The truth about steroids and peptides affecting bones/height

[4Christ_sake]

If you don't consider this an ascension then you needa rope asap and I'm not joking
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From true dork to true gymrat

 

[Typhon]

If this is true, explain my transformation. I was leaner than I am now in the before photos, then started pinning 500mg of test e a week for 2 years.
https://looksmax.org/threads/my-2-5-year-transformation-17-19-5.1610208/

 

[CertifiedGoy]

If this is true, explain my transformation. I was leaner than I am now in the before photos, then started pinning 500mg of test e a week for 2 years.
https://looksmax.org/threads/my-2-5-year-transformation-17-19-5.1610208/

You look like a 14 year old in the before photos, test just made u go into proper puberty imo

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

me, 16, just joined forum
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19 (just started aas) -> 23
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how do u explain this then? my lower third changed far more drastically on gear than puberty

YOO it IS you hahaha the yi main from NA

 

[Typhon]

You look like a 14 year old in the before photos, test just made u go into proper puberty imo

I had a growth spurt freshman year from 5’5 to 6’2, how had I not gone through puberty, I was 17 in those photos

 

[SlayerJonas]

Great post, high IQ, still gonna take em tho!

for body halo only

If this is true, explain my transformation. I was leaner than I am now in the before photos, then started pinning 500mg of test e a week for 2 years.
https://looksmax.org/threads/my-2-5-year-transformation-17-19-5.1610208/

You look like a 14 year old in the before photos, test just made u go into proper puberty imo

test did fuck all for his skeleton

he had late puberty and was underdeveloped, that's all

 

[Typhon]

for body halo only


test did fuck all for his skeleton

Clearly boneless in first photo

 

[Typhon]

You look like a 14 year old in the before photos, test just made u go into proper puberty imo

Do u want me to show the metadata on the photo to prove I was 17

 

[mewzilla]

If you don't consider this an ascension then you needa rope asap and I'm not joking
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[OLB17]

high iq

 

[maxmogvril]

5 ЛЕТ ПРИЕМА СТЕРОИДОВ ИЗМЕНЕНИЕ КОСТЕЙ:
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holy hair

 

[KellSS]

Its over

 

[Deleted member 130173]

molecule

 

[Deleted member 78797]

This is the truth.

 

[Deleted member 130173]

, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

this is where IGF-1 SIGNALLING COMES INTO PLAY

 

[Paul Paulovski]

I wanna cry now lmao. So its over

 

[Paul Paulovski]

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this is an example of a person with acromegaly
(kind of cherry-picked but you get the point)

Im asumming you mean blasting permanently but roiding for example a test+primo cycle would imo boost chances of teenage love

is that bad?

 

[test monster]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
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If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

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https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

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The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

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4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
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After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

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tldr use gh at 14 or its over

 

[test monster]

There isn't a single molecule of evidence

Effects of growth hormone on craniofacial growth - PubMed

Children who received long-term GH replacement therapy showed increased growth of the craniofacial skeleton, especially the maxilla and ramus. These findings suggest that GH accelerates craniofacial development, which improves occlusion and the facial profile.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Craniofacial and acral growth responses in growth hormone-deficient children treated with growth hormone - PubMed

Growth hormone treatment with conventional doses partially corrects craniofacial deficits and does not adversely affect hand and foot growth but appears to result in excessive head circumference growth.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effect of growth hormone treatment on craniofacial growth in children: Idiopathic short stature versus growth hormone deficiency - PubMed

GH should be administered carefully when treating girls with ISS, because GH treatment has great effects on vertical overgrowth of the mandible and can result in longer face.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[martinwombr]

If this is true, explain my transformation. I was leaner than I am now in the before photos, then started pinning 500mg of test e a week for 2 years.
https://looksmax.org/threads/my-2-5-year-transformation-17-19-5.1610208/

Would you do anything different if you did it again?