(MEGA THREAD) Proof God doesn’t exist

ain't no fucking way this retard is a flat earther :lul:.
a flat earther but also using dna to prove his god, just shows the hypocrisy they would indulge in to just defend their religion
Lmao I laughed hard at that when I read it as well 😂

This dude is fighting his backbone so try and defend his religion bro just give up @King Solomon
 
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This dude can't comprehend the bible as displayed in his first comment. Then proceeds to call me a low IQ retard.

He just earned the Dunning-Kruger effect award of the year.

I dnr his response as I have no reason to respond to him as it's a waste of time attempting to persuade a brain washed buffoon. If he comes back to me later and is willing to learn from the master then I'll consider enlightening him further.
good, so u understood that ur dna argument is full of shit and showed ur ignorance. and further responses are just u coping that u couldn't even prove ur god :lul:
 
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good, so u understood that ur dna argument is full of shit and showed ur ignorance. and further responses are just u coping that u couldn't even prove ur god :lul:
Brutal
 
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Don’t car

He’s a retarded schizo. I debunked his argument on the flat earth and he just ignored me too.
DNR the response and you probably debunked yourself, and if a person is rejecting pure logic and evidence as I provided to you and shows no signs of being open and intellectually honest then I simply stop the conversations. I've had thousands of these conversations to know how they end and continuing is delaying the inevitable with specific people (brainwashed, closed mined, low IQ, cognitive biased, constant ad hominins etc).

I have no reason to continue discussions with conversations that are going no where. But as you clearly seen in the thread if a person is open minded, then I'll continue the discussion as I have no time to waste on certain people like I used to do.

Once I get to a certain point and people are still in denial then I drop them but in the past I'd argue until the coqs come home but it just leads to no where. It's called social awareness.
 
@Darktriad16 hes almost as bad as this dude @MaghrebGator who literally made a whole thread responding to my argument and he spent most of the time quoting Quran verses to prove his points. I couldn’t stop laughing when I was reading it 🤣🤣🤣. And then he had the audacity to reference sources like Muslim skeptic and sapience institute as well 😂 these people are jokers. I encourage you to read his thread you’ll have a good laugh.
 
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DNR the response and you probably debunked yourself, and if a person is rejecting pure logic and evidence as I provided to you and shows no signs of being open and intellectually honest then I simply stop the conversations. I've had thousands of these conversations to know how they end and continuing is delaying the inevitable with specific people (brainwashed, closed mined, low IQ, cognitive biased, constant ad hominins etc).

I have no reason to continue discussions with conversations that are going no where. But as you clearly seen in the thread if a person is open minded, then I'll continue the discussion as I have no time to waste on certain people like I used to do.

Once I get to a certain point and people are still in denial then I drop them but in the past I'd argue until the coqs come home but it just leads to no where. It's called social awareness.
The denial is unreal. You are the one who is being intellectually honest here it is so obvious. And I already called you out for it and you didn’t reply which proves my point. 🎤 drop
 
Read all of it, wow bhai coming from an agnostic with his own belief system and his i view this world. This is a very interesting thread definitely gonna use some of these logical points against my dad whenever he brings this up
 
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No way this dude is a flat earther lmao. Really taking those bible apologetics to the next level Lmao
I was an atheist attempting to disprove the flat earthers and Christians since I assumed it was a joke the way school presented it to me and of course NASA has all the evidence so I was brainwashed and egotistical. With that being said, I wanted the truth and the more I researched the more I seen the reality presented to me from 5 years old and up was an absolute joke and was embarrassed that I fell for it. Flat earth brought me to Christianity as it opened me up to more truth.

The funniest thing is the people that create the globe earth and atheist pseudoscience are believers aka the Edomites and they literally understand biblical truths but are satanists as they interpret lucifer to be the GOD. They laugh at the people qho believe their theoretical pseudoscience and think they're morons because it's damming all their souls.
 
The denial is unreal. You are the one who is being intellectually honest here it is so obvious. And I already called you out for it and you didn’t reply which proves my point. 🎤 drop
I DNR as I stop caring at a certain point as stated and I'm consistent with everyone in this method. I have no time for people that can't be reasoned with so I move on. I've yet to meet a single person that uses with a bunch of personal attacks and actually be open to learn the truth so there's no reason to continue the conversation.

