The blackpill on development

[( ( ( d[-_-]b ) ) )]

I’ve created a monster jesus wtf is this thread

 

[Deleted member 2756]

acid and shrooms. shrooms and acid.

definitely,

it's all about drug exposure, LSD and shrooms are perfect for this. Same with cocaine, and alcohol.

 

[Deleted member 2846]

What would be your thoughts on this father son case study? Son got on orthotropic/dentofacial orthodontic therapy early on and literally undid any resemblance he had to his father, growth wise:
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interesting. that kid is one lucky bastard

 

[Golden Glass]

interesting. that kid is one lucky bastard

So you’d agree then that environment can produce *positive* change (not just prevent negative change)? This is my entire position, but obviously for children. Anyone who thinks they can get those results without osteotomies, if at all, as adults are dead wrong Mew copers

 

[Deleted member 2486]

definitely,

it's all about drug exposure, LSD and shrooms are perfect for this. Same with cocaine, and alcohol.

it can help with losing virginity and overcoming certian barriers in the beginning but they're not permanents solution

if anything it can excaberate your social phobia once u come off some of those things and try to socialise

its an extrmeely difficult topic and lookism has basically been arguing over inhib/inhib drugs/options for years and they havent reached a conclusion. ive read all threads abt it on lookism there was, i think

at the end of the day its all within your mind, aka exposure therapy, that you have to constantly maintain, like working out in the gym if you don't naturally have the skilsl to do so. and within maybe couple years your brain could permanently adapt. this is obv the hardest way and most unpleasant way and not everyone is mentally tough for it, but its one of the only legit solutions for social anxiety and impaired social skills

 

[Deleted member 2846]

So you’d agree then that environment can produce *positive* change (not just prevent negative change)? This is my entire position, but obviously for children. Anyone who thinks they can get those results without osteotomies, if at all, as adults are dead wrong Mew copers

yes

 

[LordNorwood]

2. on average they're average in looks

I know what you mean but this was said hilariously lol

 

[Golden Glass]

yes

Ayee there we go, now all that’s left is contrariancowboy @cocainecowboy

I’ll try to make my thread tomorrow.

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Ayee there we go, now all that’s left is contrariancowboy @cocainecowboy

I’ll try to make my thread tomorrow.

well i literally agreed to the same thing he just did lol. i just said it NET change is not notable enough so it changes ur dating game chances. ur arguing its big change

you showed a case study.. which is a singular case study

i bet theres a case study out there for mewing too over age of 20 (not the paki)

 

[Deleted member 685]

there's multiple factors contributing:

1. hypergamy due to media, technology and feminism
2. on average they're average in looks
3. not socially dominant, don't take opportunities with less good looking girls so they dont develop sexual confidence early on, that carries over their entire life
4. parenting problems in general, either cuck dad or overprotective mom etc.

also another reason: unironically, they spend too much time online instead of around people (girls and boys both) therefore they're less exposed to women. its just maths and numbers, being NT and "low inhib" is a lot more about exposing yourself to a large number of women therefore your chances exponentially increases. this is how ugly people get laid.

^
right place right time theory
jsut be lucky theory

Most guys here aren't average in looks.

 

[Golden Glass]

well i literally agreed to the same thing he just did lol. i just said it NET change is not notable enough so it changes ur dating game chances. ur arguing its big change

you showed a case study.. which is a singular case study

i bet theres a case study out there for mewing too over age of 20 (not the paki)

A single case study is enough to prove a general principle being possible. This is basic logic 101 stuff man. Contrariancowboy at it again

Is the Paki @Salludon? I don’t even believe he did mewing or if he did he must have gotten something cosmetic done as well.

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Most guys here aren't average in looks.

what do you mean by that? impying they're above avg?

people here on forum, on average people are average to their relative environment. relativr environment = everything

person A could be consideted chad in person B's relative environment but that doesnt mean person A is chad is his own environment, he could be dead on average. person B will overrate and boost person A ego but it doesnt translate to real life unfortunatyle cuz person B isnt aware of person A's environment

A single case study is enough to prove a general principle being possible. This is basic logic 101 stuff man. Contrariancowboy at it again

Is the Paki @Salludon? I don’t even believe he did mewing or if he did he must have gotten something cosmetic done as well.

ye well it would need to replicated couple more times at least, dont need 1000s of sample size obv.

