THE ULTIMATE FRAMEMAXXING MEGAGUIDE (FRAMECELS GTFIH OR FOREVER ROT)

[raystar66]

Then make something better tbqh.

dont have the time

 

[FreakkForLife]

I'm thinking the same thing. Didn't know it was possible to shrink hips. Waist sure but I've never heard of narrowing the hip bone structure itself.

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@AverageTevvezFan

 

[FreakkForLife]

dont have the time

Can u point out in short what things did he write were wrong?
U can Just mention the topic which he mentioned were wrong

 

[Eduardo DOV]

@AverageTevvezFan check this shit that I just found - ossification grade of the Medial Clavicular Epiphysis on Chest Radiographs
View attachment 1833923

Spoiler: Guide

Representative images of each ossification grade. White arrows indicate the cortical line at the medial end of clavicle. Grade 1 (invisible ossification center). The medial end of cortex is concave in shape and has an irregular margin with a thin cortical rim.;

Grade 2 (visible ossification center without any ossification of epiphyseal cartilage). (A) The medial end of clavicle is convex in shape and has two layers of radiopaque cortical lines thicker than 1 mm at the full vertical length along with a full sharp radiolucent line with an even thickness which opens at both the top and bottom of the clavicle. (B) Epiphyseal ossification may be present as a less radiopaque density (empty arrow head) at the half of the vertical length;

Grade 3 (visible ossification center with partial ossification of epiphyseal cartilage). The medial end of clavicle is convex or flat in shape and has two layers of radiopaque cortical lines thicker than 1 mm at a portion of the vertical length. The vertical radiolucent line has an irregular margin and thickness, which is interrupted (A) or closed by radiopaque area (B) either at the top or bottom;

Grade 4 (complete ossification of epiphyseal cartilage with epiphyseal scar). (A) The medial end of clavicle is flat or convex in shape and has a broad cortical line 1-2 mm or thicker. There is no mach band phenomenon. Thin vertical line, epiphyseal scar (white arrow head) is visible adjacent to the cortical line. (B) The lateral margin may be amorphous and density of adjacent bone is mildly increased;

Grade 5 (complete ossification of epiphyseal cartilage without epiphyseal scar). The medial end of clavicle is flat or convex in shape and has a thin even cortical line with an adjacent slit-like radiolucent line due to mach band phenomenon (A). The lateral margin of cortical line is even and sharp. The cortical line of medial clavicular end may be thicker up to 2 mm but evenness and sharpness are preserved at its full vertical length (B). Oblique positioning of the sternal facet at X-ray exposure may produce two layers of sharp radiopaque cortical lines thinner than 1 mm which are far apart at center and joined at the top and bottom resulting in a teardrop appearance (C).

Spoiler: Source

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307902805_Ossification_of_the_Medial_Clavicular_Epiphysis_on_Chest_Radiographs_Utility_and_Diagnostic_Accuracy_in_Identifying_Korean_Adolescents_and_Young_Adults_under_the_Age_of_Majority

and this is my clavicle:
View attachment 1833926


THIS SHIT DOES NOT LOOK FUSED AT ALL

how old are you

 

[makeme183]

@AverageTevvezFan ,amazing guide,but I have 3 questions

1.Is clavicle lengthening really worth it,compared to the risks involved(which I'm assuming are bone breaking in old age) ?
eppley is doing upto 1inch increase on each side nowadays (so 2 inches totally )

Is that even noticable irl ?

also,I don't understand how a plastic surgeon can do orthopedic procedures not related to the face on his own
generally,plastic and ortho surgeons work together for reconstructive cases
(There's a case of a guy who's jaw was blown off by a bullet, the ortho surgeon harvested his fibula and the head and neck surgeon then molded that to make his new jaw)

2.I curently train legs every alternate day(upper lower split) to get that T boost
should I stop doing that if I want to get V taper ? (I have love handles at 11% bf for some reason)

3.Is deadlifting,OHP,and bench press superior to lifting that same weight via a machine ?
I'm currently using machines right now to avoid injury

@Prettyboy @Arborist

 

[Deleted member 22529]

Do growth plates for clavicles fuse by 20?

 

[MakinMogReturns]

All cope inject cow piss for results.

 

[Usum]

During C19, I've started training (mostly these exercises) almost DAILY (5 to 6 workouts per week).
I've never had such progress before ... and I am 49. My ribcage (already big before) has never been so developed. I was shocked how it grew so much and so fast.
Look at hardworkers : they are huge because this is their daily activiy.
There is no need to rest 48h or more....

Experience beats theory everytime and please... don't take drugs ffs. You are being ripped for nothing.

P.S.: I've been lifting for decades. Once every 4 to 8 weeks, you stop for 1/2 weeks to regenerate then you go on another cycle.

 

[Usum]

Is there any evidence that any sort of exercise can actually cause frame to grow larger?

My life does
I was a framecel/bonecel and did all that back in the 80s starting at 14/15 (focus on swimming first).
At 18/20 women were amazed by my chest.
But I've always had success with girls though. Still today.
Going on.

 

[Rt-Rust1]

My life does
I was a framecel/bonecel and did all that back in the 80s starting at 14/15 (focus on swimming first).
At 18/20 women were amazed by my chest.
But I've always had success with girls though. Still today.
Going on.

Imagining a 49 yerl old talki g about having success with women disgusts me if you are single jfl are you married?

 

[Usum]

Imagining a 49 yerl old talki g about having success with women disgusts me if you are single jfl are you married?

I have been with my wife for 29 years.
You must never decline in looks by being a lazy bum
Women are also very visual creatures and you never know what will happen.
P.S.: "having success" is maybe a bad translation from my part. I am not a cheater.

 

[mvp2v1]

My life does
I was a framecel/bonecel and did all that back in the 80s starting at 14/15 (focus on swimming first).
At 18/20 women were amazed by my chest.
But I've always had success with girls though. Still today.
Going on.

Is your frame better than your dads? Is your mothers frame large for a woman?

 

[PEking]

What’s the effect of Explosive exercises such as sprinting and plyometrics on bone density? Would it be worth to add these in one day per week with the heavy compound lifts? Anyone tried this?

 

[Usum]

Is your frame better than your dads? Is your mothers frame large for a woman?

Father : 5'67
Mother 5'2
Me : 6 / Brother 5'9+ (larger bones though)
So yes, better frame on my side but, strangely, they had better constitution.
I think this is due to some medication my mother took during pregnancy.
Last daughter has a good constitution/frame (bones) for instance but a bit overweight : 55kgs for 1.63m while her sister (small bones like her mother) is exactly like her 45kgs/1.58m

 

[Corleone]

If you are 25 or older, skip to Section 4.

brutal. but thank you for including this. interesting thread

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Pray for me that this shit works without blasting a million drugs

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

What’s the effect of Explosive exercises such as sprinting and plyometrics on bone density? Would it be worth to add these in one day per week with the heavy compound lifts? Anyone tried this?

Explosive and heavy exercises increase bone density in general.

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

@AverageTevvezFan ,amazing guide,but I have 3 questions

1.Is clavicle lengthening really worth it,compared to the risks involved(which I'm assuming are bone breaking in old age) ?
eppley is doing upto 1inch increase on each side nowadays (so 2 inches totally )

Is that even noticable irl ?

also,I don't understand how a plastic surgeon can do orthopedic procedures not related to the face on his own
generally,plastic and ortho surgeons work together for reconstructive cases
(There's a case of a guy who's jaw was blown off by a bullet, the ortho surgeon harvested his fibula and the head and neck surgeon then molded that to make his new jaw)

2.I curently train legs every alternate day(upper lower split) to get that T boost
should I stop doing that if I want to get V taper ? (I have love handles at 11% bf for some reason)

3.Is deadlifting,OHP,and bench press superior to lifting that same weight via a machine ?
I'm currently using machines right now to avoid injury

@Prettyboy @Arborist

Clavicle lengthening is only worth it if you've tried everything else and you're pretty well off, given it costs so much.

An increase of 2 inches to the bideltoid is noticeable yes, but 2 inches of clavicle lengthening does not equate to 2 inches of bideltoid because your shoulders roll back slightly, so it's closer to 1-1.5 inches of bideltoid increase.

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

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@AverageTevvezFan

Late reply but I'll send you the google doc in pm's.

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

As far as I'm aware in terms of genes 1 shouldn't complain unless 1 has trained for 4 years but legit thread nonetheless.

I've found that to be more or less redpill advice to keep guys in the gym even if they have bad genes for it.

Everyone knew that one guy in high school who had a 6 pack but ate like shit and didn't work out.

Same goes for shoulders and hips. It's unfortunate but I tend to find that black guys are more likely to have wide shoulders and narrow hips, or at least from my irl observations. Whereas northern european men tend to have wider hips due to being taller (greater hgh exposure) and also for the sake of maintaining core body temperature in colder climates.

It's just the way of things.

 

[makeme183]

so it's closer to 1-1.5 inches of bideltoid increase.

that's useless ,right ?

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

that's useless ,right ?

Useless? No.

Worth the money? Also no.

It's the same amount of width a normie with bad genetics would get from going to the gym.

 

[makeme183]

Useless? No.

1 inch would hardly be noticable irl ,right ?

I was thinking of getting clavicle lengethening AFTER I completely gymmax and hit my genetic potential ,to become a mega mogger

but after you said 2 inches becomes 1 inch , which is barely noticable difference irl , I'm thinking the surgery is useless for me

 

[tallnegga]

Good source of mk?

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

Good source of mk?

Chemyo, swisschems

 

[reptiles]

Amazing thread. Botb worthy @AscendingHero @Gargantuan @Kingkellz @Alexanderr @Chad1212 i've never seen more detailed and in-depth guide than this one, definitely deserves Best Of The Best congrats OP

Till some random looksmaxer shared more knowledge in 1 thread than my entire 5 years of PE in high school I wish this guy was my PE teacher I would have been built eons ago

 

[PEking]

Explosive and heavy exercises increase bone density in general.

What about impact for the upper body such as hitting a heavy bag daily?

 

[Descargue96]

One question brothers, what is the safest of all of those Suplements? Mk 677? Hgh?

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

One question brothers, what is the safest of all of those Suplements? Mk 677? Hgh?

HGH is safest, but the length of time you use the substances for matters a lot more than what you're using specifically. That along with using other supplements to help reduce side effects (insulin mimetics)

 

[Deleted member 21796]

HGH is safest, but the length of time you use the substances for matters a lot more than what you're using specifically. That along with using other supplements to help reduce side effects (insulin mimetics)

How many inches can you add naturaly from competely ungymcelled to max gymcelled?

 

[Deleted member 22594]

it is possible to gain 1 inch for 4 months ?

 

[R@m@]

Do you think punching helps with frame? Muay thai in general but kicking its more about legs, I do bench, pull ups, face pulls for upper body and heavy squat jumps plus reverse hyperextensions for legs, muay thai sessions of punching and kicking shadow boxing and heavy bag with some core work at the end

 

[ApolloianApotheosis]

dont have the time

hahaha fuck off then

 

[Neko arc 14's]

Exercise 4: deep breath freestyle (swimming)
Target: a little bit of the shoulders, mostly ribcage

Literally just front-crawl/freestyle, but try to hold your breath as long as possible between each time you go up for air. Should feel as if the air is trying to burst out of you.

I have been swimming for 7 years [I am currently 14 years old] I am gymaxxing, little more than that, but it would be enough to activate the mTOR pathway with certain levels of IGF-1 [I was planning to try low doses of aromasin, cardarine for lipid profile [ GW501516 produced significant changes in HDL cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, apoA1, and apoB. Less LDL very LDL and larger LDL support a transition to less atherogenic lipoprotein profiles. These data are consistent with peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-δ being a potentially important target for providing cardiovascular protection in patients with metabolic syndrome], all this together with CJC 1295 non-DAC + Hexarelin [100mcg these 2 peptides], do you consider that would be sufficient for my Frame?

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

I have been swimming for 7 years [I am currently 14 years old] I am gymaxxing, little more than that, but it would be enough to activate the mTOR pathway with certain levels of IGF-1 [I was planning to try low doses of aromasin, cardarine for lipid profile [ GW501516 produced significant changes in HDL cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, apoA1, and apoB. Less LDL very LDL and larger LDL support a transition to less atherogenic lipoprotein profiles. These data are consistent with peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-δ being a potentially important target for providing cardiovascular protection in patients with metabolic syndrome], all this together with CJC 1295 non-DAC + Hexarelin [100mcg these 2 peptides], do you consider that would be sufficient for my Frame?

Yes. Keep at it bro. Message me at some point, you seem intelligent.

 

[Unsh]

Yes. Keep at it bro. Message me at some point, you seem intelligent.

bro can you rate my frame?

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

bro can you rate my frame?

Go for it

 

[Dystopian]

Imagining a 49 yerl old talki g about having success with women disgusts me if you are single jfl are you married?

Imagine being a 49 yr old man talking about how his rib age growing affected his succes with women on an incel forum

Jfl

 

[Dystopian]

I have been swimming for 7 years [I am currently 14 years old] I am gymaxxing, little more than that, but it would be enough to activate the mTOR pathway with certain levels of IGF-1 [I was planning to try low doses of aromasin, cardarine for lipid profile [ GW501516 produced significant changes in HDL cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, apoA1, and apoB. Less LDL very LDL and larger LDL support a transition to less atherogenic lipoprotein profiles. These data are consistent with peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-δ being a potentially important target for providing cardiovascular protection in patients with metabolic syndrome], all this together with CJC 1295 non-DAC + Hexarelin [100mcg these 2 peptides], do you consider that would be sufficient for my Frame?

All cope lol
your skeletal frame is genetics, and btw that sshit cjc+hexarelin bs will never replicate 1 year on 10 ius hgh

 

[Deleted member 17429]

Spoiler: Section 1: Introduction

As many of you know, frame is almost as important as height when it comes to sexual dimorphism and attraction as per Ada Mustang’s BoTB thread here: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-de...ulder-pill-this-has-destroyed-my-life.221490/

Read it if you haven’t already.

But for tldr-fags who can’t be arsed, frame is essentially the deciding factor on how aesthetic and intimidating you would look with muscle.

‘But daddy ATF!!’ you exclaim ‘My frame has been poisoned by low prenatal T and jewish pseudo-estrogens in my adolescent diet! Whatever shall I do??’

That is where framemaxxing comes in.

Framemaxxing: the process of going from a twink-framed cuck to a wide, maesthetic sex symbol

This result is from @Ada Mustang, who managed to go from a framecel to a chad-tier physique through gymcelling and some ‘special supplements’ you’ll learn about later.

The ultimate formula to framemaxx is the following:

• Widening the frame
• Increase your bone density
• Increase the number of muscle fibres in muscles important to frame
• Make these muscle fibres bigger
• If all else fails, go under the knife

Even a hipcel could get a v-taper following this formula, and I am going to become proof of that in the years to come.

But this is not for everyone. Unless you’re a richcel who’s just going to get the surgery and call it a day, this will require a lot of effort on your part.

So don’t complain to me about not seeing results if you’re half-assing training, diet, drugs, recovery etc.

Now before we get into the nitty-gritty details, let’s set our goals.

A young man with a bad frame potential can become 2 inches wider (an inch from bone and an inch from muscle), and from there he could get clavicle lengthening (CL) surgery if he had the money. This may seem underwhelming but a 20in bidelt is noticeably wider than 18in.

A young man with average frame potential can become 4 inches wider (2 inches from bone, 2 inches from muscle), and from there he could get CL but you wouldn’t really need it. I know it sounds unrealistic but that’s because NOBODY tries to broaden the frame itself.

A young man with a good frame potential can become 5 inches (2in from bone, 3 inches from muscle) wider, CL would be a huge waste of money.

(Frame potential is decided by how young you are, how good your muscle-building genetics are, and what your clavicle shape/insertions look like).

And without further ado, let’s nuke your brains with a clusterfuck of bone science theory, endocrinology and bro-science.

Spoiler: Section 2: widening the frame

If you are 25 or older, skip to Section 4.

Exercises/stretches

SHOULDERS

Exercise 1: Reeves Deadlifts (Reeves Shrugs)
Target: clavicles and scapula

The Reeves deadlift was developed by silver-age bodybuilder Steve Reeves in the early 1900s, and he himself claimed to have become 2 inches wider in his skeletal frame along with his musculature.

It is performed by fitting weight plates to a barbell, standing upright, gripping these weights by the handle and then trying to move your shoulders back as far as possible, retracting your scapula.

Your arms/shoulders should feel slightly uncomfortable with the grip.

The bar should end up being raised slightly during the movement.

Here’s a video with a bit more detail:



Exercise 2: Hercules Holds
Target: clavicles and scapula

Hercules holds are usually a strongman event, but here we will be using them to widen our frame.

Take two cables facing each other and place the grips so that they are shoulder-height. Adjust the weight and then stand evenly between the two cable machines, holding on to both grips as long as possible.

Do these as heavy as possible for sets of 60 seconds.

You can go longer with these without tiring your grip if you use lifting straps

These can also be done with one cable machine if you cannot find the right setup. (Or if you have an asymmetrical frame, you can prioritise one shoulder over the other by doing one cable at a time).

You should feel this in the shoulder area, if your arms are dead-straight.

Exercise 3: wide grip lat pulldowns
Target: clavicles and scapula

With the same apparatus as the previous exercise, place both grips as high as possible on the cable machine, adjust the weight and then sit between the two machines.

