Stack I used to increase my T-levels

[Xulane]

Holy shit OP, I started today, had no idea how hard it was to get these quantities in, but I am going SLIGHTLY lower than you, because I know D3 at 50,000ui can be toxic, so in going half on the d3, K2, and ashwagandha.

The problem is tongkat Ali, I got this one below, which Amazon assures me is tongkat Ali, but Jesus Christ it's the worst thing I ever tasted, how the hell do you take it? I just plain scooped the powder onto my tongue!

View attachment 939622

I put the powder on my tongue and throw in some water before. Now I make capsules so theres no taste

 

[Schizoidcel]

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[MewingJBP]

how tf you take 5000mcg of k2

All websites I found have only 100 or 200mcg doses

 

[Xulane]

how tf you take 5000mcg of k2

All websites I found have only 100 or 200mcg doses

I take 5 pills of these.

Super K vitamins for anti-calcification | Life Extension Europe

Vitamin K1, K2 (MK-4 and MK-7) vitamins can support anti-calcification of arteries, strong bones and healthy heart. Shop a for high-qulity supplement.

www.lifeextensioneurope.com

 

[zami]

Hello, few months ago I went to test my testosterone levels when I was experimenting with supplements.
When the results cam back the doctor was me if I was taking any roids and she took a look at my balls.
My balls where normal size, because I raised my T-levels in a natural way.

Stack: 50k D3 daily + k2 5000mgc (for countering blood calcium), Tongkat Ali 2.5g ( cycle 5 days on, 2 days off), Ashwagandha KSM-66 600mg, Magnesium 800mg and Zinc 30mg.
I do also 3 times a week full body training at the gym, results are below.


First test: 22.4 nmol/L = 646 ng/dL
second test (when on supplements): 46.9 nmol/L= 1352 ng/dL
Third test (when stopped for 2 months with supplements) 21.2 nmol/L=611 ng/dL

How long were you running this stack, how far apart were the two tests?
What form of zinc did you use?

 

[RichardSpencel]

Bump,I'm starting 20k vit d ,5mg K2 today, hopefully i Get t levels up to 1000 from 770

 

[Spinc]

@Xulane How are you pacing your doses throughout the day? And do you take them all with food? Want to make sure I'm following you exactly

 

[Xulane]

@Spinc morning: D3, K2 and Tongkat ali
Evening: zinc, Magnesium and Ashwagandha.
But you can also split up the Tongkat ali
I do that when I go to the gym I do half dose in morning and other 1 hout before gym.

 

[Spinc]

@Spinc morning: D3, K2 and Tongkat ali
Evening: zinc, Magnesium and Ashwagandha.
But you can also split up the Tongkat ali
I do that when I go to the gym I do half dose in morning and other 1 hout before gym.

Thanks for the info. Do you spread them like that because they absorb better that way, or just because it's easier than swallowing them all at once?

 

[Xulane]

@Spinc yes I'm a lazy person, so it makes it easier to take many pills at once.

 

[Deleted member 10949]

Wouldnt this too much shut your natural production off?

Also take DHEA with this stack

 

[Xulane]

Wouldnt this too much shut your natural production off?

Also take DHEA with this stack

No because it's not synthetic Testosterone its natural produced.
Doctor looked at my balls when checked levels and they didn't shrink.

 

[Deleted member 10949]

No because it's not synthetic Testosterone its natural produced.
Doctor looked at my balls when checked levels and they didn't shrink.

Yeah but didnt it decrease your T by 30 - 40 when you stopped taking

 

[Xulane]

Yeah but didnt it decrease your T by 30 - 40 when you stopped taking

Yes, but there are many factors can cause a drop, T levels are never stable.
For example a bad sleep can cause a good drop.

 

[Deleted member 10949]

Yes, but there are many factors can cause a drop, T levels are never stable.
For example a bad sleep can cause a good drop.

I see so it does go back to normal right?

lets say your genetic T is at 800 it would go back to there if you sleep good and your nutrition is good

 

[Xulane]

I see so it does go back to normal right?

lets say your genetic T is at 800 it would go back to there if you sleep good and your nutrition is good

Maybe man, there are way to many factors you can look those up.

 

[.👽.]

