Never use Minoxidil

[HostSamurai]

Best option for hair is always prevention. So good shit on the Fin. If shit goes downhill, Dutasteride and hair transplant.

Yeah my hair is my main halo I feel, always get compliments and IOIs from it. And yeah I am fine with taking Dutasteride as well in the future. My dad is still NW1 as well at 60. It's my mom's side that concerns me. I don't want their genes to kick in. Her dad was bald and two of her brothers were bald.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

how does castor oil taste?

Not had. Just get spoon, castor oil in spoon. Then just wash it down with water, you barely taste it.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

eyelash curler would be pretty obvious and i cant risk my roommates finding about it

It’s not obvious, but yes, if they find it, it’s over.

 

[Litekiller11]

Not had. Just get spoon, castor oil in spoon. Then just wash it down with water, you barely taste it.

thanks for the help

 

[chadisbeingmade]

well ofc but you're sacrificing hair gains i don't think there are other ways to get oral min results isnt it?

Oral Castor oil is the best best option. Very effective. 5-10mL not bs 1mL a day. No bloat.

 

[PsychoH]

I only used for a week so cannot comment.

send me a message later on.

 

[albanianblackguy]

Holy fuck there are a lot to reply to. Lemme finish my gym set and I will reply.

cant bother reading everything, does topical minoxidil bloat u (just a bit on the brows)?

 

[ascending birdcel]

Oral Castor oil is the best best option. Very effective. 5-10mL not bs 1mL a day. No bloat.

do you think the effect is similar to oral min? I know you get bloated af with it and if it works and can do it long term i might switch

 

[´´´´´´´´]

Just use Eplerenone in conjunction. Minoxidil bloats you because the hyperpolarization induces an increase in sodium retention through increased aldosterone biosynthesis in order to reduce intracellular potassium.

50mg is more than enough, I say this because LDOM + spironolactone (another aldosterone antagonist that also blocks androgen receptors) is a safe treatment for female androgenic alopecia. Minox was dosed at 0.25mg and spiro was dosed at 25mg, a dosage that Eplerenone equals in terms of mineralocorticoid effects at 50mg without any risk of androgen blockade.

Running 20-80mg (above 80mg and you're fucking up your thyroid) Furosemide every saturday when going out for short-term debloating makes peripheral edema even less likely to happen.

 

[ascending birdcel]

Just use Eplerenone in conjunction. Minoxidil bloats you because the hyperpolarization induces an increase in sodium retention through increased aldosterone biosynthesis in order to reduce intracellular potassium.

50mg is more than enough, I say this because LDOM + spironolactone (another aldosterone antagonist that also blocks androgen receptors) is a safe treatment for female androgenic alopecia. Minox was dosed at 0.25mg and spiro was dosed at 25mg, a dosage that Eplerenone equals in terms of mineralocorticoid effects at 50mg without any risk of androgen blockade.

Running 20-80mg lasix every saturday when going out for short-term debloating could make peripheral edema even less likely

So basically if i could do 0 sodium not 1 mg more i wouldn't get oral min bloat effect?

 

[narex054]

Brows - Oral castor at 5-10mL does work
Hair - Wageslave and get hair transplant in future or get a hair system

Can i combine both oral castor at morning and Derma stamp followed with topical argan oil at night.What do u Think?
I think it’s S-tier combination.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

I have glaucoma in one of my eyes and they gave latanoprost, which is similar to latisse, and I’ve used it for 8 years and my eyelashes on my right eye thst has glaucoma is a lot thicker and longer than my left but still not enough to get noticed. I’ve drastically reduced the eye drop usage and the lashes have still stayed. My fat pads on both eyes tho surprisingly have been annihilated. I’m 18 with undereyes of a 30 year old.

Yes it’s the same really, I didn’t even use lattise when I tried, I used the generic version. The active ingredient is the same.

That’s brutal for the eye fat pad loss. Maybe look into some fat grafting.

For lashes, my recommendation would be to try Oral Castor Oil.

If your only goal is to grow your lashes, oral castor oil does actually work at non cope dosages of 5-10mL a day. MPMD has a video on the science of it, but it’s due to oral castor oil increasing PGE2, which causes hair growth. He didn’t get results since he only used 1mL. I tried with 5-10mL and it does work. I just can’t be asked to drink it daily, so stopped. (It will also grow all hair including body hair, eyebrows etc)

It’s really the best alternative i’ve found.

GHK-cu is said to also increase hair growth, but I have never tried and I don’t think it will yield results anywhere close to oral castor.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

So basically if i could do 0 sodium not 1 mg more i wouldn't get oral min bloat effect?

