What surgeries should I get for my bone structure? (19M)

[Adamsmith12345]

I feel like something is off with my bone structure, but I can't quite pinpoint it. Either my zygos are too low-set and wide, or my lower jaw is recessed due to underbite, or my jaw is too wide. Ignore the facial features for now; I have already decided upon getting rhinoplasty & m-shape lip surgery and/or lip lift.

Someone has suggested genioplasty, but I feel like my chin is already protruding, and that would make my chin too big. On the other hand, I have a long midface, so I'm afraid of making my face too long by fixing overbite.

Can a knowledgeable user suggest surgeries for my facial bones?

The zygo reduction surgeries mentioned in this thread would help me, but they are highly experimental:

It's possible to change zygo's shape and placement?

Never seen this asked before so I've opened this thread. Let's say you have zygos shaped like Johnny Depp or Jon Kortajarena: But you would like to have them be more "straight" shaped (higher set?), like this morphs: Those differences are also found on women too, let's look at Phoebe...

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Pic 2:

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[Sean o' Tist]

Pics not avalible faggot

 

[Deleted member 46941]

Come on man, you could have simply uploaded the photos

 

[Willmogulater]

List of Surgeries :
EPPELY ShotGun Implants

 

[Adamsmith12345]

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[Adamsmith12345]

I'm thinking masseter reduction + rhinoplasty + maybe genioplasty

 

[perpetuallytired]

I feel like something is off with my bone structure, but I can't quite pinpoint it. Either my zygos are too low-set and wide, or my lower jaw is recessed due to underbite, or my jaw is too wide. Ignore the facial features for now; I have already decided upon getting rhinoplasty & m-shape lip surgery and/or lip lift.

Someone has suggested genioplasty, but I feel like my chin is already protruding, and that would make my chin too big. On the other hand, I have a long midface, so I'm afraid of making my face too long by fixing overbite.

Can a knowledgeable user suggest surgeries for my facial bones?

The zygo reduction surgeries mentioned in this thread would help me, but they are highly experimental:

It's possible to change zygo's shape and placement?

Never seen this asked before so I've opened this thread. Let's say you have zygos shaped like Johnny Depp or Jon Kortajarena: But you would like to have them be more "straight" shaped (higher set?), like this morphs: Those differences are also found on women too, let's look at Phoebe...

looksmax.org

Pic 1:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1257437984853069897/1257437985805172868/IMG_20240701_160603692.webp?ex=668467e1&is=66831661&hm=7e1eb4b61cc47dba08cc0b20188d209426d593fddab9920f974aa4d185667ab3&=&format=webp

Pic 2:

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Pic 3:

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How have you been here since 2022 and you don't know what surgeries to get?

 

[LeaveMaxx]

Custom peek malar implants with pagnoni maybe

 

[Adamsmith12345]

Custom peek malar implants with pagnoni maybe

Is this to distract from the long midface

 

[ItsOver999]

I feel like your maxilla is too forward. Could just be illusion. Either too forward maxilla is causing long midface or long midface making me think ur maxilla too forward or neither etc

Im
Not gonna think too long about it tho have a nice day

 

[Adamsmith12345]

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[bugbug]

Those pictures are not good, upload better ones using standard angles and good lightning.

You should also fix your hair (just get a middle part) and skin to better gauge your base before surgeries.

Where do you live? People here will probably say your long midface is your main problem, but I think that's actually not a big deal in East Asia.

 

[Adamsmith12345]

Those pictures are not good, upload better ones using standard angles and good lightning.

You should also fix your hair (just get a middle part) and skin to better gauge your base before surgeries.

Where do you live? People here will probably say your long midface is your main problem, but I think that's actually not a big deal in East Asia.

I live in the USA, but I don't really have interest in white girls. I plan to geomaxx in the future.

I just can't exactly pinpoint the problem, I look uncanny AF, even to myself, and different failos stand out to me at different times of the day.

 

[bugbug]

I live in the USA, but I don't really have interest in white girls. I plan to geomaxx in the future.

I just can't exactly pinpoint the problem, I look uncanny AF, even to myself, and different failos stand out to me at different times of the day.

I think your eye area is decent but a double eyelid surgery would improve it considerably.

I'd say your biggest failo by far is your philtrum and lip area (cover it and you instantly look better), but I'm not sure exactly what the problems are or what procedures could help, and it's hard to judge without a side profile.

