Why test 500mg, 5AR inhibitor, Accutane and AI (if necessary) is the best looksmaxcycle. Nuance mogger thread

[gofortheeyes]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique. If you want to add things to the cycle/stack, you need to know the drug, the side effects, metabolization, dosage, safety and duration. BE SMART

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so useless.




If you have any questions, do ask.

 

[6 9]

Good thread No reply on a high effort thread for 8 minutes just shows the State of this forum

 

[dopercoper]

Any thoughts on ru topical for dht blocking at scalp?

 

[ascension124]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique.

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so empty



If you have any questions, do ask.

Remove accutane add Tretinoin and only use ai if getting sides

 

[gofortheeyes]

Any thoughts on ru topical for dht blocking at scalp?

Shouldnt be stand alone treatment, There has yet to be a single drug or topical that's able to mog finasteride or dutasteride. Does it work? probably, but enough in the long run? definitely not. Not only that, it takes so much time to apply. You could use it with a 5 ARI

 

[gofortheeyes]

Remove accutane add Tretinoin and only use ai if getting sides

why brah, accutane mogs all skin care products. topical tretinoin didnt do shit for me (personal experience of course)

 

[gofortheeyes]

Remove accutane add Tretinoin and only use ai if getting sides

I said that also, bro. It just depends on your situation

 

[ascension124]

I said that also, bro. It just depends on your situation

Agreed you need RU58841 also

 

[dopercoper]

Shouldnt be stand alone treatment, There has yet to be a single drug or topical that's able to mog finasteride or dutasteride. Does it work? probably, but enough in the long run? definitely not. Not only that, it takes so much time to apply. You could use it with a 5 ARI

Just wondering as I’d rather wait till 25 or so to take a systemic dht blocker in order to get max bone gains from dht while young.
Obvs if the Norwood reaper knocks at my door I’ll probably change my mind and shoot him with whatever asteride I can get my hands on but I’m gonna stay hopeful in the meantime.

 

[gofortheeyes]

Good thread No reply on a high effort thread for 8 minutes just shows the State of this forum

it is pretty late.

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

Shouldnt be stand alone treatment, There has yet to be a single drug or topical that's able to mog finasteride or dutasteride. Does it work? probably, but enough in the long run? definitely not. Not only that, it takes so much time to apply. You could use it with a 5 ARI

ru58841 monotherapy is more effective than finasteride monotherapy, watch mpmds video on it

 

[ascension124]

ru58841 monotherapy is more effective than finasteride monotherapy, watch mpmds video on it

Finasteride is cope tbh

 

[dopercoper]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique.

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so empty



If you have any questions, do ask.

How would you recommend someone to pct if they’re still a teenager due to unknown effects of serms on growth plates

 

[gofortheeyes]

Just wondering as I’d rather wait till 25 or so to take a systemic dht blocker in order to get max bone gains from dht while young.
Obvs if the Norwood reaper knocks at my door I’ll probably change my mind and shoot him with whatever asteride I can get my hands on but I’m gonna stay hopeful in the meantime.

DHT does not appear to matter for bone growth. Men with 5alpha reductase deficiencies (meaning barely any DHT) developed their height as normal, yet they lacked penis growth and body hair. watch derek from more plates more dates video on this

 

[gofortheeyes]

How would you recommend someone to pct if they’re still a teenager due to unknown effects of serms on growth plates

I don't have knowledge on serm effect on growth plates. If they are able to bind the the ER in the tissue and cause gene activation, that might close growth plates prematurely.

personal story: i was on abou 500mg test for 18-21 weeks and i just stopped injecting i was 17 at the time and i did not need PCT, i did have it on hand, but didnt use it because i didnt feel low T sids, the test i was injecting was legit, i did blood work something like 3800ng/dl. Big chance that after first cycle you do not need PCT

alternative if you do PCT: Stop injecting test, and two weeks after last test injection use hCG, this is able to simulate endogenous LH to stimulate 'natural', endogenous testosterone production. then after about 2-6 weeks of this just stop injectin hCG and then your body will take over.

