PSL night out with Pinhead + ethnic Chadlite summary

Another normie tier guy was with us but was denied entry to the club

Brutal.
He had some gimmick online ID on his phone and the bouncers didn't let him in

The retard left his real ID at home

@Thompsonz
 
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Should I harass my acquaintances to always include me in their activities so I get NT exposure sex with gigastacies?
 
why would anybody on here want to meet your ass just to be constantly studied and analyzed by you knowing ur gonna quickly make some sort of assessment:lul: i couldnt tbh. just like i couldnt go to a lookism meet up, would feel so uncomfy to me
It's not like that jfl

We act normal irl
 
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@Pinhead Returns has a bit of approach anxiety. I think he wants to lookmax completely before he starts doing that

When I approach I like to go all out, which I obviously can't do since I'm LTR maxxed, so I don't bother unless were talking to girls outside. If you approach a girl on the dance floor she expects you to dance and make out / grope ect would be very aspie approaching then not doing anything just to show my friends :lul:

The ethnic guy doesn't approach because he gets a lot of attention as it is. Similar with my other Chad friends. They don't have the desire to approach because girls approach them; they've never been forced to do it. Where as I used to be incel as fuck, I had to develop the ability
so being ethnic is not over? which country r u I'n
 
It's not like that jfl

We act normal irl
i know i just would be paranoid hanging out with psltists bc they are analyzing my face and my SMV and looking at how square my bidetoids are etc
 
Bro they were legit makeing out with them squeezing their asses. I legit saw a MTN manlet making out with a girl and he had his fucking hand up her dress. Looked like he was rubbing her pussy from behind
Yeah I’m not denying that I’m just saying I’m not going to assume they went home & he slayed

Unless you see them get in a cab together

We’ve all been in many situations where we were making out & nothings happened cuz shes on some bs
 
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Girls often look for ltrs and dates....
 
Yeah I’m not denying that I’m just saying I’m not going to assume they went home & he slayed

Unless you see them get in a cab together

We’ve all been in many situations where we were making out & nothings happened cuz shes on some bs
True tbf

This has been the cause of some of my most rage fuelled nights
 
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How are the recessed manlets able to operate in reverse hypergamy with the girls (assuming they met through social circle) but the average height NT, HTN is a victim of giga Hypergamy despite having a social circle?
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!!!
Maybe it's because ALL the guys they know look like that so they pick someone out of them. And they're aversed by oldcels even if they're better looking because things like no social media presence or perceived lack of understanding of modern culture are extreme failure for them since zoomers are extremely social and trend-informed due to social networks.
 
Did you read the part where he said he saw ugly manlets with hot girls :feelswhat:

Btw I tried salludon on bumble and his results were worse than Larsa lmaoooo , really really bad @fogdart

Zoomers girls just have different standards for guys
Just be NT and have a good personality theory. PSL is dead.
 
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It’s all about luck
Looks aren’t problem for guys here, most are just born cursed

You might be right man. I wonder how my life could've been if I wasn't abused and insulted by my dad so much growing up

Because of that I lost self esteem and couldn't make friends, too shy

What made it worse was that I went to an all boys school and didn't speak to girls all through my teen years

Fuck man :feelsbadman:
 
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Interesting read

Had to read it twice thoroughly to recreate a movie in my head lol

Questions for @Pinhead Returns since I'm a fellow clubcel myself from the US :Comfy:

Did the girls look drunk? How do y'all know whether the manlets were those HTB boyfriends or cold approached the HTBs? What gave away they were using status/social circle to get the HTBs?

Why didn't FG just dance with her for a lil bit.. it's not like he had to kiss the bitch lol. Then he could've told her to bring her friends to your group & introduce everyone to each other

How many girls did you guys approach? Since y'all 3 are the best looking you probably intimidate a lot of chicks where they'd rather wait till you approach them instead of waiting for them to approach you

This is a stretch lol you can't assume dudes are slaying just cuz they're seen together with a chick. Maybe he was being sarcastic but if not what is FG basing this off of?