Holy shit OP, I started today, had no idea how hard it was to get these quantities in, but I am going SLIGHTLY lower than you, because I know D3 at 50,000ui can be toxic, so in going half on the d3, K2, and ashwagandha.

The problem is tongkat Ali, I got this one below, which Amazon assures me is tongkat Ali, but Jesus Christ it's the worst thing I ever tasted, how the hell do you take it? I just plain scooped the powder onto my tongue!

View attachment 939622

Yes it tastes sooo fking terrible im closde to puking every time.

I put a little bit water in my mouth, than out the pulver directly in my mouth and swallow it fast. You will still taste it but not as bad as when you put it in a glass and drink it

 

[.👽.]

I put the powder on my tongue and throw in some water before. Now I make capsules so theres no taste

Which capsules are u using?

 

[Xulane]

Which capsules are u using?

000 capsules

 

[Spinc]

000 capsules

Hey man, I'm looking for sources of Tongkat Ali that are cheaper to ship to Australia. Is this one as good quality as your source?

Tongkat Ali Longjack, 240000 mg (per serving), 120 Quick Release Capsules

Tongkat Ali Longjack is a rare herb, it contains various compounds, most notably quassinoids and alkaloids. PipingRock provides 1,200 mg capsule. Order here.

au.pipingrock.com

I noticed it mentions a 200:1 ratio, not sure what that means?

If you're not sure either, I'll probably just stick with your source for now.

 

[ObamasLastName]

For those playing at home, this is what a daily dose looks like

So much ash god damn

 

[tyronelite]

@Xulane do they have Tongkat in capsule form?
im currently taking
- Ashwaganda
- Maca Root
- Mg & Zinc
- Vit D gummies
- Cialis

 

[tyronelite]

Yeah I got the tongkat Ali on Amazon, this one linked.

Not sure about the 50k ui D3 though, isn't that dangerous even with magnesium? I currently take pills that claim to be 5k, and take 2, was gonna up it maybe to 20k to begin, also linked below

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Are the Tung capsules legit ? I’m about to order

 

[Chinacurry]

Are the Tung capsules legit ? I’m about to order

Which is that? Show a pic

 

[everythingisacope]

@Xulane do they have Tongkat in capsule form?
im currently taking
- Ashwaganda
- Maca Root
- Mg & Zinc
- Vit D gummies
- Cialis

would not use cialis on some useless tinder pussy, only on special ocasions unless u are E.D. cel

 

[tyronelite]

Which is that? Show a pic

look back at the thread I replied to

 

[Deleted member 10142]

Yo broski theres this other Pine Pollen shit would you be able to test it out for boosting T levels lots people say its just as a fucking Test Cycle

 

[Chinacurry]

look back at the thread I replied to

Ah sorry u mean the tongkat? Yes I think it's fine, go ahead.
Not had blood work done since I started, but I had sex 15 times this weekend, so it should be fine

 

[tyronelite]

Ah sorry u mean the tongkat? Yes I think it's fine, go ahead.
Not had blood work done since I started, but I had sex 15 times this weekend, so it should be fine

Word yeah I’d rather get the capsules then the powder that tastes like shit lol

 

[amnestics]

so anyone else besides OP tested?

 

[Chinacurry]

Word yeah I’d rather get the capsules then the powder that tastes like shit lol

I'm not sure on quality, so I alternate, one day powder, one day capsules

 

[whiteissuperior]

I wanna hop on this. What brand do you use for each? Can you make an Amazon wish list

 

[Spinc]

Okay guys, here are my results after 2 months on Xulane’s protocol:

Before
Testosterone: 14.8 nmol/L (426 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 110 pmol/L
SHBG: 28 nmol/L

After
Testosterone: 27.6 mol/L (796 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 89 pmol/L
SHBG: 41 nmol/L

So, just about doubled my test. Not as good as Xulane’s results, but I suspect that adding full body workouts could help fill in the gap. Next, I’m going to try that, plus seeing if I can lower the Vitamin D intake (it’s a freakin' lot). Taking the supplements in the evening could have interesting results, too.

