Unfortunately, I am someone who needs OBO.

[nom.]

Damn it, I'm someone who desperately needs OBO.

I can't fail and die in this life because of this face.

Please...

Oh, God, what should I do?



Is OBO surgery really that unnecessary and dangerous?

Why do you think getting OBO surgery is impossible?



If the distance between my eyes had been just a few millimeters wider, I wouldn't have even come to this community.

It's not that this community is bad, but I've been under such severe mental stress all this time.



It's too hard.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Traditional Orbital Box Osteotomy is not practical because of the $125K+ price tag (recent quotes) and the risks involved to open the cranial vault and expose the brain.

I invented an aesthetic and lower risk "Minimal" Version. It's still about as invasive as bimax, so very. But no where near as much as traditional with craniotomy (1% death risk - unacceptable for me) In the version Invented, no craniotomy is done.



It is rightfully available only through Giant Istanbul as I am the inventor and have a patent on the guides necessary to perform it. We are the most experienced in performing it anyway.

The cost is about 35,000 euros at the time of writing.

 

[nom.]

Traditional Orbital Box Osteotomy is not practical because of the $125K+ price tag (recent quotes) and the risks involved to open the cranial vault and expose the brain.

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I invented an aesthetic and lower risk "Minimal" Version. It's still about as invasive as bimax, so very. But no where near as much as traditional with craniotomy (1% death risk - unacceptable for me) In the version Invented, no craniotomy is done.



It is rightfully available only through Giant Istanbul as I am the inventor and have a patent on the guides necessary to perform it. We are the most experienced in performing it anyway.

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The cost is about 35,000 euros at the time of writing.

I'd like to register for the counseling waiting list soon. Is that possible?

What steps do I need to take?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

I'd like to register for the counseling waiting list soon. Is that possible?

What steps do I need to take?

First, to pre screen you (free) please send a pic to either my DMs or RealGiantImplants at Gmail dot Com so neither of our time is wasted.

Do not contact if you are under 18.

If you are a preliminary candidate, the doctor will write an rx for CT scan, which you will take to your local imaging center. Once you have the scans, a detailed consultation will be held on zoom.

 

[Whirr22222]

Traditional Orbital Box Osteotomy is not practical because of the $125K+ price tag (recent quotes) and the risks involved to open the cranial vault and expose the brain.

View attachment 4326158

I invented an aesthetic and lower risk "Minimal" Version. It's still about as invasive as bimax, so very. But no where near as much as traditional with craniotomy (1% death risk - unacceptable for me) In the version Invented, no craniotomy is done.



It is rightfully available only through Giant Istanbul as I am the inventor and have a patent on the guides necessary to perform it. We are the most experienced in performing it anyway.

View attachment 4326167

The cost is about 35,000 euros at the time of writing.

How did u feel / what was ur heart rate the first time u performed the cosmetic OBO im curious?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

How did u feel / what was ur heart rate the first time u performed the cosmetic OBO im curious?

It felt amazing. I wasn't afraid but serious, and focused. It was with Dr Burak.

November 2023, in Istanbul. Just after Thanksgiving. Great memory....

 

[Resistance.]

Damn it, I'm someone who desperately needs OBO.

I can't fail and die in this life because of this face.

Please...

Oh, God, what should I do?



Is OBO surgery really that unnecessary and dangerous?

Why do you think getting OBO surgery is impossible?



If the distance between my eyes had been just a few millimeters wider, I wouldn't have even come to this community.

It's not that this community is bad, but I've been under such severe mental stress all this time.



It's too hard.

can you send some photos pls? i want be sure about obo for you

 

[GeneticDeadEnd]

@RealSurgerymax do you perform narrowing obo/what your general opinion about it

It felt amazing. I wasn't afraid but serious, and focused. It was with Dr Burak.

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November 2023, in Istanbul. Just after Thanksgiving. Great memory....

Is it riskier compared to widening OBO?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

@RealSurgerymax do you perform narrowing obo/what your general opinion about it

Is it riskier compared to widening OBO?

Widening OBO, for close set eyes is the most straight forward, although the rarest, and something I pioneered.

Narrowing OBO for wide set eyes leaves extra soft tissue that needs to be addressed: redundant skin and possibly epicanthal folds.

However, both are certainly feasible and Giant Implants service has done both versions successfully.

 

[ltn dreams]

First, to pre screen you (free) please send a pic to either my DMs or RealGiantImplants at Gmail dot Com so neither of our time is wasted.

Do not contact if you are under 18.

