New implant result. guy with cheek and jaw implant from Dr.E

[Deleted member 4797]

I'm six weeks out so probably still some SLIGHT swelling, but the undereye puffiness is what lingered and that pretty much resolved after 3 or 4 weeks. What I'm seeing now is probably 90% of the final. My chin and jaw are still swollen from Eppley trying to get the Yaremchuk implant out; he opened the chin incision and the right intraoral incision--that's why they look off in the pic I posted.

If the jaw implant cant be reduced, a good way to mitigate the appearance of an overly wide jaw would be to add more width to your neck. Maybe you already work it out because you look quite jacked, but if you dont, you can do neck specific exercises which will over time increase the width. Of course you have to be careful with injury, but it can help moderately.

Morph with slightly wider neck only

 

[Win200]

If the jaw implant cant be reduced, a good way to mitigate the appearance of an overly wide jaw would be to add more width to your neck. Maybe you already work it out because you look quite jacked, but if you dont, you can do neck specific exercises which will over time increase the width. Of course you have to be careful with injury, but it can help moderately.

Morph with slightly wider neck only

Yeah, I've been meaning to throw some neck exercises into the mix. My neck is a little on the narrow side and thick necks definitely add something subtle. I herniated a disc in my C4/5 last year so had to hold off on neck exercises for awhile while it healed.

 

[Win200]

Can you sponsor my surgery? I’m a broke college student

Honestly wanting surgery was my #1 motivation in school. I paid for my rhino with the money from my summer internship at my law firm and got surgery literally the Monday after I finished it.

 

[Win200]

Holy shit I forgot that my bio photo on my law firm profile is an outdated abortion: https://www.perkinscoie.com/en/professionals/winfield-b-martin.html.

 

[Deleted member 1100]

Honestly wanting surgery was my #1 motivation in school. I paid for my rhino with the money from my summer internship at my law firm and got surgery literally the Monday after I finished it.

Fix the UEE, at least to that point. If possible even more.

 

[Win200]

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Fix the UEE, at least to that point. If possible even more.

Holy shit that would be major. Yeah, I'm trying to consult with Taban soon. I just don't know what the surgical options are for UEE or if a case as severe as mine can be fixed to that extent.

 

[JizzFarmer]

Aren't homosexuals banned from this forum?

 

[baruch]

Hi! I'm the person who's the subject of this thread. To clear things up, I had a jaw implant with Dr. Yaremchuk in 2016. I didn't have any malar/orbital implants until Dr. E put in custom malar implants on 11/5/2020. Virtually all of the pictures you're discussing are with (i) the Yaremchuk jaw implant and (ii) cheek filler--no implants. Eppley was going to remove the Yaremchuk jaw implant and replace it with one with a somewhat smaller chin, but Yaremchuk stripped the screws (and used 8mm screws for some reason) and Eppley couldn't get it out safely. So, following 11/5/2020, I have the Yaremchuk jaw implant in plus the Eppley malar implants. The Eppley implants have strong zygomatics, which is my preference but isn't to everyone's taste. He might manually shave the chin area of the Yaremchuk implant down a bit in the future to minimize the Superman chin look, which I don't like.

As far as the other stuff goes, like some have pointed out, I'm gay and our aesthetics are a little different, so I like the lip filler and brows. I'm aware of the UEE issue, which is severe, and have no idea how to fix it. Eppley said he could do supraorbital rim implants followed by fat transfer, but that he strongly recommended against it.

I've never had anything surgical done to the lips--they upturn at the corners like that on their own and always have. My surgical count is three rhinoplasties, three hair transplants, the Yaremchuk jaw implant and the Eppley malar implants.

Thanks for chiming in! Your lower third looks great.

May you explain why eppley strongly recommends against the supraorbital rim implants and fat transfer? It is it because it's dangerous or because he thinks it's not a good look.

 

[Win200]

Supraorbital implants (results are scarce) - Yaremchuk is probably the most qualified to do it

Fat grafts

Filler

I only need $200 for my buccal fat removal. Trying to help a fellow looksmaxxer out?

TBH that's a better sponsorship program than anything else

 

[Win200]

Thanks for chiming in! Your lower third looks great.

May you explain why eppley strongly recommends against the supraorbital rim implants and fat transfer? It is it because it's dangerous or because he thinks it's not a good look.

