Not sure if this applies, but how do you set up an orthodontic surgery or appointment, and how long does it take

[Dan0]

I've heard others tell me to get double jaw surgery or trimax surgery with CCW rotation, but how do you set an appotment up

 

[Assymetry]

You first need to get a referral from your ortho to a jaw surgeon, jaw surgeon sends case to insurance (If he deems djs necessary), then decomp (6-24 months), finalise surgery plan (usually a month before surgery), then surgery.

You won't get insurance bimax anytime soon if at all.
You need to have a small airway, malocclusions etc.

 

[Dan0]

You first need to get a referral from your ortho to a jaw surgeon, jaw surgeon sends case to insurance (If he deems djs necessary), then decomp (6-24 months), finalise surgery plan (usually a month before surgery), then surgery.

You won't get insurance bimax anytime soon if at all.
You need to have a small airway, malloclusions etc.

What are valid reasons for getting a referral? Could facial recessions be a valid reason (if you need photos, I can provide), especially if it's due to mouth breathing? How does asking for trimax surgery differ from asking for double jaw surgery, and how do you ask for counterclockwise rotation, or is it just recommended?

 

[Assymetry]

What are valid reasons for getting a referral? Could facial recessions be a valid reason (if you need photos, I can provide), especially if it's due to mouth breathing? How does asking for trimax surgery differ from asking for double jaw surgery, and how do you ask for counterclockwise rotation, or is it just recommended?

They will look at your cbct, your intra oral scan etc. You probably already have intra-oral scans if you ever had braces. Its not really up to you what they do with your jaw with an insured bimax, they might show you a few variations with different outcomes.

You need to have a serious enough malocclusion, aesthetic reasons will be rejected immediately.

 

[Dan0]

They will look at your cbct, your intra oral scan etc. You probably already have intra-oral scans if you ever had braces. Its not really up to you what they do with your jaw with an insured bimax, they might show you a few variations with different outcomes.

You need to have a serious enough malocclusion, aesthetic reasons will be rejected immediately.

I haven't gotten braces before, nor did I get intra-oral scans. I'm not sure if I have any malocclusion issues, but I do suffer from severe mouth breathing recessions (from childhood), which I heard orthodontics could fix, but not sure if it's a valid

 

[Assymetry]

I haven't gotten braces before, nor did I get intra-oral scans. I'm not sure if I have any malocclusion issues, but I do suffer from severe mouth breathing recessions (from childhood), which I heard orthodontics could fix, but not sure if it's a valid

Orthodontics only camouflage the teeth, do your lips touch? You need to get a cbct first. You aren't gonna get a trimax insured just because some kid in the tiktok comments recommended it.

 

[Dan0]

Orthodontics only camouflage the teeth, do your lips touch? You need to get a cbct first. You aren't gonna get a trimax insured just because some kid in the tiktok comments recommended it.

Lips touching? Sorry, but could you expand on that?

 

[Assymetry]

Lips touching? Sorry, but could you expand on that?

if your mandible is severely recessed (like you said) and you havent had camouflage braces yet, your lips arent touching. Or at least look weird.

 

[Dan0]

if your mandible is severely recessed (like you said) and you havent had camouflage braces yet, your lips arent touching. Or at least look weird.

I feel like I can’t really trust my own judgment but this is what it looks like

 

[Assymetry]

I feel like I can’t really trust my own judgment but this is what it looks like View attachment 5542312

I'd say just make an appointment with an ortho. Don't get your hopes up too much tho.

 

[Dan0]

I'd say just make an appointment with an ortho. Don't get your hopes up too much tho.

ok but does my age matter? I'm 19 as of right now

 

[Assymetry]

ok but does my age matter? I'm 19 as of right now

That is old enough.

 

[Dan0]

That is old enough.

Is it better to wait until 21 to get surgery, or at least until that's when the bones fully develop?

 

[Assymetry]

Is it better to wait until 21 to get surgery, or at least until that's when the bones fully develop?

Bro, you won't be getting surgery in a month, it will probably take at least a year from now, best case scenario. You havent even seen an ortho yet. Expect it to take at least 2 years from now till surgery.

 

[Dan0]

Bro, you won't be getting surgery in a month, it will probably take at least a year from now, best case scenario. You havent even seen an ortho yet. Expect it to take at least 2 years from now till surgery.

Ok but if I’m not eligible for ortho what else could I do? As my side profile is still bad

 

[Assymetry]

Ok but if I’m not eligible for ortho what else could I do? As my side profile is still bad

Private bimax, make sure to save at least 40-50k

 

[Dan0]

Private bimax, make sure to save at least 40-50k

Oh so even if not eligible I can still get bimax ? If so could I add CCW rotation or no ? Also what country would you recommend ?

 

[Assymetry]

Oh so even if not eligible I can still get bimax ? If so could I add CCW rotation or no ? Also what country would you recommend ?

First save money and do extensive research, I am not the best person to ask about surgeons or countries. I will do all of my surgeries in Western Europe. You are getting way ahead of yourself.

 

[Dan0]

First save money and do extensive research, I am not the best person to ask about surgeons or countries. I will do all of my surgeries in Western Europe. You are getting way ahead of yourself.

Alright money first but what should I do for my recessed infras and mid face ? Seen in the photo ?