Are there strict dress codes in the UK? Why are so many guys getting denied entry? :feelsgiga:

Again another opportunity to introduce the group of girls to you & the tall ethnic. Unless you found her friends unattractive


Final Thoughts

Considering you & the 6'1 ethnic saw many LTN approaching chicks, maybe it wouldn't hurt to approach the same? Not saying approach every chick in the club, but the ones you find attractive & fuckable. Confidence goes a long way

Again I wouldn't jump to conclusion seeing ugly normies with stacies. We don't know what the situation is between them unless they're making out with each other, holding hands, etc (obvious)

thoughts? @fogdart
The last time I was in a club I quickly realized that it's either you're a popular dude who knows a lot of women or you're low inhib with confidence to slay from clubbing, else you're going home alone to masturbate. Women are barely approaching any one unless they want free drinks or they are very drunk. If you're walking around thinking that your ratios and zygos are point so women should approach you then it never began for you. You'll have to be a 6'6" robust masculine brute like Anthony Joshua for women to even notice you in the club.
 
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Maybe it's because ALL the guys they know look like that so they pick someone out of them. And they're aversed by oldcels even if they're better looking because things like no social media presence or perceived lack of understanding of modern culture are extreme failure for them since zoomers are extremely social and trend-informed due to social networks.
Legit. I'm technically a zoomer (maybe like a zillenial) but these young zoomers are totally different from me. Fucking over only roasties left :feelswhy:
 
TBH it would be so fun to go out with a group of PSLers


But the bottom line I've come to is that women do have "types" at least way more than guys who find a lot more broad range of women attractive or at least bangable

I don't know how to explain it when I can go out and in the same night have hot girls approach me openly compliment me first and yet the same night have less attractive women give me absolute cold shoulders, or look at me cringe when I ask for snap or number or whatever
 
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TBH it would be so fun to go out with a group of PSLers


But the bottom line I've come to is that women do have "types" at least way more than guys who find a lot more broad range of women attractive or at least bangable

I don't know how to explain it when I can go out and in the same night have hot girls approach me openly compliment me first and yet the same night have less attractive women give me absolute cold shoulders, or look at me cringe when I ask for snap or number or whatever
I’ve been saying this for so long

@ForeverRecession
Also my experience, appraoched by hot girls many times but also have received “noooo” from ugly girls

Just be her type
 
Great post. Love incels denying stuff like this on the daily. The driving factor of their failures is not being social and NT. I see ugly manlets with girls all the time. OVER for neurodivergentcels unless you're legitimately a tall chadlite
 
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Whenever i go to club i always see those manlet baldcels passionately dancing with chicks.. That shit is true... being manlet baldcel in 2022 is law
 
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I officialy confirm that op aka @forevergymcelling , pls legend aka @Pinhead Returns and their friend mogged every single guy i saw on photo on that club.

PRetty clear mog, saw only one guy who come somewhat close
 
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This describes me when I was 18 and managed to kiss like 70 girls over the span of a year while clubbing
All of my slays during that time were LTB but girls were usually very receptive of me when I approached them in clubs despite me being babyfaced and skinny

Just have an 18 year old brain theory?
I'm starting to think girls will kiss young looking guys in clubs with zero expectations on the guy to provide anything more (doesn't need to show masculinity/dominance) because they feel it's a safe thing to do, almost like kissing another girl. Whereas they know if they kiss a mid 20s gymcelled guy they know that it is pushing them on the first step towards sex with the guy and if they don't want to be a slut they need to restrain themselves from taking the first step
actually a very intelligent post and makes a lot of sense tbh


For reference I have slayed twice from clubs in my life anjd both times I met the girl before the club- the first one was a mutual friend from uni and the second one was a girl I met in my hostel and then we went to the club as a group in Croatia ( But i met her in the hostel during the daytime and then slayed her in the vening at the club rather than approaching her in the club which is in my opinion a key crucial difference). Basially youre only chance is to go with girls to the club if youre normie
 
ngl bro I take imense pleasure in seeing chads and good looking guys trying to mog other guys in clubs while subhumans show up with hot chicks and they can do nothing but stay in their sausage groups holding tightly their beer bottles with anger
 
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It's part of the global reset happening right now

Feminize men, Masculinize women, Make men more submissive, Make women more dominant, brainwash women and men alike with women being more programmable

Endocrine disruptors in the water, in the air, in the soil, in the ocean, in all of the animals, in half of the products we buy in stores, inside of other people

