@Ogionth Is scared to enter this thread and argue against my points. He knows he can't, so he's just wasting my time with arguments I already addressed, while not deboonking mine.
Lol, anyone that reads the argument on the other thread will know show massively stupid you are.
looksmax.org
The irony. I addressed all of your arguments either here or in the conversation, except MeR because you won't type it out. I literally said you can eat carbs and be a carnivore at the same time multiple times, yet you BLATANTLY ignore that. Now address all my arguments here, and if you want to bring your own counterargument, then also address my response if that arguments has already been made.Lol, anyone that reads the argument on the other thread will know show massively stupid you are.
You addressed none of the arguments
Can anyone link me to any personal anecdotes or studies on the longevity in consuming raw animal products?
I've been recommended by a couple users to add more meat into my diet, which i agree with. Another user on here told me how cooking the meat removes nutrients, so it's more efficient to eat it raw. I understand all of this but I was wondering if I could read more about it and see how it has...
For everyone
You have not aggressed even one of the arguments.
Fruits* maybe some starch
looksmax.org
No logical reasoning. I made around 10 posts about epidemiology with logical reasoning. This is not an argument but a baseless claim.
I did. Even some in this thread, which you DID. NOT. READ.
I told you to go here multple times, but you keep bringing up arguments I already wrote pages about in this thread.
Fruits are plants too
Logical reasoning in question :
Why would I come here if the argument had already started?I told you to go here multple times, but you keep bringing up arguments I already wrote pages about in this thread.
Maybe because you wrote a whole lot of slop without getting to the actual point?
No, fruits are the structure of a plant that contains seed. Vegetables are the plant itself. Besides, I actively distinguished between the two.
No proven mechanism. Yes, I deny that correlation between modern humans eating processed, cooked meat in a modern unhealthy diet means you shouldn't eat raw, unprocessed meat. Carbohydrates are also linked to diabetes. So we should stop eating carbohydrates and meat now? Every food is related to some type of illness. Tell me, what should we eat? Show me one study that proofs raw meat from a healthy animal causes cancer. You can't.
Searching for it doesn't come up with anything related to this. I asked you multiple times just write out the abbreviation, which you refuse. HOW do you have the audacity to claim I'm refusing to address it, when you don't tell me what this means.
No, you lack reading comprehension. I said you should test out ketosis for a few weeks, as it takes a few weeks to settle in.
Show me proof healthy (grass fed, enough space, no medication) raw meat causes disease. It's physically impossible to get disease from a healthy animal.
So I don't have to repeat myself. Over and over and over again. It literally took more than 5 reminders for you until you acknowledged I don't advocate for a 100% only meat diet.
Calling my entire thread based on studies (actually scientific, not just correlation) and logical reasoning "slop" is unfortunately not an argument.
Fruits are plants.
N-nitroso formation is proven, just because the entire mechanism is not proven doesn't mean there's no plausible mechanistic evidence
Except that the studies were on heme iron.
Excessive intake
"Proof"
If you're uneducated that's not my fault.Searching for it doesn't come up with anything related to this. I asked you multiple times just write out the abbreviation, which you refuse. HOW do you have the audacity to claim I'm refusing to address it, when you don't tell me what this means.
So? why should you test out when it is already scientifically confirmed that u cant hit max MUR without intake of carbs
"Show me proof that we currently live in 30000 with enough technology to make all that happen"Show me proof healthy (grass fed, enough space, no medication) raw meat causes disease. It's physically impossible to get disease from a healthy animal.
Except that you didnt logically answer anything
No because you haven't answered any of my points and you dont know shit about science because u just tried to deny a study despite plausible mechanistic evidence and significant positive correlation.
They just aren't. They are the part of a plant that contains the seeds.
use a voice changer
+ YOU just fucking dnr'ed two of my responses in the other thread that provided answers for whatever you asked and you're asking to migrate here.Fruits are plants.
Tomatoes are plants.
N-nitroso formation is proven, just because the entire mechanism is not proven doesn't mean there's no plausible mechanistic evidence
Except that the studies were on heme iron.
