Never use Minoxidil

[rory4579]

is also another option. I had also tried that, for a week only.

It works inane for growth of lashes, I saw very noticeable growth with in that week of using it.

I don’t know how much I believe the “latisse causes fat pa

Talking as someone who had previously used Oral Minoxidil for ~2 years.

It is the biggest bloatmax you can do, and results are not permanent

You may not notice the bloat, but you look at your face every single day. I only realised how much of a brutal looksmin it is after looking at older photos of me where I was higher body fat, yet somehow facially leaner.

I was doing my utmost to debloat, and coping with “carbs cause bloating”, “it’s the sodium bro”

Trying 110% to debloat, and not being as facially lean when lower body fat than when higher body fat, and not giving a single fuck about what I ate is absolutely brutal.

I quit minoxidil 2 to 3 months ago now, the bloating did go away. Took around 2 weeks to a month, I forgot. Legit ate 10k calories of goyslop and there was literally no bloat.

No, none of the results on your eyelashes and eyebrows are gonna be permanent. Only beard. Reason for that is that since Minoxidil increases hair growth through increased blood flow, the hairs get an extra “boost” to grow. Beard hairs aren’t terminal hairs yet if you don’t have a beard, so minoxidil gives them that extra “boost” to become terminal hairs. Lashes and eyebrows are already terminal hair, so the increased blood flow is increasing the hair growth, but since the hair is already terminal, it can’t become terminal again, so once the Minoxidil usage is stopped, it will simply return to its pre minoxidil state.

Hopefully that makes sense.

And I also honestly don’t recommend topical minoxidil either. It still transatlantic to an extent.

TL;DR - Minoxidil causes bloating, through fucking up sodium and potassium channels. None of its hair growth is permanent, so I can’t see why anyone would use it.

Woah

I'm starting litfulo and 1.25mg oral minox soon to save myself from being Judge holden alopeciacel

I don't care about slight bloating or whatever if it makes me look human

 

[busybythehour]

Yeah man you're right
I've been using minoxidil for a while and the bloat is crazy tbh...
I switched from topical to oral cause I was tired of the itchy scalp and the flakiness every single time.
Oral gives me crazy heart palpitations every dose I take. It feels like I'm having a mini heart attack.
The eyebrows are NOT permanent, you do have to keep using them. I looked in the mirror about two days ago and noticed some shed on my eyebrows, even though I switched to oral. Not sure about lashes though.

I also would not suggest topical finasteride. I used it for two months and then my dick died. Came back after two days, and fully after a week but it lowkey doesn't feel the same as before. I wonder if I should get my T levels checked? Anyway yeah, ORAL fin or nothing tbh...I fell for the cope. BOTH go systemic.

Have not used DUT...I want to keep my dick.

Honestly...these drugs can't do MUCH, at least for me IDK about others. This is why men can't definitively say they've found a situation for hairloss. The side affects are pretty odd tbh.
If you can, just get a hair system or a HT. HT is honestly, the best surgery you can get, and the best looksmax you can do. Even "turbo-doomers" like Rehab Room and "nature only" people like Goatis both promote HT's (despite them being diametrically opposed when it comes to the BP).

If you're white or asian get a hair system, they're pretty good tbh. If you're black...idk. I haven't found a black hair system so I have no idea what to do on that.

 

[busybythehour]

Also Under-eye area lowkey got raped on minoxidil. My bones shifted downward so I already don't have a lot of support there. Probably wasn't smart using minoxidil but I had to try.

Both Fin and Min have fucked me, over. The side affects on each are just too much to bear.
I do wonder about using oral fin sometimes, but that might just be me coping hard.
It might be worse than topical fin, but I'm not sure.

 

[busybythehour]

Very very based response.

Have you stopped the usage of minoxidil in general now?

Yeah my brows have returned to their pre minoxidil state, and eyelashes also I think, though I feel they are still slightly longer, but I could be delusional since it was over 2 years ago I started so no way of really knowing. I have been off ~3 months now.