Again, if your gym doesn’t have the opposite facing cable machine then just use a lat pulldown machine instead but it isn’t as good.

From here you just perform simple lat pulldowns. With your shoulders retracted, pull each grip as close to your body as possible at the same time. Perform sets of 12. Once you can reach 12 reps on a weight, increase the weight. I will post a video of me doing this in the comments when I get home from my holiday.

This can be performed using a pull-up bar instead if you don’t have access to a gym or if your gym doesn’t have this set-up

Exercise 4: wide-grip dead hangs.
Target: clavicles, scapula

Using the exact same set-up you used for the wide-grip lat pulldowns (or pullups), perform dead-hangs where you just let the weights pull you apart, or you just hang from a bar with as wide a grip as you can without it being uncomfortable on the shoulder girdle (that could cause injury).

Perform this exercise as long as possible, this is another scenario where you can use lifting straps as fatigue doesn’t matter for this one, only the amount of force which is being applied to the shoulders.

Stretch 1: ‘Shoulder Dislocations’
Target: general shoulder girdle

Take a broomstick or something similar and hold it in front of you with your arms spaced equally apart.

Move the stick above your head and try to push it as far back behind you without bending your arms.

Breathe during the stretch and almost ‘bounce’ the your arms in that you move them as far back as possible, and then move them slightly forward again before repeating the motion.

Do these for sets of 30-60s

Exercise 5: back-stroke (Swimming)
Target: Shoulders

Perform backstroke for 15-20 minutes, if you need to break that down into smaller sets then that’s fine. Volume matters more than doing it all at once.

I’m not going to describe this to you. You can look it up on youtube, if you don’t know how to swim. If you can’t swim, that’s fine, don’t do the swimming exercises but they do work.

Exercise 6: butterfly (swimming)
Target: Shoulders

Perform butterfly for 5-10 minutes. This is a much more demanding, explosive exercise which is why it is shorter in time.

Same thing goes for back-stroke, except this is harder to learn on youtube. I would recommend swimming lessons for this one.

Stretch 2: lat spread

Literally just perform a lat-spread and hold it there as long as possible. My gymcels know what’s up.

Take your thumbs and place them behind you, hooking them underneath the back of your ribcage (more or less).

From this position, move your elbows and shoulders as forwards as possible and hold the position as long as possible.

Unlike the traditional lat spread which bodybuilders use to pose, you do not need to actually flex any muscles here, just perform the stretch.

Sets of 30-60s are appropriate but feel free to do it for longer.


RIBCAGE

Exercise 1: Dumbbell or EZ-bar pullovers
Target: ribcage

Take a dumbbell or ez-bar of appropriate weight and lay down on a bench.
With the weight behind your head and your arms stretched out, pull the weight so that it is above your chest/neck area, and then repeat. Keep your arms relatively straight at all times. You will definitely feel this one on your sternum, it should be uncomfortable, bordering on slightly painful but nothing more. Sets of 12 yadayadayada

Exercise 2: Stomach vacuums
Target: ribcage

whilst standing up in front of your bed (or couch, or anything soft to break your fall), take 5 seconds to exhale all the air from your lungs (exhale even more, there’s more than you think), and then suck in your stomach as far as possible. Hold this position until you feel too light-headed to continue or until your stomach muscles give up. This exercise has the added bonus of shrinking your waist a bit (over time). This should feel a bit weird in the gut area.

video resource:

it should look something like this if you’re lean:

Exercise 3: breathing squats
Target: ribcage

This is a standard barbell squat where you hold your breath for the majority of the movement, exhaling sharply when you approach full extension of the legs. You will feel high pressure/tension throughout your body. For the first 5 reps, complete the exercise as I have just described. For the 10 reps after that, take 2 deep breaths between each squat. For the last 5 reps, take 4 deep breaths between each squat.

This is a pretty basic movement so I won’t describe it but here’s a video explaining how it’s done:

(The guy in the video says 3 breaths between each rep, what he means is 2 breaths between and then hold the third breath during the rep. Same applies when he says 5 breaths between each rep.)

Exercise 4: deep breath freestyle (swimming)
Target: a little bit of the shoulders, mostly ribcage

Literally just front-crawl/freestyle, but try to hold your breath as long as possible between each time you go up for air. Should feel as if the air is trying to burst out of you.

Hormones/Drugs

Congratulations to all who have made it this far. We are only through the first subsection of Section 1, and yet this has already filtered most of the attentionspancels.

Here I am going to tell you:

• which drugs you can use
• which dosages to use them in
• how long to use them for
• the side effects they have
• where you can buy them
• a ‘cycle’ you could copy, which tells you which of these drugs you need to use and which you can leave out.

GROWTH FACTORS:

CJC-1295 DAC: the big daddy of growth hormone releasing peptides
Pricing: $$$
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: inject
Frequency of administration: 2x per week
Length of use: 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Best paired with: Ipamorelin or MK-677, androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: same sides as HGH
Equivalent to: 6 IU’s per day of HGH
Dosage: 5mg/week
Source: swisschems.is


MK-677: a cult classic
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 2.5/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: stop using when you reach prediabetic blood sugar levels when used alone, but sync use with CJC-1295 DAC if pairing them together
Best paired with: CJC-1295 DAC, androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: very strong hunger, side effects of HGH too
Equivalent to: 4 IU’s per day of HGH
Dosage: 25mg every day
Source: swisschems.is

HGH: where it all started
Pricing: $$$$$
Effectiveness: 4.5/5
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: take a break when you reach prediabetic blood sugar levels
Best paired with: androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Potential side effects: type 2 diabetes, growth of the head, growth of the ears, growth of the nose, muscle/joint pain, headaches, nausea, ‘roid gut’ (if taken for prolonged periods of time with no breaks or precautions like a retard)
Equivalent to: n/a
Dosage: 8-10 IU’s per day
Source: just search ‘buy HGH usa/uk/wherever you live’

ANDROGENS:

Testosterone Propionate
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 3/5
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: once per day
Length of use: can be cycled for 12 weeks, but we will sync it with CJC for 4 week cycles
Best paired with: growth factors, other androgens
Benefits: mental clarity, motivation, aggression, masculinization of the frame, increased muscle growth+fat loss
Side effects: temporary shutdown of natural testosterone/sperm production, higher risk of hair loss, higher risk of developing acne not just on the face but on the body too, gyno from increased levels of estrogen
Dosage: 500mg/week, split into daily doses
Source: search ‘steroids usa/uk/wherever you live’.

DHT
Pricing: n/a
Effectiveness: 5/5
Method of administration: n/a, your body will convert a good deal of the T you inject into DHT
Frequency of administration: n/a
Length of use: n/a
Best paired with: growth factors, other androgens
Benefits: clear mind, beard growth, muscle and bone development
Side effects: hair loss, some other shit nobody cares about (look it up for a longer list)
Source: your own body

SIDE EFFECT MITIGATORS

Aromasin (exemestane)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevention of too high estrogen
Side effects: if you dose it too high you will experience libido issues and ED along with a myriad of other problems
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every other day
Length of use: as long as you’re using the testosterone
Best paired with: n/a
Dosage: 25mg
Source: swisschems.is


Ketoconazole shampoo (mandatory unless bald)
Pricing: $
Benefits: mitigate hair loss from raised DHT on cycle
Side effects: none
Effectiveness: 2/5
Method of administration: apply it topically, leave it in for ten minutes
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: until the day you die, or the day you shave your head (same thing)
Source: intelligent.shop

Topical Dutasteride (if you start losing hair despite the ketoconazole)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevents hair loss in the scalp
Side effects: small chance it goes into the bloodstream, but you’re going to be taking enough testosterone that it wouldn’t matter.
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: rub into the scalp
Frequency of administration: every day after a shower
Length of use: when on cycle
Source: you may not be able to get it in your country, but try to find it online. If you can’t find topical dutasteride, you may have to resort to regular old finasteride pills. There is no point using topical finasteride instead, it goes systemic all the same.

Eucapil (if you start losing hair despite the ketoconazole)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevents hair loss through a different method to the dutasteride, you want both
Side effects: same as the topical dutasteride
Effectiveness: 3/5
Method of administration: rub into the scalp
Frequency of administration: every day after a shower
Length of use: when on cycle
Source: this one is for my europecels, but you might be able to order it from NA. If you can’t find Eucapil online, see how you respond to RU48861, and if you don’t get awful side effects then keep using it.

Water fasting
This costs nothing, and yet I know you subhumans won’t do it
At the end of each 1 month cycle, do a 4 day water fast to prevent roid gut

Water fasting gets rid of visceral fat (the cause of roid gut)

Insulin Mimetics
I won’t go too in depth, but if we use MK-677 and CJC-1295 to constantly force ourselves to produce HGH, we need to assist our body in responding to those demands, otherwise it wears out and damages our pituitary gland. The tool to do this is an insulin mimetic. I would recommend Slin pills from getenhanced.shop

Acne stuff
If you are prone to acne, you have 2 options.
Either framemaxx without androgens and use growth factors exclusively
Or use androgens and growth factors while taking almost every anti-acne precaution under the sun.
I’m talking about amazing skin hygiene, good routine, supplements, everything.
500mg test will light up your skin otherwise, and you’ll have to get the scars removed.

Post-cycle therapy
If you want to have a functioning ballsack, you must have a PCT after each month on cycle.

To make this easier for you, I’ve recommended Test Propionate as the steroid of choice earlier on in this guide so that it clears the system faster when you stop.

In the first week after you finish your cycle, inject 1000-5000 IU of HCG daily.

For the next 3 weeks after that, take 25mg of clomid and 20mg of Nolvadex every day.

Ideal cycle:
On cycle (4 weeks):

Testosterone Propionate	Start at 150mg/week for your first cycle. This is to see how you react to steroids, and if you are the type to get volcano full-body acne. If it goes well, increase to 200mg/week for the next cycle, and so on and so forth until the side effects are noticeable, at which point back off a bit.
Aromasin	25mg every other day
MK-677	25mg every day
CJC-1295 DAC	5mg/week, 2.5mg on Mon. and Thu.
Dietary supplements	Calcium, Magnesium, Boron, Black cumin, Aspirin
Huperzine-A	200mcg 3x a day
Slin pills (or some form of insulin mimetic)	Two pills after each meal

Off cycle (4 weeks):

Water fast	First three days, take vitamins if you want.
HCG	Use for the first week only. 1000-5000 IU’s per day, depending on how much you can spare.
Clomid	25mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4
Nolvadex	20mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4

And then repeat.

Diet/Supplements

You need to think about building bone like you think about building muscle.

You aren’t going to build much muscle if you don’t eat enough protein and if you’re not in a caloric surplus.

The same principles must be applied when framemaxxing, but swap protein for calcium, magnesium, and vitamin K2.

There are many other micronutrients which help with bone, but those are the big three.

Below is a list of the micros you need and where to get them.

Try to get as many of these from your diet as you can, so that you absorb them better and you save money on supplements.

ED: every day

Nutrients
Vitamin K2 MK4: 60mgED, buy powder from alibaba/aliexpress
Vitamin D: 4000iuED from milk, fortified cereal, fish (salmon). Use supps if necessary
Vitamin C: 1000mgED from orange juice and supplements if necessary
Vitamin B: 25mgED from milk, eggs, beef, salmon, fortified cereal, pork, yoghurt, chicken
Copper: ~4mgED from dark chocolate and almonds
Potassium: 4gED from potatoes, yoghurt, salmon, orange juice
Calcium: 3000mgED from milk, whey, egg, fortified cereal, yoghurt. Supplement if necessary.
Magnesium: Start with 600mgED, and try to get up to 1500mg. Milk, almonds, brown rice but for the most part it will be supplements.
Boron: 9mgED from raisins, apple, and supps
Zinc: 22mgED from beef, pork, lamb, milk, yoghurt, eggs, dark chocolate, whole grains
Collagen: 30-60gED from salmon, chicken, beef, eggs, orange juice, red/yellow peppers, garlic
Protein: fish, meat, eggs, dairy
Fatty acids: fish, meat, eggs, dairy
Omega 3: 2000mgED from king mackerel, salmon

Supplements which the diet doesn’t contribute to at all include cinnamon, berberine, black cumin and aspirin.

I estimate that if you do it all as I’ve detailed when it comes to hormones, diet and training, you could probably increase your biacromial width (distance between the outermost end of your clavicles) by 2 inches with 3-6 cycles. As someone who is committed to starting this in the next year, I will keep you up to date with how long it takes me.

Spoiler: Section 2.5: Surgical Options

If you have awful frame potential and you end up only getting an inch wider from framemaxxing, AND you’re rich as hell, then you could get clavicle lengthening surgery.

After surgery, you are about 1.5 inches wider than before.

This surgery costs:

• $26k with Eppley
• $51k with Leif Rodgers

It’s definitely risky though.

Here is an example of a clavicle lengthening patient from Rodgers:

Spoiler: Section 3: increasing bone density

After increasing your bideltoid by 1-2 inches from framemaxxing, you will develop a strong urge to stare at your frame in the mirror and touch yourself. I’m not going to stop you, but you must realise there are a few more steps to this whole framemaxxing thing.

Your bones will be wider, sure, but they will also be thin and prone to fracture.

To solve this, we’re going to make your bones more dense and rugged.

By increasing your bone density, we’ll inadvertently increase your muscle-building potential too, which helps us later down the line.

TO INCREASE BONE DENSITY, USE THE EXACT SAME DRUGS AND DIET AS BEFORE, WE’RE ONLY CHANGING THE TYPE OF TRAINING.

We will be utilising heavy compound movements to put stress on as many bones as possible throughout the upper body.

Exercise 1: bench press
Everyone knows how to do this. If you don’t, watch a Jeff Nippard video. Bench pressing in the heavy rep zone (3-5) with good form and this diet and drugs should result in thicker wrists.

Exercise 2: deadlift
Whilst I’m trying not to include too many lower body movements here as a V-taper looks better than an X-taper, deadlifts are still good as the shoulders and arms act as hooks for the barbell.

Exercise 3: overhead press
Same thing for bench press. Look it up if you aren’t a gymcel and you don’t know what it is. Also good for wrist development

Exercise 4: farmer’s carries.
very sexy movement even for classic hypertrophy. good for arm/wrist development.



Exercise 5: Barbell rows
It can feel a bit awkward to begin with, but you’ll get used to it

Exercise 6: Incline bench press
This here hits the clavicles directly as it’s on the exact same plane. Wrist development.

Exercise 7: Upwards rows



For each of these exercises do 3-5 heavy reps.

You could probably hit mogger bone density with one cycle while doing these exercises 5-6 days a week. Although it wouldn’t be overkill to do a second cycle.

Spoiler: Section 4: Hyperplasia

Explaining hyperplasia
Everyone who’s so far as watched an Athlean-X video knows about hypertrophy, the process where your muscle fibres get bigger in response to stimuli, but hardly anyone has heard about hypertrophy’s older brother: hyperplasia.

Hyperplasia makes new muscle cells, instead of just making the old ones bigger.

And the best part about it is that once you have these new muscle cells, there’s no losing them. You could eat like shit and train like a spaz, but you’d still have those muscles.

In terms of building size, hyperplasia isn’t necessarily superior to hypertrophy, but by increasing the number of muscle cells before you pump them up with hypertrophy, you strongly increase your muscle-building potential and you can surpass what would otherwise have been your ‘natural limit’.

Meaning that even if you were born with less muscle cells than average, you could make up for it and more if you could undergo hyperplasia again.

So that’s exactly what we’re going to do.

By combining a good diet, unorthodox training regimes and a few ‘special supplements’, we can increase the number of muscle cells in the muscles that matter: the lats, delts, chest and arms.

Training for hyperplasia

Training for hyperplasia is very odd, but here are the steps:

1. Pick two aesthetic muscles (or genetic weak points for you in terms of musculature)
2. Train both of them every day with five sets of 30 reps. Make sure your rests are short enough that you stay warm and that your muscles get a good pump of blood going to them.
3. After directly exercising, perform weighted stretches. This is where you stretch out a muscle with weight pulling the other way. An example of this for the lats would be a dead hang. An example for the biceps would be holding a dumbbell at ~5% of your curl range of motion, so it isn’t just hanging there but you aren’t bringing it up either.
4. Do this for a month.
5. Once you have finished that month, do not train for the next month.
6. Repeat with two new muscle groups.

Now, you won’t be noticeably bigger after doing this, but your muscle-building potential will be far higher. It’s the same difference between an empty gun and a loaded gun. You can’t tell the difference from looking at them but one is a whole lot more dangerous (or in our case, one is far more primed to build muscle)

This is putting the building blocks in place, setting the foundation. It isn’t constructing the skyscraper on top of it, that comes later.

Drugs and hormones for hyperplasia

MK-677:
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: very strong hunger, side effects of HGH too
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 2.5/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Best paired with: In this case, IGF-1 DES and MGF
Dosage: 25mg every day
Source: swisschems.is

MGF
Benefits: MGF induces hyperplasia by preparing the muscle cells for IGF-1 to do its magic
Side effects: hypoglycemia potentially, but it’s so short acting that you would only get side effects with PEG-MGF, the long lasting version.
Pricing: $
Method of administration: IM injection
Frequency of administration: into the muscles you’re about to work out
Length of use: 4 weeks on/off
Dosage: 200 mcg divided equally between muscles which you are about to train
Source: swisschems.is

IGF-1 DES
Benefits: in this context, IGF-1 causes the growth of new muscle cells
Side effects: headaches, muscle pains, joint pains, nausea, hypoglycemia
Pricing: $$
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: inject it into muscles you’ve worked after exercising.
Length of use: 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
Dosage: 200 mcg per day, divided evenly between muscles used. You can go down to 100 mcg per day if you start experiencing side effects.
Source: swisschems.is

Diet and supplements for hyperplasia

Use the same diet you used for framemaxxing, but forget the excessive calcium and magnesium.