Excessive intake
And you do advocate of excessive intake of meat lol
"Proof"
science doesnt provide proof, it provides evidence.
and as for evidence, i already stated a significant positive correlation + plausible mechanistic evidence
and even provided instances in historyto prove that the study still applies
If you're uneducated that's not my fault.
Search Methionine restriction and Longevity on pubmed and it surely will come up
So? why should you test out when it is already scientifically confirmed that u cant hit max MUR without intake of carbs
"Show me proof that we currently live in 30000 with enough technology to make all that happen"
Retard + they still contain microbes but i guess your ideal world even excludes that somehow
Except that you didnt logically answer anything
1..MUR (agreed with me)
2..Foodbourne diseases (agreed that it has)
3. MeR (has no idea what it is)
4. Cancer risk etc (tries to deny it but cant)
Embarrassing
I will respond, but I prefer a live debate.
Tomatoes are fruits.
Idk how to use one correctly + you can know one's country etc by their voice and im not tryna dox myself, or connect this forum in any way to my real lifeuse a voice changer
You respond and stop making 10 replies
You ignored my entire thread anyway too, don't act as if I'm the one ignoring here. As I said, I will respond, or do I have to respond within 5 minutes, LOL.
You ignored my entire thread and all my responses to your arguments. When I respond you just say; LOL you deny my argument!! Emberassing! "You literally agree with me!" Acting as if I back paddled, when my position was clear from the start, you were just too stupid to read.Idk how to use one correctly + you can know one's country etc by their voice and im not tryna dox myself, or connect this forum in any way to my real life
And regardless, a live debate or an oral one doesn't matter or a textual because you literally failed to reply to any of my arguments and you dont even know what MeR is
Stop making so many replies and address the pointYou ignored my entire thread anyway too, don't act as if I'm the one ignoring here. As I said, I will respond, or do I have to respond within 5 minutes, LOL.
I can take my time.
Not dodging, blatantly denying.
Because majority of your thread is slop, I prefer actual points.
You didn't respond to any of them logically and we all saw that.
How is it back paddling when you literally agreed on the carb point partially but was wrong about the "just go to ketosis for a few weeks and then see bro""You literally agree with me!" Acting as if I back paddled, when my position was clear from the start, you were just too stupid to read.
You do realize mods have your IP anyway and know what country you're from? Okay I will address your arguments now. But then you will have to address mine, because you ignored my entire thread. Now give me some time
Alright, so you just call my thread slop and DNR it, but then expect me to refute your arguments? You even DNR my responses.
Except that they wont leak it
Your arguments against exactly what?
Make sure to not deflect again from each point.because you ignored my entire thread. Now give me some time
Because there's no point in your thread about
I didnt dnr any of your responses on that thread and told you to continue there but you were so fixated on coming here that you probably missed my replies to those.
Against not eating mostly meat (carnivore). My entire thread, which I linked 10 times. Also, you ignore most of my points. This isn't going anywhere, you obviously don't want to admit the truth. Can you please answer my question how much meat/fruit/vegetables/dairy we should eat in % (roughly) while I respodn to your original takes that you want me to address? Thank you
Well what exactly do u mean because thats what we are doing, my arguments are against your 70% meat and 20% more carnivore (if u include dairy) so total 90?
I didnt ignore a single of ur point on that thread, stop lying so blatantly lol
I answered this in the original thread.
You still didn't explain what mer is after I asked you multiple times. I think it took 3 times questioning until you asked. Saying "uneducated, not my fault" is just not an argument, ad hominem. It's quite easy to jsut tell me the first time I ask. And then you also act as if I purposefully ignore your point, which isn't true. You still didn't answer my 3 questions as to why you act like I back paddle on fruits, when that was my original position anyway. You just did not read my thread for way too long, which makes you lose all your credibility.
An "ad hominem" is when the insult is used as an argument to dismiss something
it's a long topic, you need to read it on ur own
it's true you ignored alot of my points on that thread
Why did I say you backpaddled? I just said we agreed
i didnt read those because those are not necessarily against me, my position currently is against 90% carnivore thats it
i answered it that experimenting on a few weeks of keto, it still will NOT suffice for max MUR in most cases
Arguing "tomatoes are plants" is just semantic cope. Nobody is denying tomatoes grow on plantsFruits are plants.
