start jerking off*
The church method is nice but it doesn't do anything about the desire and the clinging the desire causes. It's just a very good suppression mechanism.
There's a quote I read that went something like this.
"Every time I talk to a priest, he wants to talk about sex. Every time I talk to a prostitute, she wants to talk about God. Whatever you deny yourself is your new mental prison."
You shouldn't be denying anything. If you're denying it, you're just restricting access to what you crave. You shouldn't be craving fapping and pornography
Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.
A comment I posted on the following thread:
just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now
i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF
Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.
Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.
Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.
An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.
Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.
Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.
To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.
Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.
Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.
If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.
It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.
- Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
- Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
- You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
- The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.
Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached
@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?
Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?
Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?
Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.
It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to
You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)
- Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
- You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.
Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.
Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.
You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.
If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.
The root cause is the desire, and the clinging it causes.
Resistance is futile since the desire is still there.
You'll end up jerking off to your imagination.
Desire doesn't come out of nowhere, it has a cause.
If you become more aware of your thoughts and perceptions, you'll see that desire can come out of random trains of thought. An example.
First thought: *Reads that Xi Jinping wants to invade Taiwan* "Didn't my chinese classmate talk about how he things the CCP is ethical, bullshit"
that leads to
Second thought: "What do chinese american people think about this?"
that leads to
Third thought: "what about chinese women?"
that leads to
4th: "what about korean women? that's even more interesting, what DO they think about this. I hope they support peace"
that leads to
5th: *thinks about kpop-worshipping white women*
that leads to
6th: *thinks about an attractive white women worshipping a Chang one remembersfrom tiktok*
that leads to
7th: *thinks about attractive white women*
that leads to
8th *elicits a sexual response in the body*
... 17th *decides to type in pornhub.com and pulls out his dick*
18th: *decides to start jerking off*
The church method is nice but it doesn't do anything about the desire and the clinging the desire causes. It's just a very good suppression mechanism.
There's a quote I read that went something like this.
"Every time I talk to a priest, he wants to talk about sex. Every time I talk to a prostitute, she wants to talk about God. Whatever you deny yourself is your new mental prison."
You shouldn't be denying anything. If you're denying it, you're just restricting access to what you crave. You shouldn't be craving fapping and pornography
Here is a compilation of sayings I have said on the forum about this subject.
A comment I posted on the following thread:
just jerked off for the last time ever/streak starting now
i actually feel fucking terrible,its got to the point where i will turn off the video mid bust before the clarity hits.if you jerk off all the time and dont see it as a problem/you are oblivious to how much it destroys your body please KILL YOUR SELF
Why? Because you see your body as "you" and not an independent thing trying to convince, persuade and intoxicating your perception to comply to its animalistic desires.
Stoic endurance only lasts so long. Discipline only goes so far. As long as you're attached, you're just resisting a temptation you secretly want.
Only detachment and the proper application of focus on productive thinking that exterminates such thoughts from entering and/or staying in your mind will prevent relapsing.
An example of focusing on productive thinking: Focusing on the fact that your body is intoxicating you to comply with it's animalistic desire to procreate, observing it with complete detachment, watching your body cling, crave and create persuasive narratives to comply. Just observe and detach from it, let the body try to persuade you, it will eventually subside. Do this over and over again for a long time and you'll slowly become desexualized, detached and unaffected by sexual stimulus and responses, and eventually you won't even have them anymore.
Also, be focused on what causes lust to arise as well.
Also, question "Why am I horny?" until your brain hurts and you've literally ran out of ideas in this observant, detached state. You'll find (like I have) that you perceive certain sensory stimulus as a gateway to feel pleasurable feelings in some way, and that perception is so, so deeply entrenched that your body automatically ignites a biological response without your conscious approval.
To defeat this response, you must constantly be laser focused, observant and detached (mindfulness) at the arising, endurance and waning of lust. Your goal is to not react and drop the veil of lust through sheer observation. Doing this everyday will lead to the realization (like I have) that all you're seeing is a bunch of moving visual stimulus, and that stimulus is tainted by the perception that you can get very positive feelings by acting on that stimulus, therefore eliciting an automatic response (getting hard, and feeling horny), inciting you (who is identified with the body, and not seeing it as a separate entity) to fap, not realizing that fapping is unsatisfactory, leads to suffering and that lust is impermanent and will eventually subside if you wait it out.
Post nut clarity hurts so bad because the intoxicant is gone, like a curtain, showing the true nature of the act committed.
This is why lust is so enthralling and alluring. The intoxicant is in full swing, like a curtain, hiding the true nature of the act that will be committed.
Here's an extreme exercise you can do right now that I learned a lot from.
Go on a pornography site and watch a video (preferably a long one) and focus and observe the video, detached. Cease the lustful perception tainting your mind and just watch the video, detached as if you were merely a soulless camera just taking in or recording visual stimulus.
If you can hold that completely detached state for a long time, like I did once (haven't been able to replicate it since it's so hard to do), you'll find something miraculous.
It was like Plato's allegory of the cave, I was freed from the flawed perception, the illusion.