We’re using different supplements this time.

We need to upregulate the androgen receptor so that we have more satellite cells and proteins available to make new muscle cells.

The supplements we’ll be using for that are arachidonic acid, L-carnitine L-tartrate, Forskolin, Niacinamide and Huperzine-A.

If you want to do even more, you can add Caffeine, L-dopa and Tribulus Terrestris

If you can’t get all of them in your country it’s fine, but they do help.

To offset the side effects of MK-677, we’ll be using Slin pills so that our pituitary gland isn’t raped by the constant insulin demand.

Cycles I would recommend (in terms of which muscles to focus on) include the following:

• Biceps and rear delts
• Chest and lats
• Side delts and triceps

I will personally do each of the cycles above twice for good measure.

Rear delts are on the list, which may surprise some, however they are more important than you think when it comes to frame. Rear delts insert just under the side delt, meaning that having large rear delts pushes out your side delts further, making you even wider.

These aren’t the only muscles you could do this with, but you must be comfortable with injecting them. You could probably do neck and forearms, but neck is a bit too sketchy for me and the forearms have so many different muscles and training them all individually is long.

A general cycle design:
On cycle:

MK-677	25mg/day
MGF	200 mcg pre-workout, divided equally into muscles about to be trained
IGF-1 DES	200 mcg post-workout, divided equally into muscles about to be trained
Slin pills	2 after each meal
Testosterone Propionate	If you were young enough to framemaxx, use the largest tolerable dose you figured out in section 2. If you were too old for section 2: Start at 150mg/week for your first cycle. This is to see how you react to steroids, and to test if you are the type to get volcano full-body acne. If it goes well, increase to 200mg/week for the next cycle, and so on and so forth until the side effects are noticeable, at which point back off a bit on dosage.
General supplements	Arachidonic acid (post workout), L-carnitine L-tartrate, Forskolin, Niacinamide, Huperzine-A.

Off cycle:

Water fast	First three days, take vitamins if you want.
HCG	Use for the first week only. 1000-5000 IU’s per day, depending on how much you can spare.
Clomid	25mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4
Nolvadex	20mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4

You can do multiple cycles for the same muscle group if you want, but I don’t know how much more effective it would be, if more effective at all.

Spoiler: Section 5: Hypertrophy

This is where the fun begins. You’ve worked tirelessly to increase your bone density and give yourself more muscle cells, now it’s time to put that to the test and see how big you can get.

This will be done by taking all of your pre-existing muscle cells along with your new ones and pumping them up.

You will be bulking. This means eating a lot of protein in a caloric surplus with training in a progressive overload manner.

Feel free to use steroids or SARMs to get to the final goal faster, but you won’t keep any gains over your body’s limit (which has been raised due to your prior efforts).

The supplements I suggest for this are:
MK-677 - 25mg every morning (should be cycled 3 months on, 3 months off)
Slin pills - 2 post-meal (only needed when using MK-677)
Creatine - 5g/day
Turkesterone from gorillamind.com - 4 pills per day, spaced out evenly
Arachidonic acid post-workout - 750-1500mg
Ashwagandha - 300-1200mg in the evening (must be cycled 3 months on, 3 months off)
Sarm AC-262 - 20mg every morning

The MK-677 and slin pills are not a MUST but if you’re anything like me, eating loads of good food is difficult, and MK-677 increases your appetite a lot. Plus it can help put on a couple pounds of muscle but it’s nothing crazy.

Same goes for Sarm AC-262, as it isn’t entirely needed but it increases T and gains with no side effects so why not. However you should definitely get blood tests done if you use this to make sure you aren't getting your testosterone suppressed, which could very well happen. If that is the case, either stop using it or go on a post-cycle therapy when you aren't using it.

You should eat 1.5g of protein per lb of lean body mass, and eat in a caloric surplus of 200 calories. Increase your caloric intake by 50 per week using almonds, and after 10 weeks add an entire new meal to the plan. If you struggle to do this, drink pasteurized egg whites with 0 calorie chocolate sauce. Pure protein.

Use a classic PPL split, 6 days on with a day of rest for the lord.



Drink a lot of water, train hard, increase the weight/number of reps each session.

Use good form, stick to the same exercises. I recommend watching Team 3D Alpha’s videos on best exercises for each muscle group.

https://www.youtube.com/c/TeamThreeDAlpha

SLEEP. Sleep for a minimum of 8 hours per night and a maximum of 10. The closer you get to 10, the better

Train with 20 sets per week for each muscle group, except for your legs. Do 10 sets per week for lower body. As I said, v-taper mogs x-taper.

Reaching maximum muscle potential will take around 2 years of bulking, but if we’re only working out for female gaze you only need to bulk for a year before cutting to 12-14% bf for maximum appeal.

For my hipcels out there, remember to put emphasis on the obliques when training abs. By going from a negative waist:hip ratio to an even waist:hip ratio you look far more masculine.

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Once you’ve bulked for a year or however long, just eat in a caloric deficit and train just as hard. You can take certain supplements to lose weight faster but there’s no point. Continue until you have a 4-pack, which I consider to be maximum appeal.

Spoiler: Section 6: Miscellanous (but vital) information

1. This goes without saying, but practise good posture for an extra 0.5-1 inch of perceived bideltoid instantly.
2. If your shoulders are super fucked even after framemaxxing and gymcelling, you can get shoulder implants to add an inch to your bideltoid, but I don’t know how much they cost or how long they last.
3. Whilst 10% bodyfat with a 6-pack looks more ‘aesthetic’, you will be healthier and have greater appeal at 12-14% with a 4-pack, as you are still muscular and ‘lean’, but you don’t look like a veiny tryhard which is what girls despise.
4. This is gonna sound weird, but don’t wear a backpack or carry around stuff with you when framemaxxing. This one study showed that when adolescent chicks would wear weighted sacks strapped to their body, their bones didn’t grow as long as their counterparts.
5. Sleep on your back instead of your side when framemaxxing. Don’t ask why it works, it just does.
6. Framemaxxing can be achieved without drugs to some extent, IF YOU ARE A TEENAGER. Your IGF-1 and HGH levels aren’t that bad as a late teen even if you’ve stopped growing, so if you just follow the diet and exercise you could definitely see some results, but it would take longer no doubt.
7. I can already see the comments saying ‘do I need to buy from swisschems.is? It’s expensive’ and the answer is not necessarily. The reason I recommend swisschmes is because they provide proof of third-party testing for all of their products, which 9/10 websites don’t. If you can find legit stuff in your country for less, by all means use it.
8. Another thing for hipcels, you can get liposuction on your hips to make them appear narrower than they really are compared to the rest of your body. I will be doing this and will post results in the future.
9. If you can use HGH instead of CJC-1295 and MK-677 (let’s say you’re a richcel) then do it. It places less stress on the pituitary gland.
10. Ratios matter more than size. If you have a 23 inch bideltoid, but wide hips, then it doesn’t matter. If you have wide shoulders, but they look compressed onto your ribcage, it doesn’t matter. If you have wide shoulders with a feminine waist:hip ratio, it doesn’t matter.
11. The ideal ratios are as following:

Shoulder to hip ratio: 1.8-1.9
Shoulder to rib cage ratio: 1.7-1.8
Waist to hip ratio: 1-1.1

12. Safety:
Use a blood glucose monitor each day on cycle to make sure you aren’t getting diabetes.

Do not reuse needles. use rubbing alcohol on the injection site prior to injection.

Wash your hands before injecting. inject testosterone subcutaneously (into the fat, not the muscle) for a slower, more steady release which will reduce risk of acne.

Have a sharps disposal container for the needles.

When reconstituting the peptides, do not shake the vial or inject the water with force, treat it like a baby as peptides are fragile and can become less effective or ineffective if shaken. Also, keep the peptides out of sunlight, preferably in a refrigerator.

When using testosterone for framemaxxing, GET BLOOD TESTS DONE. You need to know the hormone levels behind your side effects, otherwise you will make them worse. You need to know your estradiol/estrogen levels, most importantly. I say this because we already know your T is going to be through the roof, so a lot of side effects will be from having too low estrogen from overkill with the aromasin, or high estrogen from not enough aromasin.

13. Androgens are definitely important for framemaxxing. It's the difference between the frame of a 5'8" man and and a 5'9" woman. One has had far higher levels of testosterone and DHT throughout their life and the other has not. If you can't use them (say you would lose all your hair or get volcano acne) then fair enough but it shouldn't be overlooked.

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Spoiler: Section 7: evidence and studies

Just trust me bro, you weren’t gonna read any of that shit anyways.

Spoiler: Section 8: Conclusion

If you are a lanklet, you can get a wide frame and mog.
If you are a manlet framelet, you can get a wide frame and cope (or get LL)

Ultimately, the frame can be widened despite shitty genetics, you just need to know how to overcome them.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on here. I rate frames as well, so feel free to post. If I’ve missed anything let me know.

Do not DM me about this unless it’s progress which you’ve made.

Anyway, time to get back to mogging Londonistan subhumans.

Spoiler: Tags

Tags:
@Predeterminism
@fruitgunpop
@STEVE GAMING
@Tallooksmaxxer
@jabaduk
@Enkidu
@zv1212
@Melon
@ErbCel
@sub5inchcel
@breedme
@evap0
@Tobias Fünke
@TeenAscender
@mvp2v1
@Unsh
@ArdaxHG
@hockeyguy64785
@Mateusz74
@Leo Carryn
@Dystopian
@callisto
@StuffedFrog
@pneumocystosis
@SoonToAscend
@Nims
@IceBreaker0
@Mongrelcel
@stevielake
@Elvisandreaa
@LightSkinNoob
@enchanted_elixir
@SteveRogers
@Ada Mustang
@deadlock

What would be a nice workout split you’d recommend to people who are on something like the cycle you described?

 

[robocooop2006@gmail]

im 16 years old, 180cm, this is my frame. Is this beyond brutal and i should just rope or do i have hope to at least have a little bit above avg frame?

 

[Deleted member 23865]

tldr. copers.org. frame is genetic

 

[the_nextDavidLaid]

if you use any other drugs that are not specifically for framemaxxing such HGH for height or whatever should you just do it all together? What to do then?

 

[Deleted member 27219]

Lmao did this actually work for anyone? I really doubt you can change bone structure with exercise

 

[Deleted member 27219]

The gh and shit might do something but exercise alone I really doubt any skeletal changes are going to happen

 

[Deleted member 27219]

im 16 years old, 180cm, this is my frame. Is this beyond brutal and i should just rope or do i have hope to at least have a little bit above avg frame?

Your frame is at least square which means muscle will grow better onto it, you can gymcel and if you gain enough muscle you'll look okay

 

[beingmoreattractive]

Spoiler: Section 1: Introduction

As many of you know, frame is almost as important as height when it comes to sexual dimorphism and attraction as per Ada Mustang’s BoTB thread here: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-de...ulder-pill-this-has-destroyed-my-life.221490/

Read it if you haven’t already.

But for tldr-fags who can’t be arsed, frame is essentially the deciding factor on how aesthetic and intimidating you would look with muscle.

‘But daddy ATF!!’ you exclaim ‘My frame has been poisoned by low prenatal T and jewish pseudo-estrogens in my adolescent diet! Whatever shall I do??’

That is where framemaxxing comes in.

Framemaxxing: the process of going from a twink-framed cuck to a wide, maesthetic sex symbol

This result is from @Ada Mustang, who managed to go from a framecel to a chad-tier physique through gymcelling and some ‘special supplements’ you’ll learn about later.

The ultimate formula to framemaxx is the following:

• Widening the frame
• Increase your bone density
• Increase the number of muscle fibres in muscles important to frame
• Make these muscle fibres bigger
• If all else fails, go under the knife

Even a hipcel could get a v-taper following this formula, and I am going to become proof of that in the years to come.

But this is not for everyone. Unless you’re a richcel who’s just going to get the surgery and call it a day, this will require a lot of effort on your part.

So don’t complain to me about not seeing results if you’re half-assing training, diet, drugs, recovery etc.

Now before we get into the nitty-gritty details, let’s set our goals.

A young man with a bad frame potential can become 2 inches wider (an inch from bone and an inch from muscle), and from there he could get clavicle lengthening (CL) surgery if he had the money. This may seem underwhelming but a 20in bidelt is noticeably wider than 18in.

A young man with average frame potential can become 4 inches wider (2 inches from bone, 2 inches from muscle), and from there he could get CL but you wouldn’t really need it. I know it sounds unrealistic but that’s because NOBODY tries to broaden the frame itself.

A young man with a good frame potential can become 5 inches (2in from bone, 3 inches from muscle) wider, CL would be a huge waste of money.

(Frame potential is decided by how young you are, how good your muscle-building genetics are, and what your clavicle shape/insertions look like).

And without further ado, let’s nuke your brains with a clusterfuck of bone science theory, endocrinology and bro-science.

Spoiler: Section 2: widening the frame

If you are 25 or older, skip to Section 4.

Exercises/stretches

SHOULDERS

Exercise 1: Reeves Deadlifts (Reeves Shrugs)
Target: clavicles and scapula

The Reeves deadlift was developed by silver-age bodybuilder Steve Reeves in the early 1900s, and he himself claimed to have become 2 inches wider in his skeletal frame along with his musculature.

It is performed by fitting weight plates to a barbell, standing upright, gripping these weights by the handle and then trying to move your shoulders back as far as possible, retracting your scapula.

Your arms/shoulders should feel slightly uncomfortable with the grip.

The bar should end up being raised slightly during the movement.

Here’s a video with a bit more detail:



Exercise 2: Hercules Holds
Target: clavicles and scapula

Hercules holds are usually a strongman event, but here we will be using them to widen our frame.

Take two cables facing each other and place the grips so that they are shoulder-height. Adjust the weight and then stand evenly between the two cable machines, holding on to both grips as long as possible.

Do these as heavy as possible for sets of 60 seconds.

You can go longer with these without tiring your grip if you use lifting straps

These can also be done with one cable machine if you cannot find the right setup. (Or if you have an asymmetrical frame, you can prioritise one shoulder over the other by doing one cable at a time).

You should feel this in the shoulder area, if your arms are dead-straight.

Exercise 3: wide grip lat pulldowns
Target: clavicles and scapula

With the same apparatus as the previous exercise, place both grips as high as possible on the cable machine, adjust the weight and then sit between the two machines.

Again, if your gym doesn’t have the opposite facing cable machine then just use a lat pulldown machine instead but it isn’t as good.

From here you just perform simple lat pulldowns. With your shoulders retracted, pull each grip as close to your body as possible at the same time. Perform sets of 12. Once you can reach 12 reps on a weight, increase the weight. I will post a video of me doing this in the comments when I get home from my holiday.

This can be performed using a pull-up bar instead if you don’t have access to a gym or if your gym doesn’t have this set-up

Exercise 4: wide-grip dead hangs.
Target: clavicles, scapula

Using the exact same set-up you used for the wide-grip lat pulldowns (or pullups), perform dead-hangs where you just let the weights pull you apart, or you just hang from a bar with as wide a grip as you can without it being uncomfortable on the shoulder girdle (that could cause injury).

Perform this exercise as long as possible, this is another scenario where you can use lifting straps as fatigue doesn’t matter for this one, only the amount of force which is being applied to the shoulders.

Stretch 1: ‘Shoulder Dislocations’
Target: general shoulder girdle

Take a broomstick or something similar and hold it in front of you with your arms spaced equally apart.

Move the stick above your head and try to push it as far back behind you without bending your arms.

Breathe during the stretch and almost ‘bounce’ the your arms in that you move them as far back as possible, and then move them slightly forward again before repeating the motion.

Do these for sets of 30-60s

Exercise 5: back-stroke (Swimming)
Target: Shoulders

Perform backstroke for 15-20 minutes, if you need to break that down into smaller sets then that’s fine. Volume matters more than doing it all at once.

I’m not going to describe this to you. You can look it up on youtube, if you don’t know how to swim. If you can’t swim, that’s fine, don’t do the swimming exercises but they do work.

Exercise 6: butterfly (swimming)
Target: Shoulders

Perform butterfly for 5-10 minutes. This is a much more demanding, explosive exercise which is why it is shorter in time.

Same thing goes for back-stroke, except this is harder to learn on youtube. I would recommend swimming lessons for this one.

Stretch 2: lat spread

Literally just perform a lat-spread and hold it there as long as possible. My gymcels know what’s up.

Take your thumbs and place them behind you, hooking them underneath the back of your ribcage (more or less).

From this position, move your elbows and shoulders as forwards as possible and hold the position as long as possible.

Unlike the traditional lat spread which bodybuilders use to pose, you do not need to actually flex any muscles here, just perform the stretch.

Sets of 30-60s are appropriate but feel free to do it for longer.


