Veganism

[ascendeay]

Do people genuinely have any evidence besides anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims for why veganism is bad? If so, please present evidence other than “goy” and lowIQ insults.

 

[hypergonadal]

look at this low iq goy

 

[luvcoke]

idk bro faceIQ told me it's bad!!

 

[ascendeay]

look at this low ig goy

I still don’t get why people use goy as an insult. Like yeah bro, I’m not Jewish, are you? JFL

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

there are over 50 nutrients that the vegan diet doesnt provide you. ex the b6 vitamins, B12, vitamin D and much more

 

[ascendeay]

idk bro faceIQ told me it's bad!!

FructoseIQ now

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

also why in the fuck would you want to eat green leaves for the rest of your life

 

[prettyboymaxer]

i love being vegan !!!!!

my dick hardly produces sperm anymore and i dont even get boners, but boners are disgusting anyways !!!!

 

[ascendeay]

there are over 50 nutrients that the vegan diet doesnt provide you. ex the b6 vitamins, B12, vitamin D and much more

I hear this argument a lot, but people fail to realize majority of people who aren’t vegan, so meat eaters, have nutrient deficiencies as well. A good planned vegan diet, with supplementation if unable to get entirely through diet, should be healthier than a diet including meat and animal products due to lower saturated fat consumption and others factors like fiber intake etc.

 

[ascendeay]

also why in the fuck would you want to eat green leaves for the rest of your life

I mean it’s not just green leaves, I think you’re underrepresenting what a vegan diet is. It’d be the same as me saying to a person who eats a non vegan diet “why the fuck would you want to eat animal flesh for the rest of your life” yk?

 

[Lefty Rankin]

Do people genuinely have any evidence besides anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims for why veganism is bad? If so, please present evidence other than “goy” and lowIQ insults.

Because meat is good for you. Eating only vegetables and grains makes you a sissy. Sissy mind and sissy body. Causing animals distress and making them shit themselves before getting slaughtered is what makes a real man. Girls get wet when you demonstrate an indifference to the suffering of animals.

I never found a wife until I crushed a cat's skull at my workplace. Once I killed the cat though one of my co workers was willing to marry me.

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

I hear this argument a lot, but people fail to realize majority of people who aren’t vegan, so meat eaters, have nutrient deficiencies as well. A good planned vegan diet, with supplementation if unable to get entirely through diet, should be healthier than a diet including meat and animal products due to lower saturated fat consumption and others factors like fiber intake etc.

that still doesnt solve the issue, why would you purposely choose to eat a diet that lacks essential nutrients even if u can get these nutrients from external supplements doesnt make any sense

 

[ascendeay]

i love being vegan !!!!!

my dick hardly produces sperm anymore and i dont even get boners, but boners are disgusting anyways !!!!

Again, read the first post. I’d like to see some evidence for this being the case. If you wanna use anecdotes, I’ve been eating relatively vegan and my dick gets hard as fuck.

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

I mean it’s not just green leaves, I think you’re underrepresenting what a vegan diet is. It’d be the same as me saying to a person who eats a non vegan diet “why the fuck would you want to eat animal flesh for the rest of your life” yk?

Eating animals has been something humans have done since the beginning of time, 400 years ago no one would think to not eat meat and only eat plants

 

[ascendeay]

that still doesnt solve the issue, why would you purposely choose to eat a diet that lacks essential nutrients even if u can get these nutrients from external supplements doesnt make any sense

Again, it’s about what foods you eat and how well planned the diet it. If you plan the diet well, you should be easily able to get in your micronutrients. Diets including meat have their fair share of nutrient deficiencies. Take a look at nutrient deficiencies in the US that affects majority of Americans, yet majority eat meat. It’s about overall diet planning and health observation.