I didn't ask, to be honest. Maybe that he didn't think it would give the result I wanted? He also said it had to be two-phased; implant first then fat grafting. I decided to wait on it bc it would've been ANOTHER $10-12k on an already pricey surgery. I want to talk to an ocularplastic specialist about eyes before I do anything. Tough area and I'm terrified of fucking it up.

 

[Mastermind]

Aren't homosexuals banned from this forum?

He is a better looksmaxer than 99% of this forum stfu

 

[ascentium]

very shitty cheekbones implant result they gave him big feminine cheekbones not striking at all
shoulda gotten mse

that’s filler not implant. he’s just recently had the zygos put in.

 

[Win200]

Not sure what you mean

Do you by chance know how much Eppley charges for just the jaw angle implants?

Sorry, doing five things at once and that didn't make sense... I meant donating for someone's surgery is a better use of money than giving it to something else.

No, I'm not sure--I never got a quote from him for a jaw implant alone; just different combos of jaw, cheek/orbital rims, and temporal hollows. My sense is that it runs $15-18k, though.

 

[Win200]

He is a better looksmaxer than 99% of this forum stfu

Yeah considering THIS is where we started from...

 

[ascentium]

Sorry, doing five things at once and that didn't make sense... I meant donating for someone's surgery is a better use of money than giving it to something else.

No, I'm not sure--I never got a quote from him for a jaw implant alone; just different combos of jaw, cheek/orbital rims, and temporal hollows. My sense is that it runs $15-18k, though.

thanks for the information. I’ve been stalking your IG for a few weeks, as I’m contemplating zygos implants too. It’s good to know that recovery time is 90% in six weeks. You actually don’t look that swollen, and what I see so far looks promising.

I know you mentioned that the procedures were quoted as a package, but would you guesstimate the zygos to fall in the 14-18k range?

also, contemplating hair transplant for my nw2. Did you have 3 because you kept thinning?Are you on fin? And how much was the FUE per graft in Oregon?

I have around 20k in a slush fund and those are the only items on my wish list.

edit: have you tried Botox to drop your brow? I was able to amend my upper eye lid exposure with just Botox. Your eye brows are pretty high set so you may be able to benefit as well.

 

[Win200]

thanks for the information. I’ve been stalking your IG for a few weeks, as I’m contemplating zygos implants too. It’s good to know that recovery time is 90% in six weeks. You actually don’t look that swollen, and what I see so far looks promising.

I know you mentioned that the procedures were quoted as a package, but would you guesstimate the zygos to fall in the 14-18k range?

also, contemplating hair transplant for my nw2. Did you have 3 because you kept thinning?Are you on fin? And how much was the FUE per graft in Oregon?

I have around 20k in a slush fund and those are the only items on my wish list.

No, barely swollen at all anymore, if any. I'm guessing zygo/rim combo is around $15 by itself.

On the hair, I didn't keep thinning; it just takes multiple procedures to get a low, dense hairline. You can't transplant super dense in one pass because it compromises blood supply and the grafts have a harder time surviving. I attached some preop hair pics (before the first surgery) so you can see where I started from. My hairline now is NW1 and indistinguishable from native density.

 

[Win200]

thanks for the information. I’ve been stalking your IG for a few weeks, as I’m contemplating zygos implants too. It’s good to know that recovery time is 90% in six weeks. You actually don’t look that swollen, and what I see so far looks promising.

I know you mentioned that the procedures were quoted as a package, but would you guesstimate the zygos to fall in the 14-18k range?

also, contemplating hair transplant for my nw2. Did you have 3 because you kept thinning?Are you on fin? And how much was the FUE per graft in Oregon?

I have around 20k in a slush fund and those are the only items on my wish list.

edit: have you tried Botox to drop your brow? I was able to amend my upper eye lid exposure with just Botox. Your eye brows are pretty high set so you may be able to benefit as well.

And sorry--not on fin, but I'm on dut. I don't think I've tried Botox to drop the brow. My eye area is a mess, TBH. Deepset eyes with high brow bone, so a ton of UEE exposure that's made worse by the fact that I'm like 6-8% BF, so not fat in the area at all to soften the aesthetic.

I got FUT, not FUE. I don't give a shit about the scar and FUE has issues that I wanted to avoid. My per-graft cost was like $4/5.