Tomatoes are plants.
N-nitroso formation is proven, just because the entire mechanism is not proven doesn't mean there's no plausible mechanistic evidence
Except that the studies were on heme iron.
Excessive intake
And you do advocate of excessive intake of meat lol
"Proof"
science doesnt provide proof, it provides evidence.
and as for evidence, i already stated a significant positive correlation + plausible mechanistic evidence
and even provided instances in historyto prove that the study still applies
If you're uneducated that's not my fault.
Search Methionine restriction and Longevity on pubmed and it surely will come up
So? why should you test out when it is already scientifically confirmed that u cant hit max MUR without intake of carbs
"Show me proof that we currently live in 30000 with enough technology to make all that happen"
Retard + they still contain microbes but i guess your ideal world even excludes that somehow
Except that you didnt logically answer anything
1..MUR (agreed with me)
2..Foodbourne diseases (agreed that it has)
3. MeR (has no idea what it is)
4. Cancer risk etc (tries to deny it but cant)
Embarrassing
, the distinction was about plant parts fruit vs. leaves/stalk That has zero bearing on whether the diet I advocate for is superior. You're dodging.
Wat u are arguing is semantic cope too.Arguing "tomatoes are plants" is just semantic cope. Nobody is denying tomatoes grow on plants
You're embarrassing
except that they found a significant correlation with HEME IRON SPECIFICALLY.
No it is carcionigenity lol, the heme iron doesn't come from pathogens.
Wrong, the cancer risk is the same
Science doesnt operate on proof, it operates on evidence.
study says otherwise
Wrong
No you did lol, you did advise to go Keto for a few weeks as if that would work for anybody
Indeed you areEmbarrassing
Tbh i can't debunk carnivore because it really works, just not better than vegan or just eating raw food
You're wrong about the ad hominem. I asked you what MER is, and you didn't answer. Then when I pressed for clarification, you called me uneducated. That's exactly using an insult to avoid answering the question. Stop trying to act like it's something else.
Says who? Maybe don't use abbreviations if you don't care to just type one word.
You ignored my entire thread to begin with. Stop trying to twist it as if you are addressing all my arguments. I am catching up, you are still not addressing all arguments in my original thread.
It does seem like it, because you bring it up right before saying it would be embarrassing.
I did now, but you purposefully did not explain it at first.
1: Not everyone needs max MUR all the time, some already built a decent physique, for example.
Stop using terms you dont know the meaning of
Carnivore does not mean animal based, it means meat. But that's besides the point, I get what you mean. Let me read up on what you recommend in % in a minute
Takes weeks until ketosis fully sets in, so it's worth to try and test it out. Just a misunderstanding on your part, but that can happen in a heated debate.
LOL, no logical reasoning.
Clearly not, as plants are toxic and not hydrating. I showed proof in my thread, but you DNR, JFL.
I am responding right now. You clearly ignored all my points, my entire thread even. But now you just say "you ignore my points" in response. What point did I ignore? I will answer. But now you answer my thread please.
an insult to avoid question is not an adhominem,
someone learned a new wordMaybe know most of the things about the diet you're propagating instead of being a retard?
I already did lol, you have no argument against my position against your majority carnivore specifically
If you're interpreting it that way, thats on u
It's embarrassing because you thought experimenting with keto could be enough for some people
'Purposefully' no i did explain it u just didnt read it
So 1% of the people ? lol whats ur point
burning carbs OR fats for energy has nothing to do with max MUR as fat oxidation occurs much slower than glucose
If you're going by the literal definition then yes it does mean animal based lol
Not a misunderstanding you're just trying to deflect jfl
"I can't prove raw meat causes cancer, but there is correlation between processed meat and cancer in modern diets and mice".
