None of you goyslop addicted copers can debunk carnivore. [ MEGATHREAD ]

[Ogionth]

@Ogionth Is scared to enter this thread and argue against my points. He knows he can't, so he's just wasting my time with arguments I already addressed, while not deboonking mine.

Lol, anyone that reads the argument on the other thread will know show massively stupid you are.

You addressed none of the arguments

Can anyone link me to any personal anecdotes or studies on the longevity in consuming raw animal products?

I've been recommended by a couple users to add more meat into my diet, which i agree with. Another user on here told me how cooking the meat removes nutrients, so it's more efficient to eat it raw. I understand all of this but I was wondering if I could read more about it and see how it has...

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[Deleted member 208062]

Lol, anyone that reads the argument on the other thread will know show massively stupid you are.

You addressed none of the arguments

Can anyone link me to any personal anecdotes or studies on the longevity in consuming raw animal products?

I've been recommended by a couple users to add more meat into my diet, which i agree with. Another user on here told me how cooking the meat removes nutrients, so it's more efficient to eat it raw. I understand all of this but I was wondering if I could read more about it and see how it has...

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The irony. I addressed all of your arguments either here or in the conversation, except MeR because you won't type it out. I literally said you can eat carbs and be a carnivore at the same time multiple times, yet you BLATANTLY ignore that. Now address all my arguments here, and if you want to bring your own counterargument, then also address my response if that arguments has already been made.


You fail to address my arguments and ignore my responses, thus you throw in the towel.

 

[Ogionth]

The irony. I addressed all of your arguments either here or in the conversation, except MeR because you won't type it out. I literally said you can eat carbs and be a carnivore at the same time multiple times, yet you BLATANTLY ignore that. Now address all my arguments here, and if you want to bring your own counterargument, then also address my response if that arguments has already been made.


You fail to address my arguments and ignore my responses, thus you throw in the towel.

You have not aggressed even one of the arguments.

You infact couldnt even comprehend the studies

And on one argument, you just said *Oh you can eat plants then it's okay"


And stop writing yaps in multiple threads, just make points in the actual thread, not write like 10 replies each containing the same thing.

 

[Deleted member 208062]

And on one argument, you just said *Oh you can eat plants then it's okay"

Fruits* maybe some starch

Stated in this thread 3 times. 2 times in the other convo. You DNR it.

None of you goyslop addicted copers can debunk carnivore. [ MEGATHREAD ]

Ii already said that a balanced diet with consistent exercise is clearly better just with common sense and knowledge about nutrients:forcedsmile::forcedsmile: But yeah overdose on meat and neglect every other aliment, see how far you'll go in 10-15 years:forcedsmile::forcedsmile::forcedsmile...

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Why do you act like I back paddled when I already said this days before you argued, but you DNR it.

You infact couldnt even comprehend the studies

No logical reasoning. I made around 10 posts about epidemiology with logical reasoning. This is not an argument but a baseless claim.

You have not aggressed even one of the arguments.

I did. Even some in this thread, which you DID. NOT. READ.

And stop writing yaps in multiple threads, just make points in the actual thread, not write like 10 replies each containing the same thing.

I told you to go here multple times, but you keep bringing up arguments I already wrote pages about in this thread.

And when I mention "read my thread, already addressed" you just don't and say I didn't address your argument.

 

[Ogionth]

Fruits* maybe some starch

Fruits are plants too

No logical reasoning. I made around 10 posts about epidemiology with logical reasoning. This is not an argument but a baseless claim.

I did. Even some in this thread, which you DID. NOT. READ.

Logical reasoning in question :

*Denies that a positive correlation and mechanistic evidence is enough for advocating not eating high heme iron*

*Refuses to address MeR*

*Agrees with what I say about max MUR but partially because "after a few weeks"*

*Denies foodbourne disease risks*

I told you to go here multple times, but you keep bringing up arguments I already wrote pages about in this thread.

Why would I come here if the argument had already started?

And when I mention "read my thread, already addressed" you just don't and say I didn't address your argument.

Maybe because you wrote a whole lot of slop without getting to the actual point?

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Fruits are plants too

No, fruits are the structure of a plant that contains seed. Vegetables are the plant itself. Besides, I actively distinguished between the two.

Logical reasoning in question :

*Denies that a positive correlation and mechanistic evidence is enough for advocating not eating high heme iron*

No proven mechanism. Yes, I deny that correlation between modern humans eating processed, cooked meat in a modern unhealthy diet means you shouldn't eat raw, unprocessed meat. Carbohydrates are also linked to diabetes. So we should stop eating carbohydrates and meat now? Every food is related to some type of illness. Tell me, what should we eat? Show me one study that proofs raw meat from a healthy animal causes cancer. You can't.

*Refuses to address MeR*

Searching for it doesn't come up with anything related to this. I asked you multiple times just write out the abbreviation, which you refuse. HOW do you have the audacity to claim I'm refusing to address it, when you don't tell me what this means.

*Agrees with what I say about max MUR but partially because "after a few weeks"*

No, you lack reading comprehension. I said you should test out ketosis for a few weeks, as it takes a few weeks to settle in.

Also, I said this before we argued. You didn't read it. Why are you acting as if I was back paddling? (asking the 2nd time now.)

*Denies foodbourne disease risks*

Show me proof healthy (grass fed, enough space, no medication) raw meat causes disease. It's physically impossible to get disease from a healthy animal.

You don't even address the logical reasoning. When I call that out, you just make fun of it by saying "the logical reasoning in question" instead of debunking it.

Why would I come here if the argument had already started?

So I don't have to repeat myself. Over and over and over again. It literally took more than 5 reminders for you until you acknowledged I don't advocate for a 100% only meat diet.

Maybe because you wrote a whole lot of slop without getting to the actual point?

Calling my entire thread based on studies (actually scientific, not just correlation) and logical reasoning "slop" is unfortunately not an argument.


Don't bother replying if you keep this absolutely blatant way of arguing up. (ignoring the majority of points, misreading over and over again, ridiculing my argument without a counter argument etc).

 

[Deleted member 208062]

@Ogionth we could do a live debate if you want. This way there is more accountability, misunderstandings could be cleared up instantly, it would be more dynamic etc.

 

[Ogionth]

No, fruits are the structure of a plant that contains seed. Vegetables are the plant itself. Besides, I actively distinguished between the two.

Fruits are plants.

Tomatoes are plants.

No proven mechanism.

N-nitroso formation is proven, just because the entire mechanism is not proven doesn't mean there's no plausible mechanistic evidence

Yes, I deny that correlation between modern humans eating processed, cooked meat in a modern unhealthy diet means you shouldn't eat raw, unprocessed meat.

