ostarine bulk

[saab13]

first off yes i know sarms are shit and yes i know ostarine is extremely shit

but there are other factors in play here,
if family and friends wouldnt ridicule me for it id ofc take sm better

but genuinely i have to hide ts so i see no other way and i accept the micro gains


has anyone tried bulking with ostarine instead of recomping? i only see cuts or recomps and everyones saying you only gain 1-2kg max from it because of that; but when bulking meanwhile i feel i can see 4 or maybe even in very good cases 5 kg of muscle from a 12 week cycle at 20mg ed

what would i realistically be able to expect?
is it genuinely so weak that there wont be a noticeable difference?

should i do 10mg rad or 5mg lgd instead? im just worried that would raise red flags jfl

 

[Kuros]

first off yes i know sarms are shit and yes i know ostarine is extremely shit

but there are other factors in play here,
if family and friends wouldnt ridicule me for it id ofc take sm better

but genuinely i have to hide ts so i see no other way and i accept the micro gains


has anyone tried bulking with ostarine instead of recomping? i only see cuts or recomps and everyones saying you only gain 1-2kg max from it because of that; but when bulking meanwhile i feel i can see 4 or maybe even in very good cases 5 kg of muscle from a 12 week cycle at 20mg ed

what would i realistically be able to expect?
is it genuinely so weak that there wont be a noticeable difference?

should i do 10mg rad or 5mg lgd instead? im just worried that would raise red flags jfl

I have tried LGD only, and LGD+YK11 only, at it was amazing for LGD you better off taking 10mg and for rad I must admit rad only was a good experience too, but the veins the strength the endurance the PUMP from LGD and YK11 was uncomparable

 

[vi24v_]

first off yes i know sarms are shit and yes i know ostarine is extremely shit

but there are other factors in play here,
if family and friends wouldnt ridicule me for it id ofc take sm better

but genuinely i have to hide ts so i see no other way and i accept the micro gains


has anyone tried bulking with ostarine instead of recomping? i only see cuts or recomps and everyones saying you only gain 1-2kg max from it because of that; but when bulking meanwhile i feel i can see 4 or maybe even in very good cases 5 kg of muscle from a 12 week cycle at 20mg ed

what would i realistically be able to expect?
is it genuinely so weak that there wont be a noticeable difference?

should i do 10mg rad or 5mg lgd instead? im just worried that would raise red flags jfl

If ur rlly forced to take sarms then atleast take something better like RAD140 and YK11

 

[saab13]

If ur rlly forced to take sarms then atleast take something better like RAD140 and YK11

i think that would be too aggressive though, and everyone would notice no?

 

[saab13]

I have tried LGD only, and LGD+YK11 only, at it was amazing for LGD you better off taking 10mg and for rad I must admit rad only was a good experience too, but the veins the strength the endurance the PUMP from LGD and YK11 was uncomparable

how much did you gain from lgd only and what was your dosing and for how long?
do you have before and after pictures

 

[Kuros]

Here you go
I did 10-15mg of LGD and RAD and on YK I never went above 9mg, also I did them individually and together

https://looksmax.org/threads/will-rad140-require-pct-at-17.1894912/post-26489161

 

[saab13]

first off yes i know sarms are shit and yes i know ostarine is extremely shit

but there are other factors in play here,
if family and friends wouldnt ridicule me for it id ofc take sm better

but genuinely i have to hide ts so i see no other way and i accept the micro gains


has anyone tried bulking with ostarine instead of recomping? i only see cuts or recomps and everyones saying you only gain 1-2kg max from it because of that; but when bulking meanwhile i feel i can see 4 or maybe even in very good cases 5 kg of muscle from a 12 week cycle at 20mg ed

what would i realistically be able to expect?
is it genuinely so weak that there wont be a noticeable difference?

should i do 10mg rad or 5mg lgd instead? im just worried that would raise red flags jfl

bump

 

[vi24v_]

i think that would be too aggressive though, and everyone would notice no?

no it’s not that much tbh

 

[saab13]

no it’s not that much tbh

pretty certain people would notice the quick gains from rad +yk11 lmao

wbt shit like lgd at 5mg

 

[vi24v_]

pretty certain people would notice the quick gains from rad +yk11 lmao

wbt shit like lgd at 5mg

7.5-10mg

 

[Matthaiass]

why not just take test tho like the bottle is really small and easy to hide since you only have to keep it on room temp and not refridgerated
needles can be used ones nd immedeately be disposed in public trash BUT tleast put it in a empty bottle so no one gets hurt

