💀 The 3 Most Important Craniofacial Plane Angles for Aesthetics [3D Morphs]

Mandibular Plane Angle

Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

 

[thecel]

this girl went from brachy to meso. now her hardmaxx ceiling is higher. this seems cheap in taiwan, will you get this thecel?? I need this for the advancements I have in mind

yea I’m gonna get a forehead implant to Caucasoid prominent forehead maxx

 

[thecel]

Mirin the high iq thread.
If I could study in something similar, what could it be because I absolutely love this.

I don’t fucking know the answer brooooo

 

[ostri99]

yea I’m gonna get a forehead implant to Caucasoid prominent forehead maxx

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me too, I can't wait. it frames the eyes nicely. No wonder kpop guys always fraud caucasoid skull with this haircut, they look like shit when they buzz for military. 2 psl descension if they dont have it.

 

[Lars2]

congrats on BOTB

 

[menas]

Cheers bhai, Let's celebrate by letting me comment on your profile, shall we?

@thecel

 

[CorinthianLOX]

good thread

 

[svarddre]

Borderline subhuman on the temporal angle

 

[svarddre]

My temporal plane is as fucked as it gets for being too wide but surely this can be easily frauded by shaping the hair?

The mandibular plane can be unfucked by bimax quite easily too.

The orbitomaxillary plane is the one that giga fucks you and can’t be fixed without some insane combination of OBO, LF2 and forehead and cheekbone implants.


also is it just me that can’t see the OP at all? Had to scroll down and read it by quotes

Yeah I fraud this with a long middle part

 

[Traxanas]

@thecel is the only user that matters on this fucking forum.

 

[julioo27_]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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repped it, very good stuff

 

[ostri99]

shit, temporal angle only gets worse with age

 

[Traxanas]

shit, temporal angle only gets worse with age

Unlikely, I think that’s to do with fat, not bone

 

[EthiopianMaxxer]

wow mirin botb

 

[bottleofwater]

@thecel for the mandibular plane angle, is that why people with a short ramus/downward growth have a long philtrum? Because the maxilla id getting longer?

Because I have a short ramus and a long philtrum, and I think it might be correlated because in that animation the maxilla was getting longer the worse the mandible angle became

 

[bottleofwater]

this girl went from brachy to meso. now her hardmaxx ceiling is higher. this seems cheap in taiwan, will you get this thecel?? I need this for the advancements I have in mind

Ill be getting this im glad im not the only one speaking about cranial implants

 

[AscendingHero]

With wide eurions/parietals, when the temporal bone widens, does it also brings the orbitals narrow inward and vice versa or...?

Reminds me of the PSL1 Skull study

Can the bone grow outside of the orbital box, outside of the orbits in independent fashion or it's all interconnected? Any information on the skull growth patterns there?

 

[AscendingHero]

Please make a thread on ideal skull length/wide/height including raw measurements (inches, cm/mms) in the 3d planes

As well as the importance of the brain case/volume -> and the subsequent raw length measurements of succeeding cranial features (mandible, orbits, cheekbones, dry bone, excluding soft tissue and then including it, etc etc

 

[AscendingHero]

Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Really good examples ideal and dysfunctional skull growth occurs

Here some elaborative gifs from old cranial base threads on skull growth, also from that famous cranial base toplogy study


Gifs don't seem to be attaching but see if you can see them here

+Pictures

Noticed the sheer displacement and then remodelling of the project bones, the projected nasal cavity, the projected anterior cranial fossa (houses the forehead, frontal lobes, roof of the orbits, etc

on the cranial base

archived 18 Jul 2019 08:58:18 UTC

archive.fo

 

[blahblahblahblahbla]

Isnt 12.5 mpa too low? Mine is 12 ( 7.2cm ramus) and i look subhuman af. You had need a giga tall ramus for it to look good tbh

 

[Futura]

Slower Animations with Ideal Angles Indicated

Mandibular Plane (Single)
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Orbitomaxillary Plane (Bilateral)
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Temporal Plane (Bilateral)
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@mandiblade @psilocybin @AscendingHero @iblamemandible7 @Klasik616 @emeraldglass

In the orbitomaxillary plane u can still have flatter supras (not fully) but i think it's like 0.00000001% chance to have both extreme forward maxilla frontal bone glabella and have the sides of frontal bone also as forward grown

Also obviously thr angles don't always change like that u can have worse temporal angle due to simply close set orbitals

 

[gogogoogodg]

does lucky blue smith have good temporal plane angle?

 

[Traxanas]

does lucky blue smith have good temporal plane angle?

His are only decent, not as great. His facial bones could be more developed/bigger, if it was, then likely his temporal angle would be lower.

 

[ostri99]

Famous birdcel guy has a good angle

 

[FBl]

 

[Azie555]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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my temporal plane angle mogs everyone lowkey

 

[Azie555]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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all of these are very good at me

 

[idnap]

Mandibular Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 45º Below Horizon

Ideal Pitch: 12.5º Degrees Below Horizon

Spoiler: Examples of Good Mandibular Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Orbitomaxillary Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 2.5º Inward to 30º Outward

Ideal Yaw: 25º Outward

Spoiler: Examples of Good Orbitomaxillary Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal Plane Angle

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Animation Range: 0º to 30º

Ideal Yaw: 10º

Spoiler: Examples of Good Temporal Plane Angles

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Spoiler: Subhuman Examples

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Temporal plane... thats scary as fuck how over it could be for people... the only remedy to do this is just get more prominent facial bones to balance it out... fucking genetics

 

[buddy]

why is this so beautiful

 

[thecel]

With wide eurions/parietals, when the temporal bone widens, does it also brings the orbitals narrow inward and vice versa or...?