Sodium is necessary. You NEED it. It’s essential.

Just drop the minox if bloating is a concern and give oral castor a shot. You have nothing to lose apart from the bloat.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

I use it on my beard(or where my beard will be once it kicks in)

This is the only valid reason I see to use it.

 

[ascending birdcel]

Sodium is necessary. You NEED it. It’s essential.

Just drop the minox if bloating is a concern and give oral castor a shot. You have nothing to lose apart from the bloat.

it gave very good results for my hair i'm scared af to drop it

 

[chadisbeingmade]

cant bother reading everything, does topical minoxidil bloat u (just a bit on the brows)?

I even did a TLDR. You don’t want to read or you can’t?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

So basically if i could do 0 sodium not 1 mg more i wouldn't get oral min bloat effect?

He never said that, and that’s is retarded asf, with 0 logic behind it.

 

[albanianblackguy]

I even did a TLDR. You don’t want to read or you can’t?

well u said that about oral right?, doesnt seem to be the same for topical since it doesnt enter ur system as much

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Can i combine both oral castor at morning and Derma stamp followed with topical argan oil at night.What do u Think?
I think it’s S-tier combination.

Derma stamp is only to improve the absorption of topical application. When taking oral you don’t need to to that when it’s oral.

Drop the angan oil imo.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

well u said that about oral right?, doesnt seem to be the same for topical since it doesnt enter ur system as much

both go systematic, which i mentioned in the thread.

 

[ascending birdcel]

He never said that, and that’s is retarded asf, with 0 logic behind it.

"Minoxidil bloats you because the hyperpolarization induces an increase in sodium retention through increased aldosterone biosynthesis in order to reduce intracellular potassium."

If there's no sodium there's no retention?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

it gave very good results for my hair i'm scared af to drop it

You will shed most likely if you quit.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

"Minoxidil bloats you because the hyperpolarization induces an increase in sodium retention through increased aldosterone biosynthesis in order to reduce intracellular potassium."

If there's no sodium there's no retention?

You simply cannot live without sodium

 

[ascending birdcel]

You simply cannot live without sodium

But still it's not "retarded asf" and there's definitely logic behind it lol

 

[narex054]

Derma stamp is only to improve the absorption of topical application. When taking oral you don’t need to to that when it’s oral.

Drop the angan oil imo.

Yp derma stamp only for topical argan oil

 

[gangiewangie]

is it also possible minox doesnt cause bloat? or am i 1000% bloated? cuz ive been taking it for a while.

 

[albanianblackguy]

both go systematic, which i mentioned in the thread.

usch, now i am contemplating quitting but i got great eyebrow results from it

 

[greyycelll]

It will increase hair growth yes, which includes eye lashes. Drink 5-10mL a day. Maybe work up to that dosage since it is used as a laxative. I just full sent it straight to 5-10mL and was fine, no issue.

Are there different types? I have castor oil that i put on my lashes. Can i drink from the castor oil that i put on my lashes or ahould i buy an oral version?

 

[albanianblackguy]

is it also possible minox doesnt cause bloat? or am i 1000% bloated? cuz ive been taking it for a while.

wondering bout this as well, would be great if someone else had the same issue as this guy to tell his experience

 

[narex054]

Drop the angan oil imo

Why it’s 100% argan oil not combined wit other oil.
I’ve seen some progress from it.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Just use Eplerenone in conjunction. Minoxidil bloats you because the hyperpolarization induces an increase in sodium retention through increased aldosterone biosynthesis in order to reduce intracellular potassium.

50mg is more than enough, I say this because LDOM + spironolactone (another aldosterone antagonist that also blocks androgen receptors) is a safe treatment for female androgenic alopecia. Minox was dosed at 0.25mg and spiro was dosed at 25mg, a dosage that Eplerenone equals in terms of mineralocorticoid effects at 50mg without any risk of androgen blockade.

Running 20-80mg (above 80mg and you're fucking up your thyroid) Furosemide every saturday when going out for short-term debloating makes peripheral edema even less likely to happen.

I agree that using diuretics will remove the bloat caused by minoxidil. Me personally, i’d much rather not deal with all the different drugs to keep the bloat down when I can stop the minoxidil in general, and have no bloat, and switch to another alternative for hair growth. Oral castor did work almost as well as oral minoxidil without the negative bloating effect, which is hard to believe tbh, but it did due to the PGE2 increase from the castor oil. I did use a relatively high dose of 5-10mL.