 

[Acquiescence]

You know for a long time I had a lot of sympathy for vegan arguments

Still do

But as I got deeper and deeper into pessimism I realized that if animals are going to exist it’s better for them to live a confined drugged up monotonous existence that ends with a quick death rather than go through the horrors and brutality of nature

There are some potential out there sci fi solutions to the problem of animal suffering but time will tell

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

Again, it’s about what foods you eat and how well planned the diet it. If you plan the diet well, you should be easily able to get in your micronutrients. Diets including meat have their fair share of nutrient deficiencies. Take a look at nutrient deficiencies in the US that affects majority of Americans, yet majority eat meat. It’s about overall diet planning and health observation.

the difference is that the people who eat meat in the US mostly eat fast food goyslop and other factorymade meat not natural clean meat.

 

[ascendeay]

Eating animals has been something humans have done since the beginning of time, 400 years ago no one would think to not eat meat and only eat plants

Just because something has been done for a long time, doesn’t make it morally justified. For example, slavery was used for centuries, that doesn’t make it morally okay. Murder and rape, same thing. Especially since now we have alternatives to meat for protein sources, and the environmental impact is drastic, now is the time to switch off or reduce meat consumption.

 

[cattboy]

idk bro faceIQ told me it's bad!!

ironically faceiq gives the most amount of research on his vids

 

[Andremln]

Majority of primalcels are low IQ and no different than normies following around trendy diets, but you shouldn't just discard anecdotes, at the end of the day we build our data based on multiple experiences, anecdotal, trial and error because variance exists.

I am ignorant on the topic so take this as a grain of salt, but i genuinely feel better without vegetables, i had sebderm during all of my teen years, extreme irritation and dandruff, tried ketoconazole but it raped my hair, so i tried elimination diet to erase potential triggers, only ate meat, organs and fruits, and it went away, since then i've stayed on the diet and sometimes eat raw foods for the taste and i am alright

Omega6s are really unstable compared to 3s, and when the concentration of those on your cellular membrane is high, sun exposure becomes dangerous, i am pale and never in my life was i able to have more than 40mins of unprotected sun exposure, since i stopped consuming seed oils i can chill outside for the whole day and i just tan a little bit, we know that fish oils are used to treat burns and i have a high intake of those as well

I don't plan on doing my research because i feel great as of now, never felt better health wise, haven't got sick, i have more consistent energy levels through the day probably because of ketosis, i have no inflammation, i look better, etc.

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

also

Just because something has been done for a long time, doesn’t make it morally justified. For example, slavery was used for centuries, that doesn’t make it morally okay. Murder and rape, same thing. Especially since now we have alternatives to meat for protein sources, and the environmental impact is drastic, now is the time to switch off or reduce meat consumption.

are you really comparing eating meat which is what u naturally want to do to salvery and murder? Slafves literally almost never ate meat in their lives. eating meat for them would be a dream come true. But i guess you go enjoy your delicious seeds, grain sludge and leaves bro

 

[ascendeay]

You know for a long time I had a lot of sympathy for vegan arguments

Still do

But as I got deeper and deeper into pessimism I realized that if animals are going to exist it’s better for them to live a confined drugged up monotonous existence that ends with a quick death rather than go through the horrors and brutality of nature

There are some potential out there sci fi solutions to the problem of animal suffering but time will tell

Moral outcomes that happen in nature doesn’t fall on the burden of human morality in most of vegan’s ethics. Which is why they don’t hold the responsibility to hold and nurture all animals in their home rather than let them outside and die in nature. We as humans have a moral superiority over other creatures, to which we lend our our hand when necessary. In a time of industrialization that threatens the environment through the creation of factory farms, this is the best time to reduce meat consumption.

 

[ascendeay]

Majority of primalcels are low IQ and no different than normies following around trendy diets, but you shouldn't just discard anecdotes, at the end of the day we build our data based on multiple experiences, anecdotal, trial and error because variance exists.