 

[gofortheeyes]

ru58841 monotherapy is more effective than finasteride monotherapy, watch mpmds video on it

 

[mlbmogger252]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique.

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so empty



If you have any questions, do ask.

Stack mogs. What are your thoughts on permablasting low dose accutane?

 

[gooner25]

I don't have knowledge on serm effect on growth plates. If they are able to bind the the ER in the tissue and cause gene activation, that might close growth plates prematurely.

personal story: i was on abou 500mg test for 18-21 weeks and i just stopped injecting i was 17 at the time and i did not need PCT, i did have it on hand, but didnt use it because i didnt feel low T sids, the test i was injecting was legit, i did blood work something like 3800ng/dl. Big chance that after first cycle you do not need PCT

alternative if you do PCT: Stop injecting test, and two weeks after last test injection use hCG, this is able to simulate endogenous LH to stimulate 'natural', endogenous testosterone production. then after about 2-6 weeks of this just stop injectin hCG and then your body will take over.

did u see dimorphism gains on that cycle?

 

[gofortheeyes]

Stack mogs. What are your thoughts on permablasting low dose accutane?

seems good idea, increased cell turnover rate in skin. However derma might not prescribe it because you don't have acne anymore, meaning cost out of own pocket, having dry lips constantly is pretty annoying. And if by blasting you mean 40mg+, it's still liver toxic i mean.. Also not necessary. after a blast you can maintain on just 10-20mg per day. also cheaper.

 

[gofortheeyes]

did u see dimorphism gains on that cycle?

Yeah bro, i have zero UEE cuz of ogre browridge, very happy with that

 

[mlbmogger252]

seems good idea, increased cell turnover rate in skin. However derma might not prescribe it because you don't have acne anymore, meaning cost out of own pocket, having dry lips constantly is pretty annoying. And if by blasting you mean 40mg+, it's still liver toxic i mean.. Also not necessary. after a blast you can maintain on just 10-20mg per day. also cheaper.

I’d probably do 10mg a day if at all the sides seem awful even from someone that doesn’t normally give a shit. Good thread

 

[gooner25]

Yeah bro, i have zero UEE cuz of ogre browridge, very happy with that

damn nice did u have browridge before that?

 

[gofortheeyes]

damn nice did u have browridge before that?

i had some, but now i have much better. my profile pick is my left eye, my eyebrows are so low set that they are beneath the browridge such that without squinting i am able to see my eyebrows when i look upwards

 

[gofortheeyes]

I’d probably do 10mg a day if at all the sides seem awful even from someone that doesn’t normally give a shit. Good thread

sides aren't that horrible. 10mg is very easily tolerable. They only reason i'm not on 10mg every day is because of cost, and the money isnt worth the looksmax for me. as the blasting has done most of the work already.

 

[gooner25]

i had some, but now i have much better. my profile pick is my left eye, my eyebrows are so low set that they are beneath the browridge such that without squinting i am able to see my browridge when i look upwards

imma run 500 test also do u think i should run anavar aswell?

 

[gofortheeyes]

imma run 500 test also do u think i should run anavar aswell?

You can, 20mg a day is good benefit. anavar seems to have some promise outside of anabolism, it's also used as anti catabolic agent for HIV patients IIRC. it's also mainly metabolized by the kidneys instead of liver which is quite rare for an oral steroid. It is more expensive than the average oral steroid and it is faked more often, so makes sure your source is trusted and perhaps lab tested by janoshik or a different lab.

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique. If you want to add things to the cycle/stack, you need to know the drug, the side effects, metabolization, dosage, safety and duration. BE SMART

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so useless.




If you have any questions, do ask.

replace test with enclo, i’m scared of taking test because what if world apocalypse happens and now you have no balls no T to have drive to survive, you’re fucked

 

[sportsmogger]

Good thread No reply on a high effort thread for 8 minutes just shows the State of this forum

cause no ones gonna read this shit

 

[gofortheeyes]

replace test with enclo, i’m scared of taking test because what if world apocalypse happens and now you have no balls no T to have drive to survive, you’re fucked

You should have pct on hand, perhaps you have an emergence or some other reason as to why you have to stop injecting. Then you always want go have a SERM on hand.