Except that the studies were on heme iron.

Carbohydrates are also linked to diabetes.

Excessive intake

So we should stop eating carbohydrates and meat now?

And you do advocate of excessive intake of meat lol

Every food is related to some type of illness. Tell me, what should we eat? Show me one study that proofs raw meat from a healthy animal causes cancer. You can't.

"Proof"

science doesnt provide proof, it provides evidence.

and as for evidence, i already stated a significant positive correlation + plausible mechanistic evidence

and even provided instances in historyto prove that the study still applies

Searching for it doesn't come up with anything related to this. I asked you multiple times just write out the abbreviation, which you refuse. HOW do you have the audacity to claim I'm refusing to address it, when you don't tell me what this means.

If you're uneducated that's not my fault.

Search Methionine restriction and Longevity on pubmed and it surely will come up

No, you lack reading comprehension. I said you should test out ketosis for a few weeks, as it takes a few weeks to settle in.

So? why should you test out when it is already scientifically confirmed that u cant hit max MUR without intake of carbs

Also, I said this before we argued. You didn't read it. Why are you acting as if I was back paddling? (asking the 2nd time now.)

Show me proof healthy (grass fed, enough space, no medication) raw meat causes disease. It's physically impossible to get disease from a healthy animal.

"Show me proof that we currently live in 30000 with enough technology to make all that happen"

Retard + they still contain microbes but i guess your ideal world even excludes that somehow

You don't even address the logical reasoning. When I call that out, you just make fun of it by saying "the logical reasoning in question" instead of debunking it.

Except that you didnt logically answer anything

1..MUR (agreed with me)
2..Foodbourne diseases (agreed that it has)
3. MeR (has no idea what it is)
4. Cancer risk etc (tries to deny it but cant)

Embarrassing

 

[Ogionth]

@Ogionth we could do a live debate if you want. This way there is more accountability, misunderstandings could be cleared up instantly, it would be more dynamic etc.

No because you haven't answered any of my points and you dont know shit about science because u just tried to deny a study despite plausible mechanistic evidence and significant positive correlation.

Answer that and we will see

+ What does a live debate even mean?

Obviously Im not gonna show my face/voice jfl

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Fruits are plants.

They just aren't. They are the part of a plant that contains the seeds.

Add me on discord, user in PMs

We will live debate rn dipshit

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Obviously Im not gonna show my face/voice jfl

use a voice changer

 

[Ogionth]

Fruits are plants.

Tomatoes are plants.

N-nitroso formation is proven, just because the entire mechanism is not proven doesn't mean there's no plausible mechanistic evidence

Except that the studies were on heme iron.

Excessive intake



And you do advocate of excessive intake of meat lol

"Proof"

science doesnt provide proof, it provides evidence.

and as for evidence, i already stated a significant positive correlation + plausible mechanistic evidence

and even provided instances in historyto prove that the study still applies

If you're uneducated that's not my fault.

Search Methionine restriction and Longevity on pubmed and it surely will come up

So? why should you test out when it is already scientifically confirmed that u cant hit max MUR without intake of carbs



"Show me proof that we currently live in 30000 with enough technology to make all that happen"

Retard + they still contain microbes but i guess your ideal world even excludes that somehow

Except that you didnt logically answer anything

1..MUR (agreed with me)
2..Foodbourne diseases (agreed that it has)
3. MeR (has no idea what it is)
4. Cancer risk etc (tries to deny it but cant)

Embarrassing

+ YOU just fucking dnr'ed two of my responses in the other thread that provided answers for whatever you asked and you're asking to migrate here.

Absolutely not

you started it here, so you can end it and go there.

if u DNR my responses on that thread, just copy paste them here and reply to it and if u dont do that thn u are not interested in defending your position

 

[Deleted member 208062]

+ YOU just fucking dnr'ed two of my responses in the other thread that provided answers for whatever you asked and you're asking to migrate here.

Absolutely not

you started it here, so you can end it and go there.

if u DNR my responses on that thread, just copy paste them here and reply to it and if u dont do that thn u are not interested in defending your position

I will respond, but I prefer a live debate.

 

[Ogionth]

They just aren't. They are the part of a plant that contains the seeds.
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Add me on discord, user in PMs

We will live debate rn dipshit

Tomatoes are fruits.

And tomatoes are plants.


+ Why did you just provide ai evidence

as if I cant

"Live debate live debate" you just dnred two of my responses that i spent 10 mins on

 

[Ogionth]

use a voice changer

Idk how to use one correctly + you can know one's country etc by their voice and im not tryna dox myself, or connect this forum in any way to my real life

And regardless, a live debate or an oral one doesn't matter or a textual because you literally failed to reply to any of my arguments and you dont even know what MeR is

 

[Ogionth]

I will respond, but I prefer a live debate.

You respond and stop making 10 replies

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Tomatoes are fruits.

And tomatoes are plants.


+ Why did you just provide ai evidence

as if I cant View attachment 4088479

"Live debate live debate" you just dnred two of my responses that i spent 10 mins on

You ignored my entire thread anyway too, don't act as if I'm the one ignoring here. As I said, I will respond, or do I have to respond within 5 minutes, LOL.

I can take my time.

So you are dodging the live debate?

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Idk how to use one correctly + you can know one's country etc by their voice and im not tryna dox myself, or connect this forum in any way to my real life

And regardless, a live debate or an oral one doesn't matter or a textual because you literally failed to reply to any of my arguments and you dont even know what MeR is

You ignored my entire thread and all my responses to your arguments. When I respond you just say; LOL you deny my argument!! Emberassing! "You literally agree with me!" Acting as if I back paddled, when my position was clear from the start, you were just too stupid to read.

 

[Ogionth]

You ignored my entire thread anyway too, don't act as if I'm the one ignoring here. As I said, I will respond, or do I have to respond within 5 minutes, LOL.

I can take my time.

Stop making so many replies and address the point

So you are dodging the live debate?

Not dodging, blatantly denying.

I've often previously stated in this forum that I refuse to connect anything to my real life from it since that's the smartest decision.

I swear by God, I would have done it. Had there not been the risk of connection to any of my real life.


And it doesn't matter whether it's a live debate or a textual because clearly you seem like you have more interesT in making 10 replies irrelevant to the argument than actially addressing it

 

[sinister.]

tltr

OP kill yourself

 

[Ogionth]

You ignored my entire thread

Because majority of your thread is slop, I prefer actual points.

And thats what u are doing here rn too literally sent like 10 replies on the 2 threads like for fucks sake

and all my responses to your arguments. When I respond you just say; LOL you deny my argument!! Emberassing!