I am ignorant on the topic so take this as a grain of salt, but i genuinely feel better without vegetables, i had sebderm during all of my teen years, extreme irritation and dandruff, tried ketoconazole but it raped my hair, so i tried elimination diet to erase potential triggers, only ate meat, organs and fruits, and it went away, since then i've stayed on the diet and sometimes eat raw foods for the taste and i am alright

Omega6s are really unstable compared to 3s, and when the concentration of those on your cellular membrane is high, sun exposure becomes dangerous, i am pale and never in my life was i able to have more than 40mins of unprotected sun exposure, since i stopped consuming seed oils i can chill outside for the whole day and i just tan a little bit, we know that fish oils are used to treat burns and i have a high intake of those as well

I don't plan on doing my research because i feel great as of now, never felt better health wise, haven't got sick, i have more consistent energy levels through the day probably because of ketosis, i have no inflammation, i look better, etc.

I can’t be asked to provide my evidence rn of studies on PUFAS cause I’m tired. I understand you care about your health and “feel good”. I’d recommend you get bloodwork to check your SHBG levels. I’ve tended to notice people who eat meat, specifically red meat, in excess, tend to have higher SHBG levels which will bind to your total testosterone, leaving you with less feee testosterone. This is probably due to the heme iron content found in red meat. Also, I think you’re severely underestimating the benefit of carbohydrates in the diet. Glycogen through carbs is so essential, especially for brain and muscular health.

 

[cattboy]

Do people genuinely have any evidence besides anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims for why veganism is bad? If so, please present evidence other than “goy” and lowIQ insults.

well it would take a long time to go in depth. but it comes down to what knowledge in nutrition we have.

the vegetable isnt meant for our consumption. the plant protects itself from predators via chemicals and physical counters.

the plant bears fruit, and is what we eat as a source of some beneficial vitamins. the plant wants us to eat its fruit so we can be a helpful source of spreading its influence of seed expansion

fruits are good, but the actual vegetable/plant isnt meant for humans. it actively tries to defend itself. when we eat leaves from a plant it will just die because it relies on leaves to photosynthesize. and so this brings us back to it defending itself

they are also defficient in essential minerals and vitamins compared to animal food.

why dont vegans die early then? well humans can survive off of mcdonalds for years too. its not healthy at all but our body can be flexible to use what it gets to keep going.

this was all just unorganized arguments and im too tired to correct anythin i missed ok

 

[ascendeay]

also

are you really comparing eating meat which is what u naturally want to do to salvery and murder? Slafves literally almost never ate meat in their lives. eating meat for them would be a dream come true. But i guess you go enjoy your delicious seeds, grain sludge and leaves bro

Bro. That was my point. Let’s say I “naturally” want to murder someone. It doesn’t make it right. Nice lowiq insult at the end, mirin the low effort dumbass

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

Bro. That was my point. Let’s say I “naturally” want to murder someone. It doesn’t make it right. Nice lowiq insult at the end, mirin the low effort dumbass

you fucking faggot everybody naturally wants to eat meat, idk why tf anyone would ever be vegan, ofc u can include plants in ur diet as well as meat but not eating animal products at all is just retarded

 

[ascendeay]

well it would take a long time to go in depth. but it comes down to what knowledge in nutrition we have.

the vegetable isnt meant for our consumption. the plant protects itself from predators via chemicals and physical counters.

the plant bears fruit, and is what we eat as a source of some beneficial vitamins. the plant wants us to eat its fruit so we can be a helpful source of spreading its influence of seed expansion

fruits are good, but the actual vegetable/plant isnt meant for humans. it actively tries to defend itself. when we eat leaves from a plant it will just die because it relies on leaves to photosynthesize. and so this brings us back to it defending itself

they are also defficient in essential minerals and vitamins compared to animal food.

why dont vegans die early then? well humans can survive off of mcdonalds for years too. its not healthy at all but our body can be flexible to use what it gets to keep going.

this was all just unorganized arguments and im too tired to correct anythin i missed ok

Whole bunch of statements and claims, I am going to need some evidence or studies supporting your claim. We see increased fiber intake tends to make people live longer and decreased risk of CVD. That can be achieved through eating vegetables. All can be achieved in a well balanced vegan diet.