 

[ascentium]

And sorry--not on fin, but I'm on dut. I don't think I've tried Botox to drop the brow. My eye area is a mess, TBH. Deepset eyes with high brow bone, so a ton of UEE exposure that's made worse by the fact that I'm like 6-8% BF, so not fat in the area at all to soften the aesthetic.

I got FUT, not FUE. I don't give a shit about the scar and FUE has issues that I wanted to avoid. My per-graft cost was like $4/5.

yeah, I think too many men rush into FUE, without considering FUT. there are definitely trade-offs. The scar is not a big deal for my either, & it can always be obscured with FUE transplants.

3 FUTs & you must be somewhere near 6-8k grafts. Definitely one of the best transplants I’ve seen. Was Gabel able to limit the hair line to just single follicle grafts? Or are there a few nagging doubles and triples?

edit: he did an excellent job restoring your temporal points & making them look natural.

 

[Win200]

yeah, I think too many men rush into FUE, without considering FUT. there are definitely trade-offs. The scar is not a big deal for my either, & it can always be obscured with FUE transplants.

3 FUTs & you must be somewhere near 6-8k grafts. Definitely one of the best transplants I’ve seen. Was Gabel able to limit the hair line to just single follicle grafts? Or are there a few nagging doubles and triples?

Not even that many--first procedure was 1,200, second was 2,000, third was 1,100. So about 4,300 total and some left in the bank if I ever need it. The first hairline gave me a widow's peak (pic attached), but I wanted a flat hairline. Second gave me the flat hairline, and the third added density to the work done in the second. Only single hairs in the hairline--Gabel is super meticulous and laser-focused on shit like that. The guy is just fanatical about his work. Very nice guy, too.

Yeah, I don't like FUE. Creates a big scar tissue field on the back of the head that can cause problems, and you CAN see the scars. A friend got it and the back of his head looks a little moth-eaten. I'm planning on having Gabel do some FUE into my scar. I wear a skin fade so the scar is totally visible, and no one even mentions it or cares. No regrets at all. I love my transplant.

 

[ascentium]

Not even that many--first procedure was 1,200, second was 2,000, third was 1,100. So about 4,300 total and some left in the bank if I ever need it. The first hairline gave me a widow's peak (pic attached), but I wanted a flat hairline. Second gave me the flat hairline, and the third added density to the work done in the second. Only single hairs in the hairline--Gabel is super meticulous and laser-focused on shit like that. The guy is just fanatical about his work. Very nice guy, too.

Yeah, I don't like FUE. Creates a big scar tissue field on the back of the head that can cause problems, and you CAN see the scars. A friend got it and the back of his head looks a little moth-eaten. I'm planning on having Gabel do some FUE into my scar. I wear a skin fade so the scar is totally visible, and no one even mentions it or cares. No regrets at all. I love my transplant.

thank you for answering my questions.You have exquisite physique. From the limited data I have on you, it wouldn’t be far fetched to infer that you are highly conscientious, and thats it’s within the realm of possibility that you’ve attained your physique naturally. However, it’s much more probable that you are ‘enhanced,’ which is fine. If so, what does your HRT protocol look like? Any use of peptides?

 

[Win200]

thank you for answering my questions.You have exquisite physique. From the limited data I have on you, it wouldn’t be far fetched to infer that you are highly conscientious, and thats it’s within the realm of possibility that you’ve attained your physique naturally. However, it’s much more probable that you are ‘enhanced,’ which is fine. If so, what does your HRT protocol look like? Any use of peptides?

I've done a cycle of testosterone before, but it was several years ago (2016, I think...?). I just did 250mg/week for twelve weeks--standard beginner cycle. Beyond that, just good habits--work out daily, don't drink, stick to my macros like glue, etc. I just bust my ass to keep my body looking the way it does, which is tough at 38. And thanks for the kind words.

 

[baruch]

I've done a cycle of testosterone before, but it was several years ago (2016, I think...?). I just did 250mg/week for twelve weeks--standard beginner cycle. Beyond that, just good habits--work out daily, don't drink, stick to my macros like glue, etc. I just bust my ass to keep my body looking the way it does, which is tough at 38. And thanks for the kind words.

Amazing result considering you’re mostly natty. I assumed you’re on gear! What’s your workout routine?

