The truth about steroids and peptides affecting bones/height

[stormulfr]

fuck me

 

[KHHAVmanlet]

Im asumming you mean blasting permanently but roiding for example a test+primo cycle would imo boost chances of teenage love

Also, being insecure enough to even take roids as a teenager lowers chances due to mental health n stuff, you know what I mean

 

[yordancel]

Disregard what we concluded. Some specimens think spending $35k for a "bone stack" without any research at all for an unpredictable outcome is more logical than surgery. (Price of Lefort 2 + BSSO + genioplasty BTW).

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What retard will spend 35k on a experimental way to "try" to grow bones when they can just get implants with less than that, either way mirin this thread

 

[samuel_hamrick]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

I read, I thought, and my conclusion is simply that is is a low IQ thread and it was a waste of time to read. To each their own though. Just an opinion.

 

[samuel_hamrick]

"Everyone" in question:
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So why are we not training chest like a casual foid

 

[avant69420]

5 YEARS OF STEROIDS BONE CHANGE:
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Is TRT/steroids and all the hormone stuff cope for the face? I've seen worse results for everybody ik who are on it.

 

[Realise07]

so roids wont thicken the bones in your body ?

 

[notsh]

before their balls even drop

Just so you know bhai, even if 80-90percent is done growing the other 10-20 is a significant difference if it wasn't and only sm more than that would be considered significant no one would get surgeries that only move you maxila few mm nor genioplasty nor double jaw surgery, stop coping those few mm change lives

 

[ryze1x]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

@Grievous stfu u dumb retard calling me a shit user cuz I dont approve of cels blasting roids who have a join date of a week ago

 

[Grievous]

@Grievous stfu u dumb retard calling me a shit user cuz I dont approve of cels blasting roids who have a join date of a week ago

Who r u and what r u trying to say?
R u illiterate ?

 

[Starborn]

@Grievous stfu u dumb retard calling me a shit user cuz I dont approve of cels blasting roids who have a join date of a week ago

@Grievous
is this nigga schizo?

 

[Grievous]

@Grievous
is this nigga schizo?

thats what im wondering

 

[orgㅤ]

Who r u and what r u trying to say?
R u illiterate ?

i think he likes u bro

 

[tension]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

So why are people using hgh to "get taller"

 

[ap0llomogs]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

tst and hgh can promote bone growth over periods of time

 

[kaldur]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

so what actually works is it all gens

 

[TrueGuerilla]

It's funny to read all these comments. People will never learn man

 

[Shinchan01]

Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless.

How can you say this?

 

[Valerium]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

As someone who started taking hgh at 15, I've grown from 5'6 to 6'2 in 2 years. Sure it might be puberty but I'm almost certain that hgh was the main factor.

 

[Sachlichkeit]

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.
​

high dose npp on rat pups

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8297054/

"Steroid therapy significantly increased all measures of the craniofacial complex (k = 20)--on the order of 3.5%"
"significant alterations also occurred in facial morphology. The low-dose group exhibited proportionate increases in most craniofacial dimensions, but the high-dose produced overt shape changes, notably a maxillomandibular, anteroposterior jaw discrepancy due to maxillary excess. In sum, this anabolic steroid significantly altered facial growth in this animal model; by
extension, steroid abuse by adolescent humans may produce discernible changes in their craniofacial complexes."

it should be noted that the high dose NPP group had MORE lower third development than the lower dose

low test on boys with delayed puberty

Effect of low-dose testosterone treatment on craniofacial growth in boys with delayed puberty - PubMed

<p>Craniofacial growth was investigated in boys treated with low-dose testosterone for delayed puberty (> 14 years old; testicular volume < 4 ml; n = 7) and compared with controls (12-14 years; n = 37). Cephalometric radiographs, statural height and pubertal stage were recorded at the start of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"After 1 year, the growth rate of the statural height, total mandibular length, ramus length, and upper and total anterior face height was significantly higher in the treated boys than in the untreated height-matched controls"

high T during puberty is associated with a more masculine facial structure

SNPs Associated With Testosterone Levels Influence Human Facial Morphology - PMC

Many factors influence human facial morphology, including genetics, age, nutrition, biomechanical forces, and endocrine factors. Moreover, facial features clearly differ between males and females, and these differences are driven primarily by the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"These results indicate that testosterone-related genetic variants affect normal-range facial morphology"

study on testosterone suppression during puberty

Testosterone suppression impacts craniofacial growth structures during puberty : An animal study - PubMed

Our results suggest that testosterone suppression affects craniofacial growth during puberty.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Conclusions: Our results suggest that testosterone suppression affects craniofacial growth during puberty."

another animal study on the impact of androgens on craniofacial growth during puberty

Comparative effects of neonatal and prepubertal castration on craniofacial growth in rats - PubMed

The role of endogenous testosterone in the craniofacial growth of the young male rat was investigated. First, the effect of neonatal surgical castration was examined in a randomized, cross-sectional study in which male Wistar rats were allocated to be either castrated or sham-operated 4 h after...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Neonatal and prepubertal castration resulted in decreased plasma concentrations of testosterone and in delayed growth of somatic and craniofacial components."

a NON animal study linking a high T to E ratio to mandibular/facial bone growth via the CYP19A1 gene

Association between CYP19A1 genotype and pubertal sagittal jaw growth - PMC

Sagittal jaw growth is influenced during puberty by a ratio of androgens and estrogens. The CYP19A1 (formerly CYP19) gene encodes the cytochrome P450 enzyme aromatase (estrogen synthetase), which converts testosterone to estrogen. Genetic variations ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"We found that genotypes rs2470144 and rs2445761, and haplotypes constructed from them, have significant associations with average annual sagittal jaw growth in pubertal male orthodontic patients. Quantitative trait loci that influence maxillary and mandibular growth might exist in the gene CYP19A1."

it should be noted that the high dose NPP group had MORE lower third development than the lower dose

Anecdotal orgpost of somebody growing out his lower third with 1.5g of gear during puberty

AAS cycle result as a TEEN.

The name of this thread is not bait I actually am 16 years old and I ran a cycle consisting of 250mg of test E per week and 200mg going up to 300mg of tren E per week. For about 15 weeks The goals were mainly to enhance masculinity in face and frame, build muscle and lose some fat ( not main...

looksmax.org

medically acknowledged increase in bonemass and height velocity from kids on trt during puberty (hypogonadal)

Testosterone Use in Adolescent Males: Current Practice and Unmet Needs - PMC

Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is routinely prescribed in adolescent males with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP) or hypogonadism. With many new testosterone (T) formulations entering the market targeted for adults, we review ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"These include the acceleration of linear growth during adolescence, a positive effect on bone mass"

"keit, why no AAS studies on normal kids?" because its unethical.

 

[dota2]

despite all the risks roids can carry, theres some individuals that crave the ascension through the hardmax with the mentality of todays world man

 

[Apchun144]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

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If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

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After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

My failo is mandible and i have 3 spare years tho

 

[zurrity]

I didn’t read a single letter yet but I already got this Question:

Wouldn’t acromegaly prove that HGH actually does provide facial changes that would be beneficial in lower dosages that don’t cause acromegaly, or is it a special case that doesn’t correlate with each other?

yep

 

[Buddyboyo2]

1. Just have good genetics
2. hardmax
3. rope or ldar

 

[lemureater]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

@salah746