Serious Temporal peaks are crucial for aesthetics and often completely ignored

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"Temporal peaks usually can make a hairline look much lower or higher than it actually is, just by their positioning - more frontal (shortening the distance between each contralateral peak) or more posterior (increasing their distance). We can rapidly infer from this that the closer they’re together, the smaller the forehead looks and the wider they’re positioned, the opposite occurs."

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We can see this pretty clearly if we look at Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt. This was actually pointed out to me by Dr. Jose Lorenzo when we were discussing hairlines and temporal peaks."

Note how despite being a hair transplant surgeon, who should know this better than his own name, this was pointed to him by another doctor (!).

Browsing the web we can see that the bluepill reigns supreme with most hair transplant surgeons, this is a response by one:


"Dear Jacob_93, Thank you for posting this question. You’re quite observant. It’s true: overly low or full temporal recessions (where the hairline meets ends on each side of the hairline) are a common sign of a hair transplant procedure. Why is this? Because it’s a subtle aspect of the artistry of hair restoration, and many doctors who are less experienced are not aware of many of the hundreds of the aesthetic decision making that goes into hair transplant surgery. The truth is that many patients will ask for *more* hair in these areas, and to make their patients happy, the less-experienced hair transplant surgeon will oblige, and “fill up the corners” as my patients often say. It’s intuitive that hair in the corners looks more youthful. However, it’s important to remember that not everyone can pull off that look. Full corners are more suitable for more round faces, African American faces, and some other cultures where the hairline is naturally rather straight across. You appear to be a Caucasian man, and you would look definitely odd with temporal recessions that were aggressively filled in. It’s a sign of having been “done” in this industry. As the old adage goes, “the good thing about the results of a hair transplant surgery is that they are permanent; the bad thing is that they are permanent.” As men of Caucasian descent tend to have oval faces, being conservative in the temporal recessions is key. Many Caucasian men *start* to lose hair in this very area. If it is overly-done, and too aggressive, then as more hair loss occurs in the future, it can look incongruous. You’re only 32. You could develop crown loss at age 40. Then by 45 you might have a tennis-ball sized spot in the crown. Achieving 100% total crown coverage with hair restoration surgery is difficult, and occasionally impossible due to intrinsic factors of the patient (eg: hair shaft diameters, hair color vs scalp color, etc.) So, suppose you’re going to have a surgery to cover the bald spot when you’re 45...so you will have some coverage, but it will be evident that there’s a light area and you have some hair loss in the crown. However, if your temporal recessions have been 100% corrected, and there’s no loss there, that usually looks unusual in a Caucasian man. So, it’s often best to tread lightly in the temporal recessions as the newly constructed hairline must literally be timeless in nature. It has to look natural when you’re 32, and when you’re 82. I hope this information is helpful to you. Kind Regards, Ken Anderson, MD, FISHRS"

The coping and gaslighting is too much. Jfl at the round face ethnic teenager cope, let's take a look at some white men over 30 years old with prominent temporal peaks, edited to have the "age coherent perfect hairline" with less prominent temples that this man thinks is ideal:

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He may have a point in the sense of covering more balding areas in the future, but he is wrong with regards to aesthetics.
This is a great morph by Feriduni, it's Brad Pitt (old caucasian man with age incoherent hairline, like that doctor would say) with recessed temples on side profile. Left original, right morphed.
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Big descension, looks much worse with less prominent temples.

Tyson Ballou (another old caucasian man with age incoherent hairline) edit found here
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BIG descension too.

The only thing that I see that is common for white people with that kind of temple prominence is that they have an ideal forehead slope, not vertical but close to it.

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It think that kind of almost straight forehead is needed to the temporal peaks to look natural (and not the bs of round face teenager non caucasian guy said by that doctor).

Basically, find a blackpilled surgeon and have a forehead like that (or a custom forehead implant before the hair transplant if yours is too sloped).
Most hair transplant surgeons seem to don't know shit about what makes a face good looking from what I've read.

This clearly blackpilled, high IQ man had a hair transplant with the goal of having a Brad Pitt/Tyson Ballou type hairline, with very prominent temples. Could he have a much better face and be leaner? Yes. Does he look way better than before with his recessed temples? Yes.

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Copy/pasting last video's description

"The temporal peak is a luxury necessity in hair restoration and is a point of definition and individuality. Temporal peaks frame a face and produce symmetry by the effect eyebrow contouring. It is the third component in a triple layer framing effect; the eyelashes contour the eyes, which are contoured by the eyebrows, contoured by the temporal peaks - a rarely discussed concept (Lawlor K, 2021).

They have a drastic effect on the perception of facial proportions and produce a point of focality that the eye is drawn to. Loss of temporal peaks produce a larger face, that can look "balding" and less attractive. With loss of this vertical framing, increased facial width becomes visually unaesthetic as youthful aesthetic ratios are absent, and facial fat becomes perceived as overweight/bloating.
In opposition, bringing in the temporal peaks improves ratios and enhances all facial components by creating a narrower field of view via a closer frame. This effect draws the viewer's eye inwards when looking at the face - lips, eyes, brows and forehead become exaggerated, which is perceived as more youthful. In essence, temporal peaks create physical identity and closely associate with youth.

