What "forward growth" actually means for you retards that don't get it

[Deleted member 23391]

You idiotic mewcels need to understand that true forward growth is when THE ENTIRE FACE IS FORWARD GROWN AND PROJECTED, not just the alveolar process. The nasal bone, the orbits, the zygoma, everything is forward projecting.

The alveolar process jutting out compared to the upper midface isn't some aesthetic ideal to strive for. It is a hideous condition known as prognathism. It is NOT ideal for only THIS area to be "forward grown":

In a way you would be fortunate if you had a recessed alveolar process instead of a recessed upper midface (almost unfixable). This is the easiest thing to change, just get LF1.

 

[Deleted member 45672]

why bimaxcel doesn't have the same chin than natty chad ?

 

[Deleted member 23391]

why bimaxcel doesn't have the same chin than natty chad ?

Because he had a 7mm genioplasty and there's a sharp step-off and the bone is pointy

 

[Deleted member 45672]

Because he had a 7mm genioplasty and there's a sharp step-off and the bone is pointy

im literally bimaxcel ...

 

[mvp2v1]

True but there also seems to be a vertical component. Look at my CT scan of skull:
I drew 3 red lines showing how the right side of my face (left side on scan) is less vertically grown. BTW the left side of my palate (more verticaly grown side) is narrower.

My face is basically like a twin experiment showing the effect of vertical growth on the skull. Lets say my whole face was as vertically grown as the bad side, lefort 3 would not save me. it would move things forward but it would fail to address the vertical.

 

[Feliezzx]

You idiotic mewcels need to understand that true forward growth is when THE ENTIRE FACE IS FORWARD GROWN AND PROJECTED, not just the alveolar process. The nasal bone, the orbits, the zygoma, everything is forward projecting.

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The alveolar process jutting out compared to the upper midface isn't some aesthetic ideal to strive for. It is a hideous condition known as prognathism. It is NOT ideal for only THIS area to be "forward grown":

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In a way you would be fortunate if you had a recessed alveolar process instead of a recessed upper midface (almost unfixable). This is the easiest thing to change, just get LF1.

Show picture examples not some retarded drawing

 

[mvp2v1]

Show picture examples not some retarded drawing

img is RAMPA (Japenese orthotropics)

 

[Feliezzx]

img is RAMPA (Japenese orthotropics)

The first is natural chad I assume?

 

[12PSLsubhuman]

Inframalars would help for upper midface to some extent for non-Asians tbh. But yah not as good as forward grown one

 

[mvp2v1]

The first is natural chad I assume?

there has already been tons of natural chads lol.

 

[Feliezzx]

there has already been tons of natural chads lol.

In the image-

 

[mvp2v1]

In the image-

I cant read japenese, so im not sure. I take it as a before and after.

 

[Feliezzx]

Are you dumb? I asked for images with the difference between a projected alveolar process and proper forward growth? the fuck are you rambling about

 

[Deleted member 23558]

True but there also seems to be a vertical component. Look at my CT scan of skull:
I drew 3 red lines showing how the right side of my face (left side on scan) is less vertically grown. BTW the left side of my palate (more verticaly grown side) is narrower.

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My face is basically like a twin experiment showing the effect of vertical growth on the skull. Lets say my whole face was as vertically grown as the bad side, lefort 3 would not save me. it would move things forward but it would fail to address the vertical.

just give up and start smoking cigarettes and reading Japanese literature

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Do you find the frankfurt plane to be a good method of measuring forward growth?

 

[ElTruecel]

Show picture examples not some retarded drawing

 

[Allornothing]

This applies to very few people. Most people with mouth protrusion have forward grown maxillas.

 

[Feliezzx]

This applies to very few people. Most people with mouth protrusion have forward grown maxillas.

exactly, wtf is op talking about?

 

[mvp2v1]

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Not everyone has the genetics for this style forward growth. Look at the average Africans side profile.

 

[brutalmog]

You idiotic mewcels need to understand that true forward growth is when THE ENTIRE FACE IS FORWARD GROWN AND PROJECTED, not just the alveolar process. The nasal bone, the orbits, the zygoma, everything is forward projecting.

View attachment 2576324

The alveolar process jutting out compared to the upper midface isn't some aesthetic ideal to strive for. It is a hideous condition known as prognathism. It is NOT ideal for only THIS area to be "forward grown":

View attachment 2576327

In a way you would be fortunate if you had a recessed alveolar process instead of a recessed upper midface (almost unfixable). This is the easiest thing to change, just get LF1.

is 1.875 good?