You didn't respond to any of them logically and we all saw that.

"You literally agree with me!" Acting as if I back paddled, when my position was clear from the start, you were just too stupid to read.

How is it back paddling when you literally agreed on the carb point partially but was wrong about the "just go to ketosis for a few weeks and then see bro"

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Stop making so many replies and address the point

Not dodging, blatantly denying.

I've often previously stated in this forum that I refuse to connect anything to my real life from it since that's the smartest decision.

I swear by God, I would have done it. Had there not been the risk of connection to any of my real life.


And it doesn't matter whether it's a live debate or a textual because clearly you seem like you have more interesT in making 10 replies irrelevant to the argument than actially addressing it

You do realize mods have your IP anyway and know what country you're from? Okay I will address your arguments now. But then you will have to address mine, because you ignored my entire thread. Now give me some time

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Because majority of your thread is slop, I prefer actual points.

And thats what u are doing here rn too literally sent like 10 replies on the 2 threads like for fucks sake

You didn't respond to any of them logically and we all saw that.

How is it back paddling when you literally agreed on the carb point partially but was wrong about the "just go to ketosis for a few weeks and then see bro"

Alright, so you just call my thread slop and DNR it, but then expect me to refute your arguments? You even DNR my responses.

 

[Ogionth]

You do realize mods have your IP anyway and know what country you're from?

Except that they wont leak it

Okay I will address your arguments now. But then you will have to address mine,

Your arguments against exactly what?

because you ignored my entire thread. Now give me some time

Make sure to not deflect again from each point.

 

[Ogionth]

Alright, so you just call my thread slop and DNR it

Because there's no point in your thread about
MeR
Foodbourne dis
Cancer risks

, but then expect me to refute your arguments? You even DNR my responses.

I didnt dnr any of your responses on that thread and told you to continue there but you were so fixated on coming here that you probably missed my replies to those.

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Your arguments against exactly what?

Against not eating mostly meat (carnivore). My entire thread, which I linked 10 times. Also, you ignore most of my points. This isn't going anywhere, you obviously don't want to admit the truth. Can you please answer my question how much meat/fruit/vegetables/dairy we should eat in % (roughly) while I respodn to your original takes that you want me to address? Thank you

 

[Ogionth]

Against not eating mostly meat (carnivore).

Well what exactly do u mean because thats what we are doing, my arguments are against your 70% meat and 20% more carnivore (if u include dairy) so total 90?

My entire thread, which I linked 10 times. Also, you ignore most of my points. This isn't going anywhere, you obviously don't want to admit the truth

I didnt ignore a single of ur point on that thread, stop lying so blatantly lol

. Can you please answer my question how much meat/fruit/vegetables/dairy we should eat in % (roughly) while I respodn to your original takes that you want me to address? Thank you

I answered this in the original thread.

But it definitely shouldnt be what you advocate, especially not after 25 and below 60

 

[Deleted member 208062]

I didnt ignore a single of ur point on that thread, stop lying so blatantly lol

You still didn't explain what mer is after I asked you multiple times. I think it took 3 times questioning until you asked. Saying "uneducated, not my fault" is just not an argument, ad hominem. It's quite easy to jsut tell me the first time I ask. And then you also act as if I purposefully ignore your point, which isn't true. You still didn't answer my 3 questions as to why you act like I back paddle on fruits, when that was my original position anyway. You just did not read my thread for way too long, which makes you lose all your credibility.

I didnt ignore a single of ur point on that thread, stop lying so blatantly lol

Ignored anti nutrients, fiber, meat containing all nutrients, ignored dangers of plants (vegetables), ignored the randle cycle, ignored stable isotope study. You ignored most of it.

 

[takethewhitepill]

Only works of you eat nose to tail raw + dnr, it's not worth it since you show foids you are nd eating raw meat

 

[Ogionth]

You still didn't explain what mer is after I asked you multiple times. I think it took 3 times questioning until you asked. Saying "uneducated, not my fault" is just not an argument, ad hominem.

An "ad hominem" is when the insult is used as an argument to dismiss something

But here I haven't dismissed anything, neither did I use the insult as a way to undermine your argument because there wasn't one to begin with, I only told you go to read it thats it

Stop using terms you dont know the meaning of

It's quite easy to jsut tell me the first time I ask

it's a long topic, you need to read it on ur own

. And then you also act as if I purposefully ignore your point, which isn't true.

it's true you ignored alot of my points on that thread

You still didn't answer my 3 questions as to why you act like I back paddle on fruits, when that was my original position anyway.

Why did I say you backpaddled? I just said we agreed

AND I ANSWERED THIS IN A PREVIOUS REPLY HERE IN THIS THREAD IF U Had BOTHERed tO READ

I only added that experimenting keto for weeks is still not useless because there's no case where randle cycle would suffice for max mur lol

You just did not read my thread for way too long, which makes you lose all your credibility.

Ignored anti nutrients, fiber, meat containing all nutrients, ignored dangers of plants (vegetables),

i didnt read those because those are not necessarily against me, my position currently is against 90% carnivore thats it

ignored the randle cycle,

i answered it that experimenting on a few weeks of keto, it still will NOT suffice for max MUR in most cases

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Fruits are plants.

Tomatoes are plants.

N-nitroso formation is proven, just because the entire mechanism is not proven doesn't mean there's no plausible mechanistic evidence

Except that the studies were on heme iron.

Excessive intake



And you do advocate of excessive intake of meat lol

"Proof"

science doesnt provide proof, it provides evidence.

and as for evidence, i already stated a significant positive correlation + plausible mechanistic evidence

and even provided instances in historyto prove that the study still applies

If you're uneducated that's not my fault.

Search Methionine restriction and Longevity on pubmed and it surely will come up

So? why should you test out when it is already scientifically confirmed that u cant hit max MUR without intake of carbs



"Show me proof that we currently live in 30000 with enough technology to make all that happen"

Retard + they still contain microbes but i guess your ideal world even excludes that somehow

Except that you didnt logically answer anything

1..MUR (agreed with me)
2..Foodbourne diseases (agreed that it has)
3. MeR (has no idea what it is)
4. Cancer risk etc (tries to deny it but cant)

Embarrassing

Arguing "tomatoes are plants" is just semantic cope. Nobody is denying tomatoes grow on plants , the distinction was about plant parts fruit vs. leaves/stalk That has zero bearing on whether the diet I advocate for is superior. You're dodging.