 

[saab13]

why not just take test tho like the bottle is really small and easy to hide since you only have to keep it on room temp and not refridgerated
needles can be used ones nd immedeately be disposed in public trash BUT tleast put it in a empty bottle so no one gets hurt

androgenic effects too noticeable
gains too noticeable

 

[Matthaiass]

androgenic effects too noticeable
gains too noticeable

then stay natural either you commit fully or not because if you run sarms your hormones are going to be 1000x more fucked than after a few months of test + you need to run test no matter what if you use a sarm because it still supresses your natural production if not even fully shuts it down

 

[saab13]

then stay natural either you commit fully or not because if you run sarms your hormones are going to be 1000x more fucked than after a few months of test + you need to run test no matter what if you use a sarm because it still supresses your natural production if not even fully shuts it down

hormones dont get completely fucked no, especially not when running enclo through the whole cycle and post cycle

 

[Boosie’s_Build]

Guild for Sarms

Sarms guide In this guide I prove that Sarm give gains and bone density. Ostarine actually has documented data about BMD and Volume being greater after giving rats osteoporosis and treatment. TLDR: Sarm = muscle growth and bone density. I had ChatGpt make me this cute little graph. I would...

looksmax.org

Ostarine is great I’ve seen lots of people gain muscle in it. Look up Sarmageddon on YouTube this guy tracked his whole ostarine cycle.

 

[saab13]

Guild for Sarms

Sarms guide In this guide I prove that Sarm give gains and bone density. Ostarine actually has documented data about BMD and Volume being greater after giving rats osteoporosis and treatment. TLDR: Sarm = muscle growth and bone density. I had ChatGpt make me this cute little graph. I would...

looksmax.org

Ostarine is great I’ve seen lots of people gain muscle in it. Look up Sarmageddon on YouTube this guy tracked his whole ostarine cycle.

Thank you brother i’ll do that

i also alr read your thread its bookmarked lmao
how much do you think i could gain on ostarine when bulking?
do you think lgd or rad would be too much in the sense of hiding the fact im taking something?

 

[Boosie’s_Build]

Thank you brother i’ll do that

i also alr read your thread its bookmarked lmao
how much do you think i could gain on ostarine when bulking?
do you think lgd or rad would be too much in the sense of hiding the fact im taking something?

I think ostarine is a healthy place to start. Everyone says they feel amazing on it. I think it really depends on how much muscle you already have. If your have a base like I do your gains will be less noticeable. I’m 172-3lbs at 5’11”. I have always gotten roid allegations my whole life. Just tell your parents they are newbie fangs or u finally started eating to accommodate for the gym.

I bought lgd-4033 and Ostarine.
I expect at least 10-15 lbs on it honestly more I’m prolly going to take both up to 30mgs. Lgd might stay at 20.


For you I would take the ostarine and titrate up to 30 over the course of like 3-6 weeks whatever ur body feels best at. You’re going to gain probably 10lbs. Watch the YouTube videos I suggested.

You could look into an Anavar only cycle.

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

but there are other factors in play here,
if family and friends wouldnt ridicule me for it id ofc take sm better

Just dont tell them or stop caring, horrible influence to make such impirtsnt decisions

 

[fluoride1337]

androgenic effects too noticeable
gains too noticeable

blud thinks he's gonna morph into sam sulek after 1 cycle of test p

 

[saab13]

Just dont tell them or stop caring, horrible influence to make such impirtsnt decisions

they would def notice without me telling

 

[saab13]

blud thinks he's gonna morph into sam sulek after 1 cycle of test p

na but for a start my dad went bald at 19, all males in my family are bald, so i think any test would not be good for my hairline

 

[India lover 52]

they would def notice without me telling

your parents would not notice a difference at like 250 test lmao

 

[India lover 52]

na but for a start my dad went bald at 19, all males in my family are bald, so i think any test would not be good for my hairline

sarms arn't any better for your hairline plus if you take test you can take fin and dut and get less sides from it

 

[saab13]

sarms arn't any better for your hairline plus if you take test you can take fin and dut and get less sides from it

sarms are way better for your hairline and thats the whole point behind them
they are way less androgenic than anabolic

 

[saab13]

your parents would not notice a difference at like 250 test lmao

my mom already suspects im taking steroids and my brother says hes certain im going to at some point

 

[India lover 52]

sarms are way better for your hairline and thats the whole point behind them
they are way less androgenic than anabolic

only true for very low doses like 5mg and under they loose their selectivity at normal bodybuilding doses, only use i see for them is taking low doses while on testosterone for a little extra anabolism

my mom already suspects im taking steroids and my brother says hes certain im going to at some point