It's simply illogical to continue the discussion. But as you see in all my posts on here, if the person is open minded then I continue the discussion.

I can't reply to something IDNR.

If your mentality changes then maybe in the future we can revisit this discussion but as for now I am ending it. BOOM get some

Don't hate the player, hate the game
 
Read all of it, wow bhai coming from an agnostic with his own belief system and his i view this world. This is a very interesting thread definitely gonna use some of these logical points against my dad whenever he brings this up
Thx Bhai. Is ur dad religious? Did you leave religion like I did?
 
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I was an atheist attempting to disprove the flat earthers and Christians since I assumed it was a joke the way school presented it to me and of course NASA has all the evidence so I was brainwashed and egotistical. With that being said, I wanted the truth and the more I researched the more I seen the reality presented to me from 5 years old and up was an absolute joke and was embarrassed that I fell for it. Flat earth brought me to Christianity as it opened me up to more truth.

The funniest thing is the people that create the globe earth and atheist pseudoscience are believers aka the Edomites and they literally understand biblical truths but are satanists as they interpret lucifer to be the GOD. They laugh at the people qho believe their theoretical pseudoscience and think they're morons because it's damming all their souls.
You reading this shit 💀😂? @Darktriad16 @lemonnz
 
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I DNR as I stop caring at a certain point as stated and I'm consistent with everyone in this method. I have no time for people that can't be reasoned with so I move on. I've yet to meet a single person that uses with a bunch of personal attacks and actually be open to learn the truth so there's no reason to continue the conversation.

It's simply illogical to continue the discussion. But as you see in all my posts on here, if the person is open minded then I continue the discussion.

I can't reply to something IDNR.

If your mentality changes then maybe in the future we can revisit this discussion but as for now I am ending it. BOOM get some

Don't hate the player, hate the game
You literally tried to prove the quantum god, a god which you obviously don’t believe in. Why don’t just try and prove the religious god you do believe in then? What god are you even trying to prove?
 
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@Darktriad16 hes almost as bad as this dude @MaghrebGator who literally made a whole thread responding to my argument and he spent most of the time quoting Quran verses to prove his points. I couldn’t stop laughing when I was reading it 🤣🤣🤣. And then he had the audacity to reference sources like Muslim skeptic and sapience institute as well 😂 these people are jokers. I encourage you to read his thread you’ll have a good laugh.
i read a half of it and got bored after he started repeating the same thing "muh uh u atheists don't have a reason to live, u are a bacteria, i can't believe that i'm just matter without a purpose:soy::soy:" which are just egotistical arguments and have 0 logical basis, he's entire argument argument is based on emotions and nothing more. and honestly i couldn't care less abt his response because it doesn't have a goal, maybe if he does a thread proving god then that will be worth it
 
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i read a half of it and got bored after he started repeating the same thing "muh uh u atheists don't have a reason to live, u are a bacteria, i can't believe that i'm just matter without a purpose:soy::soy:" which are just egotistical arguments and have 0 logical basis, he's entire argument argument is based on emotions and nothing more. and honestly i couldn't care less abt his response because it doesn't have a goal, maybe if he does a thread proving god then that will be worth it
@MaghrebGator 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Fr tho it was so bad and yeh I agree with ur take as well. Honestly bro just fully embarrassed himself
 
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@TsarTsar444 make sure to like my thread as well after you read it 👍 thx bro
 
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Also forgot to ask @Darktriad16 csn you like my thread as well trying to get to 50 upvotes thanks
 
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You literally tried to prove the quantum god, a god which you obviously don’t believe in. Why don’t just try and prove the religious god you do believe in then? What god are you even trying to prove?
Great question and I commend you for opening up a bit.

I don't subscribe to a church or a religion as they've been corrupted by man. This qas the first reason I became athiest as I qas finding an incredible amount of contradictions as a Christian going through Communion and then catecisam (by force basically). Not only did the catholic church contradict the bible but the bible contradicted the bible. After finding all these contradictions I took that as proof.

The second time around after using science to prove God I reviewed all the main religions and inevitably came back to Christianity but not a part of a chapter 304 church. I joined bible study groups and then started my own.