100% agree on the oral Fin. I suggested to a user in this thread to just go straight for oral instead of topical. I’m not sure where it came from where if you apply topical it’s not gonna go systematic.

However if you suffer from hair loss, duta may be in the cards down the line. I’ve heard many anecdotes where people start losing ground again after like 10 years in Finasteride, and then have to go on Duta if they want to maintain that.

IMO the best method is Hair System. It gives you your hair and you never have to worry about taking drugs or potential side effects.

I plan to stop using Minoxidl starting today tbh...these side affects are just not worth it. A heart attack and itchy scalp w/ dandruff every time...JFL
I didn't experience any cardiovascular issues though, but I live a pretty sedentary lifestyle anyways so I can't gauge with complete accuracy.

My brows have return to pre-min state, but not lashes. Lashes may have gone down slightly, but not like the brows. I guess it makes sense, because when I first started min, my lashes responded faster than my brows.

Also I noticed on oral minox my mouth would go dry, and I would always need to constantly "taste" something to feel normal. I'm already pretty out of shape, so this need does not help. Probably something to do with the blood flow.

If I were to try any of the drugs again, it would most likely be straight to Duta, since I experienced the sides from topical fin, I would most likely experience sides from Oral as well. Might as well, since it's stronger and would improve my skin (and if I would experience sides anyway...might as well go right to the most effective).

I'm not sure about a hairsystem, because I don't know any hair system for people with afro-hair textures. But If I can find a good one, I'll probably get that and leave it at that for the time being, until I decide if I want to use DUT or not.

Also, I've heard of some people using FIN, experiencing sides, then the sides go away. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but I'm also not sure if I want to risk that. Have you heard of that?

 

[busybythehour]

What do you mean your bones shifted downward?

I highly, highly doubt your bones moved, what’s likely happened is under eye fat pad has slid down due to gravity. Possibly causing you nasolabial fold?

Maybe minoxidil does effect collagen and maybe thinned your under eye skin slightly, though there nothing really confirming aging from minox apart from anecdotes

No I mean my under-eye area was already bad, that's what I meant. So the minox could make it worse, or I could be coping IDK for sure.

 

[busybythehour]

Maybe look into SMP. Are you black? It’s basically like a permanent buzz but. You just shave your head. You could realistically have both a hair system and SMP if you wanted, like try SMP and if you don’t like it maybe try find a hair system. I honestly prefer both these routes compared to drugs. It’s a better long term solution IMO and there’s no worry.

Yeah I'm black, never heard of SMP I'll look into it. For now I've just been buzzing my hair. It's not THAT bad I guess, since black guys can get away with a buzzed head.

Some people experience sides with Fin and don’t with Duta, or the other way around, from what I have heard.

Maybe I'll look into Duta more then.

 

[repszon]

Jus do topical

 

[Deleted member 110192]

Talking as someone who had previously used Oral Minoxidil for ~2 years.

It is the biggest bloatmax you can do, and results are not permanent

You may not notice the bloat, but you look at your face every single day. I only realised how much of a brutal looksmin it is after looking at older photos of me where I was higher body fat, yet somehow facially leaner.

I was doing my utmost to debloat, and coping with “carbs cause bloating”, “it’s the sodium bro”

Trying 110% to debloat, and not being as facially lean when lower body fat than when higher body fat, and not giving a single fuck about what I ate is absolutely brutal.

I quit minoxidil 2 to 3 months ago now, the bloating did go away. Took around 2 weeks to a month, I forgot. Legit ate 10k calories of goyslop and there was literally no bloat.

No, none of the results on your eyelashes and eyebrows are gonna be permanent. Only beard. Reason for that is that since Minoxidil increases hair growth through increased blood flow, the hairs get an extra “boost” to grow. Beard hairs aren’t terminal hairs yet if you don’t have a beard, so minoxidil gives them that extra “boost” to become terminal hairs. Lashes and eyebrows are already terminal hair, so the increased blood flow is increasing the hair growth, but since the hair is already terminal, it can’t become terminal again, so once the Minoxidil usage is stopped, it will simply return to its pre minoxidil state.

Hopefully that makes sense.

