Why isn't Lefort 2 mentioned enough?

[Deleted member 18849]

With Lefort 1 a recessed face (not just jaw) will get an almost next to nothing eye area improvement, and maybe a midface length reduction other than upper jaw forward growth. If only that lower part of the maxilla is receeded lefort 1 will help, but if your undereye support is crap, and your midface is recessed MF + infra implants copes will mask the problem not fix it.

This guy gave 20k $ for a bimax, after:

Subhuman face before and after Lefort 2:

Maybe high cut Lefort 1 + paranasal implant + ZSO/something for the eyes (+ BSSO, genio) could come close.

Is it that it's (Lf2) such a risky surgery and most surgeons won't offer it for cosmetic reasons or what?

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@Acromegaly_Chad @one job away @Preston @Zenturio @alienmaxxer @SendMePicsToRate @subhuman incel @WannaBeA6 @Lorsss

 

[MoggerGaston]

extremely risky surgery generally only done on deformed people. Not on normies trying to look like chad.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

extremely risky surgery generally only done on deformed people. Not on normies trying to look like chad.

This- not many surgeons are gonna do it on a normie trying to ascend


Lefort 2 is really a lot more extreme than lefort 1

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Lefort 2 is basically not offered to anyone non deformed so pointless pretty much

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Lefort 2 is basically not offered to anyone non deformed so pointless pretty much

I hear some big walleted fags got it for cosmetic reasons - jaw surgery forums. Maybe they were lying, I don't know.

But as a procedure in general it's much rarer and more invasive. Osteotomies > implants pill again.

 

[FreakkForLife]

I hear some big walleted fags got it for cosmetic reasons - jaw surgery forums. Maybe they were lying, I don't know.

But as a procedure in general it's much rarer and more invasive. Osteotomies > implants pill again.

And what about lefort 3,can normies get it?

Lefort 2 is basically not offered to anyone non deformed so pointless pretty much

 

[KDA Player]

Lefort 5 mogs

 

[Deleted member 17244]

And what about lefort 3,can normies get it?

better get chad head transplant

 

[CursedOne]

Dr. A. said that he will do lefort 2 even on non deformed people. If you really want the surgery, you know where to go

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

imagine this nigga's life before after

 

[CursedOne]

imagine this nigga's life before after

Hell on earth

 

[Moldovancel]

imagine this nigga's life before after

Wondering if these people reproduce. Like, the children are gonna have the same deformity even though he fixed his face

 

[Deleted member 16058]

more importantly is that every east/southeast asian needs one + browridge implants

cant fix pan face otherwise

 

[Deleted member 16058]

Wondering if these people reproduce. Like, the children are gonna have the same deformity even though he fixed his face

if he's not dumb he will put his children on facepuller devices since young age

you can certainly influence your sons development if you're not a lazy unloving cunt

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Is it that it's (Lf2) such a risky surgery and most surgeons won't offer it for cosmetic reasons or what?

Spoiler: T

@Acromegaly_Chad @one job away @Preston @Zenturio @alienmaxxer @SendMePicsToRate @subhuman incel @WannaBeA6 @Lorsss

I made a post about this exact topic a while ago. Lefort 2 is a rare specialty surgery that is for people with serious deformities. I agree that it has great potential for looksmaxing, but I don't think I've ever seen it used as an elective surgery. I've only ever seen before/afters of Lefort 2 for seriously deformed people, and even then, there seems to only be a few on the internet.

 

[FreakkForLife]

Dr. A. said that he will do lefort 2 even on non deformed people. If you really want the surgery, you know where to go

Who is Dr.A?

 

[444]

Who is Dr.A?

Andrey Andreishchev, he is in Saint Petersburg Russia

 

[FreakkForLife]

Andrey Andreishchev, he is in Saint Petersburg Russia

Thnx.
Do u know about modified"french split" bsso?
@russiancel
@Acromegaly_Chad

@RealSurgerymax recommended it for getting a longer ramus,but i can't find any info on it

 

[Deleted member 18849]

And what about lefort 3,can normies get it?

Doubt it. You'll be lucky if you find a trustworthy money hungry surgeon to do Lf2 to you.

But you can see that the most brutal, expensive surgeries help you ascend the most. This and double LL.

That was a severe case but imagine the typical forum 3.5/10 recessedcel getting this with proper bsso, genio and jaw implants and 4'' from the cross leg lengthening. Escape from LTN, not like some bimax crap that you can't recognize which is the before and the after that a surgeon post on instagram (which means they consider success!).

@Chinlet Ascension this one?

Good le fort 2 examples?

Does anyone have good examples of le fort 2 before/afters, especially done for aesthetic purposes? I have not seen a single good one. All of the examples I've seen are superdeformed people becoming less deformed.

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[Deleted member 17244]

Hipcel​

Stop coping​

 

[Deleted member 18849]

What about it @russiancel?

 

[FreakkForLife]

Doubt it. You'll be lucky if you find a trustworthy money hungry surgeon to do Lf2 to you.