Eventually came to the realization that even the oldest books in existence in the Septuagint and Codex are still corrupted even though written around the 3rd century. Books had been added and removed, mistranslations from the original Hebrew bible and ancient Hebrew no longer exists and will never exist again. Since I had a thirst for knowledge and wanted to know everything I failed to realize until later that the main thing is the Law is written in our hearts and having a connection to the creator is more important than knowing everything and the entire bible having every book and translation perfect. To take the gist of the bible in the core message of belief in the one true creator, we're eternal, our beliefs/thoughts and actions dictate our reality in the alternate dimension in our astral body's, free qill and the creator doesn't force us to have a relationship with him in the material world a, have a relationship with YAH, adhere to the law, and treat others as you wish to be treated, and forgive thouse who wrong you. Lastly, a good portion of the prophecies that qere not corrupted have come true. No man, machine, government, society, etc could ever make these precise predictions. I believe 2100 of the 2500 prophecies have come true. The main one's that stuck out to me qere the Great empires and nations prophecies as they all came to fruition. This can only be divine in nation as these are thousands of years prophecies contiously coming true. No other so called religion has this and it's not even close.

So, realizing the so called christian churches and bible has been corrupted but getting the gist of the message to receive salvation and to assist others in receiving salvation through the creator is paramount. As for the corruption in the churches, bible itself and the false religions. These are mainly the direct efforts of the devil in using man to permanently damn souls as is atheism qhich Lucifer uses his people aka the Edomites to teach psuedoscience and theories to fool the loq IQ masses through the brainqashing indoctrination camps, media, government, TV, movies, etc. These Edomites attack God on all fronts (creation of athiesm, corruption of the bible and christian churches, creation of false religions, and promotion degenerate lifestyles via maintream music, porn, TV, Hollyqood, colleges, etc.


I'd reccommend checing out the thousands of prophecies that have come true. School for prophets on YT does an amazing job explaining some of the main prophecies I told you about and exposes the Papacy as it was a corruption from the start.



Another thing to delve into is the archeological discoveries proving the biblical historical accounts of things like the flood/Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon, Nephilim, etc. All things I used to call fantasy and used to say the sky daddy or flying spaghetti monster must have told them this. Hanah those were the days.


I came from the mainstream view of the earth and life and dedicated my career in the natural sciences to disprove the bible and a GOD and qas completely indoctrinated for 2 decades and continued to consume their theoretical garbage to support my bias. It wasn't until I actually investigated the globe earth myself instead of blind faith, that was the spur I needed to find more truth.
 
Thx Bhai. Is ur dad religious? Did you leave religion like I did?
Dad has this judeo-christian beliefs. Thinks he’s right about everything and says world will end very soon which i mean he’s not wrong were collapsing but like jesus won’t come back and all at stuff.
 
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Dad has this judeo-christian beliefs. Thinks he’s right about everything and says world will end very soon which i mean he’s not wrong were collapsing but like jesus won’t come back and all at stuff.
Yeh same as my dad. What were your overall thoughts On my thread though?
 
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Yeh same as my dad. What were your overall thoughts On my thread though?
Very good non-looksmaxx related and very high effort thread, my adhd could never bro so props to you. i find the religious arguments on this forum interesting as I always question my dad about these things. You should make more threads like this and maybe challenge more people
 
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Very good non-looksmaxx related and very high effort thread, my adhd could never bro so props to you. i find the religious arguments on this forum interesting as I always question my dad about these things. You should make more threads like this and maybe challenge more people
Thx appreciate it bro. Yeh it was quite controversial lmao as you can see by the reactions and comments 😂 didn’t expect it at all to raise the amount of controversy it did tbh 😂 literally had people wanting to get me banned and making threads how I am the new worst user on this forum (only because of this thread) so that’s crazy.
 
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@Funnyunenjoyer1 this thread
 
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Great question and I commend you for opening up a bit.

I don't subscribe to a church or a religion as they've been corrupted by man. This qas the first reason I became athiest as I qas finding an incredible amount of contradictions as a Christian going through Communion and then catecisam (by force basically). Not only did the catholic church contradict the bible but the bible contradicted the bible. After finding all these contradictions I took that as proof.

The second time around after using science to prove God I reviewed all the main religions and inevitably came back to Christianity but not a part of a chapter 304 church. I joined bible study groups and then started my own.

