The truth about steroids and peptides affecting bones/height

[SlayerJonas]

Even when this thread was pinned people were still asking if peptides will give them bonemass. I can’t wait for this wave of stupidity to end

Not a wave, it's an ocean

This thread is a wave trying to fight the ocean (impossible)

 

[genetically fucked]

can we pin this

I don't really think the knowledge changes anything, it makes people uncomfortable knowing there is nothing they can do.

 

[ascensionneeeded]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

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If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

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After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

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same with short guys at 17 thinking they’re gonna magically grow to 6’3

no but guys grow until 21 - then like 95% of these shortcels are done by like 16.5

and don’t get me started on people acting like cjc + ipamorelin is the equivalent of 8IUs of HGH

 

[coolman985]

very badly worded question, GH won't make you surpass your genetic ceiling

So you say the descendants of the ethnics that came to the west and are taller than their parents will grow multiple inches each generation. logic 404

+ The body delays growth plate closure if malnutritioned

After age 5 yes. Only the environmental factors before that age matter

very badly worded question, GH won't make you surpass your genetic ceiling

So you say the descendants of the ethnics that came to the west and are taller than their parents will grow multiple inches each generation. logic 404

+ The body delays growth plate closure if malnutritioned

After age 5 yes. Only the environmental factors before that age matter

True but what do you define as genetic ceiling from what I know it’s a range not a fixed number

 

[PSLBurner]

dnrd, another oldcel telling young people not to do something because he’s jealous it’s already too late for him

 

[coolman985]

True but what do you define as genetic ceiling from what I know it’s a range not a fixed number

I’m saying that it would make you taller then without

 

[Deleted member 51358]

After age 5 yes. Only the environmental factors before that age matter

Prenatal T also matter a lot.

Saw a study that showed prenatal T correlated with adult bonemass more than post natal T

Too lazy to find it, maybe prenatal T is what causes differences in androgen receptor count and sensitivity.

That’s the only mechanism of action that comes to mind that would explain this result.

 

[imontheloose]

Prenatal T also matter a lot.

Saw a study that showed prenatal T correlated with adult bonemass more than post natal T

Too lazy to find it, maybe prenatal T is what causes differences in androgen receptor count and sensitivity.

That’s the only mechanism of action that comes to mind that would explain this result.

Autism = terachad confirmed.

 

[Oesteogenesis]

Not a wave, it's an ocean

This thread is a wave trying to fight the ocean (impossible)

I have a question your study you linked did say some figures when their growth finished e.g maxilla age 7 pretty sure. what about the skull sizes as a person ages, since their craniofacial structure still dramatically changes as they aged from 13 to adult? e.g:

 

[SlayerJonas]

Prenatal T also matter a lot.

Saw a study that showed prenatal T correlated with adult bonemass more than post natal T

Too lazy to find it, maybe prenatal T is what causes differences in androgen receptor count and sensitivity.

That’s the only mechanism of action that comes to mind that would explain this result.

Included in "before age 5"

Autism = terachad confirmed.

I have a question your study you linked did say some figures when their growth finished e.g maxilla age 7 pretty sure. what about the skull sizes as a person ages, since their craniofacial structure still dramatically changes as they aged from 13 to adult? e.g:

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These are literally just skull models, adult skull = finished puberty

 

[llane9]

Not a wave, it's an ocean

This thread is a wave trying to fight the ocean (impossible)

yeah it will never end. everyone wants an easy solution, not the real one that takes more time and effort (surgery).

 

[NoaA99]

dnrd, another oldcel telling young people not to do something because he’s jealous it’s already too late for him

Imagine 99% of these annoying dnrd guys blast roids without ever reading a single scientific paper.

Pumping exogenous stuff into your body and hoping youth, your mom, or whatever will save you if something goes wrong is literally the definition of stupid.

 

[pslfinalboss]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Growth plates fuse yea but the bone can still be thickened so your zygos brow ridge midface jaw can all get bigger

 

[pslfinalboss]

NO BRO CJC GHRPS WILL GROW BONES LOOK AT LOOX BRO CLAV AN SHIIITTE

Loox, nocturnal Kent, clav, Bojack, etc it really does work

 

[Liveindianboi]

i do not have a great knowledge on roids but i m pretty sure that acromegaly doesnt have anything to do with bone d ev as well we would need a before and after pic of the guy

nigga r u stupid? acromegaly obv has to do with bones. u think its fucking cartilage causing the enlargenment?