You keep saying "heme --> cancer" as if that's settled. It isn't. Yes, nitrosation can occur in theory, but the body also has defenses: antioxidants, gut microbiota, bile regulation. Lab conditions =/= real-world human metabolism. Correlation studies don't prove causation, as I said many times now. Most of those meat–cancer studies are observational with massive confounders (smoking, seed oils, refined carbs, obesity, low activity). People who eat more meat in the modern Western diet also tend to eat fewer micronutrients, and more junk. That’s not a test of raw, unprocessed, grass fed meat.

Again, you admit the point, that pathogens are the risk. That’s a food safety/handling issue, not a proof of long term carcinogenicity. With healthy animals, hygienic slaughter, the risks is basically non existent. You can’t fathom the difference between factory meat and properly sourced raw meat, jfl. And you can't just say methionine. That's not a valid argument. Explain. When I searched this up I found that it increases life span in other animals with comepletely different digestion and gut microbiomes. Not in humans. Show me the proof.

Lmaooo

There is no cancer risk with healthy animals. We have eaten mostly meat for over 100.000 years with cancer only showing after we switched up on our natural diet (agricultural revolution).

YOU agreed with ME on MUR. I never claimed you don't need carbs for optimal MUR. You didn't understand it until I told you multiple times.

Embarrassing

 

[Ogionth]

Arguing "tomatoes are plants" is just semantic cope. Nobody is denying tomatoes grow on plants , the distinction was about plant parts fruit vs. leaves/stalk That has zero bearing on whether the diet I advocate for is superior.

Wat u are arguing is semantic cope too.

Either way carbs = from plant sources.

thats it

You're dodging.

You're embarrassing

You keep saying "heme --> cancer" as if that’s settled. It isn’t. Yes, nitrosation can occur in theory, but the body also has defenses: antioxidants, gut microbiota, bile regulation. Lab conditions =/= real-world human metabolism.

peer reviewed journal.

as i provided multiple examplés from history smoking lung cancer, asbestos

you dont need a causal exact evidence

theres enough plausible mechanistic evidence and strong positive correlation, thats enough

Most of those meat–cancer studies are observational with massive confounders (smoking, seed oils, refined carbs, obesity, low activity). People who eat more meat in the modern Western diet also tend to eat fewer micronutrients, and more junk. That’s not a test of raw, unprocessed, grass fed meat.

except that they found a significant correlation with HEME IRON SPECIFICALLY.

whether raw or processed or not, there was a correlation and plasuinle mechanistic evidence

Stop dodging it, and repeating your points, we already went all over this in the other thread to which u didnt resond but replied nonsense about 10 times here.

Again, you admit the point, that pathogens are the risk. That’s a food safety/handling issue, not a proof of long term carcinogenicity.

No it is carcionigenity lol, the heme iron doesn't come from pathogens.

It's embarrassing how this point has been repeated over 5 times now, you're so ignorant to basic biology .

With healthy animals, hygienic slaughter, the risks is basically non existent.

Wrong, the cancer risk is the same

You can’t fathom the difference between factory meat and properly sourced raw meat, jfl.

nd you can't just say methionine. That's not a valid argument. Explain. When I searched this up I found that it increases life span in other animals with comepletely different digestion and gut microbiomes. Not in humans. Show me the proof.

Science doesnt operate on proof, it operates on evidence.

And theres enough.

You just didnt read it, dude just put it into chat gpt

Lmaooo

There is no cancer risk with healthy animals.

study says otherwise
i stated many studies in the previous thread lol

We have eaten mostly meat for over 100.000 years with cancer only showing after we switched up on our natural diet (agricultural revolution).

Wrong

YOU agreed with ME on MUR. I never claimed you don't need carbs for optimal MUR. You didn't understand it until I told you multiple times.

No you did lol, you did advise to go Keto for a few weeks as if that would work for anybody

So yes you agreed with me, stop trying to make it seem like u werent wrong

Embarrassing

Indeed you are

 

[Wexilarious]

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I partially disagree. This is not gospel. I don't have to take the word of this guy.
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I agree personal anecdotes and YouTube are not scientific whatsoever, but correlation does not prove causation. Likewise, I could go and make a meta analysis of how going outside with an umbrella is highly linked to it raining later.

It still holds up. You can not debunk carnivore. None of these studies are against the carnivore diet in comparison.

I agree actually! Eating vegetables and fruits in a "balanced" diet is more healthy than consuming the lowest level of processed goyslop!

Sadly, that wasn't my argument.

Tbh i can't debunk carnivore because it really works, just not better than vegan or just eating raw food

but it's funny how science used, my science proofs is more science then yours and scientist not true even thought all this things created by literally them

 

[Deleted member 208062]

An "ad hominem" is when the insult is used as an argument to dismiss something

You're wrong about the ad hominem. I asked you what MER is, and you didn't answer. Then when I pressed for clarification, you called me uneducated. That's exactly using an insult to avoid answering the question. Stop trying to act like it's something else.

it's a long topic, you need to read it on ur own

Says who? Maybe don't use abbreviations if you don't care to just type one word.

it's true you ignored alot of my points on that thread

You ignored my entire thread to begin with. Stop trying to twist it as if you are addressing all my arguments. I am catching up, you are still not addressing all arguments in my original thread.

Why did I say you backpaddled? I just said we agreed

It does seem like it, because you bring it up right before saying it would be embarrassing.

AND I ANSWERED THIS IN A PREVIOUS REPLY HERE IN THIS THREAD IF U Had BOTHERed tO READ

I did now, but you purposefully did not explain it at first.

I only added that experimenting keto for weeks is still not useless because there's no case where randle cycle would suffice for max mur lol

1: Not everyone needs max MUR all the time, some already built a decent physique, for example.
2: You still don't know what the randle cycle means.

Stop using terms you dont know the meaning of

i didnt read those because those are not necessarily against me, my position currently is against 90% carnivore thats it

Carnivore does not mean animal based, it means meat. But that's besides the point, I get what you mean. Let me read up on what you recommend in % in a minute

i answered it that experimenting on a few weeks of keto, it still will NOT suffice for max MUR in most cases

Takes weeks until ketosis fully sets in, so it's worth to try and test it out. Just a misunderstanding on your part, but that can happen in a heated debate.

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Wat u are arguing is semantic cope too.

LOL, no logical reasoning.

Wat u are arguing is semantic cope too.

Either way carbs = from plant sources.

thats it

You're embarrassing

Clearly not, as plants are toxic and not hydrating. I showed proof in my thread, but you DNR, JFL.

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peer reviewed journal.

as i provided multiple examplés from history smoking lung cancer, asbestos

you dont need a causal exact evidence

Yes you do. Correlation does not equal causation. Simple as that.