RIBCAGE

Exercise 1: Dumbbell or EZ-bar pullovers
Target: ribcage

Take a dumbbell or ez-bar of appropriate weight and lay down on a bench.
With the weight behind your head and your arms stretched out, pull the weight so that it is above your chest/neck area, and then repeat. Keep your arms relatively straight at all times. You will definitely feel this one on your sternum, it should be uncomfortable, bordering on slightly painful but nothing more. Sets of 12 yadayadayada

Exercise 2: Stomach vacuums
Target: ribcage

whilst standing up in front of your bed (or couch, or anything soft to break your fall), take 5 seconds to exhale all the air from your lungs (exhale even more, there’s more than you think), and then suck in your stomach as far as possible. Hold this position until you feel too light-headed to continue or until your stomach muscles give up. This exercise has the added bonus of shrinking your waist a bit (over time). This should feel a bit weird in the gut area.

video resource:

it should look something like this if you’re lean:

Exercise 3: breathing squats
Target: ribcage

This is a standard barbell squat where you hold your breath for the majority of the movement, exhaling sharply when you approach full extension of the legs. You will feel high pressure/tension throughout your body. For the first 5 reps, complete the exercise as I have just described. For the 10 reps after that, take 2 deep breaths between each squat. For the last 5 reps, take 4 deep breaths between each squat.

This is a pretty basic movement so I won’t describe it but here’s a video explaining how it’s done:

(The guy in the video says 3 breaths between each rep, what he means is 2 breaths between and then hold the third breath during the rep. Same applies when he says 5 breaths between each rep.)

Exercise 4: deep breath freestyle (swimming)
Target: a little bit of the shoulders, mostly ribcage

Literally just front-crawl/freestyle, but try to hold your breath as long as possible between each time you go up for air. Should feel as if the air is trying to burst out of you.

Hormones/Drugs

Congratulations to all who have made it this far. We are only through the first subsection of Section 1, and yet this has already filtered most of the attentionspancels.

Here I am going to tell you:

• which drugs you can use
• which dosages to use them in
• how long to use them for
• the side effects they have
• where you can buy them
• a ‘cycle’ you could copy, which tells you which of these drugs you need to use and which you can leave out.

GROWTH FACTORS:

CJC-1295 DAC: the big daddy of growth hormone releasing peptides
Pricing: $$$
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: inject
Frequency of administration: 2x per week
Length of use: 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Best paired with: Ipamorelin or MK-677, androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: same sides as HGH
Equivalent to: 6 IU’s per day of HGH
Dosage: 5mg/week
Source: swisschems.is


MK-677: a cult classic
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 2.5/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: stop using when you reach prediabetic blood sugar levels when used alone, but sync use with CJC-1295 DAC if pairing them together
Best paired with: CJC-1295 DAC, androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: very strong hunger, side effects of HGH too
Equivalent to: 4 IU’s per day of HGH
Dosage: 25mg every day
Source: swisschems.is

HGH: where it all started
Pricing: $$$$$
Effectiveness: 4.5/5
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: take a break when you reach prediabetic blood sugar levels
Best paired with: androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Potential side effects: type 2 diabetes, growth of the head, growth of the ears, growth of the nose, muscle/joint pain, headaches, nausea, ‘roid gut’ (if taken for prolonged periods of time with no breaks or precautions like a retard)
Equivalent to: n/a
Dosage: 8-10 IU’s per day
Source: just search ‘buy HGH usa/uk/wherever you live’

ANDROGENS:

Testosterone Propionate
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 3/5
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: once per day
Length of use: can be cycled for 12 weeks, but we will sync it with CJC for 4 week cycles
Best paired with: growth factors, other androgens
Benefits: mental clarity, motivation, aggression, masculinization of the frame, increased muscle growth+fat loss
Side effects: temporary shutdown of natural testosterone/sperm production, higher risk of hair loss, higher risk of developing acne not just on the face but on the body too, gyno from increased levels of estrogen
Dosage: 500mg/week, split into daily doses
Source: search ‘steroids usa/uk/wherever you live’.

DHT
Pricing: n/a
Effectiveness: 5/5
Method of administration: n/a, your body will convert a good deal of the T you inject into DHT
Frequency of administration: n/a
Length of use: n/a
Best paired with: growth factors, other androgens
Benefits: clear mind, beard growth, muscle and bone development
Side effects: hair loss, some other shit nobody cares about (look it up for a longer list)
Source: your own body

SIDE EFFECT MITIGATORS

Aromasin (exemestane)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevention of too high estrogen
Side effects: if you dose it too high you will experience libido issues and ED along with a myriad of other problems
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every other day
Length of use: as long as you’re using the testosterone
Best paired with: n/a
Dosage: 25mg
Source: swisschems.is


Ketoconazole shampoo (mandatory unless bald)
Pricing: $
Benefits: mitigate hair loss from raised DHT on cycle
Side effects: none
Effectiveness: 2/5
Method of administration: apply it topically, leave it in for ten minutes
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: until the day you die, or the day you shave your head (same thing)
Source: intelligent.shop

Topical Dutasteride (if you start losing hair despite the ketoconazole)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevents hair loss in the scalp
Side effects: small chance it goes into the bloodstream, but you’re going to be taking enough testosterone that it wouldn’t matter.
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: rub into the scalp
Frequency of administration: every day after a shower
Length of use: when on cycle
Source: you may not be able to get it in your country, but try to find it online. If you can’t find topical dutasteride, you may have to resort to regular old finasteride pills. There is no point using topical finasteride instead, it goes systemic all the same.

Eucapil (if you start losing hair despite the ketoconazole)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevents hair loss through a different method to the dutasteride, you want both
Side effects: same as the topical dutasteride
Effectiveness: 3/5
Method of administration: rub into the scalp
Frequency of administration: every day after a shower
Length of use: when on cycle
Source: this one is for my europecels, but you might be able to order it from NA. If you can’t find Eucapil online, see how you respond to RU48861, and if you don’t get awful side effects then keep using it.

Water fasting
This costs nothing, and yet I know you subhumans won’t do it
At the end of each 1 month cycle, do a 4 day water fast to prevent roid gut

Water fasting gets rid of visceral fat (the cause of roid gut)

Insulin Mimetics
I won’t go too in depth, but if we use MK-677 and CJC-1295 to constantly force ourselves to produce HGH, we need to assist our body in responding to those demands, otherwise it wears out and damages our pituitary gland. The tool to do this is an insulin mimetic. I would recommend Slin pills from getenhanced.shop

Acne stuff
If you are prone to acne, you have 2 options.
Either framemaxx without androgens and use growth factors exclusively
Or use androgens and growth factors while taking almost every anti-acne precaution under the sun.
I’m talking about amazing skin hygiene, good routine, supplements, everything.
500mg test will light up your skin otherwise, and you’ll have to get the scars removed.

Post-cycle therapy
If you want to have a functioning ballsack, you must have a PCT after each month on cycle.

To make this easier for you, I’ve recommended Test Propionate as the steroid of choice earlier on in this guide so that it clears the system faster when you stop.

In the first week after you finish your cycle, inject 1000-5000 IU of HCG daily.

For the next 3 weeks after that, take 25mg of clomid and 20mg of Nolvadex every day.

Ideal cycle:
On cycle (4 weeks):

Testosterone Propionate	Start at 150mg/week for your first cycle. This is to see how you react to steroids, and if you are the type to get volcano full-body acne. If it goes well, increase to 200mg/week for the next cycle, and so on and so forth until the side effects are noticeable, at which point back off a bit.
Aromasin	25mg every other day
MK-677	25mg every day
CJC-1295 DAC	5mg/week, 2.5mg on Mon. and Thu.
Dietary supplements	Calcium, Magnesium, Boron, Black cumin, Aspirin
Huperzine-A	200mcg 3x a day
Slin pills (or some form of insulin mimetic)	Two pills after each meal

Off cycle (4 weeks):

Water fast	First three days, take vitamins if you want.
HCG	Use for the first week only. 1000-5000 IU’s per day, depending on how much you can spare.
Clomid	25mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4
Nolvadex	20mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4

And then repeat.

Diet/Supplements

You need to think about building bone like you think about building muscle.

You aren’t going to build much muscle if you don’t eat enough protein and if you’re not in a caloric surplus.

The same principles must be applied when framemaxxing, but swap protein for calcium, magnesium, and vitamin K2.

There are many other micronutrients which help with bone, but those are the big three.

Below is a list of the micros you need and where to get them.

Try to get as many of these from your diet as you can, so that you absorb them better and you save money on supplements.

ED: every day

Nutrients
Vitamin K2 MK4: 60mgED, buy powder from alibaba/aliexpress
Vitamin D: 4000iuED from milk, fortified cereal, fish (salmon). Use supps if necessary
Vitamin C: 1000mgED from orange juice and supplements if necessary
Vitamin B: 25mgED from milk, eggs, beef, salmon, fortified cereal, pork, yoghurt, chicken
Copper: ~4mgED from dark chocolate and almonds
Potassium: 4gED from potatoes, yoghurt, salmon, orange juice
Calcium: 3000mgED from milk, whey, egg, fortified cereal, yoghurt. Supplement if necessary.
Magnesium: Start with 600mgED, and try to get up to 1500mg. Milk, almonds, brown rice but for the most part it will be supplements.
Boron: 9mgED from raisins, apple, and supps
Zinc: 22mgED from beef, pork, lamb, milk, yoghurt, eggs, dark chocolate, whole grains
Collagen: 30-60gED from salmon, chicken, beef, eggs, orange juice, red/yellow peppers, garlic
Protein: fish, meat, eggs, dairy
Fatty acids: fish, meat, eggs, dairy
Omega 3: 2000mgED from king mackerel, salmon

Supplements which the diet doesn’t contribute to at all include cinnamon, berberine, black cumin and aspirin.

I estimate that if you do it all as I’ve detailed when it comes to hormones, diet and training, you could probably increase your biacromial width (distance between the outermost end of your clavicles) by 2 inches with 3-6 cycles. As someone who is committed to starting this in the next year, I will keep you up to date with how long it takes me.

Spoiler: Section 2.5: Surgical Options

If you have awful frame potential and you end up only getting an inch wider from framemaxxing, AND you’re rich as hell, then you could get clavicle lengthening surgery.

After surgery, you are about 1.5 inches wider than before.

This surgery costs:

• $26k with Eppley
• $51k with Leif Rodgers

It’s definitely risky though.

Here is an example of a clavicle lengthening patient from Rodgers:

Spoiler: Section 3: increasing bone density

After increasing your bideltoid by 1-2 inches from framemaxxing, you will develop a strong urge to stare at your frame in the mirror and touch yourself. I’m not going to stop you, but you must realise there are a few more steps to this whole framemaxxing thing.

Your bones will be wider, sure, but they will also be thin and prone to fracture.

To solve this, we’re going to make your bones more dense and rugged.

By increasing your bone density, we’ll inadvertently increase your muscle-building potential too, which helps us later down the line.

TO INCREASE BONE DENSITY, USE THE EXACT SAME DRUGS AND DIET AS BEFORE, WE’RE ONLY CHANGING THE TYPE OF TRAINING.

We will be utilising heavy compound movements to put stress on as many bones as possible throughout the upper body.

Exercise 1: bench press
Everyone knows how to do this. If you don’t, watch a Jeff Nippard video. Bench pressing in the heavy rep zone (3-5) with good form and this diet and drugs should result in thicker wrists.

Exercise 2: deadlift
Whilst I’m trying not to include too many lower body movements here as a V-taper looks better than an X-taper, deadlifts are still good as the shoulders and arms act as hooks for the barbell.

Exercise 3: overhead press
Same thing for bench press. Look it up if you aren’t a gymcel and you don’t know what it is. Also good for wrist development

Exercise 4: farmer’s carries.
very sexy movement even for classic hypertrophy. good for arm/wrist development.



Exercise 5: Barbell rows
It can feel a bit awkward to begin with, but you’ll get used to it

Exercise 6: Incline bench press
This here hits the clavicles directly as it’s on the exact same plane. Wrist development.

Exercise 7: Upwards rows



For each of these exercises do 3-5 heavy reps.

You could probably hit mogger bone density with one cycle while doing these exercises 5-6 days a week. Although it wouldn’t be overkill to do a second cycle.

Spoiler: Section 4: Hyperplasia

Explaining hyperplasia
Everyone who’s so far as watched an Athlean-X video knows about hypertrophy, the process where your muscle fibres get bigger in response to stimuli, but hardly anyone has heard about hypertrophy’s older brother: hyperplasia.

Hyperplasia makes new muscle cells, instead of just making the old ones bigger.

And the best part about it is that once you have these new muscle cells, there’s no losing them. You could eat like shit and train like a spaz, but you’d still have those muscles.

In terms of building size, hyperplasia isn’t necessarily superior to hypertrophy, but by increasing the number of muscle cells before you pump them up with hypertrophy, you strongly increase your muscle-building potential and you can surpass what would otherwise have been your ‘natural limit’.

Meaning that even if you were born with less muscle cells than average, you could make up for it and more if you could undergo hyperplasia again.

So that’s exactly what we’re going to do.

By combining a good diet, unorthodox training regimes and a few ‘special supplements’, we can increase the number of muscle cells in the muscles that matter: the lats, delts, chest and arms.

Training for hyperplasia

Training for hyperplasia is very odd, but here are the steps:

1. Pick two aesthetic muscles (or genetic weak points for you in terms of musculature)
2. Train both of them every day with five sets of 30 reps. Make sure your rests are short enough that you stay warm and that your muscles get a good pump of blood going to them.
3. After directly exercising, perform weighted stretches. This is where you stretch out a muscle with weight pulling the other way. An example of this for the lats would be a dead hang. An example for the biceps would be holding a dumbbell at ~5% of your curl range of motion, so it isn’t just hanging there but you aren’t bringing it up either.
4. Do this for a month.
5. Once you have finished that month, do not train for the next month.
6. Repeat with two new muscle groups.

Now, you won’t be noticeably bigger after doing this, but your muscle-building potential will be far higher. It’s the same difference between an empty gun and a loaded gun. You can’t tell the difference from looking at them but one is a whole lot more dangerous (or in our case, one is far more primed to build muscle)

This is putting the building blocks in place, setting the foundation. It isn’t constructing the skyscraper on top of it, that comes later.

Drugs and hormones for hyperplasia

MK-677:
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: very strong hunger, side effects of HGH too
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 2.5/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Best paired with: In this case, IGF-1 DES and MGF
Dosage: 25mg every day
Source: swisschems.is

MGF
Benefits: MGF induces hyperplasia by preparing the muscle cells for IGF-1 to do its magic
Side effects: hypoglycemia potentially, but it’s so short acting that you would only get side effects with PEG-MGF, the long lasting version.
Pricing: $
Method of administration: IM injection
Frequency of administration: into the muscles you’re about to work out
Length of use: 4 weeks on/off
Dosage: 200 mcg divided equally between muscles which you are about to train
Source: swisschems.is

IGF-1 DES
Benefits: in this context, IGF-1 causes the growth of new muscle cells
Side effects: headaches, muscle pains, joint pains, nausea, hypoglycemia
Pricing: $$
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: inject it into muscles you’ve worked after exercising.
Length of use: 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
Dosage: 200 mcg per day, divided evenly between muscles used. You can go down to 100 mcg per day if you start experiencing side effects.
Source: swisschems.is

Diet and supplements for hyperplasia

Use the same diet you used for framemaxxing, but forget the excessive calcium and magnesium.

We’re using different supplements this time.

We need to upregulate the androgen receptor so that we have more satellite cells and proteins available to make new muscle cells.

The supplements we’ll be using for that are arachidonic acid, L-carnitine L-tartrate, Forskolin, Niacinamide and Huperzine-A.

If you want to do even more, you can add Caffeine, L-dopa and Tribulus Terrestris

If you can’t get all of them in your country it’s fine, but they do help.

To offset the side effects of MK-677, we’ll be using Slin pills so that our pituitary gland isn’t raped by the constant insulin demand.

Cycles I would recommend (in terms of which muscles to focus on) include the following:

• Biceps and rear delts
• Chest and lats
• Side delts and triceps

I will personally do each of the cycles above twice for good measure.

Rear delts are on the list, which may surprise some, however they are more important than you think when it comes to frame. Rear delts insert just under the side delt, meaning that having large rear delts pushes out your side delts further, making you even wider.

These aren’t the only muscles you could do this with, but you must be comfortable with injecting them. You could probably do neck and forearms, but neck is a bit too sketchy for me and the forearms have so many different muscles and training them all individually is long.

A general cycle design:
On cycle:

MK-677	25mg/day
MGF	200 mcg pre-workout, divided equally into muscles about to be trained
IGF-1 DES	200 mcg post-workout, divided equally into muscles about to be trained
Slin pills	2 after each meal
Testosterone Propionate	If you were young enough to framemaxx, use the largest tolerable dose you figured out in section 2. If you were too old for section 2: Start at 150mg/week for your first cycle. This is to see how you react to steroids, and to test if you are the type to get volcano full-body acne. If it goes well, increase to 200mg/week for the next cycle, and so on and so forth until the side effects are noticeable, at which point back off a bit on dosage.
General supplements	Arachidonic acid (post workout), L-carnitine L-tartrate, Forskolin, Niacinamide, Huperzine-A.

Off cycle:

Water fast	First three days, take vitamins if you want.
HCG	Use for the first week only. 1000-5000 IU’s per day, depending on how much you can spare.
Clomid	25mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4
Nolvadex	20mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4

You can do multiple cycles for the same muscle group if you want, but I don’t know how much more effective it would be, if more effective at all.

Spoiler: Section 5: Hypertrophy

This is where the fun begins. You’ve worked tirelessly to increase your bone density and give yourself more muscle cells, now it’s time to put that to the test and see how big you can get.