 

[Win200]

Amazing result considering you’re mostly natty. I assumed you’re on gear! What’s your workout routine?

Thanks! These days? Home gym. Seattle's gyms have only been open for a few months this year. But normally I do full-body routines every day; lots of squats, deadlifts, chin ups, and pull ups.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Aren't homosexuals banned from this forum?

cry more if you rather want to see more angry teenage virgins on here that provide nothing of value

banning gays is the dumbest rule they have on here, ban the "propaganda" and gay porn for all i care, but them as a group that is known for being mega blackpilled and always looksmaxxing is beyond dumb

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Yeah considering THIS is where we started from...

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holy fuck he looked like @Lorsss

also i bookmarked the thread, one of the best examples why we should abolish the "no gays rule"

 

[Win200]

cry more if you rather want to see more angry teenage virgins on here that provide nothing of value

banning gays is the dumbest rule they have on here, ban the "propaganda" and gay porn for all i care, but them as a group that is known for being mega blackpilled and always looksmaxxing is beyond dumb

There is literally no group of men on the planet more strategic and fanatical about improving their looks than gay men.

 

[Win200]

Seems like there's been some interest in this thread, so here's the timeline of surgeries I've had:

• August 2011 - rhinoplasty and chin implant (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• June 2012 - hair transplant (1,250 FUT grafts; Robert Niedbalski, Seattle)
• August 2013 - revision rhinoplasty (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• October 2015 - hair transplant (2,200 FUT grafts; Hussein Rahal, Ottawa)
• October 2016 - revision rhinoplasty (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• October 2016 - removal of chin implant, placement of custom jaw wrap implant (Michael Yaremchuk, Boston)
• October 2018 - hair transplant (1,200 FUT grafts; Steve Gabel, Portland)
• November 2020 - custom malar/zygo/infraorbital rim implants; intended to have removal of Yaremchuk jaw implant and replacement with new custom jaw implant in same procedure, but Yaremchuk implant couldn't be safely removed (Barry Eppley, Indianapolis)

Botox and filler use throughout.

 

[Deleted member 3679]

Seems like there's been some interest in this thread, so here's the timeline of surgeries I've had:

• August 2011 - rhinoplasty and chin implant (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• June 2012 - hair transplant (1,250 FUT grafts; Robert Niedbalski, Seattle)
• August 2013 - revision rhinoplasty (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• October 2015 - hair transplant (2,200 FUT grafts; Hussein Rahal, Ottawa)
• October 2016 - revision rhinoplasty (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• October 2016 - removal of chin implant, placement of custom jaw wrap implant (Michael Yaremchuk, Boston)
• October 2018 - hair transplant (1,200 FUT grafts; Steve Gabel, Portland)
• November 2020 - custom malar/zygo/infraorbital rim implants; intended to have removal of Yaremchuk jaw implant and replacement with new custom jaw implant in same procedure, but Yaremchuk implant couldn't be safely removed (Barry Eppley, Indianapolis)

Botox and filler use throughout.

Damn bro you don't quit lol

 

[Deleted member 3679]

Yeah considering THIS is where we started from...

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You did improve a lot but you still had a good base... good eye spacing, great facial height, and phenotype.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Seems like there's been some interest in this thread, so here's the timeline of surgeries I've had:

• August 2011 - rhinoplasty and chin implant (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• June 2012 - hair transplant (1,250 FUT grafts; Robert Niedbalski, Seattle)
• August 2013 - revision rhinoplasty (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• October 2015 - hair transplant (2,200 FUT grafts; Hussein Rahal, Ottawa)
• October 2016 - revision rhinoplasty (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• October 2016 - removal of chin implant, placement of custom jaw wrap implant (Michael Yaremchuk, Boston)
• October 2018 - hair transplant (1,200 FUT grafts; Steve Gabel, Portland)
• November 2020 - custom malar/zygo/infraorbital rim implants; intended to have removal of Yaremchuk jaw implant and replacement with new custom jaw implant in same procedure, but Yaremchuk implant couldn't be safely removed (Barry Eppley, Indianapolis)

Botox and filler use throughout.