 

[ascendeay]

you fucking faggot everybody naturally wants to eat meat, idk why tf anyone would ever be vegan, ofc u can include plants in ur diet as well as meat but not eating animal products at all is just retarded

Yeah again, nice claim with no evidence you dumbass. You’re just making claims to make them. I explained the ethical concerns and it won’t get through your thin small skull.

 

[Acquiescence]

Moral outcomes that happen in nature doesn’t fall on the burden of human morality in most of vegan’s ethics.

I would say they do tbh

Which is why they don’t hold the responsibility to hold and nurture all animals in their home rather than let them outside and die in nature. We as humans have a moral superiority over other creatures, to which we lend our our hand when necessary. In a time of industrialization that threatens the environment through the creation of factory farms, this is the best time to reduce meat consumption.

Yeah no argument here I’m just explaining how I justify my selfish indulgences to myself

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

Yeah again, nice claim with no evidence you dumbass. You’re just making claims to make them. I explained the ethical concerns and it won’t get through your thin small skull.

if my skull was thin you fucking retard then it wouldve gone through, ur just repeating bullshit thinking thats an insult. And you never told me about these ethical concerns of yours

 

[ascendeay]

I would say they do tbh


Yeah no argument here I’m just explaining how I justify my selfish indulgences to myself

Fair point, mirin the highIQ response. Respect G

 

[khazarianmafia73]

I hear this argument a lot, but people fail to realize majority of people who aren’t vegan, so meat eaters, have nutrient deficiencies as well. A good planned vegan diet, with supplementation if unable to get entirely through diet, should be healthier than a diet including meat and animal products due to lower saturated fat consumption and others factors like fiber intake etc.

Saturated fat and cholesterol is not bad for you, that is cope, studies:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4836695/
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
fiber is basically useless:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11773866/
You can’t digest it due to body being unable to produce cellulose, and lot of it is insoluble meaning it just causes bloating, gas, and bacterial overgrowth. Humans do not need fiber at all and for most of human history they consumed very little
And also you have to supplement it so it already proves veganism is unnatural

 

[GoErOnFoids]

how and why do we even have veganism as an option........

 

[cattboy]

Whole bunch of statements and claims, I am going to need some evidence or studies supporting your claim. We see increased fiber intake tends to make people live longer and decreased risk of CVD. That can be achieved through eating vegetables. All can be achieved in a well balanced vegan diet.

yes however i know by showing any sort of evidence it wont change your mind because ive debated people like you for years and it always ends in them just insulting.

fiber isnt essential… you should know this.

if you actually want to debate then i will.

 

[ascendeay]

if my skull was thin you fucking retard then it wouldve gone through, ur just repeating bullshit thinking thats an insult. And you never told me about these ethical concerns of yours

“Just because something has been done for a long time, doesn’t make it morally justified. For example, slavery was used for centuries, that doesn’t make it morally okay. Murder and rape, same thing. Especially since now we have alternatives to meat for protein sources, and the environmental impact is drastic, now is the time to switch off or reduce meat consumption.” Already sent this to you. JFL. Also that’s the point, your skull is thin cause you ain’t got a fucking brain in there. And it STILL didn’t get through that thin skull.

 

[ascendeay]

how and why do we even have veganism as an option........

“My response when I have no response”

 

[khazarianmafia73]

But why should people actually become vegan? Do you have any arguments for that?

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

“Just because something has been done for a long time, doesn’t make it morally justified. For example, slavery was used for centuries, that doesn’t make it morally okay. Murder and rape, same thing. Especially since now we have alternatives to meat for protein sources, and the environmental impact is drastic, now is the time to switch off or reduce meat consumption.” Already sent this to you. JFL. Also that’s the point, your skull is thin cause you ain’t got a fucking brain in there. And it STILL didn’t get through that thin skull.