Wat u are arguing is semantic cope too.

Either way carbs = from plant sources.

thats it

You're embarrassing

View attachment 4088564
peer reviewed journal.

as i provided multiple examplés from history smoking lung cancer, asbestos

you dont need a causal exact evidence

theres enough plausible mechanistic evidence and strong positive correlation, thats enough

except that they found a significant correlation with HEME IRON SPECIFICALLY.

whether raw or processed or not, there was a correlation and plasuinle mechanistic evidence

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Stop dodging it, and repeating your points, we already went all over this in the other thread to which u didnt resond but replied nonsense about 10 times here.

I am responding right now. You clearly ignored all my points, my entire thread even. But now you just say "you ignore my points" in response. What point did I ignore? I will answer. But now you answer my thread please.
This peer reviewed journal literally tests on mice as well. LOL. Not humans. Not relevant at all.
"You don't need causal exact evidence"
But we got mechanistic evidence suggesting correlation in random diets including meat, some even in mice.

I reply:

You say nonsense.

Good argument!

 

[Ogionth]

You're wrong about the ad hominem. I asked you what MER is, and you didn't answer. Then when I pressed for clarification, you called me uneducated. That's exactly using an insult to avoid answering the question. Stop trying to act like it's something else.

an insult to avoid question is not an adhominem,

an ad hominem is an insult used for undermining the other person's argument.

and u didnt show any argument at that point so it cant be an adhominem, it was simply an insult

dont use words u dont know the meaning of

fallacy fallacy someone learned a new word

Says who? Maybe don't use abbreviations if you don't care to just type one word.

Maybe know most of the things about the diet you're propagating instead of being a retard?

You ignored my entire thread to begin with. Stop trying to twist it as if you are addressing all my arguments. I am catching up, you are still not addressing all arguments in my original thread.

I already did lol, you have no argument against my position against your majority carnivore specifically

You have 2 unresponded things left on there

and you started 10 more replies here to deflect the points but it's not working

It does seem like it,

If you're interpreting it that way, thats on u

because you bring it up right before saying it would be embarrassing.

It's embarrassing because you thought experimenting with keto could be enough for some people

I did now, but you purposefully did not explain it at first.

'Purposefully' no i did explain it u just didnt read it

1: Not everyone needs max MUR all the time, some already built a decent physique, for example.

So 1% of the people ? lol whats ur point

2: You still don't know what the randle cycle means.

burning carbs OR fats for energy has nothing to do with max MUR as fat oxidation occurs much slower than glucose

Carnivore does not mean animal based, it means meat. But that's besides the point, I get what you mean.

If you're going by the literal definition then yes it does mean animal based lol

Stop using terms outside of their literal meaning but instead clarify

so yes u do advocate for 90% carnivore but these are semantics and dont get too deep into it

Let me read up on what you recommend in % in a minute

Takes weeks until ketosis fully sets in, so it's worth to try and test it out.

Test it out for what? In no cases it's gonna work for max MUR

Just a misunderstanding on your part, but that can happen in a heated debate.

Not a misunderstanding you're just trying to deflect jfl

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Science doesnt operate on proof, it operates on evidence.

"I can't prove raw meat causes cancer, but there is correlation between processed meat and cancer in modern diets and mice".

You just didnt read it, dude just put it into chat gpt

Cope. How about you debunk my thread instead of linking correlation studies? No arguments addressed. We can keep going, but we won't come to a conclusion. You are just stuck at correlation with processed meat without controlled variables.

 

[Deleted member 144336]

You can not debunk carnivore

Spoiler: Thread theme

The vast majority of this forum consists of peptide copers who are also addicted to goyslop, but then seriously suggest the natural human diet is inferior to the unnatural dysgenic modern diet.

Before you bombard me with logical fallacies, read my statement at the bottom. Failing to do so means you concede the argument!

Just think from a logical perspective: Do you really think the diet humans naturally adapted to eat for over 100.000 years is unhealthier than the modern diet causing malocclusion, narrow palates, crooked teeth and many more health problems?

The last ice age was about 110.000-10.000 years ago. 99% of plants you consume would not have been available at this time. Keep in mind most plants we consume don't exist in nature. Research supporting this:

Spoiler: Stable isotope study

https://www.reuters.com/science/mammoths-topped-menu-north-american-ice-age-people-2024-12-04/

Chapter 1:
Micro nutrients, fiber, and dangers of consuming plants.

Spoiler: Chapter 1

Meat has every single essential nutrient, without any anti nutrients or poisonous plant chemicals. Plants use these anti nutrientsto defend them selves from being eaten. Humans are not adapted to eat plants. Fiber is useless, it can't be digested by the human body and leads to constipation and bloat.

"But it's good to treat constipation!"

Yet this actual scientific study isolating variables found the exact opposite:

Spoiler

Checking your browser - reCAPTCHA

"In our recent study, patients who followed a diet with no or less dietary fiber intake showed a significant improvement, not just in their constipation, but also in their bloatedness. Patients who completely stopped consuming dietary fiber no longer suffered from abdominal bloatedness and pain"

"But plants are healthy and not poisonous, what are you talking about? They are full of essential vitamins! "
"But healthy antioxidants bro! "

Goitrogens in broccoli can negatively impact brain development:

Spoiler

Role of goitrogens in iodine deficiency disorders & brain development - PubMed

Although iodine deficiency has primarily been implicated in the causation of goitre, the significant role played by food goitrogens in the etiology of iodine deficiency disorder (IDD) is being increasingly recognized. Impaired brain development is the major cause of concern in IDD. Detailed...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Lectins inhibit nutrient absorption, thus leading to nutrient deficiencies:

Spoiler

Lectins • The Nutrition Source

Lectins, or hemagglutinins, are an “anti-nutrient” that have received much attention due to popular media and fad diet books citing lectins as a major cause

nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu

Lectins in plants may contribute to autoimmune diseases:

Spoiler

From inflammation to immune regulation: The dual nature of dietary lectins in health and disease

Beans, vegetables, fruits, and mushrooms offer a delightful array of fragrances and an abundance of nutrients, including essential vitamins, minerals,…

www.sciencedirect.com

Trypsin inhibitors in soybeans and legumes can reduce protein digestibility by up to 50% and protein quality by up to 100%:

Spoiler

Impact of antinutritional factors in food proteins on the digestibility of protein and the bioavailability of amino acids and on protein quality - PubMed

Dietary antinutritional factors have been reported to adversely affect the digestibility of protein, bioavailability of amino acids and protein quality of foods. Published data on these negative effects of major dietary antinutritional factors are summarized in this manuscript. Digestibility and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Estrogenic activity of your "healthy" antioxidants:

Spoiler

Risks and safety of polyphenol consumption - PubMed

This article gives an overview of the potential hazards of polyphenol consumption, as reported during the round-table discussion at the 1st International Conference on Polyphenols and Health, held in Vichy, France, November 2003. Adverse effects of polyphenols have been evaluated primarily in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

80% of kidney stones are caused by oxalates:

Spoiler

Strategies for preventing calcium oxalate stones - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

75% of calcium in spinach is not bioavailable due to oxalates:

Spoiler

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12810415//

Conversion of beta-carotene to vitamin A is inefficient:

Spoiler

The challenge to reach nutritional adequacy for vitamin A: β-carotene bioavailability and conversion—evidence in humans

β-Carotene is an important dietary source of vitamin A for humans. However, the bioavailability and vitamin A equivalency of β-carotene are highly var…

www.sciencedirect.com

ALA (Plant-Based Omega-3) conversion to DHA is below 5%:

Spoiler

Efficiency of conversion of alpha-linolenic acid to long chain n-3 fatty acids in man - PubMed

Alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3) is the major n-3 (omega 3) fatty acid in the human diet. It is derived mainly from terrestrial plant consumption and it has long been thought that its major biochemical role is as the principal precursor for long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids, of which...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Plant proteins have lower bioavailability and contain anti-nutrients that hinder nutrient absorption:

Spoiler

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Plants are missing 15 micro nutrients that are all found in meat. Some plants can contain insufficient trace amounts of a few of these nutrients, often due to bacteria or similar sources. But generally, they lack these 15 essential micro nutrients in sufficient quantities needed for optimal health and development.

Chapter 2: Gluconeogenesis, the natural energy source

Spoiler: Chapter 2

Watch this video on the Randle cycle, no need to type it out and make this thread longer than it already is. He explains it well:

Basically: Your body creates enough carbs to thrive on its own trough gluconeogenesis. Humans have lived on gluconeogenesis for decamillennia. Gymcels read the statement below.

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle

Eating the natural carnivore diet will prevent cancer and diabetes, as your blood glucose level won't be chronically elevated:

Spoiler

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28096127/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8434558/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6355252/

"But I go to the gym, I need carbs!"

You don't need to do 5 sets of 20 of squats, just do low volume high intensity. If you still feel the need for carbs after fixing your sleep schedule and a few weeks of ketosis, go ahead and eat some fruit for carbs. You don't need to do everything perfect or 100% similar to our ancestors. My point is, that even imitating the most natural diet as close as possible for your life circumstances is superior to goyslop.

Common logical fallacies: "Raw meat won't ascend you!" — Yes, it won't. It's still the healthiest "diet". I never claimed it would magically triple your PSL.
"Bro listens to Goatis, what a retard!" — I don't. Goatis did not invent the natural human diet. I disagree with a lot of stuff he says.

Go after the logical reasoning and actual arguments if you disagree. Trying to use ad hominem or a straw man won't work here. Be better. Let's see how many "people" still bring make use of these.

Of course, there is much more to this, but I think this is a great start.

​

mirin‘

 

[Ogionth]

LOL, no logical reasoning.

you lost in semantics and logic both, dont embarrass yourself

Clearly not, as plants are toxic and not hydrating. I showed proof in my thread, but you DNR, JFL.

All carbs come from plant sources.

Your argument "redefines terms" makes new definitions for carnivore and others and then argues by them
like bro cmon dont embarrass yourself

Yes you do. Correlation does not equal causation. Simple as that.

Lol no one said that? But theres mechanistic plausible CAUSAL evidence too

I am responding right now. You clearly ignored all my points, my entire thread even.

No one ignored any of ur points on that thread unless u ran here making 10.replies

repeating the same arguments and crying

But now you just say "you ignore my points" in response. What point did I ignore? I will answer. But now you answer my thread please.

Answer what exactly about your thread

what do u want me to do about the ice age study?

This peer reviewed journal literally tests on mice as well. LOL. Not humans. Not relevant at all.

1. that doesnt make it invalid, thw effects of smoking were also tested on mice first

2. the significant correlation was on humans and the mechanistic evidence was also mentioned in that study too

"You don't need causal exact evidence"
But we got mechanistic evidence suggesting correlation in random diets including meat, some even in mice.

in humans,

and the mechanistic evidence is causal but it doesn't explain the entire mechanism.

and the random diet point i already clarified Over 10 times now that it doesn't matter because all carnivore contains heme iron and veg doesn't

I reply:

You say nonsense.

Good argument!

M maybe because you've been repeating the same points for like 10 times now

You probably have realised that u were wrong but it's too hurtful for ur ego to admit so u just go on repeating

 

[FiendFiend]

You can not debunk carnivore

Spoiler: Thread theme

The vast majority of this forum consists of peptide copers who are also addicted to goyslop, but then seriously suggest the natural human diet is inferior to the unnatural dysgenic modern diet.

Before you bombard me with logical fallacies, read my statement at the bottom. Failing to do so means you concede the argument!

Just think from a logical perspective: Do you really think the diet humans naturally adapted to eat for over 100.000 years is unhealthier than the modern diet causing malocclusion, narrow palates, crooked teeth and many more health problems?

The last ice age was about 110.000-10.000 years ago. 99% of plants you consume would not have been available at this time. Keep in mind most plants we consume don't exist in nature. Research supporting this:

Spoiler: Stable isotope study

https://www.reuters.com/science/mammoths-topped-menu-north-american-ice-age-people-2024-12-04/

Chapter 1:
Micro nutrients, fiber, and dangers of consuming plants.

Spoiler: Chapter 1

Meat has every single essential nutrient, without any anti nutrients or poisonous plant chemicals. Plants use these anti nutrientsto defend them selves from being eaten. Humans are not adapted to eat plants. Fiber is useless, it can't be digested by the human body and leads to constipation and bloat.

"But it's good to treat constipation!"