- Your body is telling your mind to tell the ego (sense of identity/you) to pull out the most seductive, compelling, alluring, persuasive sales pitch of all time on why you should take your right or left hand off of your phone and on your dick and fap.
- Your brain and mind is so sexualized to the point that you'll see that they'll literally attempt to take over control of your hand to get you to do the act.
- You'll see all the defects of the mind that taint your perception into believing that fapping is something that is very, very important and must be acted upon immediately. Observe, detached. Resisting assumes you're depriving yourself of something you want. Observation combined with detachment slowly removes the want by developing wisdom, this leads me to the last point.
- The most shocking, life changing thing I've discovered in the past 90 days is that I was literally able to watch porn, hold that intense mindful concentration for a while and I literally felt my dick shrink, the sexual perception waned significantly, and it was if I induced post nut clarity without ejaculation, of course without the shame since I've never ejaculated. I saw porn for what it really was, a bunch of moving pixels, nothing more nothing less. It was so profound, like I saw the end of the tunnel that nobody has been to. The land in which lust can't exist. I was so profoundly surprised at that realization. I realized that the brain can actually turn off its sexuality button. I was free, for like 3 seconds. I couldn't hold that intense focus and detachment and it all came back again.
Of course, I still have more to learn about lust but that's my input.
Even I still haven't defeated it, despite knowing all of this due to clinging to the idea that I should pursue that pleasure and not staying detached
@bigman1950 said: Yo I just did this, the watching porn video and then just staring as u are the camera. I got hard at some parts, but then my dick went a litttle bit down but then up. I watched another one and I don’t seem to go up. Do you have any other tips to stop this. And while doing this extreme exercise, what do I think in my mind, do I think I am a camera, do I focus on the breathe, do I just stare, should I have any thoughts?
Did you make some progress in breaking through the illusion? Like when you dick went down, did your sexual arousal also go down?
Stop what? Automatic responses to perceived sexual stimuli?
Cameras do not have thoughts in their mind. Cameras don't think. Cameras don't have identities. Cameras do not tell themselves "I am a camera", "I am not a camera" or any other sort of "I am" sentence.
It just sees, it just takes in visual stimulus. It doesn't have attachments to sexual desire.
When meditators say "focus on the breath" and nothing but the breath, in this manner too, your job is to
You should just be experiencing the present moment, detached, absorbing the stimulus. You can also observe the body and it's response to the stimulus simultaneously (detached as always or else you'll identify with it and crave the desire)
- Focus on the visual stimulus of pornography, completely detached
- You can also focus on the body's automatic and deeply ingrained response to the stimulus.
Through this practice, one will start making dents into the illusion of sexual desire, seeing it as merely an extremely deeply automatic response to stimulus deemed as a potential sexual opportunity to gain temporary pleasure. One will eventually see it as unproductive, and a useless activity (especially masturbation) that can be better spent acquiring valuable skills, knowledge, and resources.
Also, if you have to resist, that means you still want it, and you're also thinking on the wrong plane of thought. It also means you're attached to and clinging to your desire for sexual gratification.
You're supposed to observe your thoughts, completely detached, non-reactive and non-engaged with them. Same for your sexual arousal and it's effects on you.
If one engages with their sexual thoughts and impulses and refuses or doesn't step back from being detached, observant and non-reactive to them, or doesn't exterminate such thoughts, you will sooner or later fap.
The root cause is the desire, and the clinging it causes.
Resistance is futile since the desire is still there.
You'll end up jerking off to your imagination.
Desire doesn't come out of nowhere, it has a cause.
If you become more aware of your thoughts and perceptions, you'll see that desire can come out of random trains of thought. An example.
First thought: *Reads that Xi Jinping wants to invade Taiwan* "Didn't my chinese classmate talk about how he things the CCP is ethical, bullshit"
that leads to
Second thought: "What do chinese american people think about this?"
that leads to
Third thought: "what about chinese women?"
that leads to
4th: "what about korean women? that's even more interesting, what DO they think about this. I hope they support peace"
that leads to
5th: *thinks about kpop-worshipping white women*
that leads to
6th: *thinks about an attractive white women worshipping a Chang one remembersfrom tiktok*
that leads to
7th: *thinks about attractive white women*
that leads to
8th *elicits a sexual response in the body*
... 17th *decides to type in pornhub.com and pulls out his dick*
18th: *decides to start jerking off*
The church method is nice but it doesn't do anything about the desire and the clinging the desire causes. It's just a very good suppression mechanism.
There's a quote I read that went something like this.
"Every time I talk to a priest, he wants to talk about sex. Every time I talk to a prostitute, she wants to talk about God. Whatever you deny yourself is your new mental prison."
You shouldn't be denying anything. If you're denying it, you're just restricting access to what you crave. You shouldn't be craving fapping and pornography
Fap is greatwhat r inkwells supposed to do fr?
sloppy 2nds .exe
nahh... bruh...he still a good boi @enchanted_elixir
You agree with me.