If you are a preliminary candidate, the doctor will write an rx for CT scan, which you will take to your local imaging center. Once you have the scans, a detailed consultation will be held on zoom.

could someone be rejected as a possible candidate? And do you have a list of your offered procedures/their price range

 

[RealSurgerymax]

could someone be rejected as a possible candidate? And do you have a list of your offered procedures/their price range

Yes I reject many. Almost half who are not candidates, sometimes alternative procedures are discussed.

Customized Aesthetic Bimax/Trimax
Customized Aesthetic OBO
Customized Aesthetic LF2/LF3
Custom Facial Implants of all kinds including kinds I invented or exclusively do with my team in IST.

I am here for the aesthetic planning, design, access to advantageous and exclusive (patent pending) products invented by me, and assist the surgery. Therefore, surgeries which require no custom guides, plates or implants I am not directly involved in. The surgeons I partner with can still provide, at the time of the surgeries I mentioned above: Rhinoplasty, Canthoplasty and lower Eyelid Retraction Surgery, Deep Plane Face and Neck Techniques, Otoplasty, Brow Recontouring, Liposuction, Fat Grafting etc.

The average plan TOTAL (meaning combined surgery/hospital/anesthesia + design, planning, guides, plates and implants cost) ranges from 15,000 (small plan, like a couple of implants) to 40,000 euros (huge plan, like LF3, and full skull implants) A custom bimax and implants combo is usually around 25k euros. I already mentioned OBO estimate in this chat. These are ESTIMATES at the time of writing and in no way binding quotes. Due to inflation & gained experience (already have unmatched experience), prices will obviously go higher in the future.

 

[GeneticDeadEnd]

Widening OBO, for close set eyes is the most straight forward, although the rarest, and something I pioneered.

Narrowing OBO for wide set eyes leaves extra soft tissue that needs to be addressed: redundant skin and possibly epicanthal folds.

However, both are certainly feasible and Giant Implants service has done both versions successfully.

Thanks.Lifefuel for me.

 

[GeneticDeadEnd]

Widening OBO, for close set eyes is the most straight forward, although the rarest, and something I pioneered.

Narrowing OBO for wide set eyes leaves extra soft tissue that needs to be addressed: redundant skin and possibly epicanthal folds.

However, both are certainly feasible and Giant Implants service has done both versions successfully.

@RealSurgerymax As I understand both versions dont expose the brain yeah?

 

[ltn dreams]

Yes I reject many. Almost half who are not candidates, sometimes alternative procedures are discussed.

Customized Aesthetic Bimax/Trimax
Customized Aesthetic OBO
Customized Aesthetic LF2/LF3
Custom Facial Implants of all kinds including kinds I invented or exclusively do with my team in IST.

I am here for the aesthetic planning, design, access to advantageous and exclusive (patent pending) products invented by me, and assist the surgery. Therefore, surgeries which require no custom guides, plates or implants I am not directly involved in. The surgeons I partner with can still provide, at the time of the surgeries I mentioned above: Rhinoplasty, Canthoplasty and lower Eyelid Retraction Surgery, Deep Plane Face and Neck Techniques, Otoplasty, Brow Recontouring, Liposuction, Fat Grafting etc.

The average plan TOTAL (meaning combined surgery/hospital/anesthesia + design, planning, guides, plates and implants cost) ranges from 15,000 (small plan, like a couple of implants) to 40,000 euros (huge plan, like LF3, and full skull implants) A custom bimax and implants combo is usually around 25k euros. I already mentioned OBO estimate in this chat. These are ESTIMATES at the time of writing and in no way binding quotes. Due to inflation & gained experience (already have unmatched experience), prices will obviously go higher in the future.

what IPD would you perform OBO on?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

@RealSurgerymax As I understand both versions dont expose the brain yeah?

Only in my version which is exclusively available through Giant.

 

[Devon]

Widening OBO, for close set eyes is the most straight forward, although the rarest, and something I pioneered.

Narrowing OBO for wide set eyes leaves extra soft tissue that needs to be addressed: redundant skin and possibly epicanthal folds.

However, both are certainly feasible and Giant Implants service has done both versions successfully.

How many non syndromic obos have you performed so far? I thought you only did the 2

Also do you know when I can hear a response regarding my consultation being scheduled, I would appreciate it.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

How many non syndromic obos have you performed so far? I thought you only did the 2

Also do you know when I can hear a response regarding my consultation being scheduled, I would appreciate it.

No we have done more than than that aesthetcially, plus a syndromic.

And in Jan alone I have 3 more cases (possibly 4)

DM

 

[CopeTilliRope]

No we have done more than than that aesthetcially, plus a syndromic.