 

[albanianblackguy]

how is the beard hair terminal and brow hair is not, it doesnt make sense to me

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Yp derma stamp only for topical argan oil

IMO argan oil will provide 0 benefits. It’s some TikTok cope.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

how is the beard hair terminal and brow hair is not, it doesnt make sense to me

No, none of the results on your eyelashes and eyebrows are gonna be permanent. Only beard. Reason for that is that since Minoxidil increases hair growth through increased blood flow, the hairs get an extra “boost” to grow. Beard hairs aren’t terminal hairs yet if you don’t have a beard, so minoxidil gives them that extra “boost” to become terminal hairs. Lashes and eyebrows are already terminal hair, so the increased blood flow is increasing the hair growth, but since the hair is already terminal, it can’t become terminal again, so once the Minoxidil usage is stopped, it will simply return to its pre minoxidil state.

 

[albanianblackguy]

but people that use it for the brows grow the new hair to make the brows denser ?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Do you think I can rub the eye drop on my left eyelashes to get growth?

Yes if you put the latisse on the other eye also along the lash line you will get growth. If your not using it along the lash line on the right eye, it maybe why you’re not satisfied with the growth there.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

but people that use it for the brows grow the new hair to make the brows denser ?

Just increased thickness of the hair that makes it appear more dense.

 

[Va-qoh]

Talking as someone who had previously used Oral Minoxidil for ~2 years.

It is the biggest bloatmax you can do, and results are not permanent

You may not notice the bloat, but you look at your face every single day. I only realised how much of a brutal looksmin it is after looking at older photos of me where I was higher body fat, yet somehow facially leaner.

I was doing my utmost to debloat, and coping with “carbs cause bloating”, “it’s the sodium bro”

Trying 110% to debloat, and not being as facially lean when lower body fat than when higher body fat, and not giving a single fuck about what I ate is absolutely brutal.

I quit minoxidil 2 to 3 months ago now, the bloating did go away. Took around 2 weeks to a month, I forgot. Legit ate 10k calories of goyslop and there was literally no bloat.

No, none of the results on your eyelashes and eyebrows are gonna be permanent. Only beard. Reason for that is that since Minoxidil increases hair growth through increased blood flow, the hairs get an extra “boost” to grow. Beard hairs aren’t terminal hairs yet if you don’t have a beard, so minoxidil gives them that extra “boost” to become terminal hairs. Lashes and eyebrows are already terminal hair, so the increased blood flow is increasing the hair growth, but since the hair is already terminal, it can’t become terminal again, so once the Minoxidil usage is stopped, it will simply return to its pre minoxidil state.

Hopefully that makes sense.

And I also honestly don’t recommend topical minoxidil either. It still transatlantic to an extent.

TL;DR - Minoxidil causes bloating, through fucking up sodium and potassium channels. None of its hair growth is permanent, so I can’t see why anyone would use it.

But combined it with fin is essential

 

[chadisbeingmade]

But combined it with fin is essential

Fin/Duta for hair loss. Should be used before any loss. Prevention is key.

HT in future if needed.

I can’t see a reason to use minox tbh.

 

[Va-qoh]

Fin/Duta for hair loss. Should be used before any loss. Prevention is key.

HT in future if needed.

I can’t see a reason to use minox tbh.

It’s still grows hair.

 

[Va-qoh]

Fin/Duta for hair loss. Should be used before any loss. Prevention is key.

HT in future if needed.

I can’t see a reason to use minox tbh.

So I’d I’m on fin and min how likely is it that I need a HT.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

So I’d I’m on fin and min how likely is it that I need a HT.

Have you actually lost ground on your hair? If not there’s no reason at all to be on minox. If you lost ground fin will maintain your current position and can get ht in future

 

[darkpiller40]

I had rlly thin eyebrows and minoxidil turned my brows and overall eye area into mogger tier almost.
Topical minox tho since I always thought oral could cause some bloating and issues.

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

I had rlly thin eyebrows and minoxidil turned my brows and overall eye area into mogger tier almost.
Topical minox tho since I always thought oral could cause some bloating and issues.

did topical bloat you? also i've been using oral minox for lashes but can switch to topical if needed

 

[Wexilarious]

Just use minoxidil that you apply to your skin, not oral, and nothing would have happened

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Just use minoxidil that you apply to your skin, not oral, and nothing would have happened

All minoxidil goes systematic

 

[Wexilarious]

All minoxidil goes systematic

I haven't used it for about a year now since I got mogger eyebrows and beard (using it for my beard was a mistake because I'm prettyboymaxxed now)

 

[narcomogs]

All minoxidil goes systematic

you are @appeal ??

 

[chadisbeingmade]

you are @appeal ??

 

[Va-qoh]

Have you actually lost ground on your hair? If not there’s no reason at all to be on minox. If you lost ground fin will maintain your current position and can get ht in future

I have.