The truth about steroids and peptides affecting bones/height

[GatoradeTRZ8]

Everything true, except I don‘t agree with the malabsorption part. If a child has an autoimmune disorder which leads to being unable to absorb the nutrients from the food he eats, his height will be affected. Catch up growth can happen if treatment begins before growth plates close.

With an autoimmune disorder that causes malabsorption, depending on how severe it is, you may absorb only a small percentage of the nutrients from the food you eat.

An example, american rapper Joe C.
He had celiac disease, most likely since birth, looked like 8 at 26 and was 3‘9. And died of malabsorption.
This is a rather extreme example as most celiacs even if they are undiagnosed their whole life wont have their height stunted this much, maybe by 3-5 inches (but will have far worse problems then height like other health issues, cancer etc.)

But in absence of any chronic disorder, its extremely hard to stunt height. Even if you dont eat much protein or only one meal a day you will still end up reaching your genetic potential most likely

 

[hghmeter13]

just say you don’t know what you’re talking about - hghmeter13​

Joined Apr 30, 2025

the corny little dickeater is here

way to prove my point further. this is a bunch of shitty surface level garbage. is this a normal thing here? just low iq shitty posts and retarded kids see a word they can’t comprehend like “androgen” and think you’re a messiah. but hey botb right

 

[Zagro]

the corny little dickeater is here

way to prove my point further. this is a bunch of shitty surface level garbage. is this a normal thing here? just low iq shitty posts and retarded kids see a word they can’t comprehend like “androgen” and think you’re a messiah. but hey botb right

 

[hghmeter13]

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5’10 2 weeeks later so doing something right

 

[Eltrē]

5’10 2 weeeks later so doing something right

Hmm yes, the random tiktokcel definitely grew 2 inches in 2 weeks whilst everyone else rarely even muster a full inch after years of usage.

 

[hghmeter13]

Hmm yes, the random tiktokcel definitely grew 2 inches in 2 weeks whilst everyone else rarely even muster a full inch after years of usage.

lol you should look up what puberty is and how much people grow from there .
but honestly just seems like when i measured 5’8 it was a fair bit before i made the post on org. its roughly more than a month, and that transformation isn’t anything unusual on org or disc or tiktok or wherever.

the random tiktokcel

call me what u want but im more knowledgeable and have better results in a month than youll ever have in your life.
did you get offended that you’re in this posts target audience?

and you all are the same, no one’s even tried arguing with me about my original comment. just slander. i wonder why

stop dick eating. think for yourself. loser

 

[Eltrē]

lol you should look up what puberty is and how much people grow from there .
but honestly just seems like when i measured 5’8 it was a fair bit before i made the post on org. its roughly more than a month, and that transformation isn’t anything unusual on org or disc or tiktok or wherever.

No one grows 2 inches in 2 weeks during puberty, not even in a month.
You're just lying, not sure why anyone would expect honesty from a child online though.

 

[hghmeter13]

No one grows 2 inches in 2 weeks during puberty, not even in a month.

pediatric cases have reported 3 inches in 3 weeks. look it up. i myself grew 2 inches in 1.5 months during puberty. (pediatricians growth chart) and at that time after series of bloodwork all my markers were well within range. 2 inches in a month is 100% possible with puberty in not most but a lot of people.

You're just lying

lying about being 5’10 ? i mean i guess it’s better than 5’8 but sure whatever you want to believe

 

[Eltrē]

pediatric cases have reported 3 inches in 3 weeks. look it up. i myself grew 2 inches in 1.5 months during puberty. (pediatricians growth chart) and at that time after series of bloodwork all my markers were well within range. 2 inches in a month is 100% possible with puberty in not most but a lot of people.

lying about being 5’10 ? i mean i guess it’s better than 5’8 but sure whatever you want to believe

I'm not even going to write up a proper response, maybe once you mature you'll look back on these posts of yours and see what a retard you were.
Enjoy your youth, faglord.

 

[hghmeter13]

I'm not even going to write up a proper response, maybe once you mature you'll look back on these posts of yours and see what a retard you were.
Enjoy your youth, faglord.

just funny u call me a tiktok cell yet joined 5 days earlier. like looksmaxxing went mainstream in those 5 days and before that it was niche . but yeah yeah whatever thanks for ending the convo we can agree to disagree. nothing we say rlly affects eachother.