Cope. How about you debunk my thread instead of linking correlation studies? No arguments addressed. We can keep going, but we won't come to a conclusion. You are just stuck at correlation with processed meat without controlled variables.You just didnt read it, dude just put it into chat gpt
You can not debunk carnivore
The vast majority of this forum consists of peptide copers who are also addicted to goyslop, but then seriously suggest the natural human diet is inferior to the unnatural dysgenic modern diet.
Before you bombard me with logical fallacies, read my statement at the bottom. Failing to do so means you concede the argument!
Just think from a logical perspective: Do you really think the diet humans naturally adapted to eat for over 100.000 years is unhealthier than the modern diet causing malocclusion, narrow palates, crooked teeth and many more health problems?
The last ice age was about 110.000-10.000 years ago. 99% of plants you consume would not have been available at this time. Keep in mind most plants we consume don't exist in nature. Research supporting this:
Chapter 1:
Micro nutrients, fiber, and dangers of consuming plants.
Meat has every single essential nutrient, without any anti nutrients or poisonous plant chemicals. Plants use these anti nutrientsto defend them selves from being eaten. Humans are not adapted to eat plants. Fiber is useless, it can't be digested by the human body and leads to constipation and bloat.
"But it's good to treat constipation!"
Yet this actual scientific study isolating variables found the exact opposite:
"In our recent study, patients who followed a diet with no or less dietary fiber intake showed a significant improvement, not just in their constipation, but also in their bloatedness. Patients who completely stopped consuming dietary fiber no longer suffered from abdominal bloatedness and pain"
"But plants are healthy and not poisonous, what are you talking about? They are full of essential vitamins!
"But healthy antioxidants bro!
Goitrogens in broccoli can negatively impact brain development:
Role of goitrogens in iodine deficiency disorders & brain development - PubMed
Although iodine deficiency has primarily been implicated in the causation of goitre, the significant role played by food goitrogens in the etiology of iodine deficiency disorder (IDD) is being increasingly recognized. Impaired brain development is the major cause of concern in IDD. Detailed...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Lectins inhibit nutrient absorption, thus leading to nutrient deficiencies:
Lectins • The Nutrition Source
Lectins, or hemagglutinins, are an “anti-nutrient” that have received much attention due to popular media and fad diet books citing lectins as a major causenutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu
Lectins in plants may contribute to autoimmune diseases:
From inflammation to immune regulation: The dual nature of dietary lectins in health and disease
Beans, vegetables, fruits, and mushrooms offer a delightful array of fragrances and an abundance of nutrients, including essential vitamins, minerals,…www.sciencedirect.com
Trypsin inhibitors in soybeans and legumes can reduce protein digestibility by up to 50% and protein quality by up to 100%:
Impact of antinutritional factors in food proteins on the digestibility of protein and the bioavailability of amino acids and on protein quality - PubMed
Dietary antinutritional factors have been reported to adversely affect the digestibility of protein, bioavailability of amino acids and protein quality of foods. Published data on these negative effects of major dietary antinutritional factors are summarized in this manuscript. Digestibility and...
Estrogenic activity of your "healthy" antioxidants:
Risks and safety of polyphenol consumption - PubMed
This article gives an overview of the potential hazards of polyphenol consumption, as reported during the round-table discussion at the 1st International Conference on Polyphenols and Health, held in Vichy, France, November 2003. Adverse effects of polyphenols have been evaluated primarily in...
80% of kidney stones are caused by oxalates:
Strategies for preventing calcium oxalate stones - PMC
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
75% of calcium in spinach is not bioavailable due to oxalates:
Conversion of beta-carotene to vitamin A is inefficient:
The challenge to reach nutritional adequacy for vitamin A: β-carotene bioavailability and conversion—evidence in humans
β-Carotene is an important dietary source of vitamin A for humans. However, the bioavailability and vitamin A equivalency of β-carotene are highly var…
ALA (Plant-Based Omega-3) conversion to DHA is below 5%:
Efficiency of conversion of alpha-linolenic acid to long chain n-3 fatty acids in man - PubMed
Alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3) is the major n-3 (omega 3) fatty acid in the human diet. It is derived mainly from terrestrial plant consumption and it has long been thought that its major biochemical role is as the principal precursor for long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids, of which...