And I also honestly don’t recommend topical minoxidil either. It still transatlantic to an extent.

TL;DR - Minoxidil causes bloating, through fucking up sodium and potassium channels. None of its hair growth is permanent, so I can’t see why anyone would use it.

just use lattise boyos

 

[averagenormie]

Collagenmax guide

 

[averagenormie]

Collagen max guide - don’t use minoxidil

I've noticed I lost collagen but its worth it imo to have hair and do Tretinoin at night combined with low dose accutane

 

[averagenormie]

collagen loss reversed for me anyway.

What did you do for it? Also did you recover the under eye area?

 

[averagenormie]

i used oral minox. it resolved after i stoped

Oral minox as tablet or as 0.1ml topical mixed with water?

 

[averagenormie]

topical

I'm doing the same and I've noticed the sides but coping with lasix 20mg to debloat and tret with low dose accutane for the collagen, under eye area I have no solution still, eyelashes grow longer but not denser or thicker, the eyebrows got little bit denser as well as hair grow super fast

 

[Deleted member 81875]

Talking as someone who had previously used Oral Minoxidil for ~2 years.

It is the biggest bloatmax you can do, and results are not permanent

You may not notice the bloat, but you look at your face every single day. I only realised how much of a brutal looksmin it is after looking at older photos of me where I was higher body fat, yet somehow facially leaner.

I was doing my utmost to debloat, and coping with “carbs cause bloating”, “it’s the sodium bro”

Trying 110% to debloat, and not being as facially lean when lower body fat than when higher body fat, and not giving a single fuck about what I ate is absolutely brutal.

I quit minoxidil 2 to 3 months ago now, the bloating did go away. Took around 2 weeks to a month, I forgot. Legit ate 10k calories of goyslop and there was literally no bloat.

No, none of the results on your eyelashes and eyebrows are gonna be permanent. Only beard. Reason for that is that since Minoxidil increases hair growth through increased blood flow, the hairs get an extra “boost” to grow. Beard hairs aren’t terminal hairs yet if you don’t have a beard, so minoxidil gives them that extra “boost” to become terminal hairs. Lashes and eyebrows are already terminal hair, so the increased blood flow is increasing the hair growth, but since the hair is already terminal, it can’t become terminal again, so once the Minoxidil usage is stopped, it will simply return to its pre minoxidil state.

Hopefully that makes sense.

And I also honestly don’t recommend topical minoxidil either. It still transatlantic to an extent.

TL;DR - Minoxidil causes bloating, through fucking up sodium and potassium channels. None of its hair growth is permanent, so I can’t see why anyone would use it.

@JOJOcelReturns

 

[Deleted member 81875]

RU58841 mogs

 

[ih8myself]

It will increase hair growth yes, which includes eye lashes. Drink 5-10mL a day. Maybe work up to that dosage since it is used as a laxative. I just full sent it straight to 5-10mL and was fine, no issue.

sorry for the late reply, do you remember or know the exact oral castor oil you used?

 

[VolcelFTW]

yeah ngl I would've called you retarded a year ago but yeah I stopped and I have less brain fog

 

[VolcelFTW]

I’m the same, I didn’t think i had adverse sides till i stopped.
Oral or topical?
Did you bloat?

Oral lmao 7.5 for a couple months. And yeah I bloated.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Oral lmao 7.5 for a couple months. And yeah I bloated.

Pretty high dose as well. Maybe you could try low dose and titrate up based on sides but idk if it’s worth it. I wouldn’t try tbh.

Did your bloating resolve after you stopped?

 

[VolcelFTW]

Pretty high dose as well. Maybe you could try low dose and titrate up based on sides but idk if it’s worth it. I wouldn’t try tbh.

