Official LL AMA from a double LL'er

[PubertyMaxxer]

If you stretch 45 min a day you're ahead of most people, stretching is boring af. If you get to 1.5 hours a day, your recovery will be easy.

How much muscle to have is unclear. I think having more is good because it will atrophy pretty quickly.

Do LL patients lose a lot of Bodyfat % during the Lenghtening and recovery period?

 

[Real]

What do you think of the Betzbone? (my current favorite)

Notes from video about Dr Betz Betzbone in Germany:
9cm in 3 months (1mm per day), then consolidation phase 9 months (then bone regrowth complete), after 2 years nails are removed
You are never in wheelchair, crutches from the start (only 2 hours after the procedure) -> it says in the video that the Betzbone is the only system in the world able to do that (vid from 2018)
No cutting of bands necessary
Only monthly X-rays (instead of weekly)
2 weeks in the hospital, then Patients can do rehab & lengthening in their home countries (or wherever?), 8 weeks physiotherapy
They do 150 LL’s yearly since more than 10 years, Doc is in LL more than 20 years
90% patients from overseas
They do Precice, Betzbone, iskd, fitbone; 90% of patients chose Betzbone



-> 5:50h explanation how the operation works

 

[Deleted member 14978]

Thanks for doing this. I am 19 years old and am considering getting LL as soon as I can afford it.

- Will I be able to do sports such as Surfing and scuba diving after 8cm of Femur growth? I am not expecting to be able to do marathons etc but I will still want to be able to do some sport.

- Why do you not advise going to a non-US doctor? I have seen many surgeons in Greece and Germany who are very experienced and charge around half the cost of US doctors

 

[deepweb1298]

Why are you so sceptical of cheap Turkish LL surgeons? They also have much experience yet cost a fraction of the big name brands like Paley or Betz

Also, thoughts on Dr Giotikas from Athens?

the cost is not the surgery. Its the post-op followup and PT sessions. The surgery itself is easy for their field but having a patient have like 50 sessions of PT adds up. Cheap surgeons wont give you a proper PT protocol

 

[sloopnoob]

My sitting height is 95 cm

what was your sitting height before skull modification?

 

[sloopnoob]

Why are you so sceptical of cheap Turkish LL surgeons

Reality is often not what it looks like. All the instagram pages you see is window dressing. Patients do not get enough care and often are botched. There was someone in cyborg4life's discord who was left disabled by Halil Baldu. People also complain of shoving cameras down their throats for their marketing. Do what they say or risk mistreatment, leave good reviews on google or miss your meals, pain killers and physiotherapy . Never go to any surgeon who is heavy on marketing.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Reality is often not what it looks like. All the instagram pages you see is window dressing. Patients do not get enough care and often are botched. There was someone in cyborg4life's discord who was left disabled by Halil Baldu. People also complain of shoving cameras down their throats for their marketing. Do what they say or risk mistreatment, leave good reviews on google or miss your meals, pain killers and physiotherapy . Never go to any surgeon who is heavy on marketing.
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What about Dr Yuksel Yurttas from Istanbul??

 

[sloopnoob]

What about Dr Yuksel Yurttas from Istanbul??

He is better than others in turkey. Here's someone who had surgery with him but I'd still say go to Paley, mahboubian, donghoon lee there's a reason they are worshipped. These surgeons have low to zero complication rate and you don't want to risk complications

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

He is better than others in turkey. Here's someone who had surgery with him but I'd still say go to Paley, mahboubian, donghoon lee there's a reason they are worshipped. These surgeons have low to zero complication rate and you don't want to risk complications

I don't have the money left for those expensive names tho. By then i would have spent it all on FACE surgeries

 

[sloopnoob]

I don't have the money left for those expensive names tho. By then i would have spent it all on FACE surgeries

Yuksel Yurttas is fine in that case.

 

[CristianT]

Reality is often not what it looks like. All the instagram pages you see is window dressing. Patients do not get enough care and often are botched. There was someone in cyborg4life's discord who was left disabled by Halil Baldu. People also complain of shoving cameras down their throats for their marketing. Do what they say or risk mistreatment, leave good reviews on google or miss your meals, pain killers and physiotherapy . Never go to any surgeon who is heavy on marketing.
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Yea, it's hard to believe these type of comments without actual pictures and more details.

Funny story, before I did my nose surgery I was reading similar comments about my surgeon and I still decided to make the rinoseptoplasty with him and I really like the result so yea.. However they also might be true so, it's hard to say though.

 

[sloopnoob]

Yea, it's hard to believe these type of comments without actual pictures and more details.

Funny story, before I did my nose surgery I was reading similar comments about my surgeon and I still decided to make the rinoseptoplasty with him and I really like the result so yea.. However they also might be true so, it's hard to say though.