@her @Gargantuan @Lorsss @Alexanderr @Kingkellz

it‘s time to lift the ban on them. this forum
is getting filled with angry kids that provide nothing of value and only try to start shit all day

most of you provided great threads sitting in Best of The Best where they belong. threads dedicated to actually improving ones looks.

you also notice that they keep getting bombarded with uninformed low IQ shit posts of angry teens that know nothing and don‘t plan to act on it

here we have a guy that actually went to all the surgeons we like on here, isn‘t posting „propaganda“ , and generously provided so much valuable information despite his sexuality that should him get banned judging by the rules

keep the ban on gay porn, keep the ban on aggressive gay propaganda, keep the ban on trans so that this site doesn‘t turn into shit, but let gay dudes join

there is literally no group of men on the planet more strategic and fanatical about improving their looks than gay men

 

[to_stop_da_cope]

@her @Gargantuan @Lorsss @Alexanderr @Kingkellz

it‘s time to lift the ban on them. this forum
is getting filled with angry kids that provide nothing of value and only try to start shit all day

most of you provided great threads sitting in Best of The Best where they belong. threads dedicated to actually improving ones looks.

you also notice that they keep getting bombarded with uninformed low IQ shit posts of angry teens that know nothing and don‘t plan to act on it

here we have a guy that actually went to all the surgeons we like on here, isn‘t posting „propaganda“ , and generously provided so much valuable information despite his sexuality that should him get banned judging by the rules

keep the ban on gay porn, keep the ban on aggressive gay propaganda, keep the ban on trans so that this site doesn‘t turn into shit, but let gay dudes join

there is literally no group of men on the planet more strategic and fanatical about improving their looks than gay men

theyre not even banning real homosexuals and they ban people like @Ocelot for some obvious joke
this rule is fucked up

 

[Deleted member 7098]

theyre not even banning real homosexuals and they ban people like @Ocelot for some obvious joke
this rule is fucked up

we all initially joined to improve our looks, most got lost and tempted to post shit in offtopic from time to time, but the core idea is that we all want to look better, so why would we exclude them?

we all have different values, and if they aren‘t aggressively pushing it they‘ll provide real good ideas.

this thread should be in BotB instead of running the risk of getting nuked because it‘s a gay dude that provided the information. i learned more from this thread than from any other thread within the last month, and it‘s basically from one guy, imagine the amount of good threads if we didn‘t acted so hostile towards them.
this thread is the best example why the rule should be abolished.

 

[davidzur]

Seems like there's been some interest in this thread, so here's the timeline of surgeries I've had:

• August 2011 - rhinoplasty and chin implant (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• June 2012 - hair transplant (1,250 FUT grafts; Robert Niedbalski, Seattle)
• August 2013 - revision rhinoplasty (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• October 2015 - hair transplant (2,200 FUT grafts; Hussein Rahal, Ottawa)
• October 2016 - revision rhinoplasty (Wayne Larabee, Seattle)
• October 2016 - removal of chin implant, placement of custom jaw wrap implant (Michael Yaremchuk, Boston)
• October 2018 - hair transplant (1,200 FUT grafts; Steve Gabel, Portland)
• November 2020 - custom malar/zygo/infraorbital rim implants; intended to have removal of Yaremchuk jaw implant and replacement with new custom jaw implant in same procedure, but Yaremchuk implant couldn't be safely removed (Barry Eppley, Indianapolis)

Botox and filler use throughout.

Why did you switch from Yaremchuk to Eppley for the cheek implants and jaw revision?

Was it a material thing (silicone over medpor)? Or was it a visual thing? Or was it something else?

 

[Win200]

we all initially joined to improve our looks, most got lost and tempted to post shit in offtopic from time to time, but the core idea is that we all want to look better, so why would we exclude them?

we all have different values, and if they aren‘t aggressively pushing it they‘ll provide real good ideas.

this thread should be in BotB instead of running the risk of getting nuked because it‘s a gay dude that provided the information. i learned more from this thread than from any other thread within the last month, and it‘s basically from one guy, imagine the amount of good threads if we didn‘t acted so hostile towards them.
this thread is the best example why the rule should be abolished.

Hey, thanks--I appreciate all that. I honestly didn't know there was any kind of ban on gays posting here. I really don't think my sexuality is germane, and I haven't mentioned it other than to point out that gay aesthetics are a little different, which explains some of my choices. Everyone has their own goals, straights kind tend to have different preferred looks, and I think that's great. It makes me happy to see people move closer to their goals whatever they may be.