Did your bloating resolve after you stopped?

yup i look *slightly* better now. Yeah I was thinking that too but its really not worth it. I really felt like shit and didn't know why. Fatigue, brain fog, couldn't remember shit. Not gonna risk that again I was legit suicidal. Plus it was only for eyebrow growth, so now I switched over to latisse and SCM which mogs

 

[chadisbeingmade]

yup i look *slightly* better now. Yeah I was thinking that too but it’s really not worth it. I really felt like shit and didn't know why. Fatigue, brain fog, couldn't remember shit. Not gonna risk that again I was legit suicidal. Plus it was only for eyebrow growth, so now I switched over to latisse and SCM which mogs

Yeah I don’t think it’s worth it either. The bloat I got from it just wasn’t worth it, I had to cope with 0 carbs where as before i could eat what I want and not bloat. Shit is legit poison.

 

[Deleted member 81875]

I just saw this. Makes no sense, they do 2 completely different things JFL.

RU regrows but ok dude

 

[Deleted member 81875]

Not because it has a mechanism to grow hair JFL, only because it blocks dht and test from binding to the receptors.. Half the people that use it use it for brows, want them to apply RU to their eyebrow JFL? tf

Ok

 

[ih8myself]

yup i look *slightly* better now. Yeah I was thinking that too but its really not worth it. I really felt like shit and didn't know why. Fatigue, brain fog, couldn't remember shit. Not gonna risk that again I was legit suicidal. Plus it was only for eyebrow growth, so now I switched over to latisse and SCM which mogs

Have you noticed any fat loss under the eyes with latisse? Also what is scm?

 

[ih8myself]

Oral Castor oil is the best best option. Very effective. 5-10mL not bs 1mL a day. No bloat.

Bro what castor oil did you use? Does any work or a one specifically for oral(I obviously know it should be 100% organic chemical free and coldpressed) but is there anything else I need to know

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Bro what castor oil did you use? Does any work or a one specifically for oral(I obviously know it should be 100% organic chemical free and coldpressed) but is there anything else I need to know

I just pulled up to the pharmacy and got pharma grade castor oil

 

[Tyler1]

Im not bloated at 3 months 1 Week

 

[Tyler1]

stop it for 2 weeks and see the difference. I thought the same as you until I actually stopped.

Will I lose the gains after 2 weeks?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Will I lose the gains after 2 weeks?

minox gains are never permanent. if you start you are on for life if you want to keep your gains.

 

[Tyler1]

minox gains are never permanent. if you start you are on for life if you want to keep your gains.

But it mogs thicker darker hair suits me

 

[VolcelFTW]

Have you noticed any fat loss under the eyes with latisse? Also what is scm?

no i just use it on my eyebrows and let it dry first. SCM stands for Stem Cell Complete Media

 

[ih8myself]

no i just use it on my eyebrows and let it dry first. SCM stands for Stem Cell Complete Media

Alr

 

[ih8myself]

I just pulled up to the pharmacy and got pharma grade castor oil

Trusting pharmas

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Minoxidil bloats you because the hyperpolarization induces an increase in sodium retention through increased aldosterone biosynthesis in order to reduce intracellular potassium.

This resolves after discontinuing oral minox right?

 

[Bitterschön]

will have to try microblading brows then, its kinda gay tho ngl
do u know anything about it?

 

[´´´´´´´´]

This resolves after discontinuing oral minox right?

completely resolves. minoxidil's only permanent effect is terminal differentiation of vellus hairs, which is the main reason (apart from peripheral bloat) you shouldn't use it orally for extended periods of time. collagen effect is unconfirmed, but probably reversible if it even happens.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

will have to try microblading brows then, its kinda gay tho ngl
do u know anything about it?

All I know is that microneedling is only needed for increasing absorption to topically applied products. As far as I know microneedling doesn’t really do anything on its own, but i could be wrong. Obviously when taking oral there is no need to microneedle. You can use oral minox without the bloat, as mentioned here: He is more knowledgeable on the subject than me. I simply just stated the sides I experienced on it. I also got results from oral castor oil, since i think it increases PGE 2 I think which is responsible for hair growth.

Just use Eplerenone in conjunction. Minoxidil bloats you because the hyperpolarization induces an increase in sodium retention through increased aldosterone biosynthesis in order to reduce intracellular potassium.