 

[yannis]

Why do all of this when you can improve quality of life, looks and have small performance boosts in gym using peptides. It’s also way safer and cheaper. Steroids always tend to make you look worse even when limiting side effects with your means imo. Opinion?

 

[gofortheeyes]

Why do all of this when you can improve quality of life, looks and have small performance boosts in gym using peptides. It’s also way safer and cheaper. Steroids always tend to make you look worse even when limiting side effects with your means imo. Opinion?

I think that testosterone has a very good side effect profile. Your body produces it naturally, so it's not possible that there are unknown extremely dangerous side effects. Whereas when you look at these research peptides that haven't been fully developed or researched there is argument to be made that they are actually more dangerous.

I think that the side effects from test are predictable and easily negated by use of ancillaries. I don't think they make you look worse really. It just depends on dose and ancillary use. If you let your skin get all grainy and old, like some bodybuilders, yeah that will make you look worse. But if you stick to test on a dose less than a gram per week, combined with skincare and accutane, 5ARI and AI, you are able to look quite the same.

I also think testoerone is pretty cheap. for around 30-50 euros you have test for 1 month. This will give you insane, guarenteed gains. But the results from peptides are minimal to non existent. You'd have to use a lot of different peptides and still the gains are minimal. Not only that you still need to inject peptides, do you know what a pain it is to pin this many times for minimal gains when you could just pin test 3 times per week and be done?

In short, i don't think peptides are necessarily safer, cheaper or as effective as just a test dose.

 

[yannis]

I think that testosterone has a very good side effect profile. Your body produces it naturally, so it's not possible that there are unknown extremely dangerous side effects. Whereas when you look at these research peptides that haven't been fully developed or researched there is argument to be made that they are actually more dangerous.

I think that the side effects from test are predictable and easily negated by use of ancillaries. I don't think they make you look worse really. It just depends on dose and ancillary use. If you let your skin get all grainy and old, like some bodybuilders, yeah that will make you look worse. But if you stick to test on a dose less than a gram per week, combined with skincare and accutane, 5ARI and AI, you are able to look quite the same.

I also think testoerone is pretty cheap. for around 30-50 euros you have test for 1 month. This will give you insane, guarenteed gains. But the results from peptides are minimal to non existent. You'd have to use a lot of different peptides and still the gains are minimal. Not only that you still need to inject peptides, do you know what a pain it is to pin this many times for minimal gains when you could just pin test 3 times per week and be done?

In short, i don't think peptides are necessarily safer, cheaper or as effective as just a test dose.

Thank you, that clears a lot up.

 

[spermium]

Firstly, testosterone is a bio identical hormone (disregarding the esters, obv that's not bio identical), it has been researched for decades. The side effects are predictable, and not toxic.
- not liver toxic
- not kidney toxic
- not neurotoxic
- not hairsafe
- not skin safe

It's is hair safe because test itself does not cause hairloss, only it's metabolite DHT. DHT causes DHT-specific conformational changes of the androgen receptor, leading to DHT- specific gene transcription, that might cause hairloss, which depends on whether you have the genes or not. Also, if test itself causes hairloss, then why am i able to stop hairloss with dutasteride even though my systemic test is so much higher than systemic DHT. This can only conclude that reducing DHT is the biggest ROI for stopping hairloss.

This is the reason for the first ancillary on the list: A 5 Alpha Reductase Inhibitor. The only choices are finasteride and dutasteride. anything else is cope. If you think that these drugs are bad, then good luck being a slaphead. If you want more information and perhaps have doubts, which is okay, go watch some videos from the channel "haircafe". Also DHT is bad for skin, as DHT directly increase sebum production, which causes acne. 5ARI's are known for their anti ageing benefits.