Exact dosages:

Tongkat Ali: 2.2g (Two 000 Capsules)

Longjack Extract (Tongkat Ali)

Tongkat ali (Eurycoma longifolia) also known as Longjack may help maintain a healthy mood and contribute to a calm feeling of overall well-being. Tongkat Ali benefits both men and women, especially those who are involved in sports or strength-oriented activities.

www.bulksupplements.com

Vitamin K2: 5000mcg (5 Softgels)

Super K vitamins for anti-calcification | Life Extension Europe

Vitamin K1, K2 (MK-4 and MK-7) vitamins can support anti-calcification of arteries, strong bones and healthy heart. Shop a for high-qulity supplement.

www.lifeextensioneurope.com

Vitamin D: 50,000 IU (5 Sofgels)

Now Foods, Highest Potency Vitamin D-3, 10,000 IU, 120 Softgels

au.iherb.com

Ashwagandha: 600mg (1 Capsule)

NutraBio Labs, Ashwagandha KSM-66, 600 mg, 90 Veggie Capsules

au.iherb.com

Zinc Chelate: 25mg (1 Capsule)

Natural Factors, Zinc Chelate, 25 mg, 90 Tablets

au.iherb.com

Magnesium Bisglycinate: 200mg (1 Scoop)

Natural Factors, Magnesium Bisglycinate, Pure, 200 mg, 4.2 oz (120 g)

au.iherb.com

Notes:

Used exact same source for Tongkat Ali and K2
Tongkat Ali was taken 5 days a week, everything else was 7 days
Everything taken in one go in the morning
Magnesium was in powder form
No bodybuilding/cardio

Other supplements I was taking daily:

12mg Astaxanthin (For Skin Tone)
10mg Lycopene (For Skin Tone)
25,000 IU Beta Carotene (For Skin Tone)
2.5g Fermented Cod Liver Oil + Concentrated Butter Oil (Additional Testosterone)
4 Brazil Nuts for Selenium (Additional Testosterone)

 

[MewingJBP]

did you feel any different? your shbg went up quite a bit kinda so it makes higher test kind of meaningless

 

[oldcelloser]

50k iu vitamin d3 a day

Tf??

not sustainable, not healthy, also lab error 100 percent, cause thats steroid level dose; supplements should not be megadosed, as theres too many impurities in them nowadays

 

[Lars]

Okay guys, here are my results after 2 months on Xulane’s protocol:

Before
Testosterone: 14.8 nmol/L (426 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 110 pmol/L
SHBG: 28 nmol/L

After
Testosterone: 27.6 mol/L (796 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 89 pmol/L
SHBG: 41 nmol/L

So, just about doubled my test. Not as good as Xulane’s results, but I suspect that adding full body workouts could help fill in the gap. Next, I’m going to try that, plus seeing if I can lower the Vitamin D intake (it’s a freakin' lot). Taking the supplements in the evening could have interesting results, too.

Exact dosages:

Tongkat Ali: 2.2g (Two 000 Capsules)

Longjack Extract (Tongkat Ali)

Tongkat ali (Eurycoma longifolia) also known as Longjack may help maintain a healthy mood and contribute to a calm feeling of overall well-being. Tongkat Ali benefits both men and women, especially those who are involved in sports or strength-oriented activities.

www.bulksupplements.com

Vitamin K2: 5000mcg (5 Softgels)

Super K vitamins for anti-calcification | Life Extension Europe

Vitamin K1, K2 (MK-4 and MK-7) vitamins can support anti-calcification of arteries, strong bones and healthy heart. Shop a for high-qulity supplement.

www.lifeextensioneurope.com

Vitamin D: 50,000 IU (5 Sofgels)

Now Foods, Highest Potency Vitamin D-3, 10,000 IU, 120 Softgels

au.iherb.com

Ashwagandha: 600mg (1 Capsule)

NutraBio Labs, Ashwagandha KSM-66, 600 mg, 90 Veggie Capsules

au.iherb.com

Zinc Chelate: 25mg (1 Capsule)

Natural Factors, Zinc Chelate, 25 mg, 90 Tablets

au.iherb.com

Magnesium Bisglycinate: 200mg (1 Scoop)

Natural Factors, Magnesium Bisglycinate, Pure, 200 mg, 4.2 oz (120 g)

au.iherb.com

Notes:

Used exact same source for Tongkat Ali and K2
Tongkat Ali was taken 5 days a week, everything else was 7 days
Everything taken in one go in the morning
Magnesium was in powder form
No bodybuilding/cardio

Other supplements I was taking daily:

12mg Astaxanthin (For Skin Tone)
10mg Lycopene (For Skin Tone)
25,000 IU Beta Carotene (For Skin Tone)
2.5g Fermented Cod Liver Oil + Concentrated Butter Oil (Additional Testosterone)
4 Brazil Nuts for Selenium (Additional Testosterone)

damnn bro well done i am gonna measure my T in 2 months and will hop on if not satysfied only need to add Tongkat and Vitamine K

 

[RecessedPrettyboy]

Okay guys, here are my results after 2 months on Xulane’s protocol:

Before
Testosterone: 14.8 nmol/L (426 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 110 pmol/L
SHBG: 28 nmol/L

After
Testosterone: 27.6 mol/L (796 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 89 pmol/L
SHBG: 41 nmol/L

So, just about doubled my test. Not as good as Xulane’s results, but I suspect that adding full body workouts could help fill in the gap. Next, I’m going to try that, plus seeing if I can lower the Vitamin D intake (it’s a freakin' lot). Taking the supplements in the evening could have interesting results, too.

Exact dosages:

Tongkat Ali: 2.2g (Two 000 Capsules)

Longjack Extract (Tongkat Ali)

Tongkat ali (Eurycoma longifolia) also known as Longjack may help maintain a healthy mood and contribute to a calm feeling of overall well-being. Tongkat Ali benefits both men and women, especially those who are involved in sports or strength-oriented activities.

www.bulksupplements.com

Vitamin K2: 5000mcg (5 Softgels)

Super K vitamins for anti-calcification | Life Extension Europe

Vitamin K1, K2 (MK-4 and MK-7) vitamins can support anti-calcification of arteries, strong bones and healthy heart. Shop a for high-qulity supplement.

www.lifeextensioneurope.com

Vitamin D: 50,000 IU (5 Sofgels)

Now Foods, Highest Potency Vitamin D-3, 10,000 IU, 120 Softgels

au.iherb.com

Ashwagandha: 600mg (1 Capsule)

NutraBio Labs, Ashwagandha KSM-66, 600 mg, 90 Veggie Capsules

au.iherb.com

Zinc Chelate: 25mg (1 Capsule)

Natural Factors, Zinc Chelate, 25 mg, 90 Tablets

au.iherb.com

Magnesium Bisglycinate: 200mg (1 Scoop)

Natural Factors, Magnesium Bisglycinate, Pure, 200 mg, 4.2 oz (120 g)

au.iherb.com

Notes:

Used exact same source for Tongkat Ali and K2
Tongkat Ali was taken 5 days a week, everything else was 7 days
Everything taken in one go in the morning
Magnesium was in powder form
No bodybuilding/cardio

Other supplements I was taking daily:

12mg Astaxanthin (For Skin Tone)
10mg Lycopene (For Skin Tone)
25,000 IU Beta Carotene (For Skin Tone)
2.5g Fermented Cod Liver Oil + Concentrated Butter Oil (Additional Testosterone)
4 Brazil Nuts for Selenium (Additional Testosterone)

so u take 2.2g of tongkat ali per day?

 

[alligatordude]

D

Okay guys, here are my results after 2 months on Xulane’s protocol:

Before
Testosterone: 14.8 nmol/L (426 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 110 pmol/L
SHBG: 28 nmol/L

After
Testosterone: 27.6 mol/L (796 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 89 pmol/L
SHBG: 41 nmol/L

So, just about doubled my test. Not as good as Xulane’s results, but I suspect that adding full body workouts could help fill in the gap. Next, I’m going to try that, plus seeing if I can lower the Vitamin D intake (it’s a freakin' lot). Taking the supplements in the evening could have interesting results, too.