I've spent ten solid years researching the shit out of procedures, consulting doctors, and building up a base of knowledge to avoid making costly and ruinous mistakes. I'd like to think I've largely achieved that, and I really enjoy sharing the knowledge. I don't like tearing people down or insulting them, and I know a lot of people are on this forum because they don't like their appearance, which can be an agonizing thing. If my eight procedures and the experiences that resulted from them can help people here out, then I'm very glad to share.

 

[Win200]

Why did you switch from Yaremchuk to Eppley for the cheek implants and jaw revision?

Was it a material thing (silicone over medpor)? Or was it a visual thing? Or was it something else?

Not a material thing; both used silicone implants and neither, I believe uses medpor at all. The research I switched was temperament. Yaremchuk did a good job and I didn't think my jaw implant was bad at all, but the guy is not a listener. We didn't have any live design sessions--he basically sent me a rendering of what he thought I should get, I emailed some comments, and then it was off to the races. No effort to education me, to ask probing questions to get useful patient feedback--he just didn't seem that invested in the process. At one point, he said, "Your preferences matter, but, at the end of the day, I'm the surgeon." Implying his aesthetic judgment would be the most important arbiter. Eppley is night-and-day different; incredibly interactive, thoughtful, and attentive; multiple live design sessions, etc. Also seems to have more experience with men below middle age, and is more attuned to our aesthetic preferences. Yaremchuk is an extremely skilled surgeon, and he won't botch you, but you'll have to push hard to get his attention and make him implement your goals. I don't need my surgeon to be my best friend, but poor bedside manner can suggest a lack of listening skills, and those are critically important when you're designing custom implants that will re-shape your facial appearance.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Hey, thanks--I appreciate all that. I honestly didn't know there was any kind of ban on gays posting here. I really don't think my sexuality is germane, and I haven't mentioned it other than to point out that gay aesthetics are a little different, which explains some of my choices. Everyone has their own goals, straights kind tend to have different preferred looks, and I think that's great. It makes me happy to see people move closer to their goals whatever they may be.

I've spent ten solid years researching the shit out of procedures, consulting doctors, and building up a base of knowledge to avoid making costly and ruinous mistakes. I'd like to think I've largely achieved that, and I really enjoy sharing the knowledge. I don't like tearing people down or insulting them, and I know a lot of people are on this forum because they don't like their appearance, which can be an agonizing thing. If my eight procedures and the experiences that resulted from them can help people here out, then I'm very glad to share.

it's a dumb rule meant to prevent malicious actors from praying on vulnerable, often insecure, ugly guys and groom them into becoming something they aren't. there was a sub-forum on 4chan that basically turned to praying on these lonely virgin guys and blackmailed some of them into transitioning genders, which resulted in one killing himself on a live-stream.
sad shit, but has nothing to do with adult men helping each other to reach their full aesthetic potential



besides that how comes you went in for 3 rhinos, and always with the same doc if you weren't satisfied with his previous results?

 

[Win200]

it's a dumb rule meant to prevent malicious actors from praying on vulnerable, often insecure, ugly guys and groom them into becoming something they aren't. there was a sub-forum on 4chan that basically turned to praying on these lonely virgin guys and blackmailed some of them into transitioning genders, which resulted in one killing himself on a live-stream.
sad shit, but has nothing to do with adult men helping each other to reach their full aesthetic potential



besides that how comes you went in for 3 rhinos, and always with the same doc if you weren't satisfied with his previous results?

Yeah, that's a good question. If I had to re-do the rhino now I'd do it fundamentally differently. I went local back in 2011 because I didn't know better, but I don't think Larabee did a bad job, per se--I just had a huge, problematic nose. (He said it was the most complex primary rhino he'd done in years.) One side settled asymmetrically after first, corrected that with the second, and narrowed with the third. Just took me awhile to get where I wanted to go. I'm not super on top of the best rhino docs now--more focused on jaw/zygo/eyes. I considered having Yaremchuk do my third rhino at the same time as the jaw, but figured that was a shitty idea bc he's not a nose guy at all.