50mg is more than enough, I say this because LDOM + spironolactone (another aldosterone antagonist that also blocks androgen receptors) is a safe treatment for female androgenic alopecia. Minox was dosed at 0.25mg and spiro was dosed at 25mg, a dosage that Eplerenone equals in terms of mineralocorticoid effects at 50mg without any risk of androgen blockade.

Running 20-80mg (above 80mg and you're fucking up your thyroid) Furosemide every saturday when going out for short-term debloating makes peripheral edema even less likely to happen.

completely resolves. minoxidil's only permanent effect is terminal differentiation of vellus hairs, which is the main reason (apart from peripheral bloat) you shouldn't use it orally for extended periods of time. collagen effect is unconfirmed, but probably reversible if it even happens.

As in the the turning of vellus hairs terminal? Isn’t that the desired effect and the whole reason why most people use minox? For example people who use it for beard? They’re goal is to turn their vellus beard hairs terminal etc.

So anything bloat related gets resolved after discontinuation of oral usage?

 

[´´´´´´´´]

All I know is that microneedling is only needed for increasing absorption to topically applied products. As far as I know microneedling doesn’t really do anything on its own, but i could be wrong. Obviously when taking oral there is no need to microneedle.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK microneedling increases absorption of topically applied products by making them go systemic.

You can use oral minox without the bloat, as mentioned here: He is more knowledgeable on the subject than me. I simply just stated the sides I experienced on it.

I was talking out my ass lmfao.

Tried putting the theory into practice throughout this month and the last by running 50mg eplerenone for 28 days so it reached it's full effect (according to some mainstream and sketchy websites), and adding in a daily drop of topical minox (roughly 2.5mg) after said 28 days elapsed. I still got bloated like a motherfucker after a week or so.

3 days off both Minox AND Eplerenone and my ogee curve improved. Eplerenone's half-life is simply too short + debloating effects are minimal. MR antagonism also decreases collagen synthesis.

As in the the turning of vellus hairs terminal? Isn’t that the desired effect and the whole reason why most people use minox? For example people who use it for beard? They’re goal is to turn their vellus beard hairs terminal etc.

You're right, but that can also be attained with topical usage without risking hair growth literally everywhere (under the earlobe, upper back, inner forearms, biceps, traps, shoulders, weird parts of the torso, temple points connecting to outer eyebrows, etc etc etc). All that happened to me after using 5mg from january to may 2024 and I still got remnants of those hairs. You can always shave but it's still a hassle.

The only valid use for oral minoxidil is hair regrowth. In that case, I believe the benefits (reversing your hairline on the NW scale) far outweigh the downsides (water retention, theoretical collagen depletion, hypertrichosis).

So anything bloat related gets resolved after discontinuation of oral usage?

100%

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK microneedling increases absorption of topically applied products by making them go systemic.

I was talking out my ass lmfao.

Tried putting the theory into practice throughout this month and the last by running 50mg eplerenone for 28 days so it reached it's full effect (according to some mainstream and sketchy websites), and adding in a daily drop of topical minox (roughly 2.5mg) after said 28 days elapsed. I still got bloated like a motherfucker after a week or so.

3 days off both Minox AND Eplerenone and my ogee curve improved. Eplerenone's half-life is simply too short + debloating effects are minimal. MR antagonism also decreases collagen synthesis.

You're right, but that can also be attained with topical usage without risking hair growth literally everywhere (under the earlobe, upper back, inner forearms, biceps, traps, shoulders, weird parts of the torso, temple points connecting to outer eyebrows, etc etc etc). All that happened to me after using 5mg from january to may 2024 and I still got remnants of those hairs. You can always shave but it's still a hassle.

The only valid use for oral minoxidil is hair regrowth. In that case, I believe the benefits (reversing your hairline on the NW scale) far outweigh the downsides (water retention, theoretical collagen depletion, hypertrichosis).

100%

Yeah I think you’re right on the first bit. I appreciate your self conducted experiment, very useful. It was oral you used right? and not the tabs but topical minox taken orally?