 

[iLoveTapWater]

so then explain people like androgenic or nocturnalkent. These greatly increased facial bonemass after 18, kent even shows progress pictures in between his before and after so you cant say its fillers or surgery.

 

[soggra]

Disregard what we concluded. Some specimens think spending $35k for a "bone stack" without any research at all for an unpredictable outcome is more logical than surgery. (Price of Lefort 2 + BSSO + genioplasty BTW).

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@idkmanimao

 

[keife]

so then explain people like androgenic or nocturnalkent. These greatly increased facial bonemass after 18, kent even shows progress pictures in between his before and after so you cant say its fillers or surgery.

They also have good genetics loox is legit 6’5

 

[keife]

so then explain people like androgenic or nocturnalkent. These greatly increased facial bonemass after 18, kent even shows progress pictures in between his before and after so you cant say its fillers or surgery.

He did mention them

 

[keife]

Saar will I look like rira after cjc + ipa

 

[sathodian]

why would organ growth have anything to do with bone developement

acromegly isn't organ growth

 

[iLoveTapWater]

They also have good genetics loox is legit 6’5

Bro they both show picture and say they where both under 6' before their transformation. Then look takes some stuff and grows to 6'5 after puperty, kent grows to like 6'2-4" from his transformation from 5'10". Also loox in a tiktok video shows his bio markers and proves that he is actually not a hyper responder, and in actuality he is below average. Also those two aren't the only ones

 

[keife]

Bro they both show picture and say they where both under 6' before their transformation. Then look takes some stuff and grows to 6'5 after puperty, kent grows to like 6'2-4" from his transformation from 5'10". Also loox in a tiktok video shows his bio markers and proves that he is actually not a hyper responder, and in actuality he is below average. Also those two aren't the only ones

Loox was 6’3 before he started

 

[iLoveTapWater]

Loox was 6’3 before he started

If so, he was still subhuman no facial bone mass.

 

[keife]

If so, he was still subhuman no facial bone mass.

Genetics

 

[iLoveTapWater]

Genetics

so you are saying that he would of changed that greatly of facial bonemass regardless of the stuff he took? even though he was 18 alr? like a very late puberty?

 

[keife]

so you are saying that he would of changed that greatly of facial bonemass regardless of the stuff he took? even though he was 18 alr? like a very late puberty?

Yes

 

[iLoveTapWater]

Yes

so then what would be the facial bonemass method after puberty? Or does it just not exist and its over if your not HTN+

 

[keife]

so then what would be the facial bonemass method after puberty? Or does it just not exist and its over if your not HTN+

Surgery

 

[iLoveTapWater]

Surgery

bruh obviously other than that im not a fucking saudi prince.

 

[Sachlichkeit]

Bump, normies need to know this shit.
Im curious to know where people came to the conclusion on the fact that AAS can change the face. All the men they show just lose baby fat, the funnier part is that people need to understand that EVERYONE, has "bones" in their face, leaner=bones show, every single jewish rat had prominent looking zygos and hollow cheecks, yet they werent fucking high test or anything just very lean.

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The third guy looks like a dwarf and has a 10 inch bidelt yet zygo mogs the entire forum.
TDLR=EVERYONE HAS BONES
Im amused on the fact u can put thoughs into real words and convince masses to believe in something u have to say.
@Hernan @R@m@ @highinhibcel @flambria @Copercel

When ur arguing about steroids on org and a nigga brings up the holocaust mugshots

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

acromegly isn't organ growth

It literally includes that in the definition.*

so then explain people like androgenic or nocturnalkent. These greatly increased facial bonemass after 18, kent even shows progress pictures in between his before and after so you cant say its fillers or surgery.

Fuck are you retarded. I'm going to enjoy writing this reply. @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @imontheloose

Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.​

How did you even miss this fat paragraph JFL.

