What is the cause of my long face?

[Jesus_ist_König]

fwhr = 1,64 the ideal is +1,8
bizygomatic to bigonial width = around 2.3 the ideal is around 1,35 !!!!!!
Ideals r based on the botb thread (https://looksmax.org/threads/ideal-facial-ratios-and-proportions.57266/)

So I want to know what is causing my extremly long face? One guy (@hye732 ) said that the fwhr has nothing to do with my mandible. This may be partly true but the bizygomatic to bigonial width clearly shows the lack of lateral length of my mandible. So I think that clearly my mandible is way to narrow but I dont know if my maxilla is also to narrow?
@Orka @estonianslayerr

 

[Orka]

fwhr = 1,64

Same here

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@hye732 ) said that the fwhr has nothing to do with my mandible.

well it's usually because you're downgrown, so your mandible will hang lower, you'll have a worse gonial angle, you'll have a flatter maxilla etc.

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Same here

well it's usually because you're downgrown, so your mandible will hang lower, you'll have a worse gonial angle, you'll have a flatter maxilla etc.

so what is the root of the problem or what is the problem?
1. Narrow mandible
2. Narrow maxilla?

 

[Orka]

so what is the root of the problem or what is the problem?
1. Narrow mandible
2. Narrow maxilla?

The root is your maxilla, it developed downwards

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

The root is your maxilla, it developed downwards

So its not that it is recessed (it aint im pretty sure and hope) its the angle and the rotation?

 

[Orka]

So its not that it is recessed (it aint im pretty sure and hope) its the angle and the rotation?

This sums up my point pretty well. the start has a longer midface, the end has a shorter one, note the angle of the jaw, maxilla, everything really

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

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This sums up my point pretty well. the start has a longer midface, the end has a shorter one, note the angle of the jaw, maxilla, everything really

Okay so problem:
1. Maxilla has a bad angle
2. Mandible to narrow

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

@Orka what can I do to fix the problem? and also would getting a wider maxilla help? I think no cuz my bizygomatic to bigonial width is showing that my maxilla is a lot wider than my mandible

 

[Orka]

@Orka what can I do to fix the problem? and also would getting a wider maxilla help? I think no cuz my bizygomatic to bigonial width is showing that my maxilla is a lot wider than my mandible

I'm getting a lip lift or DIYing a lip flip for my philtrum, then getting rhino to make my nose appear slimmer / less bulbous, that's all I'm able to do for my midface unfortunately.

Wider maxilla won't help with your midface either

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

I'm getting a lip lift or DIYing a lip flip for my philtrum, then getting rhino to make my nose appear slimmer / less bulbous, that's all I'm able to do for my midface unfortunately.

Wider maxilla won't help with your midface either

I have a good chin to philtrum ratio. I think it’s then only my narrow mandible. I think the maxilla is fine, since mine is not recessed.

 

[bjebb007]

mouth breathing, probably not chewing on hard foods or nutrition/development issues in childhood, posture

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

mouth breathing, probably not chewing on hard foods or nutrition/development issues in childhood, posture

Ur bones ossify at the age of around 1 year old. It’s not mouth breathing or not mewing