Neat low dose enclo || GTFIH

[Navity]

I'm thinking of hopping on low dose enclo or a very similar pharma to boost a bit of test + lower my estrogen a bit(not crash it)

Thoughts?

@Askinov

 

[shivwr]

I'm thinking of hopping on low dose enclo or a very similar pharma to boost a bit of test + lower my estrogen a bit(not crash it)

Thoughts?

@Askinov

It’ll close your growth plates and lower your IGF1

 

[Navity]

It’ll close your growth plates and lower your IGF1

Source? Just typing out straight shit pulled out of a cow in Pakistan.

 

[shivwr]

Source? Just typing out straight shit pulled out of a cow in Pakistan.

Reduced IGF-1 Levels Following Clomiphene Treatment for Male Hypogonadism - PMC

The selective estrogen receptor modulator clomiphene stimulates pituitary-derived gonadotropins to generate sex steroids including estrogen. Estrogen activates SOCS-3, which can inhibit growth hormone-directed JAK/STAT signaling to reduce serum ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Navity]

Reduced IGF-1 Levels Following Clomiphene Treatment for Male Hypogonadism - PMC

The selective estrogen receptor modulator clomiphene stimulates pituitary-derived gonadotropins to generate sex steroids including estrogen. Estrogen activates SOCS-3, which can inhibit growth hormone-directed JAK/STAT signaling to reduce serum ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I don't have hypogonadism.

 

[shivwr]

I don't have hypogonadism.

Hypogonadism is just the primary candidates for Enclomiphene that they use to test it. Either way it lowers IGF1

 

[shivwr]

15k rep and you still don’t know the most basic shit

 

[Navity]

Hypogonadism is just the primary candidates for Enclomiphene that they use to test it. Either way it lowers IGF1

The research was done on 25+ year old, not only that Testes and IGF-1 are positively corelated, all in all, even If it does lower IGF-1, it won't be as much as the people already had small balls.

So, if enclo boosts test, which will in some way also boost GH, which will boost IGF-1, so even if my IGF-1 gets reduced a lot by enclo, it will also help increase it too, ensuring that the effect wont be that severe, that is if it would be any.

If I'm wrong anywhere, let me know.

15k rep and you still don’t know the most basic shit

Yes, I will admit I am not very heavily educated on this topic since I never considered taking Steroids due to my age, now that I am considering it, I'm researching about it too.

 

[shivwr]

The research was done on 25+ year old, not only that Testes and IGF-1 are positively corelated, all in all, even If it does lower IGF-1, it won't be as much as the people already had small balls.

So, if enclo boosts test, which will in some way also boost GH, which will boost IGF-1, so even if my IGF-1 gets reduced a lot by enclo, it will also help increase it too, ensuring that the effect wont be that severe, that is if it would be any.

Almost all research for Enclomiphene is done in hypogonadle men because that is what Enclomiphene is being approved to treat.

As for the IGF1 decrease, Enclomiphene tricks your body into thinking it has low estrogen. Because estrogen stimulates GH secretion, blocking the estrogen receptors with enclo will reduce GH pulses. Less GH means less liver stimulation and less IGF1.

 

[shivwr]

You can counter it with mk677 but don’t even think about hopping on either if you’re not done growing. Better to just inject Growth hormone

 

[Navity]

Almost all research for Enclomiphene is done in hypogonadle men because that is what Enclomiphene is being approved to treat.

As for the IGF1 decrease, Enclomiphene tricks your body into thinking it has low estrogen. Because estrogen stimulates GH secretion, blocking the estrogen receptors with enclo will reduce GH pulses. Less GH means less liver stimulation and less IGF1.

So according to you a low dose enclo would do more bad then good?

You can counter it with mk677 but don’t even think about hopping on either if you’re not done growing. Better to just inject Growth hormone

mk677

I'll look into it I suppose, I could run maybe a mk + enclo cycle for 3 months or so.

 

[shivwr]

So according to you a low dose enclo would do more bad then good?

mk677

I'll look into it I suppose, I could run maybe a mk + enclo cycle for 3 months or so.

Depends on your goals, if you’re using it to grow it is an absolute waste of money and will do the opposite. If you just want extra test and gains yes low dose Enclomiphene is good but pair it with low dose mk677 to counter the IGF1 lowering