Test is easier to hide than sarms because you can dose twice a week and keep them at a friends house or something. Test isn't as strong as you think it is you already produce ~140mg a week naturally 200mg will give you like the same results as a sarm but with way less side effects. Crashing your estrogen by taking a sarm only cycle is gonna fuck up your brain development too

 

[saab13]

only true for very low doses like 5mg and under they loose their selectivity at normal bodybuilding doses, only use i see for them is taking low doses while on testosterone for a little extra anabolism

Test is easier to hide than sarms because you can dose twice a week and keep them at a friends house or something. Test isn't as strong as you think it is you already produce ~140mg a week naturally 200mg will give you like the same results as a sarm but with way less side effects. Crashing your estrogen by taking a sarm only cycle is gonna fuck up your brain development too

im at boarding school so needles would be hard to hide

i dont think sarms have more side effects, when you count androgenic side effects

how do sarms crash estrogen?

 

[India lover 52]

im at boarding school so needles would be hard to hide

i dont think sarms have more side effects, when you count androgenic side effects

how do sarms crash estrogen?

sarms crash estrogen because they crash your testosterone production like steroids do, estrogen is produced when the body aromatizes testosterone into estrogen. If you have no test in your system your gonna have no e2 which can lead to stunted brain development in people under 25, thats why everybody says to run a test base with every cycle


if you are really desperate hop on a dbol cycle, its a oral but it aromatizes into a synthetic form of estrogen. Its also a bulking compound so you would gain alot of water/fat along with muscle but that might be a good thing if you want your parents to think your natural because you can just tell them your bulking and your not gonna look freaky and unnatural because of all the bloat. It will also give you way more gains than any sarm and its the only oral you can run solo, still take some enclo after.


also like i said sarms have the same amount of androgenic side effects as AAS once you take more than 5mg, they are just weaker glorified oral steroids

 

[saab13]

sarms crash estrogen because they crash your testosterone production like steroids do, estrogen is produced when the body aromatizes testosterone into estrogen. If you have no test in your system your gonna have no e2 which can lead to stunted brain development in people under 25, thats why everybody says to run a test base with every cycle


if you are really desperate hop on a dbol cycle, its a oral but it aromatizes into a synthetic form of estrogen. Its also a bulking compound so you would gain alot of water/fat along with muscle but that might be a good thing if you want your parents to think your natural because you can just tell them your bulking and your not gonna look freaky and unnatural because of all the bloat. It will also give you way more gains than any sarm and its the only oral you can run solo, still take some enclo after.


also like i said sarms have the same amount of androgenic side effects as AAS once you take more than 5mg, they are just weaker glorified oral steroids

only to a degree does the selectiveness stop

test doesnt ‘crash’ on sarms, and especially not when running enclo too

 

[India lover 52]

only to a degree does the selectiveness stop

test doesnt ‘crash’ on sarms, and especially not when running enclo too

tren is technically a sarm because its selective towards muscle, just because its a little bit more selective doesnt mean your gonna have less sides, androgenic activity is actually good from a looksmaxing perspective and it doesn't mean bad sides, those come from the compound itself or how it effects your bloodwork not how androgenic it is.

in a study done on healthy young men 1mg of lgd their test dropped by over 50% and didn't return for 5+ weeks after a 21 day cycle

this is the graph, notice how test drops linearly so even if sarms didn't loose their selectivity above 5mg your test would still be shut down fully. Sarms are usually sold at 15-30mg a dose so unless your running a microdose for a very short amount of time you will have crashed e2 issues


also enclo is doing jack shit if your hpta is shut down, the main mechanism is lowering your brains estrogen to make your body think your low on e2 and produce more testosterone so it can aromatize, if your brain e2 is already crashed from low e2 all your doing is multiplying the developmental stunting and neurodegenerative effects of crashed estrogen in your brain

 

[India lover 52]

only to a degree does the selectiveness stop

test doesnt ‘crash’ on sarms, and especially not when running enclo too

im trynna help you but it kinda feels like your already set on doing sarms and just wanted people to validate you, just take test or any aromatizing compound instead sarms are worthless and are just gonna fuck you up, your not even gonna make good gains from them the reason they discontinued research into sarms is because steroids like anavar and deca are better in every single use case medically

 