Yet this actual scientific study isolating variables found the exact opposite:

Spoiler

Checking your browser - reCAPTCHA

"In our recent study, patients who followed a diet with no or less dietary fiber intake showed a significant improvement, not just in their constipation, but also in their bloatedness. Patients who completely stopped consuming dietary fiber no longer suffered from abdominal bloatedness and pain"

"But plants are healthy and not poisonous, what are you talking about? They are full of essential vitamins! "
"But healthy antioxidants bro! "

Goitrogens in broccoli can negatively impact brain development:

Spoiler

Role of goitrogens in iodine deficiency disorders & brain development - PubMed

Although iodine deficiency has primarily been implicated in the causation of goitre, the significant role played by food goitrogens in the etiology of iodine deficiency disorder (IDD) is being increasingly recognized. Impaired brain development is the major cause of concern in IDD. Detailed...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Lectins inhibit nutrient absorption, thus leading to nutrient deficiencies:

Spoiler

Lectins • The Nutrition Source

Lectins, or hemagglutinins, are an “anti-nutrient” that have received much attention due to popular media and fad diet books citing lectins as a major cause

nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu

Lectins in plants may contribute to autoimmune diseases:

Spoiler

From inflammation to immune regulation: The dual nature of dietary lectins in health and disease

Beans, vegetables, fruits, and mushrooms offer a delightful array of fragrances and an abundance of nutrients, including essential vitamins, minerals,…

www.sciencedirect.com

Trypsin inhibitors in soybeans and legumes can reduce protein digestibility by up to 50% and protein quality by up to 100%:

Spoiler

Impact of antinutritional factors in food proteins on the digestibility of protein and the bioavailability of amino acids and on protein quality - PubMed

Dietary antinutritional factors have been reported to adversely affect the digestibility of protein, bioavailability of amino acids and protein quality of foods. Published data on these negative effects of major dietary antinutritional factors are summarized in this manuscript. Digestibility and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Estrogenic activity of your "healthy" antioxidants:

Spoiler

Risks and safety of polyphenol consumption - PubMed

This article gives an overview of the potential hazards of polyphenol consumption, as reported during the round-table discussion at the 1st International Conference on Polyphenols and Health, held in Vichy, France, November 2003. Adverse effects of polyphenols have been evaluated primarily in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

80% of kidney stones are caused by oxalates:

Spoiler

Strategies for preventing calcium oxalate stones - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

75% of calcium in spinach is not bioavailable due to oxalates:

Spoiler

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12810415//

Conversion of beta-carotene to vitamin A is inefficient:

Spoiler

The challenge to reach nutritional adequacy for vitamin A: β-carotene bioavailability and conversion—evidence in humans

β-Carotene is an important dietary source of vitamin A for humans. However, the bioavailability and vitamin A equivalency of β-carotene are highly var…

www.sciencedirect.com

ALA (Plant-Based Omega-3) conversion to DHA is below 5%:

Spoiler

Efficiency of conversion of alpha-linolenic acid to long chain n-3 fatty acids in man - PubMed

Alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3) is the major n-3 (omega 3) fatty acid in the human diet. It is derived mainly from terrestrial plant consumption and it has long been thought that its major biochemical role is as the principal precursor for long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids, of which...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Plant proteins have lower bioavailability and contain anti-nutrients that hinder nutrient absorption:

Spoiler

Checking your browser - reCAPTCHA

Plants are missing 15 micro nutrients that are all found in meat. Some plants can contain insufficient trace amounts of a few of these nutrients, often due to bacteria or similar sources. But generally, they lack these 15 essential micro nutrients in sufficient quantities needed for optimal health and development.

Chapter 2: Gluconeogenesis, the natural energy source

Spoiler: Chapter 2

Watch this video on the Randle cycle, no need to type it out and make this thread longer than it already is. He explains it well:

Basically: Your body creates enough carbs to thrive on its own trough gluconeogenesis. Humans have lived on gluconeogenesis for decamillennia. Gymcels read the statement below.

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle

Eating the natural carnivore diet will prevent cancer and diabetes, as your blood glucose level won't be chronically elevated:

Spoiler

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28096127/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8434558/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6355252/

"But I go to the gym, I need carbs!"

You don't need to do 5 sets of 20 of squats, just do low volume high intensity. If you still feel the need for carbs after fixing your sleep schedule and a few weeks of ketosis, go ahead and eat some fruit for carbs. You don't need to do everything perfect or 100% similar to our ancestors. My point is, that even imitating the most natural diet as close as possible for your life circumstances is superior to goyslop.

Common logical fallacies: "Raw meat won't ascend you!" — Yes, it won't. It's still the healthiest "diet". I never claimed it would magically triple your PSL.
"Bro listens to Goatis, what a retard!" — I don't. Goatis did not invent the natural human diet. I disagree with a lot of stuff he says.

Go after the logical reasoning and actual arguments if you disagree. Trying to use ad hominem or a straw man won't work here. Be better. Let's see how many "people" still bring make use of these.

Of course, there is much more to this, but I think this is a great start.

​

imo should have some dairy and some fruits for carbs but none the less very true

 

[Ogionth]

"I can't prove

Science doesnt operate on proof

raw meat causes cancer, but there is correlation between processed meat and cancer in modern diets and mice".

No? The correlation study was on humans

Cope. How about you debunk my thread instead of linking correlation studies? No arguments addressed. We can keep going, but we won't come to a conclusion. You are just stuck at correlation with processed meat without controlled variables.

Your processed and cooked meat argument has been answered alot of times now lol, because it's about heme iron not about the meat, whether or not it's cooked or there were plants in the diet doesn't make a difference

it's embarrassing how you're repeating this over and over

4th time or so now?

 

[Deleted member 208062]

an insult to avoid question is not an adhominem,

an ad hominem is an insult used for undermining the other person's argument.

and u didnt show any argument at that point so it cant be an adhominem, it was simply an insult

dont use words u dont know the meaning of

fallacy fallacy someone learned a new word

Literally cope. You said I can't debunk mer, which is clearly an argument as to why you are better off in this debate. I then countered with the fact that you won't explain it to me. Calling me uneducated instead of agreeing, you were tying to deceive me or others who read this thread into thinking I can't argue against that point of yours.

Maybe know most of the things about the diet you're propagating instead of being a retard?

I already did lol, you have no argument against my position against your majority carnivore specifically

You have 2 unresponded things left on there

and you started 10 more replies here to deflect the points but it's not working

If you're interpreting it that way, thats on u

It's embarrassing because you thought experimenting with keto could be enough for some people

JFL, "I ignored your entire thread but you haven't responded to all my points I keep repeating yet". No argument, you just said keto bad in the last line here, nice. You make replies here to deflect my points too, but you keep repeating yourself. It's clearly not working.

'Purposefully' no i did explain it u just didnt read it

Only after I asked you multiple times, as I said earlier. You are just spouting out a bunch of non sense now.

burning carbs OR fats for energy has nothing to do with max MUR as fat oxidation occurs much slower than glucose

Exactly, so why do you keep bringing it up when referring to MUR?? You just explained why your previous replies about the randle cycle don't make sense!

Are you using ChatGPT? Why did you argue in Favor of me?