 

[Deleted member 685]

what do you mean by that? impying they're above avg?

people here on forum, on average people are average to their relative environment. relativr environment = everything

person A could be consideted chad in person B's relative environment but that doesnt mean person A is chad is his own environment, he could be dead on average. person B will overrate and boost person A ego but it doesnt translate to real life unfortunatyle cuz person B isnt aware of person A's environment


ye well it would need to replicated couple more times at least, dont need 1000s of sample size obv.

How would you even know most people here are relative to their environment when you usually don't even know what country they live in? Most guys here have obvious facial flaws or manletism like me that restrict them from dating.

Oh and about dating ugly girls, I don't care. I see no point in going after girls I'm not physically attracted to. That doesn't satisfy me.

 

[Deleted member 2486]

How would you even know most people here are relative to their environment when you usually don't even know what country they live in? Most guys here have obvious facial flaws or manletism like me that restrict them from dating.

Oh and about dating ugly girls, I don't care. I see no point in going after girls I'm not physically attracted to. That doesn't satisfy me.

i dont have to know personally lol, im just talking abt. concepts. im saying most people here ive seen are nor above or under avg. on avg. just like in real life

 

[Golden Glass]

ye well it would need to replicated couple more times at least, dont need 1000s of sample size obv.

Sorry you’re starting to grow on me so I’ll be nice...respectfully, you’re embarrassing yourself here. You’re in school right? Take an intro to logic course.

You don’t need robust stats analysis to prove a general principle especially if the principle is based on something like biomechanics.

What you said would make sense if I was prescribing some sort of protocol that involves something like taking a relatively untested drug.

Here’s an analogy:
The first Russian doc who achieved leg lengthening through his barbaric procedure, immediately disproved the notion that people with asymmetric legs can’t fix their asymmetry at a bone level.

The paradigm was shifted with this one case study. This analogy is helpful becausewe are talking about BONE GROWTH here, not something like testing a drug, where a number of robust studies would be useful.

i dont have to know personally lol, im just talking abt. concepts. im saying most people here ive seen are nor above or under avg. on avg. just like in real life

I can actually agree with this on a personal level, not general though since I haven’t seen everyone.

Lately I’ve gotten a ton of ratings or advice requests and most people who messaged me could easily get laid if they worked out, took better care of skin and hair, and probably weren’t on the

 

[forwardgrowth]

Sorry you’re starting to grow on me so I’ll be nice...

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Sorry you’re starting to grow on me so I’ll be nice...respectfully, you’re embarrassing yourself here. You’re in school right? Take an intro to logic course.

You don’t need robust stats analysis to prove a general principle especially if the principle is based on something like biomechanics.

What you said would make sense if I was prescribing some sort of protocol that involves something like taking a relatively untested drug.

Here’s an analogy:
The first Russian doc who achieved leg lengthening through his barbaric procedure, immediately disproved the notion that people with asymmetric legs can’t fix their asymmetry at a bone level.

The paradigm was shifted with this one case study. This analogy is helpful becausewe are talking about BONE GROWTH here, not something like testing a drug.

im not embarassing myself lol. i do understand that in an idealistic world one single well documented case could prove or disprove something.

i said what i said is because there are uncontrollable variables that could influence the outcome and you can statisticslly speaking drastically reducd the chance of this by checking more than 1 case, as opposed to just ONE case.

 

[Golden Glass]

im not embarassing myself lol. i do understand that in an idealistic world one single well documented case could prove or disprove something.

i said what i said is because there are uncontrollable variables that could influence the outcome and you can statisticslly speaking drastically reducd the chance of this by checking more than 1 case, as opposed to just ONE case.

You’re referring to my use of a case study as idealistic while saying you prefer robust metanalysis of children mewing...yes you are embarrassing yourself friendo.

Do you read any sort of orthodontic or maxillofacial-surgical literature? The vast majority of progress in these fields was done explicitly THROUGH published case studies that to this day are cited like crazy.