The reason it's not skinsafe is because of the potential for hormonal fluctuations. Most often acne is the worst when you just start the cycle (very high increase compared to homeostasis) and when you end a cycle (rapid decrease compared to homeostasis (this depends on the ester used of course)). The other factor is, as mentioned, DHT. Therefore the only logical outcome is to use Accutane everyday. It's a wonderous drug that should be included in the starter kit. The dose you need depends on your own body. If you don't have the money for it, start the cycle, show the acne to your dermatologist, they will prescribe it to you, and if you live in a 1st world country you can get it from insurance. DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE USING GEAR. When i told them i was using they refused to prescribe me any longer, so i had to source from only out of own pocket.

The best thing about accutane is that it's effect are bascially permanent. Once you''ve done an accutane cycle, The sebum glands in the skin become premanently deregulated, meaning after treatment you never have acne ever again. Or you can do higher dose for a while , then maintain on just 10mg per day, less dry skin, but still the anti acne and improved skin benefits.

For accutane you should use another ancillary namely, a moisturizer. Accutane sides are mostly just dry skin and lips, which can easily be negated by moisturizer and lip balm. Trust me, you're going to need lip balm.


For the last one: An Aromatase inhibitor. This might have a dual purpose when you're younger and cycling: increase height growth as well as lower test conversion to estradiol. Some people might not need an AI at all on 500mg (i didn't), while others are able to lactate from the gyno. If you're young I would recommend it, as you increase test (from normal endogenous production to 500mg exogenous source), it will increase the amount of estrogen in your body, meaning, even though you don't get gyno or other estrogen related side effects, you will still prematurely close your growth plates.

When should you increase or use the dose of x compound:

Firstly 5 ARI's, it you're very young, you probably shouldn't use 5ARI's, as DHT is only useful during puberty. However because of the amount of test you will have in your body, it might be able to compensate meaning that the overall effect of the DHT ON cycle with 5ARI is the same as off cyle without one.
Personal experience: I started finasteride at 18, at (18,8 years old I'm on dutasteride(it mogs finasteride to 5th dimension)), i still have mogger browridge and am able to growbeard to the point of looking ogre(some people think I'm like 22-26 year old) , so it doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, it's still person dependent. If you're a cutecel, you might wanna leave a 5ARI out.

Secondly Accutane, what i suggest you do (without doctor supervision, meaning you buy the drugs out of own pocket) is you first do a blood test before starting your own regimen, My dermatologist tested my intial blood (pre accutane) for: GAMMA- GT, ALT, triglycerides and cholesterol. Then after one month of 20mg treatment you test the same values again, if they are noticeable worse, then BP comes to collect, cuz your body cannot tolerate it. and continuing the use will DAMAGE YOUR LIVER. If the increase is minor, to non noticeable, you can maintain current does, or increase it slightly, maybe by 10-20mg increments.

If you get it from the dermatologist, then just follow what they are doing, and never admit to test use, even if they ask, just lie.

Androgens (non 17 alpha alkylated ones, orals are a different story) and retinoids have no contra indication, so witholding the test use is no big deal. Maybe while you're on avoid excessive alcohol and 17-alpha alkylated steroids (aka: oral steroids, anavar, dianabol winstrol) or sarms these are drugs that mainly metabolize through the liver, meaning you increase the liver burden even further by using these in conjunction.

Thirdly Aromatase inhibitor, There are multiple drugs you can choose from: exemestane, letrozole and anastrazole. The one you can get for least amount of money is best, or which ever is your personal preference. There might be an objective answer in terms of body toxicity, but it's probably minor differences.

First off: DO NOT TAKE A LOT. Estrogen is still an important hormone, even in males. Crushing it to undetectable levels is horrlbe for your penis (no erections), horrible for your skin (just look at transgender, they have much better skin with e2 pills), horrible for you hair (estrogen is very hair protective), horrible for your state of mind (lethargic, no energy, no motivation), cardiotoxic (just aks GPT lol, it does too many things for bloodvessels, lipids and anti inflammation) and even NEUROTOXIC (which is even worse, considering your brain is still developing, making it even worse).