If you're going by the literal definition then yes it does mean animal based lol

No. Carnivore means meat specifically, not animal based. In that case vegetarians could technically be carnivore if they primarily consume dairy, eggs etc. ( non meat animal products) Still semantics that you brought up but I'll reply, why not.

Test it out for what? In no cases it's gonna work for max MUR

As I said, that's not needed for everyone. Strawman.

So 1% of the people ? lol whats ur point

That's your claim. You pulled this out of your ass.

Not a misunderstanding you're just trying to deflect jfl

It's a misunderstanding on your part. How am I trying to deflect anything when you misunderstand?

Do you want to keep going back and forth or do we agree to disagree? You clearly don't care about how many people had cancer on carnivore and you disagree with the correlation =/= causation part.

 

[crazyguy]

@Ogionth @IraniancelV2 you two should do a public live debate on discord

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Science doesnt operate on proof

So you agree you don't have proof? Then we agree.

Your processed and cooked meat argument has been answered alot of times now lol, because it's about heme iron not about the meat, whether or not it's cooked or there were plants in the diet doesn't make a difference

Your own study says the mechanism is not know. Besides, acting like it doesn't matter if the meat is healthy or not is just ridiculous. Acting like other variables don't matter significantly is laughable. I can't take you serious, holding onto your last straw of cope.

it's embarrassing how you're repeating this over and over

4th time or so now?

You repeat yourself, so I repeat myself. Do you think I'm gonna make a new argument for your same argument over and over?

No? The correlation study was on humans

There was a part where they used mice. I also acknowledged it's not only done on mice, but it does go to show how ridicilous your point is.

Reminder he is dodging a discord debate, because he thinks I could find his country from his accent and that could lead to doxxing him. Holy mental gymnastics, you're not wanted by interpol.

 

[Deleted member 208062]

@Ogionth @IraniancelV2 you two should do a public live debate on discord

Reminder he is dodging a discord debate, because he thinks I could find his country from his accent and that could lead to doxxing him. Holy mental gymnastics, you're not wanted by interpol.

 

[Ogionth]

Literally cope. You said I can't debunk mer, which is clearly an argument as to why you are better off in this debate. I then countered with the fact that you won't explain it to me. Calling me uneducated instead of agreeing, you were tying to deceive me or others who read this thread into thinking I can't argue against that point of yours.

Obviously you cant argue, the fact that u didnt even know about MeR to begin with WHILE advocating for a 90% carnivore is heinous lol

JFL, "I ignored your entire thread but you haven't responded to all my points I keep repeating yet". No argument, you just said keto bad in the last line here, nice. You make replies here to deflect my points too, but you keep repeating yourself. It's clearly not working.

Where? I only repeat myself when you repeat an argument,

Only after I asked you multiple times, as I said earlier. You are just spouting out a bunch of non sense now.

If you dont have eyes, thats on u

Exactly, so why do you keep bringing it up when referring to MUR?? You just explained why your previous replies about the randle cycle don't make sense!

Are you using ChatGPT? Why did you argue in Favor of me?

I don't think you understand what I said, it's not in your favor.

I just said that "carbs are necessary" and experimenting on keto is useless because in no case will keto suffice for max MUR because of the slow oxidation of fat relative to glucose.

No. Carnivore means meat specifically, not animal based. In that case vegetarians could technically be carnivore if they primarily consume dairy, eggs etc. ( non meat animal products) Still semantics that you brought up but I'll reply, why not.

Lol what? you make your own definitions that contradict the general consensus in dictionaries and then argue by it as if it's a word of the bible

are u okay bud?

As I said, that's not needed for everyone. Strawman.

IT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR ANYONE AT ALL, SO WHY EVEN MENTION IT LOL?

wheres the strawman? i never claimed that u said it was for everyone, but that u mentioned that some could try it

fallacy fallacy bro dude just learnt these terms

That's your claim. You pulled this out of your ass.

it's even lower, you're unironically arguing that two people in a 50 member senior highschool class are jacked enough to NEVER require more muscle for aesthetics anymore dumass?

It's a misunderstanding on your part. How am I trying to deflect anything when you misunderstand?

It's not a misunderstanding, You literally wrote keto in the thread when it's not gonna suffice max MUR FOR ANYONE

Do you want to keep going back and forth or do we agree to disagree? You clearly don't care about how many people had cancer on carnivore and you disagree with the correlation =/= causation part.

im gonna keep going back and forth if u are gonna repeat your arguments, and not answer anything lol

 

[Ogionth]

@Ogionth @IraniancelV2 you two should do a public live debate on discord

I tell everyone to have a read of our argument and you'll know easily whos in the right and whos in the wrong

 

[Deleted member 208062]

I tell everyone to have a read of our argument and you'll know easily whos in the right and whos in the wrong

Exactly. You can't even do anything else but link correlation studies. Did not even address my thread. I'm making fun of you right now, and you're still serious.
There is no arguing when you don't address my original arguments.

 

[Ogionth]

So you agree you don't have proof? Then we agree.

no one has proof in science, what science works by is evidence and i provided evidence.

u dont even know what science works by, science doesnt claim to provide proof

Your own study says the mechanism is not know. Besides, acting like it doesn't matter if the meat is healthy or not is just ridiculous. Acting like other variables don't matter significantly is laughable. I can't take you serious, holding onto your last straw of cope.

theres a difference between the entire mechanism being not known and there being a plausible mechanistic causal evidence which i did provide and also provided studies for it

i also provided miltiple examples from history where plausible mechanistic evidence and significant positive correlation later lead into full discovery

You repeat yourself, so I repeat myself. Do you think I'm gonna make a new argument for your same argument over and over?

Obviously since im refuting your arguments lol

There was a part where they used mice. I also acknowledged it's not only done on mice, but it does go to show how ridicilous your point is.

Here you go, the only study that was done on mice but this time on humans.

Reminder he is dodging a discord debate, because he thinks I could find his country from his accent and that could lead to doxxing him. Holy mental gymnastics, you're not wanted by interpol.

Obviously, im not dumb enough to sabotage myself

Regardless why do u even need a private discord debate when u are over here not being able to answer a single one of the point lol

 

[Ogionth]

Exactly. You can't even do anything else but link correlation studies. Did not even address my thread. I'm making fun of you right now, and you're still serious.

I'm serious because I'm sincere in providing the truth to the public.

If you jester, that's on you, I only care about the truth and you care about winning.

Unfortunately you've been losing both

There is no arguing when you don't address my original arguments.

There is no argument lol, your arguments would have to refute mine before even considering, advocating for 90% carnivore yet doesn't even know MeR and has failed to address all the points