Plant proteins have lower bioavailability and contain anti-nutrients that hinder nutrient absorption:
Protein Nutrition: Understanding Structure, Digestibility, and Bioavailability for Optimal Health - PMC
This review discusses different protein sources and their role in human nutrition, focusing on their structure, digestibility, and bioavailability. Plant-based proteins, such as those found in legumes, nuts, and seeds, may contain anti-nutritional ...
Plants are missing 15 micro nutrients that are all found in meat. Some plants can contain insufficient trace amounts of a few of these nutrients, often due to bacteria or similar sources. But generally, they lack these 15 essential micro nutrients in sufficient quantities needed for optimal health and development.
Chapter 2: Gluconeogenesis, the natural energy source
Watch this video on the Randle cycle, no need to type it out and make this thread longer than it already is. He explains it well:
Basically: Your body creates enough carbs to thrive on its own trough gluconeogenesis. Humans have lived on gluconeogenesis for decamillennia. Gymcels read the statement below.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle
Eating the natural carnivore diet will prevent cancer and diabetes, as your blood glucose level won't be chronically elevated:
"But I go to the gym, I need carbs!"
You don't need to do 5 sets of 20 of squats, just do low volume high intensity. If you still feel the need for carbs after fixing your sleep schedule and a few weeks of ketosis, go ahead and eat some fruit for carbs. You don't need to do everything perfect or 100% similar to our ancestors. My point is, that even imitating the most natural diet as close as possible for your life circumstances is superior to goyslop.
Common logical fallacies: "Raw meat won't ascend you!"
"Bro listens to Goatis, what a retard!"
Go after the logical reasoning and actual arguments if you disagree. Trying to use ad hominem or a straw man won't work here. Be better. Let's see how many "people" still bring make use of these.
Of course, there is much more to this, but I think this is a great start.
you lost in semantics and logic both, dont embarrass yourself
All carbs come from plant sources.
Lol no one said that? But theres mechanistic plausible CAUSAL evidence too
No one ignored any of ur points on that thread unless u ran here making 10.replies
Answer what exactly about your threadBut now you just say "you ignore my points" in response. What point did I ignore? I will answer. But now you answer my thread please.
1. that doesnt make it invalid, thw effects of smoking were also tested on mice first
"You don't need causal exact evidence"
But we got mechanistic evidence suggesting correlation in random diets including meat, some even in mice.
M maybe because you've been repeating the same points for like 10 times nowI reply:
You say nonsense.
Good argument!
You can not debunk carnivore
The vast majority of this forum consists of peptide copers who are also addicted to goyslop, but then seriously suggest the natural human diet is inferior to the unnatural dysgenic modern diet.
Before you bombard me with logical fallacies, read my statement at the bottom. Failing to do so means you concede the argument!
Just think from a logical perspective: Do you really think the diet humans naturally adapted to eat for over 100.000 years is unhealthier than the modern diet causing malocclusion, narrow palates, crooked teeth and many more health problems?
The last ice age was about 110.000-10.000 years ago. 99% of plants you consume would not have been available at this time. Keep in mind most plants we consume don't exist in nature. Research supporting this:
Chapter 1:
Micro nutrients, fiber, and dangers of consuming plants.
Meat has every single essential nutrient, without any anti nutrients or poisonous plant chemicals. Plants use these anti nutrientsto defend them selves from being eaten. Humans are not adapted to eat plants. Fiber is useless, it can't be digested by the human body and leads to constipation and bloat.
"But it's good to treat constipation!"
Yet this actual scientific study isolating variables found the exact opposite:
"In our recent study, patients who followed a diet with no or less dietary fiber intake showed a significant improvement, not just in their constipation, but also in their bloatedness. Patients who completely stopped consuming dietary fiber no longer suffered from abdominal bloatedness and pain"
"But plants are healthy and not poisonous, what are you talking about? They are full of essential vitamins!
"But healthy antioxidants bro!