SSRIS, anti psychotics, anti anxiety meds, FLUORIDE, SOY, STATINS, ACRYLAMIDES, HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OILS AND PUFA, MSG, High fructose corn syrup, Gluten, food fortification program of 1942, npk fertilizer, lectins, veganism, nnEMF, Geo-Engineering, inorganic minerals, gmos, phytosterols, plant based meat, root canals, heavy metals, mercury fillings,
mold mycotoxins, acid rain, parabens, Sodium lauryl sulfate, aspartame, lipid peroxidation, herbicides, fungicides,
pesticides, alcohol, tap water, dirty electricity, BPA + other BP's, xenoestrogens, oxidized trans pufas,
human exogenous retroviruses, blue light/junk light, sunscreen, lipofuscin, free radicals, acesulfame K, inverted glucose syrup
Pasteurised dairy, lack of sunlight exposure

Indoctrination through school, university/college, broken down family structure, phone programming (tiktok, instagram, snapchat, targeted ads)

Multi generational poisoning leading to downregulation of genetic expression through Epi-Genetics

You tell me boyo

Are we in a fucking matrix controlled by sociopaths that are programming the most programmable of us (the malleable brains of the younger generations?)

and do you think this will affect the way people interact on a societal level? even down to the sexual preferences of people?
Bookmarking this
 
The problem with clubgame and any other IRL-social game is that people are anti-social nowadays.

People stick with their group of friends and people they already know. Trying to make conversation with a stranger is off the table and creepy/intimidating to young people
This is why going out alone is retarded
 
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insane thread jfl at me having to normiemaxx like a cuck all week and only just seeing it now

I need to get back to the level of socialmaxxing I was when I was at when I was like 21 jfl at my subhumanity rotting most of the time thinking all I need to slay is losing some more bodyfat

I know that feel of being the most gymcelled and one of the tallest guys in the club and above average for the club looks wise overall and being invisible but seeing utter subhumans getting with girls that fog the majority of girls you've ever been with, frustration doesn't begin to describe it
 
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Because being in the club with your mates is fun

OLD is legit boring. you meet the same kind of girls, talk about the same shit, ask the same questions ect it's a routine and it's boring as fuck. I legit got bored of slaying from Tinder, real life is just more fun especially when your mates are there and you can chat to other groups of girls in the smoking area ect
pulling on a night out is a lot more fun and validating than from messaging on tinder as well tbh
 
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I live in America, im a handsome guy my self. I’m really not familiar too well with these new ratings like mtn, or htn

But basically I’m the most attractive guy 90% of places I go.

I went to a lot of clubs and I mean a lot since I turned 21 last summer

It’s basically exactly this, girl are ALLHUDDLED IN THEIR GROUPS, the ones that will give attention will be drunk as fuck girls that are already being protected by their friends. It’s the strangest thing because I remember partying and clubbing was NOT like this at all.

You have to bring your own grouo of girls and then it’s possible to get to know the other girls there tbh.

Approaching irl or at the gym is sooooo much better. Approaching still works easy for me
 
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I live in America, im a handsome guy my self. I’m really not familiar too well with these new ratings like mtn, or htn

But basically I’m the most attractive guy 90% of places I go.

I went to a lot of clubs and I mean a lot since I turned 21 last summer

It’s basically exactly this, girl are ALLHUDDLED IN THEIR GROUPS, the ones that will give attention will be drunk as fuck girls that are already being protected by their friends. It’s the strangest thing because I remember partying and clubbing was NOT like this at all.

You have to bring your own grouo of girls and then it’s possible to get to know the other girls there tbh.

Approaching irl or at the gym is sooooo much better. Approaching still works easy for me
Everybody’s in their own social circles past hs, even in hs to an extent. I always had a theory that your life when really young is very “malleable” and it slowly cements like wet concrete. By like 18-21 it’s almost dry if you aren’t chad
 
Everybody’s in their own social circles past hs, even in hs to an extent. I always had a theory that your life when really young is very “malleable” and it slowly cements like wet concrete. By like 18-21 it’s almost dry if you aren’t chad
I’d say after college. That’s truly the last chance to build a good social circle if you join sports, clubs etc

But you can always increase your social circle thru other friends of friends. That’s what I’ve been doing
 
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I’d say after college. That’s truly the last chance to build a good social circle if you join sports, clubs etc

But you can always increase your social circle thru other friends of friends. That’s what I’ve been doing
For me, college wasn’t in the cards. Also friends from hs drifted away after graduation.
 