But you can see that the most brutal, expensive surgeries help you ascend the most. This and double LL.

That was a severe case but imagine the typical forum 3.5/10 recessedcel getting this with proper bsso, genio and jaw implants and 4'' from the cross leg lengthening. Escape from LTN, not like some bimax crap that you can't recognize which is the before and the after that a surgeon post on instagram (which means they consider success!).

@Chinlet Ascension this one?

Good le fort 2 examples?

Does anyone have good examples of le fort 2 before/afters, especially done for aesthetic purposes? I have not seen a single good one. All of the examples I've seen are superdeformed people becoming less deformed.

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Hipcel,do u know about modified"french split" BSSO.
RealSurgeryMax recommended it for ramus lengthening, but i can't find any cases or info on it online

 

[incel194012940]

And what about lefort 3,can normies get it?

The “lefort 3s” that get reposted are mostly high cut lefort 1s

 

[FreakkForLife]

The “lefort 3s” that get reposted are mostly high cut lefort 1s

Is that quadrangular lefort 1?

I just want something to make my midface and nose a bit longer.
RealSurgeryMax recommended lefort 2 with downgraft for it

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Is that quadrangular lefort 1?

Yeah aka HC Lf1

 

[FreakkForLife]

Yeah aka HC Lf1

Do u know about French split bsso?

 

[incel194012940]

Is that quadrangular lefort 1?

I just want something to make my midface and nose a bit longer.
RealSurgeryMax recommended lefort 2 with downgraft for it

Yes, for a lot of them. Technically speaking as long as the actual eye orbital isn’t touched it’s a variation of a lefort I

 

[FreakkForLife]

Yes, for a lot of them. Technically speaking as long as the actual eye orbital isn’t touched it’s a variation of a lefort I

Can high cut lefort1 give me a longer nose and midface if i add a downgraft to high cut lefort?

 

[incel194012940]

Can high cut lefort1 give me a longer nose and midface if i add a downgraft to high cut lefort?

Yes, I’m not knowledgeable about downgrafting besides what Alfaro says

But the orbitals got no relation.

High class maxxing? Match with a tall chin and it mogs hard

 

[FreakkForLife]

II al

Yes, I’m not knowledgeable about downgrafting besides what Alfaro says

But the orbitals got no relation.

High class maxxing? Match with a tall chin and it mogs hard

I already have a semi tall chin from bonesmashing and i am smashing for more gains.
The thing is my midface and especially my nose caps my level to htn at best,and i would have to fix it to reach chad level.
My midface And nose are a bit shorter than ideal for my face,that's why i want to increase my midface and nose length.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Do u know about French split bsso?

No, but for lower third the best b4/after pic results I've seen are from IMDO, but like Lf2 good luck getting it.

Definitely the more you lengthen with BSSO the higher the risk of nerve damage. Now if you could do distraction osteogenesis lower jaw it would be optimal although more expensive, and for jaw width maybe chin wing? I've asked @Acromegaly_Chad multiple times for both he didn't answer.

 

[FreakkForLife]

Yes, I’m not knowledgeable about downgrafting besides what Alfaro says

But the orbitals got no relation.

High class maxxing? Match with a tall chin and it mogs hard

One thing I have learnt is that a tall chin can make ur lower third look longer than it actually is.
I am also looking into ramus lengthening,and RealSurgeryMax recommended "Modified french split bsso" for it,do u know anything about it?

 

[FreakkForLife]

No, but for lower third the best b4/after pic results I've seen are from IMDO, but like Lf2 good luck getting it.

Definitely the more you lengthen with BSSO the higher the risk of nerve damage. Now if you could do distraction osteogenesis lower jaw it would be optimal although more expensive, and for jaw width maybe chin wing? I've asked @Acromegaly_Chad multiple times for both he didn't answer.

Acromegaly Chad says chin wing destroys gonial angle,but i have seen @kota before and after he got chin wing but his gonial angle is intact in the after.

I don't want a longer mandible,just a longer ramus

 

[incel194012940]

One thing I have learnt is that a tall chin can make ur lower third look longer than it actually is.
I am also looking into ramus lengthening,and RealSurgeryMax recommended "Modified french split bsso" for it,do u know anything about it?

Sorry, never. Tbh I’m a conservative thinker with osteotomies I believe they should be reserved for treating recession

 

[Moldovancel]

Can high cut lefort1 give me a longer nose and midface if i add a downgraft to high cut lefort?

Why do you want a longer midface nigga? high fWHR is high T

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Dr. A. said that he will do lefort 2 even on non deformed people. If you really want the surgery, you know where to go

Osteotomies > Implants pill by Dr. A. himself

@jj43 did you do Ching wing this with him?

@FreakkForLife @Zenturio @russiancel @444

 

[Moldovancel]

Is Dr. Andreishchev reputable ?

 

[CursedOne]

Osteotomies > Implants pill by Dr. A. himself

@jj43 did you do Ching wing this with him?

@FreakkForLife @Zenturio @russiancel @444

I cant read all his messages. low quality. give another pic nigga

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Is Dr. Andreishchev reputable ?