This will be done by taking all of your pre-existing muscle cells along with your new ones and pumping them up.

You will be bulking. This means eating a lot of protein in a caloric surplus with training in a progressive overload manner.

Feel free to use steroids or SARMs to get to the final goal faster, but you won’t keep any gains over your body’s limit (which has been raised due to your prior efforts).

The supplements I suggest for this are:
MK-677 - 25mg every morning (should be cycled 3 months on, 3 months off)
Slin pills - 2 post-meal (only needed when using MK-677)
Creatine - 5g/day
Turkesterone from gorillamind.com - 4 pills per day, spaced out evenly
Arachidonic acid post-workout - 750-1500mg
Ashwagandha - 300-1200mg in the evening (must be cycled 3 months on, 3 months off)
Sarm AC-262 - 20mg every morning

The MK-677 and slin pills are not a MUST but if you’re anything like me, eating loads of good food is difficult, and MK-677 increases your appetite a lot. Plus it can help put on a couple pounds of muscle but it’s nothing crazy.

Same goes for Sarm AC-262, as it isn’t entirely needed but it increases T and gains with no side effects so why not. However you should definitely get blood tests done if you use this to make sure you aren't getting your testosterone suppressed, which could very well happen. If that is the case, either stop using it or go on a post-cycle therapy when you aren't using it.

You should eat 1.5g of protein per lb of lean body mass, and eat in a caloric surplus of 200 calories. Increase your caloric intake by 50 per week using almonds, and after 10 weeks add an entire new meal to the plan. If you struggle to do this, drink pasteurized egg whites with 0 calorie chocolate sauce. Pure protein.

Use a classic PPL split, 6 days on with a day of rest for the lord.



Drink a lot of water, train hard, increase the weight/number of reps each session.

Use good form, stick to the same exercises. I recommend watching Team 3D Alpha’s videos on best exercises for each muscle group.

https://www.youtube.com/c/TeamThreeDAlpha

SLEEP. Sleep for a minimum of 8 hours per night and a maximum of 10. The closer you get to 10, the better

Train with 20 sets per week for each muscle group, except for your legs. Do 10 sets per week for lower body. As I said, v-taper mogs x-taper.

Reaching maximum muscle potential will take around 2 years of bulking, but if we’re only working out for female gaze you only need to bulk for a year before cutting to 12-14% bf for maximum appeal.

For my hipcels out there, remember to put emphasis on the obliques when training abs. By going from a negative waist:hip ratio to an even waist:hip ratio you look far more masculine.

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Once you’ve bulked for a year or however long, just eat in a caloric deficit and train just as hard. You can take certain supplements to lose weight faster but there’s no point. Continue until you have a 4-pack, which I consider to be maximum appeal.

Spoiler: Section 6: Miscellanous (but vital) information

1. This goes without saying, but practise good posture for an extra 0.5-1 inch of perceived bideltoid instantly.
2. If your shoulders are super fucked even after framemaxxing and gymcelling, you can get shoulder implants to add an inch to your bideltoid, but I don’t know how much they cost or how long they last.
3. Whilst 10% bodyfat with a 6-pack looks more ‘aesthetic’, you will be healthier and have greater appeal at 12-14% with a 4-pack, as you are still muscular and ‘lean’, but you don’t look like a veiny tryhard which is what girls despise.
4. This is gonna sound weird, but don’t wear a backpack or carry around stuff with you when framemaxxing. This one study showed that when adolescent chicks would wear weighted sacks strapped to their body, their bones didn’t grow as long as their counterparts.
5. Sleep on your back instead of your side when framemaxxing. Don’t ask why it works, it just does.
6. Framemaxxing can be achieved without drugs to some extent, IF YOU ARE A TEENAGER. Your IGF-1 and HGH levels aren’t that bad as a late teen even if you’ve stopped growing, so if you just follow the diet and exercise you could definitely see some results, but it would take longer no doubt.
7. I can already see the comments saying ‘do I need to buy from swisschems.is? It’s expensive’ and the answer is not necessarily. The reason I recommend swisschmes is because they provide proof of third-party testing for all of their products, which 9/10 websites don’t. If you can find legit stuff in your country for less, by all means use it.
8. Another thing for hipcels, you can get liposuction on your hips to make them appear narrower than they really are compared to the rest of your body. I will be doing this and will post results in the future.
9. If you can use HGH instead of CJC-1295 and MK-677 (let’s say you’re a richcel) then do it. It places less stress on the pituitary gland.
10. Ratios matter more than size. If you have a 23 inch bideltoid, but wide hips, then it doesn’t matter. If you have wide shoulders, but they look compressed onto your ribcage, it doesn’t matter. If you have wide shoulders with a feminine waist:hip ratio, it doesn’t matter.
11. The ideal ratios are as following:

Shoulder to hip ratio: 1.8-1.9
Shoulder to rib cage ratio: 1.7-1.8
Waist to hip ratio: 1-1.1

12. Safety:
Use a blood glucose monitor each day on cycle to make sure you aren’t getting diabetes.

Do not reuse needles. use rubbing alcohol on the injection site prior to injection.

Wash your hands before injecting. inject testosterone subcutaneously (into the fat, not the muscle) for a slower, more steady release which will reduce risk of acne.

Have a sharps disposal container for the needles.

When reconstituting the peptides, do not shake the vial or inject the water with force, treat it like a baby as peptides are fragile and can become less effective or ineffective if shaken. Also, keep the peptides out of sunlight, preferably in a refrigerator.

When using testosterone for framemaxxing, GET BLOOD TESTS DONE. You need to know the hormone levels behind your side effects, otherwise you will make them worse. You need to know your estradiol/estrogen levels, most importantly. I say this because we already know your T is going to be through the roof, so a lot of side effects will be from having too low estrogen from overkill with the aromasin, or high estrogen from not enough aromasin.

13. Androgens are definitely important for framemaxxing. It's the difference between the frame of a 5'8" man and and a 5'9" woman. One has had far higher levels of testosterone and DHT throughout their life and the other has not. If you can't use them (say you would lose all your hair or get volcano acne) then fair enough but it shouldn't be overlooked.

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Spoiler: Section 7: evidence and studies

Just trust me bro, you weren’t gonna read any of that shit anyways.

Spoiler: Section 8: Conclusion

If you are a lanklet, you can get a wide frame and mog.
If you are a manlet framelet, you can get a wide frame and cope (or get LL)

Ultimately, the frame can be widened despite shitty genetics, you just need to know how to overcome them.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on here. I rate frames as well, so feel free to post. If I’ve missed anything let me know.

Do not DM me about this unless it’s progress which you’ve made.

Anyway, time to get back to mogging Londonistan subhumans.

Spoiler: Tags

Tags:
@Predeterminism
@fruitgunpop
@STEVE GAMING
@Tallooksmaxxer
@jabaduk
@Enkidu
@zv1212
@Melon
@ErbCel
@sub5inchcel
@breedme
@evap0
@Tobias Fünke
@TeenAscender
@mvp2v1
@Unsh
@ArdaxHG
@hockeyguy64785
@Mateusz74
@Leo Carryn
@Dystopian
@callisto
@StuffedFrog
@pneumocystosis
@SoonToAscend
@Nims
@IceBreaker0
@Mongrelcel
@stevielake
@Elvisandreaa
@LightSkinNoob
@enchanted_elixir
@SteveRogers
@Ada Mustang
@deadlock

Can you please make a workout split based around framemaxxing?

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Spoiler: Section 1: Introduction

As many of you know, frame is almost as important as height when it comes to sexual dimorphism and attraction as per Ada Mustang’s BoTB thread here: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-de...ulder-pill-this-has-destroyed-my-life.221490/

Read it if you haven’t already.

But for tldr-fags who can’t be arsed, frame is essentially the deciding factor on how aesthetic and intimidating you would look with muscle.

‘But daddy ATF!!’ you exclaim ‘My frame has been poisoned by low prenatal T and jewish pseudo-estrogens in my adolescent diet! Whatever shall I do??’

That is where framemaxxing comes in.

Framemaxxing: the process of going from a twink-framed cuck to a wide, maesthetic sex symbol

This result is from @Ada Mustang, who managed to go from a framecel to a chad-tier physique through gymcelling and some ‘special supplements’ you’ll learn about later.

The ultimate formula to framemaxx is the following:

• Widening the frame
• Increase your bone density
• Increase the number of muscle fibres in muscles important to frame
• Make these muscle fibres bigger
• If all else fails, go under the knife

Even a hipcel could get a v-taper following this formula, and I am going to become proof of that in the years to come.

But this is not for everyone. Unless you’re a richcel who’s just going to get the surgery and call it a day, this will require a lot of effort on your part.

So don’t complain to me about not seeing results if you’re half-assing training, diet, drugs, recovery etc.

Now before we get into the nitty-gritty details, let’s set our goals.

A young man with a bad frame potential can become 2 inches wider (an inch from bone and an inch from muscle), and from there he could get clavicle lengthening (CL) surgery if he had the money. This may seem underwhelming but a 20in bidelt is noticeably wider than 18in.

A young man with average frame potential can become 4 inches wider (2 inches from bone, 2 inches from muscle), and from there he could get CL but you wouldn’t really need it. I know it sounds unrealistic but that’s because NOBODY tries to broaden the frame itself.

A young man with a good frame potential can become 5 inches (2in from bone, 3 inches from muscle) wider, CL would be a huge waste of money.

(Frame potential is decided by how young you are, how good your muscle-building genetics are, and what your clavicle shape/insertions look like).

And without further ado, let’s nuke your brains with a clusterfuck of bone science theory, endocrinology and bro-science.

Spoiler: Section 2: widening the frame

If you are 25 or older, skip to Section 4.

Exercises/stretches

SHOULDERS

Exercise 1: Reeves Deadlifts (Reeves Shrugs)
Target: clavicles and scapula

The Reeves deadlift was developed by silver-age bodybuilder Steve Reeves in the early 1900s, and he himself claimed to have become 2 inches wider in his skeletal frame along with his musculature.

It is performed by fitting weight plates to a barbell, standing upright, gripping these weights by the handle and then trying to move your shoulders back as far as possible, retracting your scapula.

Your arms/shoulders should feel slightly uncomfortable with the grip.

The bar should end up being raised slightly during the movement.

Here’s a video with a bit more detail:



Exercise 2: Hercules Holds
Target: clavicles and scapula

Hercules holds are usually a strongman event, but here we will be using them to widen our frame.

Take two cables facing each other and place the grips so that they are shoulder-height. Adjust the weight and then stand evenly between the two cable machines, holding on to both grips as long as possible.

Do these as heavy as possible for sets of 60 seconds.

You can go longer with these without tiring your grip if you use lifting straps

These can also be done with one cable machine if you cannot find the right setup. (Or if you have an asymmetrical frame, you can prioritise one shoulder over the other by doing one cable at a time).

You should feel this in the shoulder area, if your arms are dead-straight.

Exercise 3: wide grip lat pulldowns
Target: clavicles and scapula

With the same apparatus as the previous exercise, place both grips as high as possible on the cable machine, adjust the weight and then sit between the two machines.

Again, if your gym doesn’t have the opposite facing cable machine then just use a lat pulldown machine instead but it isn’t as good.

From here you just perform simple lat pulldowns. With your shoulders retracted, pull each grip as close to your body as possible at the same time. Perform sets of 12. Once you can reach 12 reps on a weight, increase the weight. I will post a video of me doing this in the comments when I get home from my holiday.

This can be performed using a pull-up bar instead if you don’t have access to a gym or if your gym doesn’t have this set-up

Exercise 4: wide-grip dead hangs.
Target: clavicles, scapula

Using the exact same set-up you used for the wide-grip lat pulldowns (or pullups), perform dead-hangs where you just let the weights pull you apart, or you just hang from a bar with as wide a grip as you can without it being uncomfortable on the shoulder girdle (that could cause injury).

Perform this exercise as long as possible, this is another scenario where you can use lifting straps as fatigue doesn’t matter for this one, only the amount of force which is being applied to the shoulders.

Stretch 1: ‘Shoulder Dislocations’
Target: general shoulder girdle

Take a broomstick or something similar and hold it in front of you with your arms spaced equally apart.

Move the stick above your head and try to push it as far back behind you without bending your arms.

Breathe during the stretch and almost ‘bounce’ the your arms in that you move them as far back as possible, and then move them slightly forward again before repeating the motion.

Do these for sets of 30-60s

Exercise 5: back-stroke (Swimming)
Target: Shoulders

Perform backstroke for 15-20 minutes, if you need to break that down into smaller sets then that’s fine. Volume matters more than doing it all at once.

I’m not going to describe this to you. You can look it up on youtube, if you don’t know how to swim. If you can’t swim, that’s fine, don’t do the swimming exercises but they do work.

Exercise 6: butterfly (swimming)
Target: Shoulders

Perform butterfly for 5-10 minutes. This is a much more demanding, explosive exercise which is why it is shorter in time.

Same thing goes for back-stroke, except this is harder to learn on youtube. I would recommend swimming lessons for this one.

Stretch 2: lat spread

Literally just perform a lat-spread and hold it there as long as possible. My gymcels know what’s up.

Take your thumbs and place them behind you, hooking them underneath the back of your ribcage (more or less).

From this position, move your elbows and shoulders as forwards as possible and hold the position as long as possible.

Unlike the traditional lat spread which bodybuilders use to pose, you do not need to actually flex any muscles here, just perform the stretch.

Sets of 30-60s are appropriate but feel free to do it for longer.


RIBCAGE

Exercise 1: Dumbbell or EZ-bar pullovers
Target: ribcage

Take a dumbbell or ez-bar of appropriate weight and lay down on a bench.
With the weight behind your head and your arms stretched out, pull the weight so that it is above your chest/neck area, and then repeat. Keep your arms relatively straight at all times. You will definitely feel this one on your sternum, it should be uncomfortable, bordering on slightly painful but nothing more. Sets of 12 yadayadayada

Exercise 2: Stomach vacuums
Target: ribcage

whilst standing up in front of your bed (or couch, or anything soft to break your fall), take 5 seconds to exhale all the air from your lungs (exhale even more, there’s more than you think), and then suck in your stomach as far as possible. Hold this position until you feel too light-headed to continue or until your stomach muscles give up. This exercise has the added bonus of shrinking your waist a bit (over time). This should feel a bit weird in the gut area.

video resource:

it should look something like this if you’re lean:

Exercise 3: breathing squats
Target: ribcage

This is a standard barbell squat where you hold your breath for the majority of the movement, exhaling sharply when you approach full extension of the legs. You will feel high pressure/tension throughout your body. For the first 5 reps, complete the exercise as I have just described. For the 10 reps after that, take 2 deep breaths between each squat. For the last 5 reps, take 4 deep breaths between each squat.

This is a pretty basic movement so I won’t describe it but here’s a video explaining how it’s done:

(The guy in the video says 3 breaths between each rep, what he means is 2 breaths between and then hold the third breath during the rep. Same applies when he says 5 breaths between each rep.)

Exercise 4: deep breath freestyle (swimming)
Target: a little bit of the shoulders, mostly ribcage

Literally just front-crawl/freestyle, but try to hold your breath as long as possible between each time you go up for air. Should feel as if the air is trying to burst out of you.

Hormones/Drugs

Congratulations to all who have made it this far. We are only through the first subsection of Section 1, and yet this has already filtered most of the attentionspancels.

Here I am going to tell you:

• which drugs you can use
• which dosages to use them in
• how long to use them for
• the side effects they have
• where you can buy them
• a ‘cycle’ you could copy, which tells you which of these drugs you need to use and which you can leave out.

GROWTH FACTORS:

CJC-1295 DAC: the big daddy of growth hormone releasing peptides
Pricing: $$$
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: inject
Frequency of administration: 2x per week
Length of use: 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Best paired with: Ipamorelin or MK-677, androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: same sides as HGH
Equivalent to: 6 IU’s per day of HGH
Dosage: 5mg/week
Source: swisschems.is


MK-677: a cult classic
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 2.5/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: stop using when you reach prediabetic blood sugar levels when used alone, but sync use with CJC-1295 DAC if pairing them together
Best paired with: CJC-1295 DAC, androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: very strong hunger, side effects of HGH too
Equivalent to: 4 IU’s per day of HGH
Dosage: 25mg every day
Source: swisschems.is

HGH: where it all started
Pricing: $$$$$
Effectiveness: 4.5/5
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: take a break when you reach prediabetic blood sugar levels
Best paired with: androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Potential side effects: type 2 diabetes, growth of the head, growth of the ears, growth of the nose, muscle/joint pain, headaches, nausea, ‘roid gut’ (if taken for prolonged periods of time with no breaks or precautions like a retard)
Equivalent to: n/a
Dosage: 8-10 IU’s per day
Source: just search ‘buy HGH usa/uk/wherever you live’

ANDROGENS:

Testosterone Propionate
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 3/5
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: once per day
Length of use: can be cycled for 12 weeks, but we will sync it with CJC for 4 week cycles
Best paired with: growth factors, other androgens
Benefits: mental clarity, motivation, aggression, masculinization of the frame, increased muscle growth+fat loss
Side effects: temporary shutdown of natural testosterone/sperm production, higher risk of hair loss, higher risk of developing acne not just on the face but on the body too, gyno from increased levels of estrogen
Dosage: 500mg/week, split into daily doses
Source: search ‘steroids usa/uk/wherever you live’.