Goitrogens in broccoli can negatively impact brain development:
Role of goitrogens in iodine deficiency disorders & brain development - PubMed
Although iodine deficiency has primarily been implicated in the causation of goitre, the significant role played by food goitrogens in the etiology of iodine deficiency disorder (IDD) is being increasingly recognized. Impaired brain development is the major cause of concern in IDD. Detailed...
Lectins inhibit nutrient absorption, thus leading to nutrient deficiencies:
Lectins • The Nutrition Source
Lectins, or hemagglutinins, are an “anti-nutrient” that have received much attention due to popular media and fad diet books citing lectins as a major cause
Lectins in plants may contribute to autoimmune diseases:
From inflammation to immune regulation: The dual nature of dietary lectins in health and disease
Beans, vegetables, fruits, and mushrooms offer a delightful array of fragrances and an abundance of nutrients, including essential vitamins, minerals,…
Trypsin inhibitors in soybeans and legumes can reduce protein digestibility by up to 50% and protein quality by up to 100%:
Impact of antinutritional factors in food proteins on the digestibility of protein and the bioavailability of amino acids and on protein quality - PubMed
Dietary antinutritional factors have been reported to adversely affect the digestibility of protein, bioavailability of amino acids and protein quality of foods. Published data on these negative effects of major dietary antinutritional factors are summarized in this manuscript. Digestibility and...
Estrogenic activity of your "healthy" antioxidants:
Risks and safety of polyphenol consumption - PubMed
This article gives an overview of the potential hazards of polyphenol consumption, as reported during the round-table discussion at the 1st International Conference on Polyphenols and Health, held in Vichy, France, November 2003. Adverse effects of polyphenols have been evaluated primarily in...
80% of kidney stones are caused by oxalates:
Strategies for preventing calcium oxalate stones - PMC
75% of calcium in spinach is not bioavailable due to oxalates:
Conversion of beta-carotene to vitamin A is inefficient:
The challenge to reach nutritional adequacy for vitamin A: β-carotene bioavailability and conversion—evidence in humans
β-Carotene is an important dietary source of vitamin A for humans. However, the bioavailability and vitamin A equivalency of β-carotene are highly var…
ALA (Plant-Based Omega-3) conversion to DHA is below 5%:
Efficiency of conversion of alpha-linolenic acid to long chain n-3 fatty acids in man - PubMed
Alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3) is the major n-3 (omega 3) fatty acid in the human diet. It is derived mainly from terrestrial plant consumption and it has long been thought that its major biochemical role is as the principal precursor for long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids, of which...
Plant proteins have lower bioavailability and contain anti-nutrients that hinder nutrient absorption:
Protein Nutrition: Understanding Structure, Digestibility, and Bioavailability for Optimal Health - PMC
This review discusses different protein sources and their role in human nutrition, focusing on their structure, digestibility, and bioavailability. Plant-based proteins, such as those found in legumes, nuts, and seeds, may contain anti-nutritional ...
Plants are missing 15 micro nutrients that are all found in meat. Some plants can contain insufficient trace amounts of a few of these nutrients, often due to bacteria or similar sources. But generally, they lack these 15 essential micro nutrients in sufficient quantities needed for optimal health and development.
Chapter 2: Gluconeogenesis, the natural energy source
Watch this video on the Randle cycle, no need to type it out and make this thread longer than it already is. He explains it well:
Basically: Your body creates enough carbs to thrive on its own trough gluconeogenesis. Humans have lived on gluconeogenesis for decamillennia. Gymcels read the statement below.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle
Eating the natural carnivore diet will prevent cancer and diabetes, as your blood glucose level won't be chronically elevated:
"But I go to the gym, I need carbs!"
You don't need to do 5 sets of 20 of squats, just do low volume high intensity. If you still feel the need for carbs after fixing your sleep schedule and a few weeks of ketosis, go ahead and eat some fruit for carbs. You don't need to do everything perfect or 100% similar to our ancestors. My point is, that even imitating the most natural diet as close as possible for your life circumstances is superior to goyslop.
Common logical fallacies: "Raw meat won't ascend you!"
