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This thread will explain to you why vegetables arent healthy, optimal, beneficial and necessary
I will cover:
- Common Misconceptions
- What makes them unhealthy
- Why they arent necessary
- Etc.
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- "Vegetables are needed for fiber"
Truth: Fiber isnt essential, its not even a nutrient, its an antinutrient that blocks absorption of vitamins and minerals. Fiber is an indigestible part of plant, why would humans need something indigestible in their diet??
- "Vegetables are nutrient dense"
Truth: They lack alot of nutrition, they have some vitamin C, E, B9, K1 and some trace vitamin Bs, they lack (A, B6, B12, D3, K2, creatine, carnitine, taurine, carnosine, cholesterol, CLA, heme iron, CoQ10, Omega-3 DHA & EPA). There isnt a single nutrient your body needs from vegetables that it cant get from meat.
- "They help with constipation"
Truth: They dont, they irritate the gut and are indigestible, in controlled trials there has been shown that when fiber is taken out of a diet, digestive issues gone away.
- "You need them for good microbiome"
Truth: Never. Inuit have 0 fiber in their diet and their microbiome is great.
- "They are full of antioxidants"
Truth: The so called "antioxidants" from vegetables behave as prooxidants in the human body, never essential or beneficial
- "They lower sugar absorption"
Truth: They lower absorption of everything, and why would you eat something that u wanna absorb less of??
Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms - PMC
AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation. METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Gut Microbiome of the Canadian Arctic Inuit | mSphere
Non-Western populations have been shown to have distinct gut microbial communities shaped by traditional diets. The hitherto-uncharacterized microbiome of the Inuit may help us to better understand health risks specific to this population such as ...
- Full of antinutrients (oxalates, phytates, lectins, tannins, goitrogens, trypsin inhibitors) but what do each of them do??
Phytic acid: Found in alot of vegetables, lower absorption of vitamins and minerals
Oxalates: Found mostly in leafy greens, they bind mostly to calcium, 80% of kidney stones are calcium-oxalate stones
Lectins: Found in legumes, may contribute to autoimmune disorder and block mineral absorption
Tannins: Mostly just bind to iron and reduce the absorption of it
Goitrogens: Found in brussel sprouts, broccoli, etc. They mess up your thyroid and cause iodine deficiency. (Dangerous during development)
Trypsin Inhibitors: Inhibit protein absorption and protein quality
There are alot more of these antinutrients, these are the main ones
- Fiber, its also an antinutrient it self, as i already mentioned it lowers the absorption of nutrients and minerals, contribute to digestive issues etc.
- They contain pesticides, nitrates and heavy metals. Pesticides mess with your hormones and heavy metals bind to enzymes and protein
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- Common BS parents, doctors etc. tell you "Oh the body needs it" but when you asked then why they dont have no proof. They might rant about "oh u need the fiber" but fiber is never necessary, its actually better if you eat less/0. There arent many studies about fiber but im gonna link here the best one here. They will also probably say that they are nutrient dense, we know its not, they are more so nutrient deficient they lack alot of nutrition.
Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms - PMC
AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation. METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Vitamin C
No Carbs read below
- If you follow a primal diet, you dont need to worry much about vitamin C, but why? Primal diet doesnt have any carbs(only lactose from milk) and for the average person who eats carbs gets alot of glucose which competes with vitamin C for the GLUT transporters(mainly GLUT1) Its called Glucose-Ascorbate Antagonism. The vitamin C you need is very low due to not eating carbs, you have low oxidative stress which lessens the need for it, you have lower insulin which helps the vitamin C recycle better, and its use for collagen you get alot from meat. Muscle meat does contain vitamin C, so does milk and alot of C is in liver, so dont worry you will be okay. YOU WONT GET SCURVY
Carb eaters read below
- If you consume carbs in your diet, then get it from fruits rather then vegetables. Fruits have more of the vitamin C and fruits have generaly lower amounts of antinutrients. Also vegetables tastes like shit just eat the fruit.
Other vitamins and minerals you may be "deficient in"
// IMPORTANT NOTE: RDAs are calculated by an average person, which means if you follow a good diet, your body is different, so you shouldnt be guided by RDAs
No Carbs read below
- If you follow a primal diet, RDAs might say you are deficient in these. (Vitamin B1, D2, K1, E, magnesium, manganese)
- B1: You wont be deficient but may "lack" it by RDAs. Main function of B1 is converting carbs into energy, so if you follow a 0/low carb diet, you dont need same amount as average person does. You will get more then enough to use other functions of B1, no need to worry
- D2: You get more then enough D3. D3 is in every single way superior to D2. No need to worry
- K1: Same as D2 and D3 is K1 and K2. K2 is just superior
- E: Main function of vitamin E is antioxidant defense, protects your cells against oxidative stress. Guess what, you have nothing in your diet to cause oxidative stress, you dont need the RDA value of this. Also you get alot from butter
- Magnesium: Even by RDAs you arent deficient in this you just dont have enough, or do you? Again, you need less then average person, due to magnesium converts carbs to energy and antioxidant defense. You get enough of magnesium for its other uses.
- Manganese: Again, turns carbs into energy and antioxidant defenses, if you eat some liver a day you will have enough for other manganese uses
Carb eaters read below
- Repeating this again, replace vegetables with fruit, that simple.
4. Optional Guidance
// If you just replace it with fruit and dont live with your parents, you dont need to read this
- It definitetly is hard to convice your parents that vegetables arent healthy and you dont want to eat them. What you can do is eat pseudo vegetables.
- But what are pseudo vegetables?
Pseudo vegetables: Pseudo vegetables are fruits, which people think are vegetables. If your parents insist on you eating vegetables, here are some recommendations.
1. Avocado
- Avocado is a fruit with low carbohydrate content, it isnt nutrient dense, but isnt harmful alot. Only problem IMO with avocado if the high amounts of Omega-6, otherwise its the best pseudo vegetables. For nutrition it has some vitamin E , B9 and K1. They contain moderate amount of oxalates.
2. Tomato
- Tomatoes are also fruit, its more common known tho. Again they are low carb fruit, they have some B9 and K1. They contain a moderate amount of oxalates, but still its a healthy fruit compared to other vegetables.
3. Cucumber
- Cucumbers are low carb fruit, they are mostly water and contain some K1 and trace amounts of some B vitamins. Low amount of oxalates.
Honorable Mention: Carrot
- This isnt a pseudo vegetable, its a actual vegetable but id say they only harm to a moderate amount. They have mainly Beta-Carotene, which could help you "imitate" tanned skin, and some K1 and trace B vitamins. Nothing burger vegetable.
Cooking vegetables
- If you are strapped to a chair and absolutely are forced to eat them, at least cook them to death. By cooking you reduce some nutrition thats true, but you also lose alot of the antinutrients. This is a last resort, doesnt help as much as not eating them at all.
TLDR: Vegetables are full of antinutrients that lessens the absorption of micronutrients, if you can replace them with fruits. They arent necessary, healthy, optimal, have little nutrition, never eat them. If you would be absolutely forced to eat them, cook them first.
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