[India lover 52]

im trynna help you but it kinda feels like your already set on doing sarms and just wanted people to validate you, just take test or any aromatizing compound instead sarms are worthless and are just gonna fuck you up, your not even gonna make good gains from them the reason they discontinued research into sarms is because steroids like anavar and deca are better in every single use case medically

im saying all this bc i know a nigga irl who took hella sarms and went hypogonadal from it, he also has brain damage from it or at least it seems like it he might be nd idk but his iq is hardlocked at like 90

 

[saab13]

im trynna help you but it kinda feels like your already set on doing sarms and just wanted people to validate you, just take test or any aromatizing compound instead sarms are worthless and are just gonna fuck you up, your not even gonna make good gains from them the reason they discontinued research into sarms is because steroids like anavar and deca are better in every single use case medically

im not set no, im just kinda convinced

its easier, im looking for small gains

and enclo doesnt lower estrogen, it lowers estrogen feedback signaling making your body think you need more estrogen

 

[saab13]

im saying all this bc i know a nigga irl who took hella sarms and went hypogonadal from it, he also has brain damage from it or at least it seems like it he might be nd idk but his iq is hardlocked at like 90

he prob took sm crazy tho. my most likely plan was to take the mildest sarm there is, in a dose not considered high

 

[India lover 52]

im not set no, im just kinda convinced

its easier, im looking for small gains

and enclo doesnt lower estrogen, it lowers estrogen feedback signaling making your body think you need more estrogen

enclo is a SERM, "lowering estrogen feedback signaling" is a fancy way to say it blocks estrogen receptors in the brain, yeah it doesn't directly decrease estrogen but the whole point of having estrogen is to activate the estrogen receptors in the brain to avoid neurotoxicity, blocking those receptors isn't gonna do anything because they are already underused from low estrogen in the first place

 

[India lover 52]

he prob took sm crazy tho. my most likely plan was to take the mildest sarm there is, in a dose not considered high

he might have taken some superdrol or something idk he says he took a sarm but this nigga moved across the country and in like his 2nd week here he disappeared for a month and when he came back he was down like 50 pounds of lean mass

honestly i think its pointless to even use sarms during puberty if your fine with shutting down your htpa run test and hcg if you dont want to your still gonna do damage to it by taking a sarm for gains you could easily make natural

or just do hgh only

 

[saab13]

he might have taken some superdrol or something idk he says he took a sarm but this nigga moved across the country and in like his 2nd week here he disappeared for a month and when he came back he was down like 50 pounds of lean mass

honestly i think its pointless to even use sarms during puberty if your fine with shutting down your htpa run test and hcg if you dont want to your still gonna do damage to it by taking a sarm for gains you could easily make natural

or just do hgh only

my hpta wont get shutdown

also whats taking me away from test is hiding it bc im in boarding school. i have 2 roomies i live in room with, house with a bunch of other students too, and a whole school with more houses and hallways who also visit my room
aswell as the janitors sometimes looking through your room to see if they can find anything

i cant have needles or vials lying around
i can though have pills that dont say what they are

i cant suddenly get alot of gains and also alot of androgenic shit like receding hairline and acne
i can though get a little bit of gains

i wish i could take test now, but ill wait for the future, where i probably will

 

[saab13]

enclo is a SERM, "lowering estrogen feedback signaling" is a fancy way to say it blocks estrogen receptors in the brain, yeah it doesn't directly decrease estrogen but the whole point of having estrogen is to activate the estrogen receptors in the brain to avoid neurotoxicity, blocking those receptors isn't gonna do anything because they are already underused from low estrogen in the first place

even if it lowers brain development, not for long, and my iq is more than fine already

 

[India lover 52]

my hpta wont get shutdown

also whats taking me away from test is hiding it bc im in boarding school. i have 2 roomies i live in room with, house with a bunch of other students too, and a whole school with more houses and hallways who also visit my room
aswell as the janitors sometimes looking through your room to see if they can find anything

i cant have needles or vials lying around
i can though have pills that dont say what they are

i cant suddenly get alot of gains and also alot of androgenic shit like receding hairline and acne
i can though get a little bit of gains

i wish i could take test now, but ill wait for the future, where i probably will

your not going to get any side effects from 250 test, if you do then the sarms will give you worse side effects i guarantee theres 80 year old grandpas on 250 test from a trt clinic doing fine

if you can't have unlabled pills idk how you would hide sarms then a liquid dropper is probably even more suspicious

if u have a car i would hide ur test there or buy a safe for ur dorm room

if u really can't pin at all at least take dbol because it aromatizes


also your hpta is gonna get shut down you can cope all you like but sarms shut you down just as much as steroids unless your on like 1mg of ostarine but at that point just stay natty your just slowly shutting your hpta down for no benefit