Coronal sites produce the flattest angles and are best suited for temporal peak design to mimic nature as close as possible. As an implanted graft heals and scarring occurs around it, it actually rises several degrees upwards from the original angle implanted. This is why having the graft as perpendicular as possible is key to a natural outcome when healed. Sagittal sites are often used on by others in this field for temporal peak design, producing a design where hair exits the skin at a higher angle, sticking out in a way that does not occur in nature.
This is why temporal peaks are often botched, yielding an unnatural appearance that does not enhance the aesthetic profile - in fact it draws attention to something "off" in the person. Temporal peaks are, unequivocally, the most advanced area in hair restoration surgery. Simply put, they will either enhance or disfigure a person - there is no middle ground. "


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That kind of hairline with prominent temples is one of the key aspects to look good with a buzzcut or pull any hairstyle. Both buzzcut and curtains look equally good on both. I'm starting to think that this is what women refer to as "effortlessly beautiful", someone that looks good no matter what...basically, brutal upper third pill. Does someone look good just with a certain hairstyle despite top tier features in general? 100% sure subpar hairline and/or forehead.

And then some hair transplant surgeons, who should know this better than their own names, have the audacity to say that a Norwood 1.5-2 hairline with receding temples is ideal for men...unbelievable.

PS. this is all I know about hairlines, I'm not an expert. Please don't dm me for hair advice, use the forum's search function or contact an expert instead.
 
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Good thread. Isn't TPs the first spots one loses their hair from androgens?
 
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there are a million threads about it already.

The thing is that no one will waste precious graphs on something that is at the bottom of importance
 
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Good thread. Isn't TPs the first spots one loses their hair from androgens?

Thanks! Yes.


Your avi forgot to order the temporal points to his doctor, that's quite funny isn't it?

there are a million threads about it already.

The thing is that no one will waste precious graphs on something that is at the bottom of importance

There are very few threads about it.
Clearly a very important feature, you are either dumb or coping.
 
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Excellent thread, I've been thinking about it as well, temples are very important for overall upperthird harmony. This is why hairstyles with skinfade and too high temple fades look extremely retarded.
 
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Your avi forgot to order the temporal points to his doctor, that's quite funny isn't it?
When I saw Thurston HT results I was like wtf he got scammed. Just disappointing after.

You seem somewhat knowledgeable why didn't you reply - I tagged you at the hips megathread.
 
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When I saw Thurston HT results I was like wtf he got scammed.

You seem somewhat knowledgeable why didn't you reply - I tagged you at the hips megathread.

His ht could have been much better, that's true.
Sorry, didn't see the tag. Also don't know shit about hips so I doubt I could be helpful either.
 
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There are very few threads about it.
Clearly a very important feature, you are either dumb or coping.
yeah, so important that there are a GL men without it. but idc. that wasn't the point of my post

the point was go ahead and slap HT grafts there when in the future you will need them on the top your head balding
 
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I’m actually potentially going to be getting a ht specifically on my temple points. I’ve never had dense or noticeable temple points even as a kid it was lightly blonde. No one In my family loses hair, so Dr bloxham out of nyc might help me out. Here’s my 25 year old hairline (widows peak and flat temple peaks always been this way — don’t tell me I’m losing hair because I always have the thickest hair according to the barber) will also post a pic of 55 yo dads hair and 50+ year old moms brothers hair as reference to my family genetics.
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I’m actually potentially going to be getting a ht specifically on my temple points. I’ve never had dense or noticeable temple points even as a kid it was lightly blonde. No one In my family loses hair, so Dr bloxham out of nyc might help me out. Here’s my 25 year old hairline (widows peak and flat temple peaks always been this way — don’t tell me I’m losing hair because I always have the thickest hair according to the barber) will also post a pic of 55 yo dads hair and 50+ year old moms brothers hair as reference to my family genetics.
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My case is very similar, I never had very noticeable temple points. They receded a bit and hairline became V shaped at 25, but still look the same currently at 30 yo. I also have a very sloped forehead, and plan to have a custom forehead implant to reduce the slope before the hair transplant.
Please keep us updated, transplant specifically on the temples with aesthetics in mind is something rarely seen and barely discussed.
 
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My case is very similar, I never had very noticeable temple points. They receded a bit and hairline became V shaped at 25, but still look the same currently at 30 yo. I also have a very sloped forehead, and plan to have a custom forehead implant to reduce the slope before the hair transplant.
Please keep us updated, transplant specifically on the temples with aesthetics in mind is something rarely seen and barely discussed.
This is my forehead. Think it’s ideal for masculinity. The only other guy I see with a similar forehead is Jason momoa. I wonder if it’s due to Neanderthal DNA?
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His eyebrow density mogs mine obviously.
 
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This is my forehead. Think it’s ideal for masculinity. The only other guy I see with a similar forehead is Jason momoa. I wonder if it’s due to Neanderthal DNA?
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His eyebrow density mogs mine obviously.

Hard to tell because your pic is more a 3/4 view than a side profile, but you seem to have an overly protrusive browridge more than an overly sloped forehead. Momoa has both. I'm not a fan of the look, but is better than a rounded forehead like ie Aaron Paul.


Ideal browridge is less prominent but sharper, low set, and the forehead slope must be less than the nose. If the forehead is so sloped that it follows the same angle as the nasal bridge, it's not aesthetic.

This is ideal
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That's my CT scan in addition to a pic of my forehead without covering it with the curtains haircut, I have a big browridge (but not as much as yours) with a very sloped forehead (and receding temples) coupled to a low nose bridge (for which I'll also get a rhino, to resemble more the side profiles noses above in terms of nose bridge height).

I understand Jason Momoa's appeal to women but I don't strive to look like that, the examples above have more conventionally attractive/aesthetic upper thirds. It's true such a big browridge and sloped forehead is masculine and neanderthal-ish, and way better tha a forehead like Aaron Paul's, but not ideal IMO.
 
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just doodled a quick outline of what my hairline could look like. Don't have the $10k usd needed for it right now however D: Hairline
 

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