DHT
Pricing: n/a
Effectiveness: 5/5
Method of administration: n/a, your body will convert a good deal of the T you inject into DHT
Frequency of administration: n/a
Length of use: n/a
Best paired with: growth factors, other androgens
Benefits: clear mind, beard growth, muscle and bone development
Side effects: hair loss, some other shit nobody cares about (look it up for a longer list)
Source: your own body

SIDE EFFECT MITIGATORS

Aromasin (exemestane)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevention of too high estrogen
Side effects: if you dose it too high you will experience libido issues and ED along with a myriad of other problems
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every other day
Length of use: as long as you’re using the testosterone
Best paired with: n/a
Dosage: 25mg
Source: swisschems.is


Ketoconazole shampoo (mandatory unless bald)
Pricing: $
Benefits: mitigate hair loss from raised DHT on cycle
Side effects: none
Effectiveness: 2/5
Method of administration: apply it topically, leave it in for ten minutes
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: until the day you die, or the day you shave your head (same thing)
Source: intelligent.shop

Topical Dutasteride (if you start losing hair despite the ketoconazole)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevents hair loss in the scalp
Side effects: small chance it goes into the bloodstream, but you’re going to be taking enough testosterone that it wouldn’t matter.
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: rub into the scalp
Frequency of administration: every day after a shower
Length of use: when on cycle
Source: you may not be able to get it in your country, but try to find it online. If you can’t find topical dutasteride, you may have to resort to regular old finasteride pills. There is no point using topical finasteride instead, it goes systemic all the same.

Eucapil (if you start losing hair despite the ketoconazole)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevents hair loss through a different method to the dutasteride, you want both
Side effects: same as the topical dutasteride
Effectiveness: 3/5
Method of administration: rub into the scalp
Frequency of administration: every day after a shower
Length of use: when on cycle
Source: this one is for my europecels, but you might be able to order it from NA. If you can’t find Eucapil online, see how you respond to RU48861, and if you don’t get awful side effects then keep using it.

Water fasting
This costs nothing, and yet I know you subhumans won’t do it
At the end of each 1 month cycle, do a 4 day water fast to prevent roid gut

Water fasting gets rid of visceral fat (the cause of roid gut)

Insulin Mimetics
I won’t go too in depth, but if we use MK-677 and CJC-1295 to constantly force ourselves to produce HGH, we need to assist our body in responding to those demands, otherwise it wears out and damages our pituitary gland. The tool to do this is an insulin mimetic. I would recommend Slin pills from getenhanced.shop

Acne stuff
If you are prone to acne, you have 2 options.
Either framemaxx without androgens and use growth factors exclusively
Or use androgens and growth factors while taking almost every anti-acne precaution under the sun.
I’m talking about amazing skin hygiene, good routine, supplements, everything.
500mg test will light up your skin otherwise, and you’ll have to get the scars removed.

Post-cycle therapy
If you want to have a functioning ballsack, you must have a PCT after each month on cycle.

To make this easier for you, I’ve recommended Test Propionate as the steroid of choice earlier on in this guide so that it clears the system faster when you stop.

In the first week after you finish your cycle, inject 1000-5000 IU of HCG daily.

For the next 3 weeks after that, take 25mg of clomid and 20mg of Nolvadex every day.

Ideal cycle:
On cycle (4 weeks):

Testosterone Propionate	Start at 150mg/week for your first cycle. This is to see how you react to steroids, and if you are the type to get volcano full-body acne. If it goes well, increase to 200mg/week for the next cycle, and so on and so forth until the side effects are noticeable, at which point back off a bit.
Aromasin	25mg every other day
MK-677	25mg every day
CJC-1295 DAC	5mg/week, 2.5mg on Mon. and Thu.
Dietary supplements	Calcium, Magnesium, Boron, Black cumin, Aspirin
Huperzine-A	200mcg 3x a day
Slin pills (or some form of insulin mimetic)	Two pills after each meal

Off cycle (4 weeks):

Water fast	First three days, take vitamins if you want.
HCG	Use for the first week only. 1000-5000 IU’s per day, depending on how much you can spare.
Clomid	25mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4
Nolvadex	20mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4

And then repeat.

Diet/Supplements

You need to think about building bone like you think about building muscle.

You aren’t going to build much muscle if you don’t eat enough protein and if you’re not in a caloric surplus.

The same principles must be applied when framemaxxing, but swap protein for calcium, magnesium, and vitamin K2.

There are many other micronutrients which help with bone, but those are the big three.

Below is a list of the micros you need and where to get them.

Try to get as many of these from your diet as you can, so that you absorb them better and you save money on supplements.

ED: every day

Nutrients
Vitamin K2 MK4: 60mgED, buy powder from alibaba/aliexpress
Vitamin D: 4000iuED from milk, fortified cereal, fish (salmon). Use supps if necessary
Vitamin C: 1000mgED from orange juice and supplements if necessary
Vitamin B: 25mgED from milk, eggs, beef, salmon, fortified cereal, pork, yoghurt, chicken
Copper: ~4mgED from dark chocolate and almonds
Potassium: 4gED from potatoes, yoghurt, salmon, orange juice
Calcium: 3000mgED from milk, whey, egg, fortified cereal, yoghurt. Supplement if necessary.
Magnesium: Start with 600mgED, and try to get up to 1500mg. Milk, almonds, brown rice but for the most part it will be supplements.
Boron: 9mgED from raisins, apple, and supps
Zinc: 22mgED from beef, pork, lamb, milk, yoghurt, eggs, dark chocolate, whole grains
Collagen: 30-60gED from salmon, chicken, beef, eggs, orange juice, red/yellow peppers, garlic
Protein: fish, meat, eggs, dairy
Fatty acids: fish, meat, eggs, dairy
Omega 3: 2000mgED from king mackerel, salmon

Supplements which the diet doesn’t contribute to at all include cinnamon, berberine, black cumin and aspirin.

I estimate that if you do it all as I’ve detailed when it comes to hormones, diet and training, you could probably increase your biacromial width (distance between the outermost end of your clavicles) by 2 inches with 3-6 cycles. As someone who is committed to starting this in the next year, I will keep you up to date with how long it takes me.

Spoiler: Section 2.5: Surgical Options

If you have awful frame potential and you end up only getting an inch wider from framemaxxing, AND you’re rich as hell, then you could get clavicle lengthening surgery.

After surgery, you are about 1.5 inches wider than before.

This surgery costs:

• $26k with Eppley
• $51k with Leif Rodgers

It’s definitely risky though.

Here is an example of a clavicle lengthening patient from Rodgers:

Spoiler: Section 3: increasing bone density

After increasing your bideltoid by 1-2 inches from framemaxxing, you will develop a strong urge to stare at your frame in the mirror and touch yourself. I’m not going to stop you, but you must realise there are a few more steps to this whole framemaxxing thing.

Your bones will be wider, sure, but they will also be thin and prone to fracture.

To solve this, we’re going to make your bones more dense and rugged.

By increasing your bone density, we’ll inadvertently increase your muscle-building potential too, which helps us later down the line.

TO INCREASE BONE DENSITY, USE THE EXACT SAME DRUGS AND DIET AS BEFORE, WE’RE ONLY CHANGING THE TYPE OF TRAINING.

We will be utilising heavy compound movements to put stress on as many bones as possible throughout the upper body.

Exercise 1: bench press
Everyone knows how to do this. If you don’t, watch a Jeff Nippard video. Bench pressing in the heavy rep zone (3-5) with good form and this diet and drugs should result in thicker wrists.

Exercise 2: deadlift
Whilst I’m trying not to include too many lower body movements here as a V-taper looks better than an X-taper, deadlifts are still good as the shoulders and arms act as hooks for the barbell.

Exercise 3: overhead press
Same thing for bench press. Look it up if you aren’t a gymcel and you don’t know what it is. Also good for wrist development

Exercise 4: farmer’s carries.
very sexy movement even for classic hypertrophy. good for arm/wrist development.



Exercise 5: Barbell rows
It can feel a bit awkward to begin with, but you’ll get used to it

Exercise 6: Incline bench press
This here hits the clavicles directly as it’s on the exact same plane. Wrist development.

Exercise 7: Upwards rows



For each of these exercises do 3-5 heavy reps.

You could probably hit mogger bone density with one cycle while doing these exercises 5-6 days a week. Although it wouldn’t be overkill to do a second cycle.

Spoiler: Section 4: Hyperplasia

Explaining hyperplasia
Everyone who’s so far as watched an Athlean-X video knows about hypertrophy, the process where your muscle fibres get bigger in response to stimuli, but hardly anyone has heard about hypertrophy’s older brother: hyperplasia.

Hyperplasia makes new muscle cells, instead of just making the old ones bigger.

And the best part about it is that once you have these new muscle cells, there’s no losing them. You could eat like shit and train like a spaz, but you’d still have those muscles.

In terms of building size, hyperplasia isn’t necessarily superior to hypertrophy, but by increasing the number of muscle cells before you pump them up with hypertrophy, you strongly increase your muscle-building potential and you can surpass what would otherwise have been your ‘natural limit’.

Meaning that even if you were born with less muscle cells than average, you could make up for it and more if you could undergo hyperplasia again.

So that’s exactly what we’re going to do.

By combining a good diet, unorthodox training regimes and a few ‘special supplements’, we can increase the number of muscle cells in the muscles that matter: the lats, delts, chest and arms.

Training for hyperplasia

Training for hyperplasia is very odd, but here are the steps:

1. Pick two aesthetic muscles (or genetic weak points for you in terms of musculature)
2. Train both of them every day with five sets of 30 reps. Make sure your rests are short enough that you stay warm and that your muscles get a good pump of blood going to them.
3. After directly exercising, perform weighted stretches. This is where you stretch out a muscle with weight pulling the other way. An example of this for the lats would be a dead hang. An example for the biceps would be holding a dumbbell at ~5% of your curl range of motion, so it isn’t just hanging there but you aren’t bringing it up either.
4. Do this for a month.
5. Once you have finished that month, do not train for the next month.
6. Repeat with two new muscle groups.

Now, you won’t be noticeably bigger after doing this, but your muscle-building potential will be far higher. It’s the same difference between an empty gun and a loaded gun. You can’t tell the difference from looking at them but one is a whole lot more dangerous (or in our case, one is far more primed to build muscle)

This is putting the building blocks in place, setting the foundation. It isn’t constructing the skyscraper on top of it, that comes later.

Drugs and hormones for hyperplasia

MK-677:
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: very strong hunger, side effects of HGH too
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 2.5/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Best paired with: In this case, IGF-1 DES and MGF
Dosage: 25mg every day
Source: swisschems.is

MGF
Benefits: MGF induces hyperplasia by preparing the muscle cells for IGF-1 to do its magic
Side effects: hypoglycemia potentially, but it’s so short acting that you would only get side effects with PEG-MGF, the long lasting version.
Pricing: $
Method of administration: IM injection
Frequency of administration: into the muscles you’re about to work out
Length of use: 4 weeks on/off
Dosage: 200 mcg divided equally between muscles which you are about to train
Source: swisschems.is

IGF-1 DES
Benefits: in this context, IGF-1 causes the growth of new muscle cells
Side effects: headaches, muscle pains, joint pains, nausea, hypoglycemia
Pricing: $$
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: inject it into muscles you’ve worked after exercising.
Length of use: 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
Dosage: 200 mcg per day, divided evenly between muscles used. You can go down to 100 mcg per day if you start experiencing side effects.
Source: swisschems.is

Diet and supplements for hyperplasia

Use the same diet you used for framemaxxing, but forget the excessive calcium and magnesium.

We’re using different supplements this time.

We need to upregulate the androgen receptor so that we have more satellite cells and proteins available to make new muscle cells.

The supplements we’ll be using for that are arachidonic acid, L-carnitine L-tartrate, Forskolin, Niacinamide and Huperzine-A.

If you want to do even more, you can add Caffeine, L-dopa and Tribulus Terrestris

If you can’t get all of them in your country it’s fine, but they do help.

To offset the side effects of MK-677, we’ll be using Slin pills so that our pituitary gland isn’t raped by the constant insulin demand.

Cycles I would recommend (in terms of which muscles to focus on) include the following:

• Biceps and rear delts
• Chest and lats
• Side delts and triceps

I will personally do each of the cycles above twice for good measure.

Rear delts are on the list, which may surprise some, however they are more important than you think when it comes to frame. Rear delts insert just under the side delt, meaning that having large rear delts pushes out your side delts further, making you even wider.

These aren’t the only muscles you could do this with, but you must be comfortable with injecting them. You could probably do neck and forearms, but neck is a bit too sketchy for me and the forearms have so many different muscles and training them all individually is long.

A general cycle design:
On cycle:

MK-677	25mg/day
MGF	200 mcg pre-workout, divided equally into muscles about to be trained
IGF-1 DES	200 mcg post-workout, divided equally into muscles about to be trained
Slin pills	2 after each meal
Testosterone Propionate	If you were young enough to framemaxx, use the largest tolerable dose you figured out in section 2. If you were too old for section 2: Start at 150mg/week for your first cycle. This is to see how you react to steroids, and to test if you are the type to get volcano full-body acne. If it goes well, increase to 200mg/week for the next cycle, and so on and so forth until the side effects are noticeable, at which point back off a bit on dosage.
General supplements	Arachidonic acid (post workout), L-carnitine L-tartrate, Forskolin, Niacinamide, Huperzine-A.

Off cycle:

Water fast	First three days, take vitamins if you want.
HCG	Use for the first week only. 1000-5000 IU’s per day, depending on how much you can spare.
Clomid	25mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4
Nolvadex	20mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4

You can do multiple cycles for the same muscle group if you want, but I don’t know how much more effective it would be, if more effective at all.

Spoiler: Section 5: Hypertrophy

This is where the fun begins. You’ve worked tirelessly to increase your bone density and give yourself more muscle cells, now it’s time to put that to the test and see how big you can get.

This will be done by taking all of your pre-existing muscle cells along with your new ones and pumping them up.

You will be bulking. This means eating a lot of protein in a caloric surplus with training in a progressive overload manner.

Feel free to use steroids or SARMs to get to the final goal faster, but you won’t keep any gains over your body’s limit (which has been raised due to your prior efforts).

The supplements I suggest for this are:
MK-677 - 25mg every morning (should be cycled 3 months on, 3 months off)
Slin pills - 2 post-meal (only needed when using MK-677)
Creatine - 5g/day
Turkesterone from gorillamind.com - 4 pills per day, spaced out evenly
Arachidonic acid post-workout - 750-1500mg
Ashwagandha - 300-1200mg in the evening (must be cycled 3 months on, 3 months off)
Sarm AC-262 - 20mg every morning

The MK-677 and slin pills are not a MUST but if you’re anything like me, eating loads of good food is difficult, and MK-677 increases your appetite a lot. Plus it can help put on a couple pounds of muscle but it’s nothing crazy.

Same goes for Sarm AC-262, as it isn’t entirely needed but it increases T and gains with no side effects so why not. However you should definitely get blood tests done if you use this to make sure you aren't getting your testosterone suppressed, which could very well happen. If that is the case, either stop using it or go on a post-cycle therapy when you aren't using it.

You should eat 1.5g of protein per lb of lean body mass, and eat in a caloric surplus of 200 calories. Increase your caloric intake by 50 per week using almonds, and after 10 weeks add an entire new meal to the plan. If you struggle to do this, drink pasteurized egg whites with 0 calorie chocolate sauce. Pure protein.

Use a classic PPL split, 6 days on with a day of rest for the lord.



Drink a lot of water, train hard, increase the weight/number of reps each session.

Use good form, stick to the same exercises. I recommend watching Team 3D Alpha’s videos on best exercises for each muscle group.

https://www.youtube.com/c/TeamThreeDAlpha

SLEEP. Sleep for a minimum of 8 hours per night and a maximum of 10. The closer you get to 10, the better

Train with 20 sets per week for each muscle group, except for your legs. Do 10 sets per week for lower body. As I said, v-taper mogs x-taper.

Reaching maximum muscle potential will take around 2 years of bulking, but if we’re only working out for female gaze you only need to bulk for a year before cutting to 12-14% bf for maximum appeal.

For my hipcels out there, remember to put emphasis on the obliques when training abs. By going from a negative waist:hip ratio to an even waist:hip ratio you look far more masculine.

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Once you’ve bulked for a year or however long, just eat in a caloric deficit and train just as hard. You can take certain supplements to lose weight faster but there’s no point. Continue until you have a 4-pack, which I consider to be maximum appeal.