 

[Deleted member 32514]

You idiotic mewcels need to understand that true forward growth is when THE ENTIRE FACE IS FORWARD GROWN AND PROJECTED, not just the alveolar process. The nasal bone, the orbits, the zygoma, everything is forward projecting.

View attachment 2576324

The alveolar process jutting out compared to the upper midface isn't some aesthetic ideal to strive for. It is a hideous condition known as prognathism. It is NOT ideal for only THIS area to be "forward grown":

View attachment 2576327

In a way you would be fortunate if you had a recessed alveolar process instead of a recessed upper midface (almost unfixable). This is the easiest thing to change, just get LF1.

I have really good forward growth in all my face except for the area u high lighted. Should I get LF1 or just don't bother

 

[Deleted member 41006]

Not everyone has the genetics for this style forward growth. Look at the average Africans side profile.

yo are you still alive jfl

 

[HerpDerpson]

I cant read japenese, so im not sure. I take it as a before and after.

It calls the right part downward growth and the right part UPWARDS growth. Damn, that must be even better than forward!

 

[Whatashame]

 

[Skywalker]

You idiotic mewcels need to understand that true forward growth is when THE ENTIRE FACE IS FORWARD GROWN AND PROJECTED, not just the alveolar process. The nasal bone, the orbits, the zygoma, everything is forward projecting.

View attachment 2576324

The alveolar process jutting out compared to the upper midface isn't some aesthetic ideal to strive for. It is a hideous condition known as prognathism. It is NOT ideal for only THIS area to be "forward grown":

View attachment 2576327

In a way you would be fortunate if you had a recessed alveolar process instead of a recessed upper midface (almost unfixable). This is the easiest thing to change, just get LF1.

too much autism= pointy elbows syndrome where you notice EVERY single minor flaw
you need to just fix your FAILIOS and most likely youd be good
LF1/ bimax REALLY fixes most people's pbs trust....you dont need to invest in obscure surgeries or waste time

 

[hansmoleman]

too much autism= pointy elbows syndrome where you notice EVERY single minor flaw
you need to just fix your FAILIOS and most likely youd be good
LF1/ bimax REALLY fixes most people's pbs trust....you dont need to invest in obscure surgeries or waste time

Yes but OP has a point. The issue is not getting bimax, but getting too much advancement if the rest of the face doesn’t support it. And CCW doesn’t make this issue go away.

For my bimax I’ll be getting very minimal advancement in the LF1 area for this very reason. Then get as much as BSSO as possible given the constraints.

 

[Deleted member 48936]

The alveolar process

You idiotic mewcels need to understand that true forward growth is when THE ENTIRE FACE IS FORWARD GROWN AND PROJECTED, not just the alveolar process. The nasal bone, the orbits, the zygoma, everything is forward projecting.

View attachment 2576324

The alveolar process jutting out compared to the upper midface isn't some aesthetic ideal to strive for. It is a hideous condition known as prognathism. It is NOT ideal for only THIS area to be "forward grown":

View attachment 2576327

In a way you would be fortunate if you had a recessed alveolar process instead of a recessed upper midface (almost unfixable). This is the easiest thing to change, just get LF1.

what is this alveolar process, I dont have recessed maxilla but front part of my maxilla isnt fully forward grown? its like front of my maxilla is recessed, i just turned 17 and fixed my sleeping schedule and noticed that i m mewing unconsciously all the time, will this fix this forward recession ? ( i do have good genetics with features height and frame only this is holding me back)

 

[greycel]

This applies to very few people. Most people with mouth protrusion have forward grown maxillas.

Is this proclination of upper teeth providing that concave philtrum.
So you are essentially saying the greater the angle, the more likely it is they are forward grown?

Fuck it's over. When I was a baby and my entire life, I had one of the furthest mouth protrusions I've ever seen, but then I got premolar extractions and braces, and continued mouthbreathing from a baby till I turned like 17.
Now I'm very heavily downgrown, but the growth that I experienced is likely still there, just in the wrong direction, facing down?

Most people also develop a concave philtrum after orthodontics, but mine is still luckily convex..

I look like a caricature, with polar opposite good and terrible traits. I must look very uncanny to others

So maybe it causes a tall maxilla, rather than a forward grown maxilla? And whether it is forward grown or not depends on those factors such as environment.