 

[Insomnia]

Loox, nocturnal Kent, clav, Bojack, etc it really does work

Really good point. Has never been brought up by anyone else on this forum

 

[repulse]

Really good point. Has never been brought up by anyone else on this forum

Is this sarcasm i can't tell

 

[Insomnia]

Is this sarcasm i can't tell

It is

 

[pslfinalboss]

Really good point. Has never been brought up by anyone else on this forum

Ok unc keep larping that ur gna get surgery

 

[Insomnia]

Ok unc keep larping that ur gna get surgery

Bruh what i turned 16 and I dont larp about getting surgery

 

[Insomnia]

Ok unc keep larping that ur gna get surgery

It’s not even related to my response lol

 

[pslfinalboss]

Bruh what i turned 16 and I dont larp about getting surgery

So you believe roids and peptides cant ascend u and only surgery can? So if you dont plan on getting surgery what are u doing rotting here

 

[Insomnia]

So you believe roids and peptides cant ascend u and only surgery can? So if you dont plan on getting surgery what are u doing rotting here

Yes, roids and peptides won’t ,,ascend” you. Literally read op’s thread youre a retard if you think that. Also there is a difference between planing on getting surgery and larping about getting surgery

 

[pslfinalboss]

Yes, roids and peptides won’t ,,ascend” you. Literally read op’s thread youre a retard if you think that. Also there is a difference between planing on getting surgery and larping about getting surgery

dnr

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

me, 16, just joined forum

19 (just started aas) -> 23

how do u explain this then? my lower third changed far more drastically on gear than puberty

 

[Aryan Incel]

me, 16, just joined forum
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19 (just started aas) -> 23
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how do u explain this then? my lower third changed far more drastically on gear than puberty

Your lower third didn’t change its just angles and bigger masseters

 

[DeLuxSaysItOver]

Just blast unholy amounts of test and hgh and be cl

 

[Chad]

me, 16, just joined forum
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19 (just started aas) -> 23
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how do u explain this then? my lower third changed far more drastically on gear than puberty

WOW!! Steroids grew your masseters. Who would've thought that steriods cause induce such a change???

 

[imontheloose]

WOW!! Steroids grew your masseters. Who would've thought that steriods cause induce such a change???

Huge forehead; couldn’t be a catboy. Needs FFS for a chance to join my harem.

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Just blast unholy amounts of test and hgh and be cl

Nah hes right I was doing more research and its over roids cant grow your face bones. Test can prop make your infras and jaw more robust if your still in puberty. But after puberty its over and the only way to actually get more Dimo and angulairty is through surgery and fillers.

 

[DeLuxSaysItOver]

Nah hes right I was doing more research and its over roids cant grow your face bones. Test can prop make your infras and jaw more robust if your still in puberty. But after puberty its over and the only way to actually get more Dimo and angulairty is through surgery and fillers.

Ig you could body pill hard at least with those roids like that one tiktok guy
dorian I think thats his name

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Ig you could body pill hard at least with those roids like that one tiktok guy
dorian I think thats his name

Oh yeah of course I mean that's what there for. You can achieve a great physique with roids fs

 

[DeLuxSaysItOver]

Oh yeah of course I mean that's what there for. You can achieve a great physique with roids fs

Thats what am saying If you got a good face
low bf and good body could def make you look appealing

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Thats what am saying If you got a good face
low bf and good body could def make you look appealing

Water

 

[KJ7]

Water

Joined 2025 10.5k posts. Holy org rotter

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

WOW!! Steroids grew your masseters. Who would've thought that steriods cause induce such a change???

Your lower third didn’t change its just angles and bigger

how many different angles of my face do i need to show you for you to accept the fact that steroids ascended me? jfl

 

[elfmaxx]

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how many different angles of my face do i need to show you for you to accept the fact that steroids ascended me? jfl

lmao the steroids didn't do anything for your face keep on coping though lil nigga

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

lmao the steroids didn't do anything for your face keep on coping though lil nigga

no way ur still here i remember you bro ur from my era

 

[shieldzz]

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how many different angles of my face do i need to show you for you to accept the fact that steroids ascended me? jfl

aaaaaaaaaaa

 

[shieldzz]

no way ur still here i remember you bro ur from my era

looks like @User28823

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

aaaaaaaaaaa

=bro

 

[Deleted member 104725]

im a bloated mtn right now bulking on tren and life is hell. cant wait to go back to chadlite.

 

[wyy]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

botb bro

 

[Deleted member 141401]

holy ropefuel

 

[mogging2eternity]

@Zagro read every single molecule

 

[bonelessvirgin]

this thread is so full of retards caging so hard rn

 

[Zagro]

@Zagro read every single molecule

Nigga are you genuinely retarded

 

[mewzilla]

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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

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molecule?? neuron activation

 

[unwillingachieve]

molecule?? neuron activation

 

[valkcy]

Disregard what we concluded. Some specimens think spending $35k for a "bone stack" without any research at all for an unpredictable outcome is more logical than surgery. (Price of Lefort 2 + BSSO + genioplasty BTW).

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where are you getting a lf2 trimax for 35k