Yes I'm not labelling any surgeon as bad or good. My point was do you want to take your chance and find out specially when your ability to move for your whole life might get affected or go with surgeons with low complication rate.

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

if stryde return, that means i have no longer be in wheelchair since it can bear the weight right?

Ya, but its return is indefinitely postponed.

So shit that Stryde got recalled. Being in a wheelchair for 4 months is honestly my personal hell.

East Asians typically have no problem with it. They sit in their beds playing video games/watching movies, studying, and stretching.

Thanks so much for this AMA, Legend

Why did you choose Delt-Implants instead of Clavicle lengthening?

Clavicle lengthening only gets you an inch I believe, and I don't want to put my body through yet more agony for something not quite as critical.

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

Do LL patients lose a lot of Bodyfat % during the Lenghtening and recovery period?

Only if you don't eat. I lost like 15 lbs at one point but now I'm nearly back to baseline.

What do you think of the Betzbone? (my current favorite)

Notes from video about Dr Betz Betzbone in Germany:
9cm in 3 months (1mm per day), then consolidation phase 9 months (then bone regrowth complete), after 2 years nails are removed
You are never in wheelchair, crutches from the start (only 2 hours after the procedure) -> it says in the video that the Betzbone is the only system in the world able to do that (vid from 2018)
No cutting of bands necessary
Only monthly X-rays (instead of weekly)
2 weeks in the hospital, then Patients can do rehab & lengthening in their home countries (or wherever?), 8 weeks physiotherapy
They do 150 LL’s yearly since more than 10 years, Doc is in LL more than 20 years
90% patients from overseas
They do Precice, Betzbone, iskd, fitbone; 90% of patients chose Betzbone



-> 5:50h explanation how the operation works

With Betzbone you have to "click", twist your broken leg in weird ways to make the rod expand. I'd rather be in a wheelchair and have painless lengthening than have to dread clicking every day.

Thanks for doing this. I am 19 years old and am considering getting LL as soon as I can afford it.

- Will I be able to do sports such as Surfing and scuba diving after 8cm of Femur growth? I am not expecting to be able to do marathons etc but I will still want to be able to do some sport.

- Why do you not advise going to a non-US doctor? I have seen many surgeons in Greece and Germany who are very experienced and charge around half the cost of US doctors

Yes you will be able to do those things though not as competitively.
For the 2nd question, I'm sure most of the time procedures in those places go fine. But both of those places have a few horror stories, whereas docs in the US pretty much have 0. It's up to you if the risk is worth it.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Clavicle lengthening only gets you an inch I believe, and I don't want to put my body through yet more agony for something not quite as critical.

Why do you chose deltoid implants when you could just Gymmaxx, potentially supplemented with TRT

 

[sloopnoob]

what was your sitting height before skull modification?

@CosmicMaxxer please answer.

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

@CosmicMaxxer please answer.

94.5 cm

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

Why do you chose deltoid implants when you could just Gymmaxx, potentially supplemented with TRT

It would take years to add 2 inches to my delts. I'm already in my early 30's, I don't have that time to spare. Though I will gym-max for the rest of my physique. Also, I don't do roids or TRT because of how much older they tend to make ppl look. Maybe TRT not quite as much, but I shy away from all hormone modification.

 

[randomvanish]

this doc say internal rod will stay forever in bones. wtf? is that true ? also he claims the bone will less likely to be fractured after surgery.

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

this doc say internal rod will stay forever in bones. wtf? is that true ? also he claims the bone will less likely to be fractured after surgery.

Conor didn’t get LL.
Dubious, probably roughly equal.

 

[randomvanish]

Conor didn’t get LL.
Dubious, probably roughly equal.

the only difference soft tissue strecth which can be altered by long-term stretching exercises. isn't soft tissue easy to adapt changes?

am i missing the point?

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

the only difference soft tissue strecth which can be altered by long-term stretching exercises. isn't soft tissue easy to adapt changes?

am i missing the point?

Not really, soft tissue is the entire struggle with LL. If you get into pilates/yoga sure it won't be an issue, but most people are lazy.
At least for me, I'm planning on doing PT for years.

 

[Real]

What happens when you don't do any stretching? I guess you can still walk, just running is a problem?

Ugh, i did a superhardcore stretching program once for 3 months cause i wanted to do the crosslegged yoga pose sitting. And there was like 0 progress. Now i worry that this makes me not a LL candidate.

Thanks for the thread

 

[randomvanish]

What happens when you don't do any stretching? I guess you can still walk, just running is a problem?

Ugh, i did a superhardcore stretching program once for 3 months cause i wanted to do the crosslegged yoga pose sitting. And there was like 0 progress. Now i worry that this makes me not a LL candidate.

Thanks for the thread

can you share the program you did?

 

[Real]

can you share the program you did?

Sorry this was 9 years ago, i only remember doing daily (perhaps even morning and evening) for 3 months