What you want to do is take the dose which you are able to tolerate without any side effects, lack of the things listed above, one of the best indicators is erection quality and existence lmao. There is no standard dose for everyone, you can search online for standard dose and start with that and increase or decrease depending on your own body. (if you need something to cut pills with, use a pill cutter)

If you are serious about starting a steroid cycle, i suggest reading the r/steroids wiki page, it has insanely in depth information about hormones, enzymes, blood pressure and all sorts of things.

What i find hilarious is that i see people on tiktok indoctrinated with the black or white mindset (steroids mean heart attack by 30), they think they're smarter, while in actuality, you can use: Lower doses, Shorter use, blood pressure meds, AI's, statins, beta blockers, lower caffeine intake and different compound selection. This idea that steroids are inherently going to result in you dying is wrong, IRRESPONSIBLE use is very dangerous. That's why you need to be knowledgeable on the subject and know what the outcomes are from doing x and the side effect profile of y and the potential use of ancillary z. You don't need high doses to get a great physique. If you want to add things to the cycle/stack, you need to know the drug, the side effects, metabolization, dosage, safety and duration. BE SMART

If you think: muh natural, unnatural bad, ok then don't take the drugs. If you're scared of needles, don't take the drugs, very simple mathematics here. You're not better or anything, you're just not prepared to do what it takes, and that's alright.

So while others are gymrotting and barely noticing any results, you can be done with your gymcelling and bulking within 2 years and maintain from there on. Imagine working out and barely anyone noticing your physique, brutal. Natural gymrotting is so useless.




If you have any questions, do ask.

But nigga supra physiological test will age you

 

[gofortheeyes]

But nigga supra physiological test will age you

it will just masculinize your face. If you combine it with skin care, your skin doesnt really age that much if you combine it with 5 ARI

 

[spermium]

it will just masculinize your face. If you combine it with skin care, your skin doesnt really age that much if you combine it with 5 ARI

Idk sounds cope what's the 5ari gonna do other than keep your hair ?

 

[gofortheeyes]

Idk sounds cope what's the 5ari gonna do other than keep your hair ?

It also prevents skin ageing.

 

[lestoa]

Remove accutane add Tretinoin and only use ai if getting sides

retard

 

[gofortheeyes]

retard

Didnt really understand also why you'd use tretinoin over accutane. is oral tretinoin even bioavailable? topical skin care is mostly cope

 

[Hexmask]

Mirin post. I wish I had started dutasteride when I first started roids. Now im running GHK-cu and just started dut while on cruise. After a few weeks im gonna crank back up and start putting on size xD.

bump

 

[LooksmaxAutist]

This is braindead, to say testosterone isn't inherently liver or kidney toxic is wrong, the way in which testosterone is metabolized is through the conjugation of glucuronic acid which occurs mostly in the liver. If you are requiring your body to process folds more of a hormone through an organ you can expect that organ to be under more stress. Furthermore we have seen data to show the development of both cancerous and noncancerous tumors on the liver with elevated testosterone levels:

Elevated serum testosterone levels and risk of hepatocellular carcinoma - PubMed

Serum samples of 9691 male adults had been collected and frozen for a prospective study of hepatocellular carcinoma in Taiwan. After an average follow-up period of 4.6 years, testosterone levels in the stored serum were measured by radioimmunoassay using commercial kits for 35 cases of newly...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589555923000733

there are more markers than just liver enzymes to determine liver function so low liver enzymes on testosterone doesn't indicate your liver is fine, you can have normal liver enzymes but high as hell alpha fetoprotein.

Kidneys also need to remove glucuronidated testosterone and as a result you can expect to increase the amount of solute within urine, as a result putting more stress on nephrons. Furthermore there are more indirect issues that come from androgen exposure like increased risk of atherosclerosis and sodium / water retention which potentiate the ability for high blood pressure to become an issue. Anyone who has studied biology knows the one thing that will rip your kidneys apart is high blood pressure, the solution then you would say is 12.5mgs of telmisartan but now you run the risk of reducing your eGFR to a point where your kidneys aren't filtering well enough.