Mixed bag, some users say he's blackpilled and competent and then

Andreischev jaw surgery reviews. Disturbing

Following this topic by @Deusmaximus: https://looksmax.org/threads/female-claims-russian-surgeon-destroyed-her-life-looks.266372/ There's a lot of obsession with Andreischev among jawcels on this site. Numerous before/after ig posts, pm convos with him but little to no feedback from his...

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@PapiMew you went with him?

Edit: @CursedOne Click open in new tab and zoom or save and zoom kid.

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

No, but for lower third the best b4/after pic results I've seen are from IMDO, but like Lf2 good luck getting it.

Definitely the more you lengthen with BSSO the higher the risk of nerve damage. Now if you could do distraction osteogenesis lower jaw it would be optimal although more expensive, and for jaw width maybe chin wing? I've asked @Acromegaly_Chad multiple times for both he didn't answer.

Dr. Zarrinbal does high cut BSSO it carries less risk for nerve damage but increases risk of relapse and it's aesthetically inferior to a regular BSSO.
Yes you could probably lenghten the ramus but I'm not sure if it's done so in practice.

Le fort 2 is useless to discuss its a unicorn surgery thats even riskier and less common than a lefort 3 and only ever done in syndromatic patients. Plus I don't really see why the augmentation of the lefort 2 area should be particularly important you eill end up looking like a rat

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Dr. Zarrinbal does high cut BSSO it carries less risk for nerve damage but increases risk of relapse and it's aesthetically inferior to a regular BSSO.
Yes you could probably lenghten the ramus but I'm not sure if it's done so in practice.

Le fort 2 is useless to discuss its a unicorn surgery thats even riskier and less common than a lefort 3 and only ever done in syndromatic patients. Plus I don't really see why the augmentation of the lefort 2 area should be particularly important you eill end up looking like a rat

It's ideal for recessed midface, as opposed to crappy implants and undereye jokes. I'm not sure if I can trust Dr. A. but he offers it.

What about chin wing for mandible width? Following the osteotomies > implants rule.

 

[Deleted member 15302]

if the lower maxilla is recessed the upper maxilla is most likely recessed. upper maxilla is extremely important for looking natural, not “dog-faced”, and imo it’s probably the most important for aesthetics in general.

ofc lefort 1 will be an improvement in pretty much all cases but with the new generations standard for a mix of a feminine and masculine face the upper maxilla is necessary to be ideal.

i’m not sure if an extremely high cut lefort 1 would be considered lefort 2 but that would probably be ideal as zygos and cheekbones can be improved with implants.

maybe in a few years we’ll see more lefort 2s for cosmetic purposes

upper maxilla = aesthetics, new gen appeal

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Doubt it. You'll be lucky if you find a trustworthy money hungry surgeon to do Lf2 to you.

But you can see that the most brutal, expensive surgeries help you ascend the most. This and double LL.

That was a severe case but imagine the typical forum 3.5/10 recessedcel getting this with proper bsso, genio and jaw implants and 4'' from the cross leg lengthening. Escape from LTN, not like some bimax crap that you can't recognize which is the before and the after that a surgeon post on instagram (which means they consider success!).

@Chinlet Ascension this one?

Good le fort 2 examples?

Does anyone have good examples of le fort 2 before/afters, especially done for aesthetic purposes? I have not seen a single good one. All of the examples I've seen are superdeformed people becoming less deformed.

looksmax.org

Yes

 

[FreakkForLife]

Dr. Zarrinbal does high cut BSSO it carries less risk for nerve damage but increases risk of relapse and it's aesthetically inferior to a regular BSSO.
Yes you could probably lenghten the ramus but I'm not sure if it's done so in practice.

Le fort 2 is useless to discuss its a unicorn surgery thats even riskier and less common than a lefort 3 and only ever done in syndromatic patients. Plus I don't really see why the augmentation of the lefort 2 area should be particularly important you eill end up looking like a rat

I just want a bit longer nose and midface as my midface is too small and compact which caps me to htn only.
Can a quadrangular lefort 1 with downgraft help with it?

I cant read all his messages. low quality. give another pic nigga

Still can't see the pic

 

[FreakkForLife]

Why do you want a longer midface nigga? high fWHR is high T

Yeah,but my shorter than ideal midface and nose caps me to htn.
Besides i want a very slight increase,not too much

 

[Deleted member 1901]

Lefort 1 is literally cope compared to lefort 2. But lefort 2 unfortunately is riskier and very hard to get done.

 

[Cardiologyscribe]

Giant implants is onto this too

 

[Deleted member 1901]

imagine this nigga's life before after

Went from sub1 side profile to chadlite. maybe biggest ascension from a single surgery. Ultimately, his condition was an extremely brutal failo.

 

[FreakkForLife]

Giant implants is onto this too

Does giant implants offer modified "french split " bsso?

 

[Cardiologyscribe]

Does giant implants offer modified "french split " bsso?

They offer every custom osteotomy that doest expose the brain