Exact dosages:

Tongkat Ali: 2.2g (Two 000 Capsules)

Longjack Extract (Tongkat Ali)

Tongkat ali (Eurycoma longifolia) also known as Longjack may help maintain a healthy mood and contribute to a calm feeling of overall well-being. Tongkat Ali benefits both men and women, especially those who are involved in sports or strength-oriented activities.

www.bulksupplements.com

Vitamin K2: 5000mcg (5 Softgels)

Super K vitamins for anti-calcification | Life Extension Europe

Vitamin K1, K2 (MK-4 and MK-7) vitamins can support anti-calcification of arteries, strong bones and healthy heart. Shop a for high-qulity supplement.

www.lifeextensioneurope.com

Vitamin D: 50,000 IU (5 Sofgels)

Now Foods, Highest Potency Vitamin D-3, 10,000 IU, 120 Softgels

au.iherb.com

Ashwagandha: 600mg (1 Capsule)

NutraBio Labs, Ashwagandha KSM-66, 600 mg, 90 Veggie Capsules

au.iherb.com

Zinc Chelate: 25mg (1 Capsule)

Natural Factors, Zinc Chelate, 25 mg, 90 Tablets

au.iherb.com

Magnesium Bisglycinate: 200mg (1 Scoop)

Natural Factors, Magnesium Bisglycinate, Pure, 200 mg, 4.2 oz (120 g)

au.iherb.com

Notes:

Used exact same source for Tongkat Ali and K2
Tongkat Ali was taken 5 days a week, everything else was 7 days
Everything taken in one go in the morning
Magnesium was in powder form
No bodybuilding/cardio

Other supplements I was taking daily:

12mg Astaxanthin (For Skin Tone)
10mg Lycopene (For Skin Tone)
25,000 IU Beta Carotene (For Skin Tone)
2.5g Fermented Cod Liver Oil + Concentrated Butter Oil (Additional Testosterone)
4 Brazil Nuts for Selenium (Additional Testosterone)

Are u noticing the deepening of your voice at all

 

[alligatordude]

so u take 2.2g of tongkat ali per day?

Must be some shitty extract

no way ur taking 2.2g of a 200:1 extract of tongkat Ali

if u are that’s so ridiculously overkill

the normal good dose for tongkat Ali is like 400mg a day for 200:1 extract,

 

[RecessedPrettyboy]

Must be some shitty extract

no way ur taking 2.2g of a 200:1 extract of tongkat Ali

if u are that’s so ridiculously overkill

the normal good dose for tongkat Ali is like 400mg a day for 200:1 extract,

yea thats what I didnt understand
usual dosage is 400-800mg

 

[RecessedPrettyboy]

Must be some shitty extract

no way ur taking 2.2g of a 200:1 extract of tongkat Ali

if u are that’s so ridiculously overkill

the normal good dose for tongkat Ali is like 400mg a day for 200:1 extract,

I looked in the website they bought it from it says the extract is 100:1

 

[Spinc]

did you feel any different? your shbg went up quite a bit kinda so it makes higher test kind of meaningless

That's a good point. Nah don't really feel different. May have to look into lowering shbg with boron etc.

not sustainable, not healthy, also lab error 100 percent, cause thats steroid level dose; supplements should not be megadosed, as theres too many impurities in them nowadays

All the rest of my bloods are fine, no signs of anything unhealthy.

Aren't steroids more in the 3000-5000ng/dl range? A couple hundred doesn't seem anywhere near that.

I'll do another blood test soon, but these results are very similar to OP's, so it doesn't seem likely to be just an error for both of us.

Interesting point in impurities. Not all brands are made equal.

damnn bro well done i am gonna measure my T in 2 months and will hop on if not satysfied only need to add Tongkat and Vitamine K

Yeah go for it

so u take 2.2g of tongkat ali per day?

Yep

D

Are u noticing the deepening of your voice at all

Nope

Must be some shitty extract

no way ur taking 2.2g of a 200:1 extract of tongkat Ali

if u are that’s so ridiculously overkill

the normal good dose for tongkat Ali is like 400mg a day for 200:1 extract,

Just following the original protocol. I'm going to start experimenting with different dosages. I agree that less is better where possible.

 

[Lars]

Okay guys, here are my results after 2 months on Xulane’s protocol:

Before
Testosterone: 14.8 nmol/L (426 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 110 pmol/L
SHBG: 28 nmol/L

After
Testosterone: 27.6 mol/L (796 ng/dL)
Oestradiol: 89 pmol/L
SHBG: 41 nmol/L

So, just about doubled my test. Not as good as Xulane’s results, but I suspect that adding full body workouts could help fill in the gap. Next, I’m going to try that, plus seeing if I can lower the Vitamin D intake (it’s a freakin' lot). Taking the supplements in the evening could have interesting results, too.