Point I am making with all of this is that there are risks that come with drug exposure whether or not the parent drug is synthetic or not, don't make a blanketed statement and act as if PCP's are so dumb that they just don't know you can be healthy while on 500mgs of testosterone because you can just do polypharmacy and be fine.

 

[gooner25]

Mirin post. I wish I had started dutasteride when I first started roids. Now im running GHK-cu and just started dut while on cruise. After a few weeks im gonna crank back up and start putting on size xD.

bump

has ghk-cu helped skin and hair?

 

[Hexmask]

has ghk-cu helped skin and hair?

Oh yes I love it. My hair gets very thick, skin looks beautiful. Its like everytime you do a "cycle" of GHK its like doing a mini botox/microneedling

 

[gofortheeyes]

This is braindead, to say testosterone isn't inherently liver or kidney toxic is wrong, the way in which testosterone is metabolized is through the conjugation of glucuronic acid which occurs mostly in the liver. If you are requiring your body to process folds more of a hormone through an organ you can expect that organ to be under more stress. Furthermore we have seen data to show the development of both cancerous and noncancerous tumors on the liver with elevated testosterone levels:

Elevated serum testosterone levels and risk of hepatocellular carcinoma - PubMed

Serum samples of 9691 male adults had been collected and frozen for a prospective study of hepatocellular carcinoma in Taiwan. After an average follow-up period of 4.6 years, testosterone levels in the stored serum were measured by radioimmunoassay using commercial kits for 35 cases of newly...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589555923000733

there are more markers than just liver enzymes to determine liver function so low liver enzymes on testosterone doesn't indicate your liver is fine, you can have normal liver enzymes but high as hell alpha fetoprotein.

Kidneys also need to remove glucuronidated testosterone and as a result you can expect to increase the amount of solute within urine, as a result putting more stress on nephrons. Furthermore there are more indirect issues that come from androgen exposure like increased risk of atherosclerosis and sodium / water retention which potentiate the ability for high blood pressure to become an issue. Anyone who has studied biology knows the one thing that will rip your kidneys apart is high blood pressure, the solution then you would say is 12.5mgs of telmisartan but now you run the risk of reducing your eGFR to a point where your kidneys aren't filtering well enough.

Point I am making with all of this is that there are risks that come with drug exposure whether or not the parent drug is synthetic or not, don't make a blanketed statement and act as if PCP's are so dumb that they just don't know you can be healthy while on 500mgs of testosterone because you can just do polypharmacy and be fine.

I never said PCP's were stupid. Mine refused to prescribe accutane because of ethical reasons, as they would be giving me a drug to combat the sides from substance abuse (test usage). That's why i said don't tell your PCP you're using.

OK, maybe there is a correlation between testosterone and liver cancer, however this very minimal, it's not even listed as a side effect, nor is it seen as a known side effect of steroid abuse. Also im curious, maybe you can help me on this: When is something liver toxic? I mean yeah something gets metabolized by the liver, this causes stress, but if your liver can regenerate fast enough such that the netto damage is 0, is this still toxic? Yeah, the liver will be under 'stress' however, i doubt it's really damaging long term.

You're definitely right that there are more risks other than the ones i've listed, however i find these negligible. Maybe i should've been more nuanced.

Yeah, you're partly right on the bloodpressure part. However when looking at testosterone use, the main driver behind the increases in BP is estrogen, not testosterone, that's why you use an AI. Perhaps i shouldve listed increased BP also as a sign you're estrogen is high. And yeah, telmisartan could also be added.

Main point is, this isn't a thread on how to perma blast and become massive. This is a thread for guys that do maybe 2-3 cycles and are then done. Meaning low exposure and decently low dose( sub 1 gram). And i think that the sides and risks i have listed align with this dosage protocol.

thanks for the high iq reply.