And in Jan alone I have 3 more cases (possibly 4)

DM

sorry to bother but do you have found a way to reduce a long midface bony an soft tissue included via some sort of maxillary rotation/ impaction that is unknown of for the average surgeons ? or is it physcially impossible in 2025 ? as i got both bad ipd combined with a longer than normal midface . thx would love to know if there is something doable

this is the only good results i've seen not sure what was done tho

 

[RealSurgerymax]

sorry to bother but do you have found a way to reduce a long midface bony an soft tissue included via some sort of maxillary rotation/ impaction that is unknown of for the average surgeons ? or is it physcially impossible in 2025 ? as i got both bad ipd combined with a longer than normal midface . thx would love to know if there is something doable

this is the only good results i've seen not sure what was done tho

yes I know how in the right case

 

[CopeTilliRope]

yes I know how in the right case

would be groundbreaking i messaged you on your profile if you could answer a few question on midface shortening i would pay whatever for your answers via message. thanks

 

[lifemaxxer67]

yes I know how in the right case

is it really aesthetically significant though or just couple of mms?

 

[CopeTilliRope]

is it really aesthetically significant though or just couple of mms?

would be huge already but i don't see how physically possible it is ti actually get soft tissue reduction without omesort of insane scarring

 

[nom.]

sorry to bother but do you have found a way to reduce a long midface bony an soft tissue included via some sort of maxillary rotation/ impaction that is unknown of for the average surgeons ? or is it physcially impossible in 2025 ? as i got both bad ipd combined with a longer than normal midface . thx would love to know if there is something doable

this is the only good results i've seen not sure what was done tho

I'm only speaking based on the knowledge I have.



First, a common characteristic among people with a long midface is a long nose.

There is a method to reduce its length by slightly elevating the bridge of the nose.

If both the maxilla and mandible are long, mandibular osteotomy can be performed for a long mandible, and maxillary osteotomy combined with lip reduction surgery can be performed for a long maxilla to achieve the effect of actually reducing the midface.

However, in the case of the maxilla, the reduction is barely noticeable externally due to the overlying skin. This means that a reduction in the length of the philtrum may need to be performed concurrently with the maxillary reduction, as determined by CT scans.

I am not a medical professional, so please take this as a reference only.

 

[CopeTilliRope]

I'm only speaking based on the knowledge I have.



First, a common characteristic among people with a long midface is a long nose.

There is a method to reduce its length by slightly elevating the bridge of the nose.

If both the maxilla and mandible are long, mandibular osteotomy can be performed for a long mandible, and maxillary osteotomy combined with lip reduction surgery can be performed for a long maxilla to achieve the effect of actually reducing the midface.

However, in the case of the maxilla, the reduction is barely noticeable externally due to the overlying skin. This means that a reduction in the length of the philtrum may need to be performed concurrently with the maxillary reduction, as determined by CT scans.

I am not a medical professional, so please take this as a reference only.

agreed but i never seen actually a case of maxillary impaction combined with a lip lift post op on someone with no gummy smile pre op .and i never ever saw a case of maxillary impaction that actually made the face look aestetically shorter and as you said no soft tissue reduction .

and lip lift alone don't give the effect of a shorter face i find they do the opposite weirdly as it pulls only the middle of the vermillion border up which gives a " heavier " bottom face effect aesthetically speaking.


so i was wondering if he knew of some special technique we wouldnt think of.

i was thinking of lifting the tip of my nose up and getting some sort of midface lift/ philtrum lip flip but not even sure it would give a significant reduction .

 

[nom.]

agreed but i never seen actually a case of maxillary impaction combined with a lip lift post op on someone with no gummy smile pre op .and i never ever saw a case of maxillary impaction that actually made the face look aestetically shorter and as you said no soft tissue reduction .

and lip lift alone don't give the effect of a shorter face i find they do the opposite weirdly as it pulls only the middle of the vermillion border up which gives a " heavier " bottom face effect aesthetically speaking.


so i was wondering if he knew of some special technique we wouldnt think of.

i was thinking of lifting the tip of my nose up and getting some sort of midface lift/ philtrum lip flip but not even sure it would give a significant reduction .

If lifting the lips alone doesn't shorten the midface, it might mean that another area, not the lips, has a longer proportion. Try finding that area.



I have seen such cases. However, it seems you haven't encountered them yet or are in an area where they aren't well-known.

But an expert is an expert.

No matter the country, region, or ethnicity, there will be someone who knows the solution to the concern you mentioned.



One thing I learned after learning about plastic surgery is that you must consult in person.

The internet is full of things you don't know and is too limited.



The case you mentioned definitely exists. I saw it myself.

If I was deceived, then I was deceived—but I am not a person who lies.