Also, I'm not sure whether your wide jaw is actually a good thing for your pheno. Combined with your prominent cheekbones, it gives you dramatic hollow cheeks that I think are not really favored over there. For example look at this before/after:

 

[Adamsmith12345]

I think your eye area is decent but a double eyelid surgery would improve it considerably.

I'd say your biggest failo by far is your philtrum and lip area (cover it and you instantly look better), but I'm not sure exactly what the problems are or what procedures could help, and it's hard to judge without a side profile.

Also, I'm not sure whether your wide jaw is actually a good thing for your pheno. Combined with your prominent cheekbones, it gives you dramatic hollow cheeks that I think are not really favored over there. For example look at this before/after:

Thanks for this analysis. Here is my side profile btw

 

[bugbug]

Thanks for this analysis. Here is my side profile btw

Your mandible seems recessed compared to your maxilla. Do you have a class II bite with overjet? Maybe that's why your lips look weird from the front. Maybe you'd benefit from bimax, but I don't think you need too much advancement.

 

[Adamsmith12345]

Your mandible seems recessed compared to your maxilla. Do you have a class II bite with overjet? Maybe that's why your lips look weird from the front. Maybe you'd benefit from bimax, but I don't think you need too much advancement.

Yes, I have an overbite. From my understanding, bimax advances maxilla and not mandible, so wouldn't it be better to get ccw rotation for mandible or genio, since my maxilla already protrudes?

 

[bugbug]

Yes, I have an overbite. From my understanding, bimax advances maxilla and not mandible, so wouldn't it be better to get ccw rotation for mandible, since my maxilla already protrudes?

Bimax just means orthognatic bimaxillary surgery, not necessarily for advancement. You are right your maxilla shouldn't be advanced, but depending on the mandible movements, you might need LF1 anyway to reposition the maxilla too. I recommend you to book consultations with several maxillofacial surgeons and compare their opinions.

Be warned though, bimax is a serious and expensive procedure.

 

[kingofkings]

I mean no disrespect - your pics give off a major creepy vibe.

Anyway.

Your biggest problem is the very long midface which is hard to fix.

I've done a quick morph to show what you would look like with identical jaw, eyes, nose etc and just a shorter midface.

 

[anticel]

Yes, I have an overbite. From my understanding, bimax advances maxilla and not mandible, so wouldn't it be better to get ccw rotation for mandible or genio, since my maxilla already protrudes?

it advances both since bimax is lefort1+bsso

bimax w ccw and genio and you might actually look really good.

 

[Adamsmith12345]

I mean no disrespect - your pics give off a major creepy vibe.

Can probably be fixed with blepharoplasty+lip lift to reduce philtrum

 

[Adamsmith12345]

it advances both since bimax is lefort1+bsso

bimax w ccw and genio and you might actually look really good.

Would this fix philtrum to chin ratio?

 

[ferfdd]

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moggs me tbh

 

[PrimoMaxxer]

double eyelid surgery and epicanthoplasty.

 

[anticel]

Would this fix philtrum to chin ratio?

yes

 

[Dendoni]

I'd suggest you get stronger eyebrows, thicker nose, wavier longer hair and beard if it looks better for you

I think that getting 'kpop' looks or cuter look doesn't suit you and would cost a lot of money and pain for surgeries, and you might even end up looking uncanny

 

[Adamsmith12345]

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I'd suggest you get stronger eyebrows, thicker nose, wavier longer hair and beard if it looks better for you

I think that getting 'kpop' looks or cuter look doesn't suit you and would cost a lot of money and pain for surgeries, and you might even end up looking uncanny

Samurai maxxing

 

[Dendoni]

Samurai maxxing

Yeah, but still looking better than now and easier to do, necktraining + beardmaxcing

 

[Adamsmith12345]

Yeah, but still looking better than now and easier to do, necktraining + beardmaxcing

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No offense but i completely reject these suggestions. Eww

 

[Dendoni]

No offense but i completely reject these suggestions. Eww

What easthetics are you going for? Because getting ratio change, as shorter midface or eye distance look easy on the morph, but nearly impossible in real life

To get slightly shorter midface, you would have to get braces for 1-2 years (if your teeth position is bad), get lefort 1 + double jaw surgery with ccw rotation, rhinoplasty to make nose LOOK smaller (not be smaller), lip lift to make philtrum smaller

It will be pain and a lot of money, maybe 100.000+$ and very hard to even find surgeon

And you may end up looking even worse at the end of it

So what is it that you seek? What would you like to look like?