Bro they both show picture and say they where both under 6' before their transformation. Then look takes some stuff and grows to 6'5 after puperty, kent grows to like 6'2-4" from his transformation from 5'10". Also loox in a tiktok video shows his bio markers and proves that he is actually not a hyper responder, and in actuality he is below average. Also those two aren't the only ones

They surely grew after their growth plates fused. They clearly don't use shoe lifts while clubbing.

Image so that your sub 80 IQ primate brain receives the visual stimulus:

Surely they didn't play it smart with the biomarker video so that retards (like you) defend them more easily.

so you are saying that he would of changed that greatly of facial bonemass regardless of the stuff he took? even though he was 18 alr? like a very late puberty?

Ever heard of fillers and other easily doable procedures?

Surgery

bruh obviously other than that im not a fucking saudi prince.

JFLLLLLL not like it's the only solution remaining. This world really isn't for retards like you.

 

[Sadist]

i remember

 

[keife]

It literally includes that in the definition.*

Fuck are you retarded. I'm going to enjoy writing this reply. @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @imontheloose

How did you even miss this fat paragraph JFL.

They surely grew after their growth plates fused. They clearly don't use shoe lifts while clubbing.

Image so that your sub 80 IQ primate brain receives the visual stimulus:

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Surely they didn't play it smart with the biomarker video so that retards (like you) defend them more easily.

Ever heard of fillers and other easily doable procedures?


JFLLLLLL not like it's the only solution remaining. This world really isn't for retards like you.

Me naming a perfectly viable option makes me a retard? Ok

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

Me naming a perfectly viable option makes me a retard? Ok

It's about the other guy very clearly.

 

[keife]

They surely grew after their growth plates fused. They clearly don't use shoe lifts while clubbing.

Image so that your sub 80 IQ primate brain receives the visual stimulus:

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Boots ≠ shoe lifts also who gaf loox is still 6’5 w/o u can say im coping but I’ve met him

 

[keife]

It's about the other guy very clearly.

Mb

 

[nonchalantcel]

Much needed thread, I’ve been combing so many studies to find concrete that taking steroids would improve bone mass but I never found anything

 

[iLoveTapWater]

It literally includes that in the definition.*

Fuck are you retarded. I'm going to enjoy writing this reply. @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @imontheloose

How did you even miss this fat paragraph JFL.

They surely grew after their growth plates fused. They clearly don't use shoe lifts while clubbing.

Image so that your sub 80 IQ primate brain receives the visual stimulus:

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Surely they didn't play it smart with the biomarker video so that retards (like you) defend them more easily.

Ever heard of fillers and other easily doable procedures?


JFLLLLLL not like it's the only solution remaining. This world really isn't for retards like you.

What if your the fucking retard coping that you can actually change your face with pharmacology. My fucking IQ is test at 140+ I was in the gifted program since middle school nigger. I take all the info I receive and analyze all sides.

 

[Sachlichkeit]

Much needed thread, I’ve been combing so many studies to find concrete that taking steroids would improve bone mass but I never found anything

Anabolics tend to have anabolic effects on bone. Hgh grows humans.

Gear, gh, + mechanical loading (and maybe) some way to shut off the body’s mechanisms to limit growth.

Just anecdotally, look at the bone structure of olympians. Do they have non masculine faces?

I skimmed the thread but it seems like the general jist is “don’t do drugs they don’t work” when they actually do in fact work.

 

[chadintraining]

Disregard what we concluded. Some specimens think spending $35k for a "bone stack" without any research at all for an unpredictable outcome is more logical than surgery. (Price of Lefort 2 + BSSO + genioplasty BTW).

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I don’t get why people think this is a better option than surgery despite surgery being proven, is safer, and is potentially cheaper

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

so they thicken bones? thats all i want out of peptides

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

your main point here seems to be that some sutures fuse at age 1, and that you cant REMODEL bones with peptides which nobody is claiming, the only thing people are claiming is that they give you more bone mass which has tons of anecdotal evidence (and your point about there being no studies on the topic is genuinely useless and makes you look more low iq than someone claiming the opposite, give me one scientific organization that would have any interest in funding a controlled study over the course of months to see if something can thicken the bones in your face. you cant because it has no profit incentive and no useful end goal supporting advancement in useful medical research)

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

What if your the fucking retard coping that you can actually change your face with pharmacology.