 

[LooksmaxAutist]

However when looking at testosterone use, the main driver behind the increases in BP is estrogen, not testosterone, that's why you use an A

Sort of both right and wrong at the same time. The way bp is regulated through sex hormones is really complex. Testosterone can exhort a bp increase through several ways, it can increase adrenergic signaling thus increasing bp, it can be aromatized and then increase ADH production thus causing water retention and higher bp, it can be converted to DHT which then inhibits estrogen induced RNA transcription and as a result cause ADH to decrease (which is sort of paradoxical from the previous point). With estrogen you can also upregulate the RAAS system causing an increase is bp if your E2 is too high but you as well can reduce bp by upregulating prostaglandin e2 gene expression in smooth muscle causing a decrease is bp through arterial relaxation. Then as previously mentioned you can increase ADH production with E2 as a result causing water retention and bp issues. In post menopausal women we actually see positive effects on BP when taking HRT as well as reduced risk of cardiac events suggesting a cardioprotective effect, you can also have the opposite however if E2 becomes too high. All things considered you can understand why this stuff starts getting so convoluted and you can't just say 1 hormone does this because physiology is so damn complex. Could telmisartan reduce bp? Maybe for some people and not for others depending how their bodies regulate the previous pathways. In general I would say that reducing e2 is not a good idea to treat BP but there are situations like if you take Dbol test and deca that your E2 can be so high it increases your bp to dangerous levels.

 

[gofortheeyes]

Sort of both right and wrong at the same time. The way bp is regulated through sex hormones is really complex. Testosterone can exhort a bp increase through several ways, it can increase adrenergic signaling thus increasing bp, it can be aromatized and then increase ADH production thus causing water retention and higher bp, it can be converted to DHT which then inhibits estrogen induced RNA transcription and as a result cause ADH to decrease (which is sort of paradoxical from the previous point). With estrogen you can also upregulate the RAAS system causing an increase is bp if your E2 is too high but you as well can reduce bp by upregulating prostaglandin e2 gene expression in smooth muscle causing a decrease is bp through arterial relaxation. Then as previously mentioned you can increase ADH production with E2 as a result causing water retention and bp issues. In post menopausal women we actually see positive effects on BP when taking HRT as well as reduced risk of cardiac events suggesting a cardioprotective effect, you can also have the opposite however if E2 becomes too high. All things considered you can understand why this stuff starts getting so convoluted and you can't just say 1 hormone does this because physiology is so damn complex. Could telmisartan reduce bp? Maybe for some people and not for others depending how their bodies regulate the previous pathways. In general I would say that reducing e2 is not a good idea to treat BP but there are situations like if you take Dbol test and deca that your E2 can be so high it increases your bp to dangerous levels.

I think that the BP increase of test alone (not DHT, not E2) from 500mg per week is so low that it is negligible. As for adrenergic signalling, yeah, this might be a factor, however test is not really known for being extremely psychoactive, like something like tren, ment, and some orals maybe. I think it's negligible. I speak from person experience also, but also what others say.

I definitly don't say only 1 hormone does this. The human body is complex, however I look at the biggest ROI on lowering BP on 500mg test, and that seems to be just e2. In other contexts with different compounds it might be something else that's the biggest factor, or something along side e2 that you cannot ignore anymore (for example adrenergic signaling from tren, so maybe you use benzo).

If you read my post i say that e2 is cardioprotective and that crushing e2 is cardiotoxic. I made it very clear to not take large doses of AI. I stated very clearly that e2 is important in the male body.

Again, i look at the biggest factor of treating the side effects of 500mg test per week. And in almost all cases it seems to be too high e2.

In conclusion, the adrenergic signalling from just 500mg test is negligible (in most people), You want to keep some e2, but don't let it get too high, and DHT should be crushed anway lmao.

And i mean, obviously lowering e2 when you have high bp is not always the answer. But if you previously had normal bp and now you're on test, you can be pretty damn sure that it's from the aromatization, if all other things remain normal (diet, stimulant intake, no other drugs)