 

[scalpel]

Not a material thing; both used silicone implants and neither, I believe uses medpor at all. The research I switched was temperament. Yaremchuk did a good job and I didn't think my jaw implant was bad at all, but the guy is not a listener. We didn't have any live design sessions--he basically sent me a rendering of what he thought I should get, I emailed some comments, and then it was off to the races. No effort to education me, to ask probing questions to get useful patient feedback--he just didn't seem that invested in the process. At one point, he said, "Your preferences matter, but, at the end of the day, I'm the surgeon." Implying his aesthetic judgment would be the most important arbiter. Eppley is night-and-day different; incredibly interactive, thoughtful, and attentive; multiple live design sessions, etc. Also seems to have more experience with men below middle age, and is more attuned to our aesthetic preferences. Yaremchuk is an extremely skilled surgeon, and he won't botch you, but you'll have to push hard to get his attention and make him implement your goals. I don't need my surgeon to be my best friend, but poor bedside manner can suggest a lack of listening skills, and those are critically important when you're designing custom implants that will re-shape your facial appearance.

I had a very similar experience with you when it came to Yaremchuk and the wraparound jaw implant. He did a great job, but he definitely steers the ship more and wouldn't budge on certain things I wanted. I think your results were fantastic and you were fortunate enough to have overlying soft tissue that showed the underlying change really well. I had a relatively similar design to my implant but I have nowhere near as great of a result as you due to the way my soft tissues adapted (chin didn't come out looking as square and my jaw angles are far less angular with some masseter dehiscence - not uncommon when lengthening the ramus).

I find your aesthetic improvement over time to be incredible - started at the start of your Instagram and went through it all to present. I'm particularly amazed with your physique improvements. I do have a few questions for you if you don't mind:

1. Can you shed a bit more light as to what you've done over time when it comes to fitness and dieting, especially with regards to the balance of putting on muscle mass while maintaining such low bodyfat year round? Do you go through cutting/bulking cycles? Consistently lean bulk?

2. How do you manage to get and stay so lean naturally? It's really incredible - I was shocked that you had only done one cycle of test. Going off your physique alone I would have sworn that you built your muscle mass up over multiple cycles and maybe used tren when you were at your most lean/vascular, but I stand corrected.

3. How much "improvement" (for lack of better word) in your face would you attribute to achieving very low bodyfat percentage? It seems like it made your features a lot more angular.

As far as the face goes, you mentioned using filler - do you only use this in the cheeks and under the eyes?

Thanks again for commenting here, and I have to really credit you for your maturity - despite a lot of the negative and immature comments here you've taken it all in stride and still been really helpful.

 

[JizzFarmer]

cry more if you rather want to see more angry teenage virgins on here that provide nothing of value

banning gays is the dumbest rule they have on here, ban the "propaganda" and gay porn for all i care, but them as a group that is known for being mega blackpilled and always looksmaxxing is beyond dumb

I never said he should be banned I was just expressing my surprise for the fact that he hadn’t already been banned for admitting no homosexuality.

 

[elfmaxx]

1 psl improvement imo

I'd say these are good results

 

[Yusu]

you can litteraly achieve the same with gum chewing. It takes time but your whole face would approave.

You do not have to do a gayoplastic

 

[davidzur]

Not a material thing; both used silicone implants and neither, I believe uses medpor at all. The research I switched was temperament. Yaremchuk did a good job and I didn't think my jaw implant was bad at all, but the guy is not a listener. We didn't have any live design sessions--he basically sent me a rendering of what he thought I should get, I emailed some comments, and then it was off to the races. No effort to education me, to ask probing questions to get useful patient feedback--he just didn't seem that invested in the process. At one point, he said, "Your preferences matter, but, at the end of the day, I'm the surgeon." Implying his aesthetic judgment would be the most important arbiter. Eppley is night-and-day different; incredibly interactive, thoughtful, and attentive; multiple live design sessions, etc. Also seems to have more experience with men below middle age, and is more attuned to our aesthetic preferences. Yaremchuk is an extremely skilled surgeon, and he won't botch you, but you'll have to push hard to get his attention and make him implement your goals. I don't need my surgeon to be my best friend, but poor bedside manner can suggest a lack of listening skills, and those are critically important when you're designing custom implants that will re-shape your facial appearance.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer questions & sharing your experiences. It's really been invaluable as its a topic not many are willing to talk about.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

actual looksmaxxers in here, think about of the amount of quality threads like this we missed because this site bans gay dudes categorically, give this thread a like and a comment, it's time for a change:

https://looksmax.org/threads/time-to-update-the-rules-gays-should-be-allowed.263508/

@Mouthbreath @to_stop_da_cope @WadlowMaxxing @thinwhiteduke @Mastermind @Danish_Retard @EckhartTollemaxx @ascentium @JizzFarmer @davidzur @scalpel

 

[Deusmaximus]

@Win200 What is your experience with fillers? I cant get implants for the next 2 years, so i will have to work with fillers.
Do you also think they will make you bloated and worse looking on the long term? Is filler migration really a common problem?