U fucking retard this argument doesnt make any sense, you cant compare rape and murder with eating meat, give me an actual argument or shut ur nasty vegan mouth up fuckface

 

[Andremln]

I can’t be asked to provide my evidence rn of studies on PUFAS cause I’m tired. I understand you care about your health and “feel good”. I’d recommend you get bloodwork to check your SHBG levels. I’ve tended to notice people who eat meat, specifically red meat, in excess, tend to have higher SHBG levels which will bind to your total testosterone, leaving you with less feee testosterone. This is probably due to the heme iron content found in red meat. Also, I think you’re severely underestimating the benefit of carbohydrates in the diet. Glycogen through carbs is so essential, especially for brain and muscular health.

Yes i've heard of SHBG increasing with high intake of meat, again, i feel much better now and have far better erections and libido, thanks for the advice though, i probably will get my bloodwork checked in the future, but i couldn't be bothered about it right now

Cognitively i am performing better but not really because of the meat itself, its something more specific, i started eating brain and eyes, i suppose it has to do with the DHA, slayed the tests required to get into Mathematical Engineering in a top uni, i have more mental clarity and better problem solving speed, at least in math.

Getting red and near infrared light frequencies have also helped, i like to get sun exposure in the morning and afternoon, from what i understand they penetrate the retina (and the skull but this one i am not so sure about) and access your mitochondria to interact with your electron transport chain, removing nitric oxide waste and restoring the flow of electrons increasing adenosine triphosphate production

Id like to explain better but english isn't my native language and when it comes to scientific terminology i am lost

 

[cattboy]

I hear this argument a lot, but people fail to realize majority of people who aren’t vegan, so meat eaters, have nutrient deficiencies as well. A good planned vegan diet, with supplementation if unable to get entirely through diet, should be healthier than a diet including meat and animal products due to lower saturated fat consumption and others factors like fiber intake etc.

again fiber isnt essential. and thats just epidemiology. no observation just shitty anecdotes.

its common knowledge that muscle meat contains everything you need and vegetables dont. pair it with some carbs and thats good. why eat something like spinach thats just oxalate heaven?????

 

[Zenyata]

Do people genuinely have any evidence besides anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims for why veganism is bad? If so, please present evidence other than “goy” and lowIQ insults.

Some nutrients like taurine are beneficial according to studies and aren t in a vegan diet. You heard them "50 micro nutrients..." . They re not essential though. Maybe the other nutrients are obtainable but unless you meassure each one out and know your absorption rate of certain plant vitamin forms (mostly genetic) or have regular blood tests you won t know. It s a huge effort for certainly no benefit to yourself. I hate the idea of having a carb filled diet which veganism will certainly lead to esepcially for rest days and generally for people who don t move much. I admit I cause harm to animals kill them... . Also I hate cooking I don t wanna waste time. I d rather eat fruit yoghurt... . I m selfish and could care less about the animals.

 

[GoErOnFoids]

“My response when I have no response”

i dont care to write a long paragraph for such a STUPID thread

 

[ascendeay]

yes however i know by showing any sort of evidence it wont change your mind because ive debated people like you for years and it always ends in them just insulting.

fiber isnt essential… you should know this.

if you actually want to debate then i will.

Fiber is pretty essential considering it can lower your risks of multiple types of cancer. Here’s a study on over 3.5 million participants. PMID: 38011755.

I understand there are a lot of nutrients found in steak and organs, I never denied that. But there is a risk factor you haven’t addressed, which is the colorectal cancer risk. If you wanna learn on how it works and why heme iron increases your risk of this, which is found in meat, here’s a good study for that . PMID: 26779313

 

[ascendeay]

But why should people actually become vegan? Do you have any arguments for that?

Better for the environment and makes more ethical sense

 

[ascendeay]

U fucking retard this argument doesnt make any sense, you cant compare rape and murder with eating meat, give me an actual argument or shut ur nasty vegan mouth up fuckface

You clearly don’t understand the argument, it makes perfect sense. My claim is just because something’s been done for a long time, doesn’t make it morally right. For example, slavery, killing, rape, killing animals. All done for a long time, doesn’t make it morally right.