The thread is literally debunking that you fucking retard. There are many retarded users on here but you could be the cherry on top.

My fucking IQ is test at 140+

Prove your intelligence by not being a retard
"Yeah trust me man a test said so"

Now go show proof of that test retard because everyone here questions your IQ.

I was in the gifted program since middle school nigger.

Is special education now being called gifted program?

Or did you break into the gifted program building/room you primate?

I take all the info I receive and analyze all sides.

Analyse all sides? But you forgot to analyse the side of questioning fucking course sellers?

Kill yourself. @org3cel.RR you retard thought I wouldn't notice, it is imperative for you as well.

Anabolics tend to have anabolic effects on bone.

You can't make this shit up.

Hgh grows humans.

Gear, gh, + mechanical loading (and maybe) some way to shut off the body’s mechanisms to limit growth.

Just anecdotally,

Not like you said anything proven JFL.

look at the bone structure of olympians. Do they have non masculine faces?

I skimmed the thread but it seems like the general jist is “don’t do drugs they don’t work” when they actually do in fact work.

Whatever you try to question I already have the answer to fucking retard. Don't try your luck.

so they thicken bones? thats all i want out of peptides

Illiterate. Your grandfathers alendronate didn't make him Chad, did it?

your main point here seems to be that some sutures fuse at age 1, and that you cant REMODEL bones with peptides which nobody is claiming, the only thing people are claiming is that they give you more bone mass which has tons of anecdotal evidence

Fuck great, we got the cool buzz word again. Now show the fucking "anecdotal evidence" apart from whatever the retards above you try to argue.

(and your point about there being no studies on the topic is genuinely useless and makes you look more low iq than someone claiming the opposite, give me one scientific organization that would have any interest in funding a controlled study over the course of months to see if something can thicken the bones in your face. you cant because it has no profit incentive and no useful end goal supporting advancement in useful medical research)

JFL you are projecting so fucking hard this was a positive thread just because your illusions got shattered you are projecting your sudden perceived intelligence drop onto me.

Bud most likely thought he figured out the solution to all his problems (skeleton).

I never even mentioned it in that context, your "muh bone mass increase" thesis is lacking both anecdotal evidence and the lack of scientific literature doesn't make it better nonetheless.

Shotgun to neurocranium.

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

 

[org3cel.RR]

The thread is literally debunking that you fucking retard. There are many retarded users on here but you could be the cherry on top.

Prove your intelligence by not being a retard
"Yeah trust me man a test said so"

Now go show proof of that test retard because everyone here questions your IQ.

Is special education now being called gifted program?

Or did you break into the gifted program building/room you primate?

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Analyse all sides? But you forgot to analyse the side of questioning fucking course sellers?

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Kill yourself. @org3cel.RR you retard thought I wouldn't notice, it is imperative for you as well.

You can't make this shit up.
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Not like you said anything proven JFL.

Whatever you try to question I already have the answer to fucking retard. Don't try your luck.

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Illiterate. Your grandfathers alendronate didn't make him Chad, did it?

Fuck great, we got the cool buzz word again. Now show the fucking "anecdotal evidence" apart from whatever the retards above you try to argue.

JFL you are projecting so fucking hard this was a positive thread just because your illusions got shattered you are projecting your sudden perceived intelligence drop onto me.

Bud most likely thought he figured out the solution to all his problems (skeleton).

I never even mentioned it in that context, your "muh bone mass increase" thesis is lacking both anecdotal evidence and the lack of scientific literature doesn't make it better nonetheless.

Shotgun to neurocranium.

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

Nice words+will read tomorrow, I actually missclicked on accident will remove the rep lol, mirin ur way of ending copes, keep the effort up

 

[org3cel.RR]

The thread is literally debunking that you fucking retard. There are many retarded users on here but you could be the cherry on top.

Prove your intelligence by not being a retard
"Yeah trust me man a test said so"

Now go show proof of that test retard because everyone here questions your IQ.

Is special education now being called gifted program?

Or did you break into the gifted program building/room you primate?

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Analyse all sides? But you forgot to analyse the side of questioning fucking course sellers?

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Kill yourself. @org3cel.RR you retard thought I wouldn't notice, it is imperative for you as well.