Spoiler: Section 6: Miscellanous (but vital) information

1. This goes without saying, but practise good posture for an extra 0.5-1 inch of perceived bideltoid instantly.
2. If your shoulders are super fucked even after framemaxxing and gymcelling, you can get shoulder implants to add an inch to your bideltoid, but I don’t know how much they cost or how long they last.
3. Whilst 10% bodyfat with a 6-pack looks more ‘aesthetic’, you will be healthier and have greater appeal at 12-14% with a 4-pack, as you are still muscular and ‘lean’, but you don’t look like a veiny tryhard which is what girls despise.
4. This is gonna sound weird, but don’t wear a backpack or carry around stuff with you when framemaxxing. This one study showed that when adolescent chicks would wear weighted sacks strapped to their body, their bones didn’t grow as long as their counterparts.
5. Sleep on your back instead of your side when framemaxxing. Don’t ask why it works, it just does.
6. Framemaxxing can be achieved without drugs to some extent, IF YOU ARE A TEENAGER. Your IGF-1 and HGH levels aren’t that bad as a late teen even if you’ve stopped growing, so if you just follow the diet and exercise you could definitely see some results, but it would take longer no doubt.
7. I can already see the comments saying ‘do I need to buy from swisschems.is? It’s expensive’ and the answer is not necessarily. The reason I recommend swisschmes is because they provide proof of third-party testing for all of their products, which 9/10 websites don’t. If you can find legit stuff in your country for less, by all means use it.
8. Another thing for hipcels, you can get liposuction on your hips to make them appear narrower than they really are compared to the rest of your body. I will be doing this and will post results in the future.
9. If you can use HGH instead of CJC-1295 and MK-677 (let’s say you’re a richcel) then do it. It places less stress on the pituitary gland.
10. Ratios matter more than size. If you have a 23 inch bideltoid, but wide hips, then it doesn’t matter. If you have wide shoulders, but they look compressed onto your ribcage, it doesn’t matter. If you have wide shoulders with a feminine waist:hip ratio, it doesn’t matter.
11. The ideal ratios are as following:

Shoulder to hip ratio: 1.8-1.9
Shoulder to rib cage ratio: 1.7-1.8
Waist to hip ratio: 1-1.1

12. Safety:
Use a blood glucose monitor each day on cycle to make sure you aren’t getting diabetes.

Do not reuse needles. use rubbing alcohol on the injection site prior to injection.

Wash your hands before injecting. inject testosterone subcutaneously (into the fat, not the muscle) for a slower, more steady release which will reduce risk of acne.

Have a sharps disposal container for the needles.

When reconstituting the peptides, do not shake the vial or inject the water with force, treat it like a baby as peptides are fragile and can become less effective or ineffective if shaken. Also, keep the peptides out of sunlight, preferably in a refrigerator.

When using testosterone for framemaxxing, GET BLOOD TESTS DONE. You need to know the hormone levels behind your side effects, otherwise you will make them worse. You need to know your estradiol/estrogen levels, most importantly. I say this because we already know your T is going to be through the roof, so a lot of side effects will be from having too low estrogen from overkill with the aromasin, or high estrogen from not enough aromasin.

13. Androgens are definitely important for framemaxxing. It's the difference between the frame of a 5'8" man and and a 5'9" woman. One has had far higher levels of testosterone and DHT throughout their life and the other has not. If you can't use them (say you would lose all your hair or get volcano acne) then fair enough but it shouldn't be overlooked.

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Spoiler: Section 7: evidence and studies

Just trust me bro, you weren’t gonna read any of that shit anyways.

Spoiler: Section 8: Conclusion

If you are a lanklet, you can get a wide frame and mog.
If you are a manlet framelet, you can get a wide frame and cope (or get LL)

Ultimately, the frame can be widened despite shitty genetics, you just need to know how to overcome them.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on here. I rate frames as well, so feel free to post. If I’ve missed anything let me know.

Do not DM me about this unless it’s progress which you’ve made.

Anyway, time to get back to mogging Londonistan subhumans.

Spoiler: Tags

Tags:
@Predeterminism
@fruitgunpop
@STEVE GAMING
@Tallooksmaxxer
@jabaduk
@Enkidu
@zv1212
@Melon
@ErbCel
@sub5inchcel
@breedme
@evap0
@Tobias Fünke
@TeenAscender
@mvp2v1
@Unsh
@ArdaxHG
@hockeyguy64785
@Mateusz74
@Leo Carryn
@Dystopian
@callisto
@StuffedFrog
@pneumocystosis
@SoonToAscend
@Nims
@IceBreaker0
@Mongrelcel
@stevielake
@Elvisandreaa
@LightSkinNoob
@enchanted_elixir
@SteveRogers
@Ada Mustang
@deadlock

Late but running hgh with test with dht soon and running this whole guide along with bonemaxxing stack when dht gets delivered

Time to get wide

 

[TheBrownOne]

Not a good post

99% of the complete idiots on roids look weaker than a regular person
Unless you have really good genetics as a natty then you WILL NOT be a hyper responder to enhancers

 

[joseph]

Spoiler: Section 1: Introduction

As many of you know, frame is almost as important as height when it comes to sexual dimorphism and attraction as per Ada Mustang’s BoTB thread here: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-de...ulder-pill-this-has-destroyed-my-life.221490/

Read it if you haven’t already.

But for tldr-fags who can’t be arsed, frame is essentially the deciding factor on how aesthetic and intimidating you would look with muscle.

‘But daddy ATF!!’ you exclaim ‘My frame has been poisoned by low prenatal T and jewish pseudo-estrogens in my adolescent diet! Whatever shall I do??’

That is where framemaxxing comes in.

Framemaxxing: the process of going from a twink-framed cuck to a wide, maesthetic sex symbol

This result is from @Ada Mustang, who managed to go from a framecel to a chad-tier physique through gymcelling and some ‘special supplements’ you’ll learn about later.

The ultimate formula to framemaxx is the following:

• Widening the frame
• Increase your bone density
• Increase the number of muscle fibres in muscles important to frame
• Make these muscle fibres bigger
• If all else fails, go under the knife

Even a hipcel could get a v-taper following this formula, and I am going to become proof of that in the years to come.

But this is not for everyone. Unless you’re a richcel who’s just going to get the surgery and call it a day, this will require a lot of effort on your part.

So don’t complain to me about not seeing results if you’re half-assing training, diet, drugs, recovery etc.

Now before we get into the nitty-gritty details, let’s set our goals.

A young man with a bad frame potential can become 2 inches wider (an inch from bone and an inch from muscle), and from there he could get clavicle lengthening (CL) surgery if he had the money. This may seem underwhelming but a 20in bidelt is noticeably wider than 18in.

A young man with average frame potential can become 4 inches wider (2 inches from bone, 2 inches from muscle), and from there he could get CL but you wouldn’t really need it. I know it sounds unrealistic but that’s because NOBODY tries to broaden the frame itself.

A young man with a good frame potential can become 5 inches (2in from bone, 3 inches from muscle) wider, CL would be a huge waste of money.

(Frame potential is decided by how young you are, how good your muscle-building genetics are, and what your clavicle shape/insertions look like).

And without further ado, let’s nuke your brains with a clusterfuck of bone science theory, endocrinology and bro-science.

Spoiler: Section 2: widening the frame

If you are 25 or older, skip to Section 4.

Exercises/stretches

SHOULDERS

Exercise 1: Reeves Deadlifts (Reeves Shrugs)
Target: clavicles and scapula

The Reeves deadlift was developed by silver-age bodybuilder Steve Reeves in the early 1900s, and he himself claimed to have become 2 inches wider in his skeletal frame along with his musculature.

It is performed by fitting weight plates to a barbell, standing upright, gripping these weights by the handle and then trying to move your shoulders back as far as possible, retracting your scapula.

Your arms/shoulders should feel slightly uncomfortable with the grip.

The bar should end up being raised slightly during the movement.

Here’s a video with a bit more detail:



Exercise 2: Hercules Holds
Target: clavicles and scapula

Hercules holds are usually a strongman event, but here we will be using them to widen our frame.

Take two cables facing each other and place the grips so that they are shoulder-height. Adjust the weight and then stand evenly between the two cable machines, holding on to both grips as long as possible.

Do these as heavy as possible for sets of 60 seconds.

You can go longer with these without tiring your grip if you use lifting straps

These can also be done with one cable machine if you cannot find the right setup. (Or if you have an asymmetrical frame, you can prioritise one shoulder over the other by doing one cable at a time).

You should feel this in the shoulder area, if your arms are dead-straight.

Exercise 3: wide grip lat pulldowns
Target: clavicles and scapula

With the same apparatus as the previous exercise, place both grips as high as possible on the cable machine, adjust the weight and then sit between the two machines.

Again, if your gym doesn’t have the opposite facing cable machine then just use a lat pulldown machine instead but it isn’t as good.

From here you just perform simple lat pulldowns. With your shoulders retracted, pull each grip as close to your body as possible at the same time. Perform sets of 12. Once you can reach 12 reps on a weight, increase the weight. I will post a video of me doing this in the comments when I get home from my holiday.

This can be performed using a pull-up bar instead if you don’t have access to a gym or if your gym doesn’t have this set-up

Exercise 4: wide-grip dead hangs.
Target: clavicles, scapula

Using the exact same set-up you used for the wide-grip lat pulldowns (or pullups), perform dead-hangs where you just let the weights pull you apart, or you just hang from a bar with as wide a grip as you can without it being uncomfortable on the shoulder girdle (that could cause injury).

Perform this exercise as long as possible, this is another scenario where you can use lifting straps as fatigue doesn’t matter for this one, only the amount of force which is being applied to the shoulders.

Stretch 1: ‘Shoulder Dislocations’
Target: general shoulder girdle

Take a broomstick or something similar and hold it in front of you with your arms spaced equally apart.

Move the stick above your head and try to push it as far back behind you without bending your arms.

Breathe during the stretch and almost ‘bounce’ the your arms in that you move them as far back as possible, and then move them slightly forward again before repeating the motion.

Do these for sets of 30-60s

Exercise 5: back-stroke (Swimming)
Target: Shoulders

Perform backstroke for 15-20 minutes, if you need to break that down into smaller sets then that’s fine. Volume matters more than doing it all at once.

I’m not going to describe this to you. You can look it up on youtube, if you don’t know how to swim. If you can’t swim, that’s fine, don’t do the swimming exercises but they do work.

Exercise 6: butterfly (swimming)
Target: Shoulders

Perform butterfly for 5-10 minutes. This is a much more demanding, explosive exercise which is why it is shorter in time.

Same thing goes for back-stroke, except this is harder to learn on youtube. I would recommend swimming lessons for this one.

Stretch 2: lat spread

Literally just perform a lat-spread and hold it there as long as possible. My gymcels know what’s up.

Take your thumbs and place them behind you, hooking them underneath the back of your ribcage (more or less).

From this position, move your elbows and shoulders as forwards as possible and hold the position as long as possible.

Unlike the traditional lat spread which bodybuilders use to pose, you do not need to actually flex any muscles here, just perform the stretch.

Sets of 30-60s are appropriate but feel free to do it for longer.


RIBCAGE

Exercise 1: Dumbbell or EZ-bar pullovers
Target: ribcage

Take a dumbbell or ez-bar of appropriate weight and lay down on a bench.
With the weight behind your head and your arms stretched out, pull the weight so that it is above your chest/neck area, and then repeat. Keep your arms relatively straight at all times. You will definitely feel this one on your sternum, it should be uncomfortable, bordering on slightly painful but nothing more. Sets of 12 yadayadayada

Exercise 2: Stomach vacuums
Target: ribcage

whilst standing up in front of your bed (or couch, or anything soft to break your fall), take 5 seconds to exhale all the air from your lungs (exhale even more, there’s more than you think), and then suck in your stomach as far as possible. Hold this position until you feel too light-headed to continue or until your stomach muscles give up. This exercise has the added bonus of shrinking your waist a bit (over time). This should feel a bit weird in the gut area.

video resource:

it should look something like this if you’re lean:

Exercise 3: breathing squats
Target: ribcage

This is a standard barbell squat where you hold your breath for the majority of the movement, exhaling sharply when you approach full extension of the legs. You will feel high pressure/tension throughout your body. For the first 5 reps, complete the exercise as I have just described. For the 10 reps after that, take 2 deep breaths between each squat. For the last 5 reps, take 4 deep breaths between each squat.

This is a pretty basic movement so I won’t describe it but here’s a video explaining how it’s done:

(The guy in the video says 3 breaths between each rep, what he means is 2 breaths between and then hold the third breath during the rep. Same applies when he says 5 breaths between each rep.)

Exercise 4: deep breath freestyle (swimming)
Target: a little bit of the shoulders, mostly ribcage

Literally just front-crawl/freestyle, but try to hold your breath as long as possible between each time you go up for air. Should feel as if the air is trying to burst out of you.

Hormones/Drugs

Congratulations to all who have made it this far. We are only through the first subsection of Section 1, and yet this has already filtered most of the attentionspancels.

Here I am going to tell you:

• which drugs you can use
• which dosages to use them in
• how long to use them for
• the side effects they have
• where you can buy them
• a ‘cycle’ you could copy, which tells you which of these drugs you need to use and which you can leave out.

GROWTH FACTORS:

CJC-1295 DAC: the big daddy of growth hormone releasing peptides
Pricing: $$$
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: inject
Frequency of administration: 2x per week
Length of use: 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Best paired with: Ipamorelin or MK-677, androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: same sides as HGH
Equivalent to: 6 IU’s per day of HGH
Dosage: 5mg/week
Source: swisschems.is


MK-677: a cult classic
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 2.5/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: stop using when you reach prediabetic blood sugar levels when used alone, but sync use with CJC-1295 DAC if pairing them together
Best paired with: CJC-1295 DAC, androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: very strong hunger, side effects of HGH too
Equivalent to: 4 IU’s per day of HGH
Dosage: 25mg every day
Source: swisschems.is

HGH: where it all started
Pricing: $$$$$
Effectiveness: 4.5/5
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: take a break when you reach prediabetic blood sugar levels
Best paired with: androgens
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Potential side effects: type 2 diabetes, growth of the head, growth of the ears, growth of the nose, muscle/joint pain, headaches, nausea, ‘roid gut’ (if taken for prolonged periods of time with no breaks or precautions like a retard)
Equivalent to: n/a
Dosage: 8-10 IU’s per day
Source: just search ‘buy HGH usa/uk/wherever you live’

ANDROGENS:

Testosterone Propionate
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 3/5
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: once per day
Length of use: can be cycled for 12 weeks, but we will sync it with CJC for 4 week cycles
Best paired with: growth factors, other androgens
Benefits: mental clarity, motivation, aggression, masculinization of the frame, increased muscle growth+fat loss
Side effects: temporary shutdown of natural testosterone/sperm production, higher risk of hair loss, higher risk of developing acne not just on the face but on the body too, gyno from increased levels of estrogen
Dosage: 500mg/week, split into daily doses
Source: search ‘steroids usa/uk/wherever you live’.

DHT
Pricing: n/a
Effectiveness: 5/5
Method of administration: n/a, your body will convert a good deal of the T you inject into DHT
Frequency of administration: n/a
Length of use: n/a
Best paired with: growth factors, other androgens
Benefits: clear mind, beard growth, muscle and bone development
Side effects: hair loss, some other shit nobody cares about (look it up for a longer list)
Source: your own body

SIDE EFFECT MITIGATORS

Aromasin (exemestane)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevention of too high estrogen
Side effects: if you dose it too high you will experience libido issues and ED along with a myriad of other problems
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every other day
Length of use: as long as you’re using the testosterone
Best paired with: n/a
Dosage: 25mg
Source: swisschems.is


Ketoconazole shampoo (mandatory unless bald)
Pricing: $
Benefits: mitigate hair loss from raised DHT on cycle
Side effects: none
Effectiveness: 2/5
Method of administration: apply it topically, leave it in for ten minutes
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: until the day you die, or the day you shave your head (same thing)
Source: intelligent.shop

Topical Dutasteride (if you start losing hair despite the ketoconazole)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevents hair loss in the scalp
Side effects: small chance it goes into the bloodstream, but you’re going to be taking enough testosterone that it wouldn’t matter.
Effectiveness: 4/5
Method of administration: rub into the scalp
Frequency of administration: every day after a shower
Length of use: when on cycle
Source: you may not be able to get it in your country, but try to find it online. If you can’t find topical dutasteride, you may have to resort to regular old finasteride pills. There is no point using topical finasteride instead, it goes systemic all the same.

Eucapil (if you start losing hair despite the ketoconazole)
Pricing: $$
Benefits: prevents hair loss through a different method to the dutasteride, you want both
Side effects: same as the topical dutasteride
Effectiveness: 3/5
Method of administration: rub into the scalp
Frequency of administration: every day after a shower
Length of use: when on cycle
Source: this one is for my europecels, but you might be able to order it from NA. If you can’t find Eucapil online, see how you respond to RU48861, and if you don’t get awful side effects then keep using it.

Water fasting
This costs nothing, and yet I know you subhumans won’t do it
At the end of each 1 month cycle, do a 4 day water fast to prevent roid gut

Water fasting gets rid of visceral fat (the cause of roid gut)

Insulin Mimetics
I won’t go too in depth, but if we use MK-677 and CJC-1295 to constantly force ourselves to produce HGH, we need to assist our body in responding to those demands, otherwise it wears out and damages our pituitary gland. The tool to do this is an insulin mimetic. I would recommend Slin pills from getenhanced.shop

Acne stuff
If you are prone to acne, you have 2 options.
Either framemaxx without androgens and use growth factors exclusively
Or use androgens and growth factors while taking almost every anti-acne precaution under the sun.
I’m talking about amazing skin hygiene, good routine, supplements, everything.
500mg test will light up your skin otherwise, and you’ll have to get the scars removed.

Post-cycle therapy
If you want to have a functioning ballsack, you must have a PCT after each month on cycle.

To make this easier for you, I’ve recommended Test Propionate as the steroid of choice earlier on in this guide so that it clears the system faster when you stop.

In the first week after you finish your cycle, inject 1000-5000 IU of HCG daily.

For the next 3 weeks after that, take 25mg of clomid and 20mg of Nolvadex every day.

