Thinking of cancelling trimax plans so philtrum doesn't lengthen

[koops]

My philtrum is 16mm which is basically the upper limit of acceptable. With bimax it has the potential to go to shit though, it could very easily end up being 17mm or in an especially bad scenario even 18mm. I know dudes will be like "oh well just get a lip lift then!" but it seems like lip lift is more good in theory than practice for men, despite fixing such a common and brutal issue it has almost 0 results on this forum, which makes me think that results look poor most of the time. If it were really so easy we'd see a bunch of long phil dudes save up a measly 3k (cheaper than rent in some cities ) and ascend left and right all over the forum.

When I was lean (I'm like 25% BF nowadays rip) I actually had a decent front, was able to slay (height halo) etc., so clearly I was not ugly despite my profile. I'm just so worried in the process of fixing my side I will completely nuke my front. At least with my current philtrum length I could feasibly get it to 15mm with a simple bit of lip filler, since my upper lip is pretty small.

Both mandible and maxilla are recessed by about 6mm-8mm in my case. I can at least get a genio for the recessed mandible part of me. Yes my e-line will be even more fucked, but better to have a fucked up e-line than a philtrum that is pushing the 2cm mark. Recessed LF1 area sucks but it still might be better than a long philtrum.

I am still early enough in my orthodontic treatment that I can switch from doing a surgery setup to just fixing my crossbite + crowding. What do you guys think? Am I overplaying the philtrum lengthening of the surgery?

 

[Animepilled]

Did your ortho say you need the surgery for crossbite?

 

[koops]

Did your ortho say you need the surgery for crossbite?

My dental situation is solvable through orthodontics alone. The 2 surgeons I've met with said they recommend bimax over genio but the orthodontist recommended me genio only

 

[Animepilled]

My dental situation is solvable through orthodontics alone. The 2 surgeons I've met with said they recommend bimax over genio but the orthodontist recommended me genio only

would you mind showing your side

 

[koops]

would you mind showing your side

Yea sure. Don't roast me for being a bit fat rn tho (or maybe do so I fucking lose it already )

 

[Animepilled]

Yea sure. Don't roast me for being a bit fat rn tho (or maybe do so I fucking lose it already )

yeah it looks alright. Do you have asymmetry from the front?

 

[koops]

yeah it looks alright. Do you have asymmetry from the front?

A little, slight jaw cant of about a degree and one side of my jaw is a little wider than the other. Outside of that the surgeons said I was surprisingly symmetrical

 

[Animepilled]

A little, slight jaw cant of about a degree and one side of my jaw is a little wider than the other. Outside of that the surgeons said I was surprisingly symmetrical

yeah honestly unless you need it for function i wouldn't do it. If your crossbite is bad and the doctors recommend surgery then yeah. But purely from aesthetics standpoint no.

 

[Animepilled]

Don't worry about philtrum tho if you decide to do it it's all bs

 

[koops]

Don't worry about philtrum tho if you decide to do it it's all bs

I mean it has objectively been recorded to lengthen it. I def wish it didn't, but it seems to me like the lefort movement does indeed make it longer

yeah honestly unless you need it for function i wouldn't do it. If your crossbite is bad and the doctors recommend surgery then yeah. But purely from aesthetics standpoint no.

I guess so, but unfortunately I'm in a bad spot where my recession at the chin point is big enough to be a noticeable (but not extreme) deformity. So I have to do SOMETHING. But when I try to morph what a genioplasty looks like, it makes me realize I'll just end up with a big mentofold and caved-in lips like I'm Moonman. Mind you my morphs are the most terrible looking you'll see, but the general direction is what I mean.

Really feels like I am stuck between a rock and a hard place here. Might just have to suck it up and become a philtrumcel

 

[compost_]

ur Philtrum doesn’t even look too bad to me tbh since u have good chin height w it but maybe im just retarded

If I were u I would jus stick w it as long as u have the money n nothing to really stop u but idk maybe thats jus me speaking from the pov of my own situation

N there’s honestly no way to definitively tell exactly how soft tissues will turn out after surgery so it jus depends if ur willing to risk that one area for the improvement of the others

I wouldn’t wanna settle but the genio doesn’t look bad

 

[vermicel]

ur Philtrum doesn’t even look too bad to me tbh since u have good chin height

Agreed.
Philtrum doesn't look excessively long in the front profile picture. Current chin to philtrum ratio is 2.1-2.2, within ideal range. Moreover, bimax could improve lip support and fix some of the upper lip asymmetry, and genio could also make the chin taller.
Philtrum certainly doesn't look long in the side profile picture, quite the opposite, as it is currently squeezed inbetween a big ol' schnoz and a tall chin with extra long mentolabial fold (nearly as long as the philtrum itself !).