Because at least what i think is that those 4 morphs i did are the best results you can get, and you wouldn't even need to go to surgery

 

[Adamsmith12345]

What easthetics are you going for? Because getting ratio change, as shorter midface or eye distance look easy on the morph, but nearly impossible in real life

To get slightly shorter midface, you would have to get braces for 1-2 years (if your teeth position is bad), get lefort 1 + double jaw surgery with ccw rotation, rhinoplasty to make nose LOOK smaller (not be smaller), lip lift to make philtrum smaller

It will be pain and a lot of money, maybe 100.000+$ and very hard to even find surgeon

And you may end up looking even worse at the end of it

So what is it that you seek? What would you like to look like?

Because at least what i think is that those 4 morphs i did are the best results you can get, and you wouldn't even need to go to surgery

Tbh all I want to do is reduce my dimorphism while not making harmony even worse. I absolutely hate looking super masculine

 

[Dendoni]

Tbh all I want to do is reduce my dimorphism while not making harmony even worse. I absolutely hate looking super masculine

Can you show some image that you would like to look like it?

 

[anticel]

What easthetics are you going for? Because getting ratio change, as shorter midface or eye distance look easy on the morph, but nearly impossible in real life

To get slightly shorter midface, you would have to get braces for 1-2 years (if your teeth position is bad), get lefort 1 + double jaw surgery with ccw rotation, rhinoplasty to make nose LOOK smaller (not be smaller), lip lift to make philtrum smaller

It will be pain and a lot of money, maybe 100.000+$ and very hard to even find surgeon

And you may end up looking even worse at the end of it

So what is it that you seek? What would you like to look like?

Because at least what i think is that those 4 morphs i did are the best results you can get, and you wouldn't even need to go to surgery

bro what, that costs like 30-40k in European countries, even less in turkey etc.

 

[Dendoni]

bro what, that costs like 30-40k in European countries, even less in turkey etc.

Just LOL if you consider turkey...

So what is your goal? How would you like to look like after all the maxxing? You must have some vision, you can send it and i can tell you if it's realistic

 

[Adamsmith12345]

What easthetics are you going for? Because getting ratio change, as shorter midface or eye distance look easy on the morph, but nearly impossible in real life

To get slightly shorter midface, you would have to get braces for 1-2 years (if your teeth position is bad), get lefort 1 + double jaw surgery with ccw rotation, rhinoplasty to make nose LOOK smaller (not be smaller), lip lift to make philtrum smaller

It will be pain and a lot of money, maybe 100.000+$ and very hard to even find surgeon

And you may end up looking even worse at the end of it

So what is it that you seek? What would you like to look like?

Because at least what i think is that those 4 morphs i did are the best results you can get, and you wouldn't even need to go to surgery

fuck it. im going to get all of the surgeries you listed, including LF1 + CCW rotation. Life is about action, the journey is the destination, so it really doesn't matter if it makes me look worse in the end. It's absolutely a curse to be born with such a subhuman midface length, but not doing anything about it is even worse.

Anyways, my concrete goal would be getting to a 0.93-0.94 midface ratio. However, I cannot show pics of my goal in a public thread, cuz they are of people i know IRL. I will send you a DM

How have you been here since 2022 and you don't know what surgeries to get?

i have an idea but just no money

double eyelid surgery and epicanthoplasty.

BTW thanks for this suggestion. Im about to go to korea for these eye surgeries in 2 weeks

 

[lurking truecel]

fuck it. im going to do all of the surgeries you listed, including LF1 + CCW rotation. Life is about action, the journey is the destination, so it really doesn't matter if it makes me look worse in the end. It's absolutely a curse to be born with such a subhuman midface length, but not doing anything about it is even worse.

All or nothing right

 

[AforB]

What easthetics are you going for? Because getting ratio change, as shorter midface or eye distance look easy on the morph, but nearly impossible in real life

To get slightly shorter midface, you would have to get braces for 1-2 years (if your teeth position is bad), get lefort 1 + double jaw surgery with ccw rotation, rhinoplasty to make nose LOOK smaller (not be smaller), lip lift to make philtrum smaller

It will be pain and a lot of money, maybe 100.000+$ and very hard to even find surgeon

And you may end up looking even worse at the end of it

So what is it that you seek? What would you like to look like?

Because at least what i think is that those 4 morphs i did are the best results you can get, and you wouldn't even need to go to surgery

what you mentioned won't be close to a 100k