Adapted cosmological argument

[reptiles]

P1 reality breaks down into smaller fundamental bits.
P2 reality is reduceable to smaller ordered parts
P3 the universe moves towards logic and order
P4 they exist abstractly neither in space nor time.
P5 our minds move towards logic and order.
Reality then must be an abstraction.
P6 if we can construct logical laws that are real in the mind and our minds have order to them then this reality would be abstraction of a mind as our mind can conceive a thought that exists
C1 reality is merely an abstraction.
C2 it is inside a mind.

 

[BonesAndHarmony]

Not really, you could just say that the mind is inside reality and that we can think up logical laws because we imitate reality

 

[Krezo]

Well done for stating your conclusions and using standard from correctly but one of the premises to your argument is false.

P3 the universe moves towards logic and order

This is incorrect. Entropy states that the universe is in fact getting more chaotic as time moves on, not more logical and ordered. Look up the laws of Thermodynamics.

 

[reptiles]

Not really, you could just say that the mind is inside reality and that we can think up logical laws because we imitate reality

Your misunderstanding the fundamental arguent here the argument is not physical mind creates physical reality the argument was physical minds can construct thoughts that are abstract those those have a realism within the mind itself as the mind is not reduceable to non mind following from this the universe being logical and orderly must exist within some form of a mind so reality would just be Abstractions of a higher mind

 

[Deleted member 1182]

if your DICK is not FAT and 9 INCHES you have been CUCKED from the universe
god DOESNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU and is currently laughing at your suffering and your gay theories

 

[BonesAndHarmony]

Your misunderstanding the fundamental arguent here the argument is not physical mind creates physical reality the argument was physical minds can construct thoughts that are abstract those those have a realism within the mind itself as the mind is not reduceable to non mind following from this the universe being logical and orderly must exist within some form of a mind so reality would just be Abstractions of a higher mind

The realism within the mind as you call it is just an imitation of reality

 

[BrettyBoy]

XD

 

[reptiles]

Well done for stating your conclusions and using standard from correctly but one of the premises to your argument is false.


This is incorrect. Entropy states that the universe is in fact getting more chaotic as time moves on, not more logical and ordered. Look up the laws of Thermodynamics.

That's a fair critism however my rebuttal would while things get less harmonious it still. Moves towards logical ends so premise still stands you just get rid of harmony

The realism within the mind as you call it is just an imitation of reality

Well no cause that reduces mind down to matter which we cannot prove at all if it is a mere reflection of what we see in nature it suggests the mind can be reduced to non mind like matter when we cannot do that tbh reity emerges from mind as to deny this is to Concede consciousness is well an illusion

 

[framecel222]

cope