 

[ascendeay]

Some nutrients like taurine are beneficial according to studies and aren t in a vegan diet. You heard them "50 micro nutrients..." . They re not essential though. Maybe the other nutrients are obtainable but unless you meassure each one out and know your absorption rate of certain plant vitamin forms (mostly genetic) or have regular blood tests you won t know. It s a huge effort for certainly no benefit to yourself. I hate the idea of having a carb filled diet which veganism will certainly lead to esepcially for rest days and generally for people who don t move much. I admit I cause harm to animals kill them... . Also I hate cooking I don t wanna waste time. I d rather eat fruit yoghurt... . I m selfish and could care less about the animals.
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I like that last part where you said you’re selfish, because at least you’re being honest. Things like taurine are beneficial, but they are non essential. If you care about It, supplementation is fine. I supplement around 3 grams a day.

 

[ascendeay]

i dont care to write a long paragraph for such a STUPID thread

If you don’t know why and how veganism isn’t an option, then you are being close minded. It doesn’t take a lot of brain power to deduce that one out.

 

[khazarianmafia73]

Better for the environment and makes more ethical sense

JFL a couple niggas choosing to malnourish themselves isn’t gonna save the environment
If you want to save the environment, target those rich ass elite niggas who are pushing shit like veganism and eating the bugs on to the people, they have much more environmental impact
Ethical sense how? We are mammals too, we require eating other animals for sustenance, that’s how we evolved. In reality veganism is unethical because you’re going against biological design
And who tf gives a shit about ethics anyway this is looksmaxxing and Chad doesn’t give af about the ethical cost of his actions

 

[ascendeay]

JFL a couple niggas choosing to malnourish themselves isn’t gonna save the environment
If you want to save the environment, target those rich ass elite niggas who are pushing shit like veganism and eating the bugs on to the people, they have much more environmental impact
Ethical sense how? We are mammals too, we require eating other animals for sustenance, that’s how we evolved. In reality veganism is unethical because you’re going against biological design
And who tf gives a shit about ethics anyway this is looksmaxxing and Chad doesn’t give af about the ethical cost of his actions

Again, I don’t think you’ll malnourished yourself on a vegan diet if you prepare it well, just as any other diet. It is way more environmentally friendly, and all revolutions toward unethical situations start with the individual.

The rich elite people are pushing veganism, yet the government in particular with RFK Jr. in the US is promoting raw milk? Doesn’t make sense.

Just because we evolved doing something, doesn’t make it morally okay. This was the argument used for slave owners to continue the enslavement of Africans through principles like Social Darwinism. You can live a perfectly healthy life without meat, so how is it unethical by any standard?

I think Chad would be a kind, intelligent guy, who’s willing to be open minded.

 

[khazarianmafia73]

Again, I don’t think you’ll malnourished yourself on a vegan diet if you prepare it well, just as any other diet. It is way more environmentally friendly, and all revolutions toward unethical situations start with the individual.

Every single vegan who’s not malnourished and doesn’t look like a twig is either on roids or lying. How DO you prepare it well?

The rich elite people are pushing veganism, yet the government in particular with RFK Jr. in the US is promoting raw milk? Doesn’t make sense.

RFK Jr is controlled opposition JFL nigga got a worm in his brain
there are other governments besides the US btw, the (((UN))) and (((WEF))) especially still promote veganism

Just because we evolved doing something, doesn’t make it morally okay. This was the argument used for slave owners to continue the enslavement of Africans through principles like Social Darwinism.

Enslavement of Africans is not necessary for human sustanence

You can live a perfectly healthy life without meat, so how is it unethical by any standard?

Wrong yes you’ll live but you won’t be healthy at all

I think Chad would be a kind, intelligent guy, who’s willing to be open minded.

bluepill mentality