Ideal cycle:
On cycle (4 weeks):

Testosterone Propionate	Start at 150mg/week for your first cycle. This is to see how you react to steroids, and if you are the type to get volcano full-body acne. If it goes well, increase to 200mg/week for the next cycle, and so on and so forth until the side effects are noticeable, at which point back off a bit.
Aromasin	25mg every other day
MK-677	25mg every day
CJC-1295 DAC	5mg/week, 2.5mg on Mon. and Thu.
Dietary supplements	Calcium, Magnesium, Boron, Black cumin, Aspirin
Huperzine-A	200mcg 3x a day
Slin pills (or some form of insulin mimetic)	Two pills after each meal

Off cycle (4 weeks):

Water fast	First three days, take vitamins if you want.
HCG	Use for the first week only. 1000-5000 IU’s per day, depending on how much you can spare.
Clomid	25mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4
Nolvadex	20mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4

And then repeat.

Diet/Supplements

You need to think about building bone like you think about building muscle.

You aren’t going to build much muscle if you don’t eat enough protein and if you’re not in a caloric surplus.

The same principles must be applied when framemaxxing, but swap protein for calcium, magnesium, and vitamin K2.

There are many other micronutrients which help with bone, but those are the big three.

Below is a list of the micros you need and where to get them.

Try to get as many of these from your diet as you can, so that you absorb them better and you save money on supplements.

ED: every day

Nutrients
Vitamin K2 MK4: 60mgED, buy powder from alibaba/aliexpress
Vitamin D: 4000iuED from milk, fortified cereal, fish (salmon). Use supps if necessary
Vitamin C: 1000mgED from orange juice and supplements if necessary
Vitamin B: 25mgED from milk, eggs, beef, salmon, fortified cereal, pork, yoghurt, chicken
Copper: ~4mgED from dark chocolate and almonds
Potassium: 4gED from potatoes, yoghurt, salmon, orange juice
Calcium: 3000mgED from milk, whey, egg, fortified cereal, yoghurt. Supplement if necessary.
Magnesium: Start with 600mgED, and try to get up to 1500mg. Milk, almonds, brown rice but for the most part it will be supplements.
Boron: 9mgED from raisins, apple, and supps
Zinc: 22mgED from beef, pork, lamb, milk, yoghurt, eggs, dark chocolate, whole grains
Collagen: 30-60gED from salmon, chicken, beef, eggs, orange juice, red/yellow peppers, garlic
Protein: fish, meat, eggs, dairy
Fatty acids: fish, meat, eggs, dairy
Omega 3: 2000mgED from king mackerel, salmon

Supplements which the diet doesn’t contribute to at all include cinnamon, berberine, black cumin and aspirin.

I estimate that if you do it all as I’ve detailed when it comes to hormones, diet and training, you could probably increase your biacromial width (distance between the outermost end of your clavicles) by 2 inches with 3-6 cycles. As someone who is committed to starting this in the next year, I will keep you up to date with how long it takes me.

Spoiler: Section 2.5: Surgical Options

If you have awful frame potential and you end up only getting an inch wider from framemaxxing, AND you’re rich as hell, then you could get clavicle lengthening surgery.

After surgery, you are about 1.5 inches wider than before.

This surgery costs:

• $26k with Eppley
• $51k with Leif Rodgers

It’s definitely risky though.

Here is an example of a clavicle lengthening patient from Rodgers:

Spoiler: Section 3: increasing bone density

After increasing your bideltoid by 1-2 inches from framemaxxing, you will develop a strong urge to stare at your frame in the mirror and touch yourself. I’m not going to stop you, but you must realise there are a few more steps to this whole framemaxxing thing.

Your bones will be wider, sure, but they will also be thin and prone to fracture.

To solve this, we’re going to make your bones more dense and rugged.

By increasing your bone density, we’ll inadvertently increase your muscle-building potential too, which helps us later down the line.

TO INCREASE BONE DENSITY, USE THE EXACT SAME DRUGS AND DIET AS BEFORE, WE’RE ONLY CHANGING THE TYPE OF TRAINING.

We will be utilising heavy compound movements to put stress on as many bones as possible throughout the upper body.

Exercise 1: bench press
Everyone knows how to do this. If you don’t, watch a Jeff Nippard video. Bench pressing in the heavy rep zone (3-5) with good form and this diet and drugs should result in thicker wrists.

Exercise 2: deadlift
Whilst I’m trying not to include too many lower body movements here as a V-taper looks better than an X-taper, deadlifts are still good as the shoulders and arms act as hooks for the barbell.

Exercise 3: overhead press
Same thing for bench press. Look it up if you aren’t a gymcel and you don’t know what it is. Also good for wrist development

Exercise 4: farmer’s carries.
very sexy movement even for classic hypertrophy. good for arm/wrist development.



Exercise 5: Barbell rows
It can feel a bit awkward to begin with, but you’ll get used to it

Exercise 6: Incline bench press
This here hits the clavicles directly as it’s on the exact same plane. Wrist development.

Exercise 7: Upwards rows



For each of these exercises do 3-5 heavy reps.

You could probably hit mogger bone density with one cycle while doing these exercises 5-6 days a week. Although it wouldn’t be overkill to do a second cycle.

Spoiler: Section 4: Hyperplasia

Explaining hyperplasia
Everyone who’s so far as watched an Athlean-X video knows about hypertrophy, the process where your muscle fibres get bigger in response to stimuli, but hardly anyone has heard about hypertrophy’s older brother: hyperplasia.

Hyperplasia makes new muscle cells, instead of just making the old ones bigger.

And the best part about it is that once you have these new muscle cells, there’s no losing them. You could eat like shit and train like a spaz, but you’d still have those muscles.

In terms of building size, hyperplasia isn’t necessarily superior to hypertrophy, but by increasing the number of muscle cells before you pump them up with hypertrophy, you strongly increase your muscle-building potential and you can surpass what would otherwise have been your ‘natural limit’.

Meaning that even if you were born with less muscle cells than average, you could make up for it and more if you could undergo hyperplasia again.

So that’s exactly what we’re going to do.

By combining a good diet, unorthodox training regimes and a few ‘special supplements’, we can increase the number of muscle cells in the muscles that matter: the lats, delts, chest and arms.

Training for hyperplasia

Training for hyperplasia is very odd, but here are the steps:

1. Pick two aesthetic muscles (or genetic weak points for you in terms of musculature)
2. Train both of them every day with five sets of 30 reps. Make sure your rests are short enough that you stay warm and that your muscles get a good pump of blood going to them.
3. After directly exercising, perform weighted stretches. This is where you stretch out a muscle with weight pulling the other way. An example of this for the lats would be a dead hang. An example for the biceps would be holding a dumbbell at ~5% of your curl range of motion, so it isn’t just hanging there but you aren’t bringing it up either.
4. Do this for a month.
5. Once you have finished that month, do not train for the next month.
6. Repeat with two new muscle groups.

Now, you won’t be noticeably bigger after doing this, but your muscle-building potential will be far higher. It’s the same difference between an empty gun and a loaded gun. You can’t tell the difference from looking at them but one is a whole lot more dangerous (or in our case, one is far more primed to build muscle)

This is putting the building blocks in place, setting the foundation. It isn’t constructing the skyscraper on top of it, that comes later.

Drugs and hormones for hyperplasia

MK-677:
Benefits: lengthens bones, slightly easier to build muscle, protects joints
Side effects: very strong hunger, side effects of HGH too
Pricing: $
Effectiveness: 2.5/5
Method of administration: pill
Frequency of administration: every day
Length of use: 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off
Best paired with: In this case, IGF-1 DES and MGF
Dosage: 25mg every day
Source: swisschems.is

MGF
Benefits: MGF induces hyperplasia by preparing the muscle cells for IGF-1 to do its magic
Side effects: hypoglycemia potentially, but it’s so short acting that you would only get side effects with PEG-MGF, the long lasting version.
Pricing: $
Method of administration: IM injection
Frequency of administration: into the muscles you’re about to work out
Length of use: 4 weeks on/off
Dosage: 200 mcg divided equally between muscles which you are about to train
Source: swisschems.is

IGF-1 DES
Benefits: in this context, IGF-1 causes the growth of new muscle cells
Side effects: headaches, muscle pains, joint pains, nausea, hypoglycemia
Pricing: $$
Method of administration: injection
Frequency of administration: inject it into muscles you’ve worked after exercising.
Length of use: 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
Dosage: 200 mcg per day, divided evenly between muscles used. You can go down to 100 mcg per day if you start experiencing side effects.
Source: swisschems.is

Diet and supplements for hyperplasia

Use the same diet you used for framemaxxing, but forget the excessive calcium and magnesium.

We’re using different supplements this time.

We need to upregulate the androgen receptor so that we have more satellite cells and proteins available to make new muscle cells.

The supplements we’ll be using for that are arachidonic acid, L-carnitine L-tartrate, Forskolin, Niacinamide and Huperzine-A.

If you want to do even more, you can add Caffeine, L-dopa and Tribulus Terrestris

If you can’t get all of them in your country it’s fine, but they do help.

To offset the side effects of MK-677, we’ll be using Slin pills so that our pituitary gland isn’t raped by the constant insulin demand.

Cycles I would recommend (in terms of which muscles to focus on) include the following:

• Biceps and rear delts
• Chest and lats
• Side delts and triceps

I will personally do each of the cycles above twice for good measure.

Rear delts are on the list, which may surprise some, however they are more important than you think when it comes to frame. Rear delts insert just under the side delt, meaning that having large rear delts pushes out your side delts further, making you even wider.

These aren’t the only muscles you could do this with, but you must be comfortable with injecting them. You could probably do neck and forearms, but neck is a bit too sketchy for me and the forearms have so many different muscles and training them all individually is long.

A general cycle design:
On cycle:

MK-677	25mg/day
MGF	200 mcg pre-workout, divided equally into muscles about to be trained
IGF-1 DES	200 mcg post-workout, divided equally into muscles about to be trained
Slin pills	2 after each meal
Testosterone Propionate	If you were young enough to framemaxx, use the largest tolerable dose you figured out in section 2. If you were too old for section 2: Start at 150mg/week for your first cycle. This is to see how you react to steroids, and to test if you are the type to get volcano full-body acne. If it goes well, increase to 200mg/week for the next cycle, and so on and so forth until the side effects are noticeable, at which point back off a bit on dosage.
General supplements	Arachidonic acid (post workout), L-carnitine L-tartrate, Forskolin, Niacinamide, Huperzine-A.

Off cycle:

Water fast	First three days, take vitamins if you want.
HCG	Use for the first week only. 1000-5000 IU’s per day, depending on how much you can spare.
Clomid	25mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4
Nolvadex	20mg every day for weeks 2,3 and 4

You can do multiple cycles for the same muscle group if you want, but I don’t know how much more effective it would be, if more effective at all.

Spoiler: Section 5: Hypertrophy

This is where the fun begins. You’ve worked tirelessly to increase your bone density and give yourself more muscle cells, now it’s time to put that to the test and see how big you can get.

This will be done by taking all of your pre-existing muscle cells along with your new ones and pumping them up.

You will be bulking. This means eating a lot of protein in a caloric surplus with training in a progressive overload manner.

Feel free to use steroids or SARMs to get to the final goal faster, but you won’t keep any gains over your body’s limit (which has been raised due to your prior efforts).

The supplements I suggest for this are:
MK-677 - 25mg every morning (should be cycled 3 months on, 3 months off)
Slin pills - 2 post-meal (only needed when using MK-677)
Creatine - 5g/day
Turkesterone from gorillamind.com - 4 pills per day, spaced out evenly
Arachidonic acid post-workout - 750-1500mg
Ashwagandha - 300-1200mg in the evening (must be cycled 3 months on, 3 months off)
Sarm AC-262 - 20mg every morning

The MK-677 and slin pills are not a MUST but if you’re anything like me, eating loads of good food is difficult, and MK-677 increases your appetite a lot. Plus it can help put on a couple pounds of muscle but it’s nothing crazy.

Same goes for Sarm AC-262, as it isn’t entirely needed but it increases T and gains with no side effects so why not. However you should definitely get blood tests done if you use this to make sure you aren't getting your testosterone suppressed, which could very well happen. If that is the case, either stop using it or go on a post-cycle therapy when you aren't using it.

You should eat 1.5g of protein per lb of lean body mass, and eat in a caloric surplus of 200 calories. Increase your caloric intake by 50 per week using almonds, and after 10 weeks add an entire new meal to the plan. If you struggle to do this, drink pasteurized egg whites with 0 calorie chocolate sauce. Pure protein.

Use a classic PPL split, 6 days on with a day of rest for the lord.



Drink a lot of water, train hard, increase the weight/number of reps each session.

Use good form, stick to the same exercises. I recommend watching Team 3D Alpha’s videos on best exercises for each muscle group.

https://www.youtube.com/c/TeamThreeDAlpha

SLEEP. Sleep for a minimum of 8 hours per night and a maximum of 10. The closer you get to 10, the better

Train with 20 sets per week for each muscle group, except for your legs. Do 10 sets per week for lower body. As I said, v-taper mogs x-taper.

Reaching maximum muscle potential will take around 2 years of bulking, but if we’re only working out for female gaze you only need to bulk for a year before cutting to 12-14% bf for maximum appeal.

For my hipcels out there, remember to put emphasis on the obliques when training abs. By going from a negative waist:hip ratio to an even waist:hip ratio you look far more masculine.

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Once you’ve bulked for a year or however long, just eat in a caloric deficit and train just as hard. You can take certain supplements to lose weight faster but there’s no point. Continue until you have a 4-pack, which I consider to be maximum appeal.

Spoiler: Section 6: Miscellanous (but vital) information

1. This goes without saying, but practise good posture for an extra 0.5-1 inch of perceived bideltoid instantly.
2. If your shoulders are super fucked even after framemaxxing and gymcelling, you can get shoulder implants to add an inch to your bideltoid, but I don’t know how much they cost or how long they last.
3. Whilst 10% bodyfat with a 6-pack looks more ‘aesthetic’, you will be healthier and have greater appeal at 12-14% with a 4-pack, as you are still muscular and ‘lean’, but you don’t look like a veiny tryhard which is what girls despise.
4. This is gonna sound weird, but don’t wear a backpack or carry around stuff with you when framemaxxing. This one study showed that when adolescent chicks would wear weighted sacks strapped to their body, their bones didn’t grow as long as their counterparts.
5. Sleep on your back instead of your side when framemaxxing. Don’t ask why it works, it just does.
6. Framemaxxing can be achieved without drugs to some extent, IF YOU ARE A TEENAGER. Your IGF-1 and HGH levels aren’t that bad as a late teen even if you’ve stopped growing, so if you just follow the diet and exercise you could definitely see some results, but it would take longer no doubt.
7. I can already see the comments saying ‘do I need to buy from swisschems.is? It’s expensive’ and the answer is not necessarily. The reason I recommend swisschmes is because they provide proof of third-party testing for all of their products, which 9/10 websites don’t. If you can find legit stuff in your country for less, by all means use it.
8. Another thing for hipcels, you can get liposuction on your hips to make them appear narrower than they really are compared to the rest of your body. I will be doing this and will post results in the future.
9. If you can use HGH instead of CJC-1295 and MK-677 (let’s say you’re a richcel) then do it. It places less stress on the pituitary gland.
10. Ratios matter more than size. If you have a 23 inch bideltoid, but wide hips, then it doesn’t matter. If you have wide shoulders, but they look compressed onto your ribcage, it doesn’t matter. If you have wide shoulders with a feminine waist:hip ratio, it doesn’t matter.
11. The ideal ratios are as following:

Shoulder to hip ratio: 1.8-1.9
Shoulder to rib cage ratio: 1.7-1.8
Waist to hip ratio: 1-1.1

12. Safety:
Use a blood glucose monitor each day on cycle to make sure you aren’t getting diabetes.

Do not reuse needles. use rubbing alcohol on the injection site prior to injection.

Wash your hands before injecting. inject testosterone subcutaneously (into the fat, not the muscle) for a slower, more steady release which will reduce risk of acne.

Have a sharps disposal container for the needles.

When reconstituting the peptides, do not shake the vial or inject the water with force, treat it like a baby as peptides are fragile and can become less effective or ineffective if shaken. Also, keep the peptides out of sunlight, preferably in a refrigerator.

When using testosterone for framemaxxing, GET BLOOD TESTS DONE. You need to know the hormone levels behind your side effects, otherwise you will make them worse. You need to know your estradiol/estrogen levels, most importantly. I say this because we already know your T is going to be through the roof, so a lot of side effects will be from having too low estrogen from overkill with the aromasin, or high estrogen from not enough aromasin.

13. Androgens are definitely important for framemaxxing. It's the difference between the frame of a 5'8" man and and a 5'9" woman. One has had far higher levels of testosterone and DHT throughout their life and the other has not. If you can't use them (say you would lose all your hair or get volcano acne) then fair enough but it shouldn't be overlooked.

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Spoiler: Section 7: evidence and studies

Just trust me bro, you weren’t gonna read any of that shit anyways.

Spoiler: Section 8: Conclusion

If you are a lanklet, you can get a wide frame and mog.
If you are a manlet framelet, you can get a wide frame and cope (or get LL)

Ultimately, the frame can be widened despite shitty genetics, you just need to know how to overcome them.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on here. I rate frames as well, so feel free to post. If I’ve missed anything let me know.

Do not DM me about this unless it’s progress which you’ve made.

Anyway, time to get back to mogging Londonistan subhumans.

Spoiler: Tags

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Dr.Paley said clavicle lengthening surgery isn’t safe though.