If I were u I would jus stick w it

Agreed again. @koops you should definitely go ahead with that trimax.
Follow it up with a complementary rhino and you'll be good ; some work/grafting around the anterior nasal spine & columella will probably be necessary.
Also don't neglect softmaxxes ; besides getting rid of excessive fat, you can also improve your skin quality (e.g. refine texture and treat the inflammation around the alar folds), eyelashes, eyebrows, and haircut/grooming.
By the way, I wonder if a fat graft could create the illusion of a chin that is attached higher by injecting it strategically in the mentolabial fold. This is not a priority at this stage, of course.

Morph roughly simulating a trimax + rhino + softmaxxes :

 

[diarrhetic]

The main way a philtrum can wind up looking longer after a bimax is if the surgeon moves the upper jaw upward to fix a gummy smile. When the bone moves up, the lip loses some of its structural support and drops, creating the illusion of a longer philtrum. Massive post-op swelling can also weigh the lip down temporarily, and pushing the jaw too far forward can flatten out its natural curve. To stop this from happening, surgeons use 3D digital planning beforehand to make sure they aren't over-correcting the bone. Then, during the actual surgery, they use those specialized stitches we talked about—like the V-Y closure—to bunch the tissue together, which keeps the lip full and prevents it from lengthening or thinning out. Anyways, i think that your philtrum doesn't look that big.

 

[koops]

Agreed.
Philtrum doesn't look excessively long in the front profile picture. Current chin to philtrum ratio is 2.1-2.2, within ideal range. Moreover, bimax could improve lip support and fix some of the upper lip asymmetry, and genio could also make the chin taller.
Philtrum certainly doesn't look long in the side profile picture, quite the opposite, as it is currently squeezed inbetween a big ol' schnoz and a tall chin with extra long mentolabial fold (nearly as long as the philtrum itself !).



Agreed again. @koops you should definitely go ahead with that trimax.
Follow it up with a complementary rhino and you'll be good ; some work/grafting around the anterior nasal spine & columella will probably be necessary.
Also don't neglect softmaxxes ; besides getting rid of excessive fat, you can also improve your skin quality (e.g. refine texture and treat the inflammation around the alar folds), eyelashes, eyebrows, and haircut/grooming.
By the way, I wonder if a fat graft could create the illusion of a chin that is attached higher by injecting it strategically in the mentolabial fold. This is not a priority at this stage, of course.

Morph roughly simulating a trimax + rhino + softmaxxes :

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Thanks man, looks really good. Rhino was always something I was gonna do within a year after so it's cool to see it here. Much better morph than I ever could have made. Kind of funny how, based on what I know of my anatomy, my chin/jaw is probably only moving forwards like 6-7mm here. What a different a little bit can make. Funnily the fat loss is probably the biggest thing here lmao, time to stop my descent into obesity and get lean again

Also you guys are right about my philtrum, I don't think it's notably long upon retrospect, I think I was just BDDmaxxing at that time

 

[Animepilled]

Agreed.
Philtrum doesn't look excessively long in the front profile picture. Current chin to philtrum ratio is 2.1-2.2, within ideal range. Moreover, bimax could improve lip support and fix some of the upper lip asymmetry, and genio could also make the chin taller.
Philtrum certainly doesn't look long in the side profile picture, quite the opposite, as it is currently squeezed inbetween a big ol' schnoz and a tall chin with extra long mentolabial fold (nearly as long as the philtrum itself !).



Agreed again. @koops you should definitely go ahead with that trimax.
Follow it up with a complementary rhino and you'll be good ; some work/grafting around the anterior nasal spine & columella will probably be necessary.
Also don't neglect softmaxxes ; besides getting rid of excessive fat, you can also improve your skin quality (e.g. refine texture and treat the inflammation around the alar folds), eyelashes, eyebrows, and haircut/grooming.
By the way, I wonder if a fat graft could create the illusion of a chin that is attached higher by injecting it strategically in the mentolabial fold. This is not a priority at this stage, of course.

Morph roughly simulating a trimax + rhino + softmaxxes :

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looks mogger. But it's one thing to morph and another to get the same result on the operating table. Hope you get it.

 

[compost_]

Thanks man, looks really good. Rhino was always something I was gonna do within a year after so it's cool to see it here. Much better morph than I ever could have made. Kind of funny how, based on what I know of my anatomy, my chin/jaw is probably only moving forwards like 6-7mm here. What a different a little bit can make. Funnily the fat loss is probably the biggest thing here lmao, time to stop my descent into obesity and get lean again

Also you guys are right about my philtrum, I don't think it's notably long upon retrospect, I think I was just BDDmaxxing at that time

Happens to everyone

Smts im like fuck I’m so ugly surgery won’t even be able to fix me n then smts im like I don’t even need surgery I look so good lol