 

[Assymetry]

Alright money first but what should I do for my recessed infras and mid face ? Seen in the photo ?

Again, getting way ahead of yourself. I am in the process of infra-malars right now and first appointment till surgery probably takes a year (took 4 months from contact till first appointment)

 

[compost_]

I feel like I can’t really trust my own judgment but this is what it looks like View attachment 5542312

Process takes 2-3 years + to get jaw surgery

Don’t even look like bimax candidate to me

If u don’t have any functional issues jus get genio bimax won’t improve ur front at all n will barely help ur side not worth for aesthetics

 

[Dan0]

Process takes 2-3 years + to get jaw surgery

Don’t even look like bimax candidate to me

If u don’t have any functional issues jus get genio bimax won’t improve ur front at all n will barely help ur side not worth for aesthetics

What makes someone a bimax candidate ? Examples ?

 

[midfacedeficient]

Process takes 2-3 years + to get jaw surgery

Don’t even look like bimax candidate to me

If u don’t have any functional issues jus get genio bimax won’t improve ur front at all n will barely help ur side not worth for aesthetics

dudes mandible is like 2" long. whole face needs to be pulled a good bit forward imo

 

[compost_]

What makes someone a bimax candidate ? Examples ?

Skeletal deformity/discrepancy like extreme malocclusion retrognathic n sometimes prognathic but no that as much so

N then function too like tmj n airway

 

[Dan0]

dudes mandible is like 2" long. whole face needs to be pulled a good bit forward imo

So am I a candidate or no ?

 

[Dan0]

Skeletal deformity/discrepancy like extreme malocclusion retrognathic n sometimes prognathic but no that as much so

N then function too like tmj n airway

If you need any info I have unfortunately been chronic mouth breathing as child so I thought it would help ?

 

[compost_]

dudes mandible is like 2" long. whole face needs to be pulled a good bit forward imo

So am I a candidate or no ?

maybe if u have overbite can get bsso n genio but ur maxilla looks good ur Philtrum curve isnt smt would even consider touching

 

[Dan0]

maybe if u have overbite can get bsso n genio but ur maxilla looks good ur Philtrum curve isnt smt would even consider touching

Why does my face looks so sunken in then ?

 

[cannibaloid]

What makes someone a bimax candidate ? Examples ?

Malocclusions, TMJ, sleep apnea, small airway

 

[compost_]

Why does my face looks so sunken in then ?

Mainly ur under eyes I don’t think ur orbital vector is negative but the discoloration and lack of fat distributed in that area in combination w possible lack of bone projection is what I would say

But for ur lower third I think submental plane lift could also really help

 

[cannibaloid]

So am I a candidate or no ?

Can you atleast elaborate on wether or not you suffer from functional issues? We can’t tell ur eligibility based off of just looks alone. But it does look like your chin is severly recessed, and your top lip protrudes way beyond where it should be at, which may indicate general recession.

 

[Dan0]

Can you atleast elaborate on wether or not you suffer from functional issues? We can’t tell ur eligibility based off of just looks alone. But it does look like your chin is severly recessed, and your top lip protrudes way beyond how it should, which may indicate general recession.

what are some symptoms like I have a hard time breathing from my nose

 

[Dan0]

Mainly ur under eyes I don’t think ur orbital vector is negative but the discoloration and lack of fat distributed in that area in combination w possible lack of bone projection is what I would say

But for ur lower third I think submental plane lift could also really help

How would I go about fixing that ? If I couldn’t get bimax ?

 

[cannibaloid]

what are some symptoms like I have a hard time breathing from my nose

I just told you in a previous reply, find out yourself

 

[Dan0]

I just told you in a previous reply, find out yourself

I think I may have a small nasal airway (Which prob lead to me mouth breathing), and I may have an overjet or overbite. I don't have TMJ or sleep apnea tho

 

[cannibaloid]

I think I may have a small nasal airway (Which prob lead to me mouth breathing), and I may have an overjet or overbite. I don't have TMJ or sleep apnea tho

Download a snore app to see if you snore alot and have frequent pauses in breathing cus at first i also didn’t think i had sleep apnea until i did that.

 

[Dan0]

Download a snore app to see if you snore alot and have frequent pauses in breathing cus at first i also didn’t think i had sleep apnea until i did that.

Which app would you recommend or download ?

 

[midfacedeficient]

ur upper jaw is slightly below average, lower jaw is hella recessed. i personally would be looking in to some way to fix at least the lower jaw. what you think you "need" and what insurance thinks u "need" are rarely gunna line up

 

[Dan0]

ur upper jaw is slightly below average, lower jaw is hella recessed. i personally would be looking in to some way to fix at least the lower jaw. what you think you "need" and what insurance thinks u "need" are rarely gunna line up

Could I pay out of pocket or no ?

 

[midfacedeficient]

Could I pay out of pocket or no ?

im unfamiliar with your financial situation, but in turkey u could find djs surgeons for under 15k.

 

[Dan0]

im unfamiliar with your financial situation, but in turkey u could find djs surgeons for under 15k.

Is Turkey a good country for djs ?

 

[midfacedeficient]

Is Turkey a good country for djs ?

its a pretty popular destination

 

[Dan0]

its a pretty popular destination

Yea but is it good like people go there for hair transplants and stuff by DJs is a lot more serious