I’d say after college. That’s truly the last chance to build a good social circle if you join sports, clubs etc

But you can always increase your social circle thru other friends of friends. That’s what I’ve been doing
I was way more social during uni aged 18-22 compared to since then tbh
But I feel like considering the point I got to from having previously been borderline friendless, KV, gamercel never been to parties etc. before that as a teen and having gone through all that it would be much easier for me to social circlemaxx again now.
 
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I was way more social during uni aged 18-22 compared to since then tbh
But I feel like considering the point I got to from having previously been borderline friendless, KV, gamercel never been to parties etc. before that as a teen and having gone through all that it would be much easier for me to social circlemaxx again now.
Yeah I LITERALLY had to create my own social circle & club (automotive) cuz all the clubs in uni were boring to me

Even the campus PD fucks with us

And fast forward 5 years later I’m doing the same thing with YouTube at a greater scale lol shits hard af
 
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It was like in Belgium when me and you mogged every guy in the vicinity yet we approach around 15 girls and pretty much all of them seemed uninterested. I just don't get it

Girls in 2022 are just not interested in men tbh. The validation they get daily from guys + their vibrators are enough until they need a Chad from Tinder.

I just don't understand how online dating is so much easier than real life. I legit match the hottest girls in the city. Meanwhile LTB club rats look at me in disgust

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I agree tbh

You need to either meet them through social circle or tinder/instagram, even if you mog their ugly boyfriend to oblivion they still wont be interested when you approach them irl

Women are retarded jfl
 
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I live in America, im a handsome guy my self. I’m really not familiar too well with these new ratings like mtn, or htn

But basically I’m the most attractive guy 90% of places I go.

I went to a lot of clubs and I mean a lot since I turned 21 last summer

It’s basically exactly this, girl are ALLHUDDLED IN THEIR GROUPS, the ones that will give attention will be drunk as fuck girls that are already being protected by their friends. It’s the strangest thing because I remember partying and clubbing was NOT like this at all.

You have to bring your own grouo of girls and then it’s possible to get to know the other girls there tbh.

Approaching irl or at the gym is sooooo much better. Approaching still works easy for me
When do you approach in the gym? Everyone looks busy all the time
 
Everyone here already knows what I look like

@Pinhead Returns is 5'11 and Chadlite facially, but is brutally failod by his pale skin and tiny neck bringing him down to HTN tier. He also has low muscle mass despite his coat hanger tier clavicles that mog even mine. NW1, stubble with good harmony, square jaw and protruding wide chin and no failos except ones I mentioned. If he fixed his failos he'd be a clean cut chadlite.

Another normie tier guy was with us but was denied entry to the club

The ethnic guy is 6'1 barefoot and looks like a worse version of this guy, but with green eyes and excellent coloring (he works outside in the sun all day)

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I wasn't sure if I mogged the ethnic guy tbh he's easily the best looking ethnic I've met in person. @Pinhead Returns seems to think I do (entire package wise), but the normie tier guy referred to the ethnic as the "biggest shagger" among us.



Observations:

  • Club was at like 3/4 capacity, I estimated there to have be around 300-350 people in there. Most of them 18-20 year old zoomers
  • Zoomers look like utter fucking garbage. They are somehow even less robust than what people my age were at 18. They all looked the same, melted potato face, tiny skull, 0 dimorphism pudgy looking, skinnyfat disgraces. All rocking the same broccoli or curtain haircut. This applies to all ethnicities.
  • Nobody in the club was gymcelled. I had the best frame and physique combo in there, bar one guy who was a giga gymcel or roided, but he was ugly.
  • Our group mogged every single guy in there. @Pinhead Returns claims that I was the biggest mogger there, with the ethnic guy coming in at a close second, and 2 other guys + pinhead himself fighting for spots No. 3,4 and 5.
  • We were outside trying to get some cigarettes since the normie guy had our tobacco and wasn't allowed in. Me and the ethnic guy approached a group of girls and they were giving us attitude about the cigs even though we offered them money. A second time I went by myself to a LTN and a girl he was with and they gave me two, the ethnic chadite then said it's because "I look better" (I'm not saying this to brag or anything, this info is crucial for the conclusion section of this thread). He actually got approached while we were waiting for a drink by another guy just so he could tell him how GL he was.
  • We saw a lot of manlet subhumans with hot girls. It was legit comical, some of these guys were like 5'5 recessed into oblivion with a HTB's hands all over them and kissing them. We stood next to these abominations and made them look like a different species. Yet the power of status/social circle prevailed, our looks meant nothing
  • All three of us were high energy on the dance floor, acting hyper NT ect
  • Near the end of the night a HTB white girl came onto me and started grinding on my cock, I shuffled back to try and get away but she aggressively grabbed both my hands and put it around her waist. I told her I had a gf and she flipped out, she started raging to her friend, then approached the ethnic chadlite to ask if I was telling the truth. I had another curry foid look me up and down seductively but she wasn't hot. Nothing else happened. The ethnic guy didn't get shit and Pinhead din't get shit. Despite us being the top 3 best looking in the club :lul::lul:
  • We made OLD profiles and were matching insane stacies/stacylites, getting asked on dates and shit despite being borderline invisible irl

Conclusion

You can literally be the best looking guy facially, with the biggest frame and the best physique in the entire club, and only get one approach and one IOI

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You can be a top 1% 6'2 ethnic mogger with green eyes and flared zygos and still not get shit

Leonardo Dicaprio Lol GIF


Club game is dead

Unless you are a clean cut top 1% Chad or a ruthlessly low inhb HTN+, clubs are not worth it

OLD is 1000x easier than real life for good looking guys

There are no looks for your lack of status / social circle

You are incel because you have no friends, no social circle

There are 5'3 abominations out there getting laid with girls who mog them to hell while you rot on this forum. I wish I took pics of them

It's all about deluding girls into thinking you're GL through prolonged exposure


This only applies to the UK though. Every other country has been easy mode


@6ft4
@Niko69
@Niko
@Xangsane
@geezcel
@the BULL
@ChickenAndRiceBrah
@EverythingMattersCel
@Anstrum95
@Chadeep
@Solidcoin
@Oberyn
@Chadethnic101
@FailedNormieManlet
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I don't know how you look like, can I see?
 
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The maher pill broke him but the social circle pill destroyed him
 
It was like in Belgium when me and you mogged every guy in the vicinity yet we approach around 15 girls and pretty much all of them seemed uninterested. I just don't get it

Girls in 2022 are just not interested in men tbh. The validation they get daily from guys + their vibrators are enough until they need a Chad from Tinder.

I just don't understand how online dating is so much easier than real life. I legit match the hottest girls in the city. Meanwhile LTB club rats look at me in disgust

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Are u a gl manlet
 
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It was like in Belgium when me and you mogged every guy in the vicinity yet we approach around 15 girls and pretty much all of them seemed uninterested. I just don't get it

Girls in 2022 are just not interested in men tbh. The validation they get daily from guys + their vibrators are enough until they need a Chad from Tinder.

I just don't understand how online dating is so much easier than real life. I legit match the hottest girls in the city. Meanwhile LTB club rats look at me in disgust

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i feel the same
 
@forevergymcelling what is your thoughts about this one year later?
 
@forevergymcelling what is your thoughts about this one year later?
The same really. Clubs are a waste of time

I went out last weekend to a few bars and they mog to utter oblivion. Had girls treating me like a pure Chad and could've slain 3 dif girls imo
 
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Different than clubs where I am at in the US. Its tough but looks mostly prevail as you dont see MTNs hardly ever getting much attention. All of it goes to tall HTNs and Chadlites mostly. The females here wait until almost 30 to think about trying to snag a well to do guy who is only MTN in looks.
 
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Everyone here already knows what I look like

@Pinhead Returns is 5'11 and Chadlite facially, but is brutally failod by his pale skin and tiny neck bringing him down to HTN tier. He also has low muscle mass despite his coat hanger tier clavicles that mog even mine. NW1, stubble with good harmony, square jaw and protruding wide chin and no failos except ones I mentioned. If he fixed his failos he'd be a clean cut chadlite.