This is why I said your rather idealistic preference of quantitative analysis is far more relevant for something at the chemical level like drug testing , NOT at the mechanical level.

Example: If some sort of orthodontic protocol produces teeth tipping in a case study, the odds that it won’t do so again for another patient are very slim. Because it’s a MECHANICAL principle, not a chemical one.

 

[Luke LLL]

genetic recombination

Bro science. The reason Jordan is good looking and his parents are ugly is because of his development. Not denying that he doesn’t have good genes though, they are the same as his parent’s.

 

[Deleted member 2846]

Bro science. The reason Jordan is good looking and his parents are ugly is because of his development. Not denying that he doesn’t have good genes though, they are the same as his parent’s.

face pulling is bro science

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Do you read any sort of orthodontic or maxillofacial-surgical literature? The vast majority of progress in these fields was done explicitly THROUGH published case studies that to this day are cited like crazy.

no dude as i said in many threads.i do 0 research, im just talking out of my ass and arguing with people for the sake of it cuz i like debating and getting on nerve of people

okay. maybe case studies are sufficient enough

 

[( ( ( d[-_-]b ) ) )]

face pulling is bro science

Lol not if it works

 

[Deleted member 2846]

Lol not if it works

have fun cracking your maxilla

 

[( ( ( d[-_-]b ) ) )]

have fun cracking your maxilla

Lol cracking. Do you realize how much pressure would be needed for that ? That’s like if I connect the facepuller to my truck and drove off haha . With the facepuller there will still be pressure for foward growth but not enough to crack anything .

 

[Golden Glass]

no dude as i said in many threads.i do 0 research, im just talking out of my ass and arguing with people for the sake of it cuz i like debating and getting on nerve of people

okay. maybe case studies are sufficient enough

Well I don’t follow all your content so I wouldn’t know lol. But thats good to know moving.

Should u be referred to as cocainecontrarian or contrariancowboy? lmao

And even if you’re a full of it argue for the sake of arguing contrarian when it comes to facial aesthetic stuff you still know a lot about lifting so I might ask for some input of yours if I start a lifting program, right now I’m trying to cut the last 10 lbs I have.



PS to most PSLers reading:

You might feel like you were robbed of your genetic potential as a child and you might also feel mewing as an adult would ascend you....

Spoiler

No, it won’t.

Get MSE and double jaw surgery done, those are your best chances at any positive maxillofacial aesthetic improvement, not the comically dumb chewing hard gum at 25 years old stuff I see too frequently on this forum.

Lately I’ve been writing threads and posts about MSE, here’s my latest one:
https://looksmax.org/threads/do-you-wonder-how-much-does-mse-widens-the-midface-or-zygos.76961/

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Well I don’t follow all your content so I wouldn’t know lol. But thats good to know moving.

Should u be referred to as cocainecontrarian or contrariancowboy? lmao

And even if you’re a full of it argue for the sake of arguing contrarian when it comes to facial aesthetic stuff you still know a lot about lifting so I might ask for some input of yours if I start a lifting program, right now I’m trying to cut the last 10 lbs I have.



PS to most PSLers reading:

You might feel like you were robbed of your genetic potential as a child and you might also feel mewing as an adult would ascend you....

Spoiler

No, it won’t.

Get MSE and double jaw surgery done, those are your best chances at any positive maxillofacial aesthetic improvement, not the comically dumb chewing hard gum at 25 years old stuff I see too frequently on this forum.

Lately I’ve been writing threads and posts about MSE, here’s my latest one:
https://looksmax.org/threads/do-you-wonder-how-much-does-mse-widens-the-midface-or-zygos.76961/

well i do 5 day PPL. i tried many (over course of 1.5y) and i like this best. for cutting weight weight lifting program itself doesnt matter too much. any program should be suitable for muslce presevation during cutting bf% but for building muscle PPL is pretty good if natty

 

[Golden Glass]

well i do 5 day PPL. i tried many (over course of 1.5y) and i like this best. for cutting weight weight lifting program itself doesnt matter too much. any program should be suitable for muslce presevation during cutting bf% but for building muscle PPL is pretty good if natty

You’ve never hopped on gear right? Have you ever posted before and after pics of your physique?