You can't make this shit up.
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Not like you said anything proven JFL.

Whatever you try to question I already have the answer to fucking retard. Don't try your luck.

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Illiterate. Your grandfathers alendronate didn't make him Chad, did it?

Fuck great, we got the cool buzz word again. Now show the fucking "anecdotal evidence" apart from whatever the retards above you try to argue.

JFL you are projecting so fucking hard this was a positive thread just because your illusions got shattered you are projecting your sudden perceived intelligence drop onto me.

Bud most likely thought he figured out the solution to all his problems (skeleton).

I never even mentioned it in that context, your "muh bone mass increase" thesis is lacking both anecdotal evidence and the lack of scientific literature doesn't make it better nonetheless.

Shotgun to neurocranium.

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

"It is imperative for you as well" bro talking to me like Im some kind of knight of the 15 century, mirin vocabulary, @imontheloose Slowly teaching his words to others

 

[JustCallMeKash]

+12IU of hgh and it didn’t change a single thingView attachment 3972432

At age 18 u can tell ts guy had already been blasting

 

[5aesar]

Everything true, except I don‘t agree with the malabsorption part. If a child has an autoimmune disorder which leads to being unable to absorb the nutrients from the food he eats, his height will be affected. Catch up growth can happen if treatment begins before growth plates close.

With an autoimmune disorder that causes malabsorption, depending on how severe it is, you may absorb only a small percentage of the nutrients from the food you eat.

An example, american rapper Joe C.
He had celiac disease, most likely since birth, looked like 8 at 26 and was 3‘9. And died of malabsorption.
This is a rather extreme example as most celiacs even if they are undiagnosed their whole life wont have their height stunted this much, maybe by 3-5 inches (but will have far worse problems then height like other health issues, cancer etc.)

But in absence of any chronic disorder, its extremely hard to stunt height. Even if you dont eat much protein or only one meal a day you will still end up reaching your genetic potential most likely

Had type 1 diabetes since age 7 and I’m 6”0 talk at 17 but my brother is 6”1 and a half could this have been from the autoimmune disease?

 

[Blobmob]

Botb worthy

 

[iLoveTapWater]

The thread is literally debunking that you fucking retard. There are many retarded users on here but you could be the cherry on top.

Prove your intelligence by not being a retard
"Yeah trust me man a test said so"

Now go show proof of that test retard because everyone here questions your IQ.

Is special education now being called gifted program?

Or did you break into the gifted program building/room you primate?

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Analyse all sides? But you forgot to analyse the side of questioning fucking course sellers?

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Kill yourself. @org3cel.RR you retard thought I wouldn't notice, it is imperative for you as well.

You can't make this shit up.
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Not like you said anything proven JFL.

Whatever you try to question I already have the answer to fucking retard. Don't try your luck.

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Illiterate. Your grandfathers alendronate didn't make him Chad, did it?

Fuck great, we got the cool buzz word again. Now show the fucking "anecdotal evidence" apart from whatever the retards above you try to argue.

JFL you are projecting so fucking hard this was a positive thread just because your illusions got shattered you are projecting your sudden perceived intelligence drop onto me.

Bud most likely thought he figured out the solution to all his problems (skeleton).

I never even mentioned it in that context, your "muh bone mass increase" thesis is lacking both anecdotal evidence and the lack of scientific literature doesn't make it better nonetheless.

Shotgun to neurocranium.

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

My fault your too fucking glued to this shit ass website that you don't understand how the education system works. No I cannot provide the test results I was given by a professional in 6th grade. You don't even know what the program is jfl and ur trying to talk. Fucking retard, your mad that my black bbc genetics are superior by a mile nigger. Keep coping faggot pseudo-intellectual your even if your average IQ you'd still be considered retarded to me gay boy. You people just want to have a victim mindset and won't look at anything that disagrees with your world. Never said I know 100% that pharmacology works on facial bonemass, I was just stating what those influences claim. I don't give a fuck about what you say in your thread I'll say and do what I want jew.

 

[Sachlichkeit]

The thread is literally debunking that you fucking retard. There are many retarded users on here but you could be the cherry on top.