Reminds me of the PSL1 Skull study

Can the bone grow outside of the orbital box, outside of the orbits in independent fashion or it's all interconnected? Any information on the skull growth patterns there?
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I don’t know

 

[ostri99]

Temporal plane... thats scary as fuck how over it could be for people... the only remedy to do this is just get more prominent facial bones to balance it out... fucking genetics

@thecel I think it's tied to skull growth pattern and there's no way to reverse it even with blasting the whole farmacy

 

[MogEater]

Mirin thead,'
Craniofacial is a subtopic of cephalometric, so when we talk about cephalometric analysis, we also need to talk more about Arnett

 

[yex]

Beautiful

 

[mvp2v1]

Great thread, Its clear that there is a collapse into a single point. It’s a lack of growth in every direction. The entire skull needs expansion. Brutal thing is that surgically fixing this is out of reach for most of us

 

[LEFORT17]

Great thread, Its clear that there is a collapse into a single point. It’s a lack of growth in every direction. The entire skull needs expansion. Brutal thing is that surgically fixing this is out of reach for most of us

the only one out of those 3 is the occlusional plane angle which can be reversed since the rotation also gives an illusion of a wider jaw

 

[mvp2v1]

the only one out of those 3 is the occlusional plane angle which can be reversed since the rotation also gives an illusion of a wider jaw

Hardly, Bimax doesn’t shorten the nasal aperture (misspelled probably)

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I don’t know

check your pms

 

[ostri99]

With wide eurions/parietals, when the temporal bone widens, does it also brings the orbitals narrow inward and vice versa or...?

Reminds me of the PSL1 Skull study

Can the bone grow outside of the orbital box, outside of the orbits in independent fashion or it's all interconnected? Any information on the skull growth patterns there?
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I would expect this giga wide and low cranial vault skull to have even narrower orbital box than the other one. but it seems somewhat proportionate like the narrow skull

 

[Trinko]

Amazing thread

 

[dranja]

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Don’t be hating on dj khaled

 

[LEFORT17]

why would u wanna shorten it

Hardly, Bimax doesn’t shorten the nasal aperture (misspelled probably)

 

[AscendingHero]

I would expect this giga wide and low cranial vault skull to have even narrower orbital box than the other one. but it seems somewhat proportionate like the narrow skull

Do you think Cranial vault height in of itself has anything to do with certain facial growth patterns?

Also source on where you found those skull CTs?

 

[AscendingHero]

@thecel I think it's tied to skull growth pattern and there's no way to reverse it even with blasting the whole farmacy

You need select cortical drift + remodeling to do something like this and stimulate certain sutural growth

Geting a bigger splancho relatively can help though like he did, depends on how cooked you are to begin with

 

[AscendingHero]

neck insertion

Neck insertion? Elaborate, what's that again

Besides everything else you mentioned any other underrated or significant hall makers for facial aesthetics would you say?

 

[ostri99]

Do you think Cranial vault height in of itself has anything to do with certain facial growth patterns?

Also source on where you found those skull CTs?

short one looks good, it's another thing that helps avoid the zoomed out face look. I follow a bunch of maxfacs on ig

 

[ostri99]

You need select cortical drift + remodeling to do something like this and stimulate certain sutural growth

Geting a bigger splancho relatively can help though like he did, depends on how cooked you are to begin with

 

[AscendingHero]

short one looks good, it's another thing that helps avoid the zoomed out face look. I follow a bunch of maxfacs on ig

Zoomed face look -> Compressed and underdeveloped splancho with small orbital distances or is it something else/more?

Mind sharing some of the @s of those maxfacs you follow on IG brother?

 

[MrEnigma_]

Someone’s been lurking

 

[mandiblade]

Neck insertion? Elaborate, what's that again

This was the first result when I looked it up.

Neck Insertion Revisited: The Throat–Mandible Point

I wrote a thread back in June 2020 about the location of the foramen magnum (or "neck insertion" for short — credits to @ Bewusst). The foramen magnum is the hole at the bottom of the skull that the neck attaches to. The essential idea: forward neck insertion is bad and backward neck insertion...

looksmax.org

 

[ostri99]

Zoomed face look -> Compressed and underdeveloped splancho with small orbital distances or is it something else/more?

Mind sharing some of the @s of those maxfacs you follow on IG brother?

yeah, that seems to be it, asians tend to have it the most so that's why bone shaving/botox facial atrophy ascends them. dr_adrian_hsieh, drdanielroscher, face surgery parma, dr maxilloroma, institutomaxilofacial, federico_hernandez_alfaro, maxillo.surgery, this one is mainly fracture reconstruction

 

[mvp2v1]

why would u wanna shorten it

it becomes elongated with vertical growth. resulting in a long midface and large nose