 

[nastynas]

You’ve never hopped on gear right? Have you ever posted before and after pics of your physique?

wait are you trying to cut bf or trying to lose weight i could not understand?

i know both sounds similar but do you already have a physique and tryna lose little bit of fat needed to be lean or was overweight and now trying to lose weight?

 

[Golden Glass]

wait are you trying to cut bf or trying to lose weight i could not understand?

i know both sounds similar but do you already have a physique and tryna lose little bit of fat needed to be lean or was overweight and now trying to lose weight?

No I have next to no muscle at the moment, I stopped working out a while ago and I only ever had max like 10 lbs of muscle gain when I was working out—just calisthenics

 

[nastynas]

No I have next to no muscle at the moment, I stopped working out a while ago and I only ever had max like 10 lbs of muscle gain when I was working out—just calisthenics

well if you are a beginner, which is pretty much up to 6 to 8 months or even a full year your lifting program wont matter THAT much you can do most idiotic stuff and still progress due to newbie gains coming so fast i mean you could pick up boxes from ground and build hamstrings go figure lol.

but i would start off by full body splits with bigger lifts and assitance exercises here and there for 3 to 6 months and reap benefits of newbie gains as much as possible and after that moving to an push pull or upper lower split would be better as your lifts go up and recovering might be harder from doing full body all the time.its a very generalized approach but should work.

at the end of the day a basic program done with full intent will trump very sophisticated program done half assed

 

[Deleted member 2486]

You’ve never hopped on gear right? Have you ever posted before and after pics of your physique?

nah im natty and ill stay natty. height and frame allows me to be big no matter whar so theres no point to roid. i went from 95kg to 115kg kn 1.5 years while my face was getting leaner over time so its all pure muscle and glycogen/water. in fact i even lost some fat overall from belly etc so its actually over 20kg the lean mass i gained. idk how much % of it is water/glyco

i train 5 times a week and eat 3500-4k kcal

heres some up close pics i shared https://looksmax.org/threads/remind...lained-by-roids-or-puberty.70325/post-1238572

 

[Golden Glass]

nah im natty and ill stay natty. height and frame allows me to be big no matter whar so theres no point to roid. i went from 95kg to 115kg kn 1.5 years while my face was getting leaner over time so its all pure muscle and glycogen/water. in fact i even lost some fat overall from belly etc so its actually over 20kg the lean mass i gained. idk how much % of it is water/glyco

i train 5 times a week and eat 3500-4k kcal

heres some up close pics i shared https://looksmax.org/threads/remind...lained-by-roids-or-puberty.70325/post-1238572

also these more from other angles

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Just saw all the pics. Congrats man You added a ton of size to your arms. How tall are you?

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Just saw all the pics. Congrats man You Added a ton of size to your arms. How tall are you?

thx and im 6'7"

 

[( ( ( d[-_-]b ) ) )]

thx and im 6'7"

Jfl at being 6 fucking 7 and not in the NBA or NFL

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Jfl at being 6 fucking 7 and not in the NBA or NFL

i was obese up until 2.5 years ago jfl. the "before pics" are "after pics" too at the same time

 

[reptiles]

cope its 98% genetics

"muhh environment" was always about just a band-aid for a peace of mind of "what could've been". you can't surpass ur genetic limit. if both ur momma and papa are recessed then don't be surprised ur not jordan barrett. no amount of mewing, chewing, facepulling, bonesmashing could've made you chad. most people are genetically not destined to be chad. it is possible to "stunt" the growth, but most people here aren't stunted to a clinical degree. you need to be severely malnutritioned, take certain brain altering drugs, be growth hormone deficient and so on

this forum is a bunch of normies with normie parents crying over they werent born chad therefore they can't get away with subpar social skills and fear or rejection

Vast majority off people are reccessed tell me why is it we can see very little reccession in forest peoples ? life style and diet seem to be ringing true over and over again

 

[Golden Glass]

i was obese up until 2.5 years ago jfl. the "before pics" are "after pics" too at the same time

Damn you’re actually 6’7? Do you ever feel like you’d rather be in the 6’1-4 range?