Exact dosages:

Tongkat Ali: 2.2g (Two 000 Capsules)

Longjack Extract (Tongkat Ali)

Tongkat ali (Eurycoma longifolia) also known as Longjack may help maintain a healthy mood and contribute to a calm feeling of overall well-being. Tongkat Ali benefits both men and women, especially those who are involved in sports or strength-oriented activities.

www.bulksupplements.com

Vitamin K2: 5000mcg (5 Softgels)

Super K vitamins for anti-calcification | Life Extension Europe

Vitamin K1, K2 (MK-4 and MK-7) vitamins can support anti-calcification of arteries, strong bones and healthy heart. Shop a for high-qulity supplement.

www.lifeextensioneurope.com

Vitamin D: 50,000 IU (5 Sofgels)

Now Foods, Highest Potency Vitamin D-3, 10,000 IU, 120 Softgels

au.iherb.com

Ashwagandha: 600mg (1 Capsule)

NutraBio Labs, Ashwagandha KSM-66, 600 mg, 90 Veggie Capsules

au.iherb.com

Zinc Chelate: 25mg (1 Capsule)

Natural Factors, Zinc Chelate, 25 mg, 90 Tablets

au.iherb.com

Magnesium Bisglycinate: 200mg (1 Scoop)

Natural Factors, Magnesium Bisglycinate, Pure, 200 mg, 4.2 oz (120 g)

au.iherb.com

Notes:

Used exact same source for Tongkat Ali and K2
Tongkat Ali was taken 5 days a week, everything else was 7 days
Everything taken in one go in the morning
Magnesium was in powder form
No bodybuilding/cardio

Other supplements I was taking daily:

12mg Astaxanthin (For Skin Tone)
10mg Lycopene (For Skin Tone)
25,000 IU Beta Carotene (For Skin Tone)
2.5g Fermented Cod Liver Oil + Concentrated Butter Oil (Additional Testosterone)
4 Brazil Nuts for Selenium (Additional Testosterone)

is the tongkat ali a normal dose or do you also giga dose that like vitamine d? and how do you measure you tongat ali and you stop in the weekend when you off cycle?

 

[Lihito]

Did you fuck The nurse when she was mirin your Huge balls

Hello, few months ago I went to test my testosterone levels when I was experimenting with supplements.
When the results cam back the doctor was me if I was taking any roids and she took a look at my balls.
My balls where normal size, because I raised my T-levels in a natural way.

Stack: 50k D3 daily + k2 5000mgc (for countering blood calcium), Tongkat Ali 2.5g ( cycle 5 days on, 2 days off), Ashwagandha KSM-66 600mg, Magnesium 800mg and Zinc 30mg.
I do also 3 times a week full body training at the gym, results are below.


First test: 22.4 nmol/L = 646 ng/dL
second test (when on supplements): 46.9 nmol/L= 1352 ng/dL
Third test (when stopped for 2 months with supplements) 21.2 nmol/L=611 nDid YL

 

[Lihito]

1352 ng/dL is a level of a guy on low dose test cycle. I cant really believe that this result was not a mistake by the lab.
Did you notice a difference on agression/libido/mood??
With 50k D3 you are already in a very risky dosage for your kidney.

This is The type of comment greycells forget to read and end up in intensive care JFL at our kidneys

 

[Spinc]

is the tongkat ali a normal dose or do you also giga dose that like vitamine d? and how do you measure you tongat ali and you stop in the weekend when you off cycle?

Yep, the Tongkat Ali dose is well above normal. I use a digital micro scale, very cheap and accurate. And yeah, I take the weekend off.

This is The type of comment greycells forget to read and end up in intensive care JFL at our kidneys

Well that's what the K2 is for. But yes, regular checkups are recommended to make sure everything's fine.

 

[Deleted member 9511]

how big of a component is the tongat ali

think just slamming a bunch of d3 and k2 would produce a jump in test as well?

I don't need 1400 ng dl or w/e but it woudl be nice to be in the higher range

 

[Lars]

Please post this on r/moreplatesmoredates i am really intrested whats dereks opinion is about tonkat ali

 

[Doober]

Lol sounds like methylated prohormones may be in ur sups

 

[cube]

Please post this on r/moreplatesmoredates i am really intrested whats dereks opinion is about tonkat ali

i dmed this post to him a while back and he didnt respond