"Bro listens to Goatis, what a retard!"
Go after the logical reasoning and actual arguments if you disagree. Trying to use ad hominem or a straw man won't work here. Be better. Let's see how many "people" still bring make use of these.
Of course, there is much more to this, but I think this is a great start.
Science doesnt operate on proof
No? The correlation study was on humans
Your processed and cooked meat argument has been answered alot of times now lol, because it's about heme iron not about the meat, whether or not it's cooked or there were plants in the diet doesn't make a difference
Literally cope. You said I can't debunk mer, which is clearly an argument as to why you are better off in this debate. I then countered with the fact that you won't explain it to me. Calling me uneducated instead of agreeing, you were tying to deceive me or others who read this thread into thinking I can't argue against that point of yours.an insult to avoid question is not an adhominem,
an ad hominem is an insult used for undermining the other person's argument.
and u didnt show any argument at that point so it cant be an adhominem, it was simply an insult
dont use words u dont know the meaning of
fallacy fallacy
JFL, "I ignored your entire thread but you haven't responded to all my points I keep repeating yet". No argument, you just said keto bad in the last line here, nice. You make replies here to deflect my points too, but you keep repeating yourself. It's clearly not working.
Only after I asked you multiple times, as I said earlier. You are just spouting out a bunch of non sense now.
Exactly, so why do you keep bringing it up when referring to MUR?? You just explained why your previous replies about the randle cycle don't make sense!
No. Carnivore means meat specifically, not animal based. In that case vegetarians could technically be carnivore if they primarily consume dairy, eggs etc. ( non meat animal products) Still semantics that you brought up but I'll reply, why not.
As I said, that's not needed for everyone. Strawman.
It's a misunderstanding on your part. How am I trying to deflect anything when you misunderstand?
So you agree you don't have proof? Then we agree.
Your own study says the mechanism is not know. Besides, acting like it doesn't matter if the meat is healthy or not is just ridiculous. Acting like other variables don't matter significantly is laughable. I can't take you serious, holding onto your last straw of cope.
You repeat yourself, so I repeat myself. Do you think I'm gonna make a new argument for your same argument over and over?
There was a part where they used mice. I also acknowledged it's not only done on mice, but it does go to show how ridicilous your point is.
Reminder he is dodging a discord debate, because he thinks I could find his country from his accent and that could lead to doxxing him. Holy mental gymnastics, you're not wanted by interpol.
Obviously you cant argue, the fact that u didnt even know about MeR to begin with WHILE advocating for a 90% carnivore is heinous lol
Where? I only repeat myself when you repeat an argument,
If you dont have eyes, thats on u
I don't think you understand what I said, it's not in your favor.Exactly, so why do you keep bringing it up when referring to MUR?? You just explained why your previous replies about the randle cycle don't make sense!
Are you using ChatGPT? Why did you argue in Favor of me?
Lol what? you make your own definitions that contradict the general consensus in dictionaries and then argue by it as if it's a word of the bible
IT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR ANYONE AT ALL, SO WHY EVEN MENTION IT LOL?
it's even lower, you're unironically arguing that two people in a 50 member senior highschool class are jacked enough to NEVER require more muscle for aesthetics anymore dumass?That's your claim. You pulled this out of your ass.
It's not a misunderstanding, You literally wrote keto in the thread when it's not gonna suffice max MUR FOR ANYONE
im gonna keep going back and forth if u are gonna repeat your arguments, and not answer anything lol
I tell everyone to have a read of our argument and you'll know easily whos in the right and whos in the wrong
Exactly. You can't even do anything else but link correlation studies. Did not even address my thread. I'm making fun of you right now, and you're still serious.
no one has proof in science, what science works by is evidence and i provided evidence.
theres a difference between the entire mechanism being not known and there being a plausible mechanistic causal evidence which i did provide and also provided studies for it
Obviously since im refuting your arguments lol
Obviously, im not dumb enough to sabotage myselfReminder he is dodging a discord debate, because he thinks I could find his country from his accent and that could lead to doxxing him. Holy mental gymnastics, you're not wanted by interpol.