Another normie tier guy was with us but was denied entry to the club

The ethnic guy is 6'1 barefoot and looks like a worse version of this guy, but with green eyes and excellent coloring (he works outside in the sun all day)

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I wasn't sure if I mogged the ethnic guy tbh he's easily the best looking ethnic I've met in person. @Pinhead Returns seems to think I do (entire package wise), but the normie tier guy referred to the ethnic as the "biggest shagger" among us.



Observations:

  • Club was at like 3/4 capacity, I estimated there to have be around 300-350 people in there. Most of them 18-20 year old zoomers
  • Zoomers look like utter fucking garbage. They are somehow even less robust than what people my age were at 18. They all looked the same, melted potato face, tiny skull, 0 dimorphism pudgy looking, skinnyfat disgraces. All rocking the same broccoli or curtain haircut. This applies to all ethnicities.
  • Nobody in the club was gymcelled. I had the best frame and physique combo in there, bar one guy who was a giga gymcel or roided, but he was ugly.
  • Our group mogged every single guy in there. @Pinhead Returns claims that I was the biggest mogger there, with the ethnic guy coming in at a close second, and 2 other guys + pinhead himself fighting for spots No. 3,4 and 5.
  • We were outside trying to get some cigarettes since the normie guy had our tobacco and wasn't allowed in. Me and the ethnic guy approached a group of girls and they were giving us attitude about the cigs even though we offered them money. A second time I went by myself to a LTN and a girl he was with and they gave me two, the ethnic chadite then said it's because "I look better" (I'm not saying this to brag or anything, this info is crucial for the conclusion section of this thread). He actually got approached while we were waiting for a drink by another guy just so he could tell him how GL he was.
  • We saw a lot of manlet subhumans with hot girls. It was legit comical, some of these guys were like 5'5 recessed into oblivion with a HTB's hands all over them and kissing them. We stood next to these abominations and made them look like a different species. Yet the power of status/social circle prevailed, our looks meant nothing
  • All three of us were high energy on the dance floor, acting hyper NT ect
  • Near the end of the night a HTB white girl came onto me and started grinding on my cock, I shuffled back to try and get away but she aggressively grabbed both my hands and put it around her waist. I told her I had a gf and she flipped out, she started raging to her friend, then approached the ethnic chadlite to ask if I was telling the truth. I had another curry foid look me up and down seductively but she wasn't hot. Nothing else happened. The ethnic guy didn't get shit and Pinhead din't get shit. Despite us being the top 3 best looking in the club :lul::lul:
  • We made OLD profiles and were matching insane stacies/stacylites, getting asked on dates and shit despite being borderline invisible irl

Conclusion

You can literally be the best looking guy facially, with the biggest frame and the best physique in the entire club, and only get one approach and one IOI

View attachment 1729814

You can be a top 1% 6'2 ethnic mogger with green eyes and flared zygos and still not get shit

Leonardo Dicaprio Lol GIF


Club game is dead

Unless you are a clean cut top 1% Chad or a ruthlessly low inhb HTN+, clubs are not worth it

OLD is 1000x easier than real life for good looking guys

There are no looks for your lack of status / social circle

You are incel because you have no friends, no social circle

There are 5'3 abominations out there getting laid with girls who mog them to hell while you rot on this forum. I wish I took pics of them

It's all about deluding girls into thinking you're GL through prolonged exposure


This only applies to the UK though. Every other country has been easy mode


@6ft4
@Niko69
@Niko
@Xangsane
@geezcel
@the BULL
@ChickenAndRiceBrah
@EverythingMattersCel
@Anstrum95
@Chadeep
@Solidcoin
@Oberyn
@Chadethnic101
@FailedNormieManlet
@AscendingHero
@oldcell
@ForeverRecession
@phukmikehok
Why do u even go to clubs when u have a gf
 
The same really. Clubs are a waste of time

I went out last weekend to a few bars and they mog to utter oblivion. Had girls treating me like a pure Chad and could've slain 3 dif girls imo
What u mean by bars? Like local pubs? No way
 
We saw a lot of manlet subhumans with hot girls. It was legit comical, some of these guys were like 5'5 recessed into oblivion with a HTB's hands all over them and kissing them.

Best part of the thread
I laughed all the tears I had left
 
This is genuinely one of the most autistic shit I've read on here and I've read a lot.
 

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