I do agree that the only viable use for oral minox is maintaining hairline, it worth it. If the goal is eyebrows or lashes etc, then topical will most likely suffice without such effects or at least to a lesser degree and as you said results can be kept after some time.

 

[TimesZ]

It will increase hair growth yes, which includes eye lashes. Drink 5-10mL a day. Maybe work up to that dosage since it is used as a laxative. I just full sent it straight to 5-10mL and was fine, no issue.

do you just drink the fucking castor oil thats used topically or is there a drinkable version?

 

[Deleted member 133614]

Brows - Oral castor at 5-10mL does work
Hair - Wageslave and get hair transplant in future or get a hair system

Where do you buy oral castor? All the ones I can find says it is for external use only

 

[halloweed]

i was balding when i was 17 it wasn't genetic and i got all my hair back with minoxidil

Are you still on it?

 

[halloweed]

Doesn’t telogen effluvium fix on its own?

Usually, but you can’t assume that was the cause of his case

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Usually, but you can’t assume that was the cause of his case

AGA or TE are the real main causes I think. Since he said it’s not genetic (idk how he came to that conclusion since balding genes are random asf) I assumed it’s TE. He could be wrong tho and it is genetic.

 

[slaters]

Talking as someone who had previously used Oral Minoxidil for ~2 years.

It is the biggest bloatmax you can do, and results are not permanent

You may not notice the bloat, but you look at your face every single day. I only realised how much of a brutal looksmin it is after looking at older photos of me where I was higher body fat, yet somehow facially leaner.

I was doing my utmost to debloat, and coping with “carbs cause bloating”, “it’s the sodium bro”

Trying 110% to debloat, and not being as facially lean when lower body fat than when higher body fat, and not giving a single fuck about what I ate is absolutely brutal.

I quit minoxidil 2 to 3 months ago now, the bloating did go away. Took around 2 weeks to a month, I forgot. Legit ate 10k calories of goyslop and there was literally no bloat.

No, none of the results on your eyelashes and eyebrows are gonna be permanent. Only beard. Reason for that is that since Minoxidil increases hair growth through increased blood flow, the hairs get an extra “boost” to grow. Beard hairs aren’t terminal hairs yet if you don’t have a beard, so minoxidil gives them that extra “boost” to become terminal hairs. Lashes and eyebrows are already terminal hair, so the increased blood flow is increasing the hair growth, but since the hair is already terminal, it can’t become terminal again, so once the Minoxidil usage is stopped, it will simply return to its pre minoxidil state.

Hopefully that makes sense.

And I also honestly don’t recommend topical minoxidil either. It still transatlantic to an extent.

TL;DR - Minoxidil causes bloating, through fucking up sodium and potassium channels. None of its hair growth is permanent, so I can’t see why anyone would use it.

I think I remember giving u a ghk cu hair serum recipe
U ever end up using it ?

 

[SoNotFunny]

@DR. NICKGA thoughts on this? fear mongering much?

 

[slaters]

Yes, you did. I am on just Dutasteride 2.5mg a day right now, may add the ghkcu soon if there are some good studies and anecdotes about its usage for hair. I will look into it now. Why do you ask?

It does work for lashes btw it grew my invisible lateral lashes

 

[chadisbeingmade]

It does work for lashes btw it grew my invisible lateral lashes

glad to hear brah. my lashes have improved from baseline due to minox. a good amount of them remained after discontinuing it, it’s been 4 months since i quit minox

 

[Deleted member 81171]

What do u think about topical minox? I really need denser brows so ive been using derma roll + topical, and havent seen bloat so far

glad to hear brah. my lashes have improved from baseline due to minox. a good amount of them remained after discontinuing it, it’s been 4 months since i quit minox

 

[chadisbeingmade]

What do u think about topical minox? I really need denser brows so ive been using derma roll + topical, and havent seen bloat so far

It’s valid.

Some get dark eye cirles from it but that’s just likely due to bad application. I would only use until it becomes terminal, and then quit usage.

Just don’t use oral, no reason to unless you have astronomical amount of ground to regrow on your scalp, and even then, duta 2.5mg is shown to cause more regrowth than 5mg oral minox.