 

[India lover 52]

even if it lowers brain development, not for long, and my iq is more than fine already

okay but why would you want to lower it even more? i dont see why you would rather risk brain damage and depression instead of taking dbol or something, its cheaper and will give you more results and its also been studied for decades in humans, estrogen is also important for bone development and libido/mood i dont get why you wouldn't just take an objectively better compound to run solo

 

[saab13]

your not going to get any side effects from 250 test, if you do then the sarms will give you worse side effects i guarantee theres 80 year old grandpas on 250 test from a trt clinic doing fine

if you can't have unlabled pills idk how you would hide sarms then a liquid dropper is probably even more suspicious

if u have a car i would hide ur test there or buy a safe for ur dorm room

if u really can't pin at all at least take dbol because it aromatizes


also your hpta is gonna get shut down you can cope all you like but sarms shut you down just as much as steroids unless your on like 1mg of ostarine but at that point just stay natty your just slowly shutting your hpta down for no benefit

i said i can have unlabeled pills but not needles or vials

statistics literally say suppression isnt as much at sll. also again enclomiphene

 

[saab13]

okay but why would you want to lower it even more? i dont see why you would rather risk brain damage and depression instead of taking dbol or something, its cheaper and will give you more results and its also been studied for decades in humans, estrogen is also important for bone development and libido/mood i dont get why you wouldn't just take an objectively better compound to run solo

im not saying im not gonna look into it
im def gonna look into dbol tomorrow since youre saying its so goated

 

[Finn]

Ostarine isn’t magic bro – in clinical trials it added like 1–2 kg lean mass over 12 weeks at medical doses, so those “5 kg pure muscle in one cycle” claims are mostly cope and water/glycogen.

 

[India lover 52]

i said i can have unlabeled pills but not needles or vials

statistics literally say suppression isnt as much at sll. also again enclomiphene

enclo doesn't work on cycle it only works as a pct

also its like 20% over a month yeah thats not horrible but your gonna feel worse mentally for not that many gains plus if you run it longer your eventually gonna get fully shut down anyways

Dbol is a pill too

 

[saab13]

Ostarine isn’t magic bro – in clinical trials it added like 1–2 kg lean mass over 12 weeks at medical doses, so those “5 kg pure muscle in one cycle” claims are mostly cope and water/glycogen.

at medical doses yes, and probably not with everything completely optimised
i think i could see 3-4kg but thats just my guess

 

[India lover 52]

im not saying im not gonna look into it
im def gonna look into dbol tomorrow since youre saying its so goated

never said it was goated its pretty trash it does the same thing as testosterone but it stresses your liver

only case where its useful is in situations where you can't pin because it still aromatizes like testosterone

 

[saab13]

enclo doesn't work on cycle it only works as a pct

also its like 20% over a month yeah thats not horrible but your gonna feel worse mentally for not that many gains plus if you run it longer your eventually gonna get fully shut down anyways

Dbol is a pill too

ive never heard abt enclo not working on cycle
theres a reason its recommended to run it on cycle aswell as post cycle
i dont think 20% would make my mental that much worse either

 

[Finn]

Yeah but those trials were literally designed to optimize results in sick people, and they still only got like ~1–2 kg lean mass over 12 weeks on Osta.
Even if you eat and train perfectly, 3–4 kg of actual new muscle from a mild SARM in one short cycle is just not realistic – most of that would be water, glycogen and scale noise.

GTx, Inc. Announces That Ostarine Achieved Primary Endpoint Of Lean Body Mass And A Secondary Endpoint Of Improved Functional Performance In A Phase II Clinical Trial And Reacquisition Of Full Rights To GTx SARM Program

www.biospace.com

 

[saab13]

never said it was goated its pretty trash it does the same thing as testosterone but it stresses your liver

only case where its useful is in situations where you can't pin because it still aromatizes like testosterone

yeah but all this liver damage talk in compounds i feel is over exaggerated

literally better for the liver than drinking an under average amount of alcohol atleast in my country

 

[India lover 52]

ive never heard abt enclo not working on cycle
theres a reason its recommended to run it on cycle aswell as post cycle
i dont think 20% would make my mental that much worse either

enclo is not recommended to be run on cycle by anybody ever besides tiktok sarm gurus

20% is what the study showed at medical doses, you said yourself your gonna run more which will suppress you more, also thats after 21 days test E takes like 4 weeks to fully shut you down