 

[( ( ( d[-_-]b ) ) )]

i was obese up until 2.5 years ago jfl. the "before pics" are "after pics" too at the same time

Was also obese 2 years ago haha

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Damn you’re actually 6’7? Do you ever feel like you’d rather be in the 6’1-4 range?

no. i do believe objectively 6'5" is the "ideal" height, but i wouldnt want to be smaller by the thought of being 6'7". its not as "freakish" as people think

 

[Golden Glass]

no. i do believe objectively 6'5" is the "ideal" height, but i wouldnt want to be smaller by the thought of being 6'7". its not as "freakish" as people think

my cousin is 6’8 and he hates it for working out bc of the biomechanics, as well as for clothing and using mass transportation like trains or planes (he frequently travels) but if it works for you it’s at least better than being 5’4

 

[Deleted member 2486]

my cousin is 6’8 and he hates it for working out bc of the biomechanics, as well as for clothing and using mass transportation like trains or planes (he frequently travels) but if it works for you it’s at least better than being 5’4

nah i dont hate it. its not convenient for some things but the joy of mogging people, especially with blackpilled mindset makes up for it

 

[HighIQcel]

How can I know if I got my genetic potential or no?

 

[Bennett]

You ever just feel like everything is a complete cope and that we live in the worst era of history

 

[Eduardo DOV]

blacpill: my energy is limited and wont spend it reading this shit thread full of retards

 

[Golden Glass]

blacpill: my energy is limited and wont spend it reading this shit thread full of retards

But you are a retard

 

[SixFootManlet]

i was obese up until 2.5 years ago jfl. the "before pics" are "after pics" too at the same time

You in that video, son?

 

[Deleted member 3583]

no. i do believe objectively 6'5" is the "ideal" height

 

[WBC323]

My half-brothers look like/are models, i was anorexic in puberty and ate little or nothing or some shit as a kid, had maxilla pushed back as 3 y/o, and because mouthbreathed all the time, maxilla is very recessed

I still look average - round 4 psl, but skeletal differences are obvious (smaller bones, head, didn't yet fulfil genetic height potential,even tho genetically still i think a bit beter frame as in shoulders, while thinner bones overall due to not eating) i look around 1-1,5 even 2 psl points worse sometimes. I would say epigenetics on my case, or enviroment are very important and are like 40% of looks. It's sadly, not cope, its not *that* big of a deal i'm stil not a true incel, but thinking it's cope is kinda cope.

 

[mattzdeb]

My half-brothers look like/are models, i was anorexic in puberty and ate little or nothing or some shit as a kid, had maxilla pushed back as 3 y/o, and because mouthbreathed all the time, maxilla is very recessed

I still look average - round 4 psl, but skeletal differences are obvious (smaller bones, head, didn't yet fulfil genetic height potential,even tho genetically still i think a bit beter frame as in shoulders, while thinner bones overall due to not eating) i look around 1-1,5 even 2 psl points worse sometimes. I would say epigenetics on my case, or enviroment are very important and are like 40% of looks. It's sadly, not cope, its not *that* big of a deal i'm stil not a true incel, but thinking it's cope is kinda cope.

You have to of ate nothing and mouth breathed all the time to of been truly fucked by development . If both your brothers are models it seems likely you would be good looking too diet is not insanely important to facial development as long as you ate enough. I never ate shit as a kid and I’m 3 inches taller than my dad and I have my mother’s bones in face I don’t think I could of changed anything by eating tbh maybe a little jaw size that’s all.

 

[ChaddeusPeuterschmit]

cope its 98% genetics

"muhh environment" was always about just a band-aid for a peace of mind of "what could've been". you can't surpass ur genetic limit. if both ur momma and papa are recessed then don't be surprised ur not jordan barrett. no amount of mewing, chewing, facepulling, bonesmashing could've made you chad. most people are genetically not destined to be chad. it is possible to "stunt" the growth, but most people here aren't stunted to a clinical degree. you need to be severely malnutritioned, take certain brain altering drugs, be growth hormone deficient and so on

this forum is a bunch of normies with normie parents crying over they werent born chad therefore they can't get away with subpar social skills and fear or rejection