Prove your intelligence by not being a retard
"Yeah trust me man a test said so"

Now go show proof of that test retard because everyone here questions your IQ.

Is special education now being called gifted program?

Or did you break into the gifted program building/room you primate?

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Analyse all sides? But you forgot to analyse the side of questioning fucking course sellers?

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Kill yourself. @org3cel.RR you retard thought I wouldn't notice, it is imperative for you as well.

You can't make this shit up.
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Not like you said anything proven JFL.

Whatever you try to question I already have the answer to fucking retard. Don't try your luck.

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Illiterate. Your grandfathers alendronate didn't make him Chad, did it?

Fuck great, we got the cool buzz word again. Now show the fucking "anecdotal evidence" apart from whatever the retards above you try to argue.

JFL you are projecting so fucking hard this was a positive thread just because your illusions got shattered you are projecting your sudden perceived intelligence drop onto me.

Bud most likely thought he figured out the solution to all his problems (skeleton).

I never even mentioned it in that context, your "muh bone mass increase" thesis is lacking both anecdotal evidence and the lack of scientific literature doesn't make it better nonetheless.

Shotgun to neurocranium.

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

 

[GatoradeTRZ8]

Had type 1 diabetes since age 7 and I’m 6”0 talk at 17 but my brother is 6”1 and a half could this have been from the autoimmune disease?

T1d stunts about 2-3cm according to studies on average

But imo as long as your hba1c was under 8 it shouldn‘t have impacted your height
And you could still grow an inch if you were a late bloomer

 

[Claymoreboy0118]

Thank you Jonas I needed this

 

[assheater100]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
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If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

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https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

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The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

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4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
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After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN [/SPOILER

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the claims you make are heavily exaggerated or misleading in detail.

There is a difference between thickening and lengthening of the bone. Although its true that bone lengthening cannot occur if grow plates are closed, bone can still thicken. Growth hormone can promote periostel apposition(process where new bone is added to the outer surface of bone) This process can possibly thicken or elongate the jaw contour. This explains why individuals with acromegaly can still alter their facial structure even after puberty. Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4319194/#:~:text=Bone growth is a three,1 on muscle tissue
”Environmental factors have no effect in height”
Most studies report a heritability of 70-90% . This topic is not a debate among scholars but a well estblished fact.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14624724/#:~:text=variation%20in%20heritability%20of%20body,In

 

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Fuck great, we got the cool buzz word again. Now show the fucking "anecdotal evidence" apart from whatever the retards above you try to argue.

"buzz word" bone mass is the colloquial term used here for thicker bones, just because something has been tiktokified doesnt mean its not valid. my anecdotal evidence is my post history. i ran a baby dose of 10mg mk677 for 5 months and my progress is well documented with many people conforming that it ascended me hard, my zygos got thicker and my chin got more projected. side profile went from lmtn to quite literally low chad in good lighting. 92%-95.6% harmony depending on who measured

JFL you are projecting so fucking hard this was a positive thread just because your illusions got shattered you are projecting your sudden perceived intelligence drop onto me.

Bud most likely thought he figured out the solution to all his problems (skeleton).

I never even mentioned it in that context, your "muh bone mass increase" thesis is lacking both anecdotal evidence and the lack of scientific literature doesn't make it better nonetheless.

i dont feel like going through my saved posts on tt and transferring a shit ton of screenshots from my phone to my pc but the anecdotal evidence exists en mass with people posting their ascensions, the peptide wave is way stronger on tiktok than it is on org and there are fucking loads of people who gained significant bone mass from them (bojack is exhibit a, @total4naesthesia and @blamebr3n second best peptide ascensions imo) i could pull 10 more those are my top from memory tho. you didnt address literally anything i said, you just claimed there was a lack of anecdotal evidence when you didnt even look and failed to address why your statement about there being no studies is flawed.

also my skeleton is not a problem lmao, 6' htn with an 18 inch biacromial. i just dont like when people spread misinformation based on some "research" thats summed up to absence of evidence = evidence of absence while simulataneously ignoring any evidence presented to you in favour of the opposing party. you think youre coming out with some massive trvke, theres a weird obsession on this forum that associated debunking everything as cope because youre "too high iq" to believe anything works