Btw you should consult dr.gal aharnov for upper eylid fat grafting/fillers.

"a The ''A-frame'' deformity and volume-depleted area of the upper orbit is clearly noted in this woman. b Marked area of treatment, with each arrow indicating a point of needle entry. The product is placed in small-threads-of-aliquots fashion at the preperiosteal level. c Placement of dermal filler on the supraperiosteal level of the orbit identified in shaded area. d The smooth curve of the upper periorbital rim is restored, giving a softer, more aesthetically pleasing appearance "

 

[davidzur]

actual looksmaxxers in here, think about of the amount of quality threads like this we missed because this site bans gay dudes categorically, give this thread a like and a comment, it's time for a change:

https://looksmax.org/threads/time-to-update-the-rules-gays-should-be-allowed.263508/

@Mouthbreath @to_stop_da_cope @WadlowMaxxing @thinwhiteduke @Mastermind @Danish_Retard @EckhartTollemaxx @ascentium @JizzFarmer @davidzur @scalpel

Hey - I'm trying to access the "Best of the Best" thread but I can't - how does one get to 100 reputation?

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Hey - I'm trying to access the "Best of the Best" thread but I can't - how does one get to 100 reputation?

go to off-topic, post a few memes, and gain 500 total reactions

 

[davidzur]

go to off-topic, post a few memes, and gain 500 total reactions

aight - solid tip. thanks

 

[randomvanish]

And sorry--not on fin, but I'm on dut. I don't think I've tried Botox to drop the brow. My eye area is a mess, TBH. Deepset eyes with high brow bone, so a ton of UEE exposure that's made worse by the fact that I'm like 6-8% BF, so not fat in the area at all to soften the aesthetic.

I got FUT, not FUE. I don't give a shit about the scar and FUE has issues that I wanted to avoid. My per-graft cost was like $4/5.

Do you have fully hard erections with duta, if not do you take any assisting drugs for it ?
also what issues makes you avoid fue?

 

[Win200]

@Win200 What is your experience with fillers? I cant get implants for the next 2 years, so i will have to work with fillers.
Do you also think they will make you bloated and worse looking on the long term? Is filler migration really a common problem?

Btw you should consult dr.gal aharnov for upper eylid fat grafting/fillers.

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"a The ''A-frame'' deformity and volume-depleted area of the upper orbit is clearly noted in this woman. b Marked area of treatment, with each arrow indicating a point of needle entry. The product is placed in small-threads-of-aliquots fashion at the preperiosteal level. c Placement of dermal filler on the supraperiosteal level of the orbit identified in shaded area. d The smooth curve of the upper periorbital rim is restored, giving a softer, more aesthetically pleasing appearance "

Thanks, I'll check out Dr. Aharnov. Before my malar/zygo implants, I had filler in the lips (fucking obviously), nasolabial folds, infraorbital rims, and cheeks/zygos. My underlying bone structure was fine but no real projection/definition. My infraorbital rims in particular were super gaunt, so I always looked tired even when I wasn't. I used tons of Voluma in there--not regular Juvederm. Voluma is a much harder filler so I didn't have any issues with migration, and it didn't look bloated; Voluma doesn't absorb as nearly as much water as other fillers, so it looks sharper and defined. You have to worry about overall volume because you CAN end up with the puffy, pillow-face look and it's easy to just keep adding more when you like what you're seeing. But it's an incredible tool and helps you "try on" an augmentation that could you make permanent later on with implants. I actually think doing that is a good idea, so you (hopefully) won't get surprised by how you look with implants. It's just not a great long-term proposition because of cost and hassle. I started using fillers when I was about 28 (I'm 38 now), so I've got a long bit of experience with them.

 

[Win200]

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer questions & sharing your experiences. It's really been invaluable as its a topic not many are willing to talk about.

Yeah, of course. Happy to do it.