Eventually came to the realization that even the oldest books in existence in the Septuagint and Codex are still corrupted even though written around the 3rd century. Books had been added and removed, mistranslations from the original Hebrew bible and ancient Hebrew no longer exists and will never exist again. Since I had a thirst for knowledge and wanted to know everything I failed to realize until later that the main thing is the Law is written in our hearts and having a connection to the creator is more important than knowing everything and the entire bible having every book and translation perfect. To take the gist of the bible in the core message of belief in the one true creator, we're eternal, our beliefs/thoughts and actions dictate our reality in the alternate dimension in our astral body's, free qill and the creator doesn't force us to have a relationship with him in the material world a, have a relationship with YAH, adhere to the law, and treat others as you wish to be treated, and forgive thouse who wrong you. Lastly, a good portion of the prophecies that qere not corrupted have come true. No man, machine, government, society, etc could ever make these precise predictions. I believe 2100 of the 2500 prophecies have come true. The main one's that stuck out to me qere the Great empires and nations prophecies as they all came to fruition. This can only be divine in nation as these are thousands of years prophecies contiously coming true. No other so called religion has this and it's not even close.

So, realizing the so called christian churches and bible has been corrupted but getting the gist of the message to receive salvation and to assist others in receiving salvation through the creator is paramount. As for the corruption in the churches, bible itself and the false religions. These are mainly the direct efforts of the devil in using man to permanently damn souls as is atheism qhich Lucifer uses his people aka the Edomites to teach psuedoscience and theories to fool the loq IQ masses through the brainqashing indoctrination camps, media, government, TV, movies, etc. These Edomites attack God on all fronts (creation of athiesm, corruption of the bible and christian churches, creation of false religions, and promotion degenerate lifestyles via maintream music, porn, TV, Hollyqood, colleges, etc.


I'd reccommend checing out the thousands of prophecies that have come true. School for prophets on YT does an amazing job explaining some of the main prophecies I told you about and exposes the Papacy as it was a corruption from the start.



Another thing to delve into is the archeological discoveries proving the biblical historical accounts of things like the flood/Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon, Nephilim, etc. All things I used to call fantasy and used to say the sky daddy or flying spaghetti monster must have told them this. Hanah those were the days.


I came from the mainstream view of the earth and life and dedicated my career in the natural sciences to disprove the bible and a GOD and qas completely indoctrinated for 2 decades and continued to consume their theoretical garbage to support my bias. It wasn't until I actually investigated the globe earth myself instead of blind faith, that was the spur I needed to find more truth.

This kind of seems like cherry picking though like you don’t agree with parts of the bible but you agree with the overall teachings of Jesus and the tenets of the faith etc. tbf a lot of Christian’s do this but it doesn’t make sense to me.

Also with the prophecies thing it’s possible for someone to predict something and they can be right but it’s not a prophecy in the sense that god dictates it. There have been many predictions made my Muhammad which came true but obviously Islam is a false religion so you wouldn’t consider that a fulfilled prophecy. Same with Christianity.

And yes there are a lot of contradictions in the bible but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It only adds to the authenticity of the text. If everything was perfect it would seem obvious that people colluded to write that book and it wasn’t genuinely inspired by Jesus himself.

These are the main points lmk if missed anything
 
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I always wondered about like people say "heaven" and "hell" but where the poor summer ant goes who you accidentally step on ?
 
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I always wondered about like people say "heaven" and "hell" but where the poor summer ant goes who you accidentally step on ?
Yeh lmao. Those guys are dead and they never coming back. Same with humans
 
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When will you reply I’m interested in your response? @King Solomon
 
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When will you reply I’m interested in your response? @King Solomon
I'm taking care of my yard/animals. It's hot here so it zaps my energy after working outside for several hours. I'd like to give a good response and not a 5 second response that most give on here.
 
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Yeh take ur time then.

How are your animals doing though? I have rabbits so I care deeply for animals
 
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Yeh take ur time then.

How are your animals doing though? I have rabbits so I care deeply for animals
Ok,

Do the rabbits require more than grass or can they be healthy off grass alone?

One of the dogs is breaking through the invisible fence line so I have to retrain him.



I have wild rabbits all over my place. I had to create a boundary and separate green house to keep them out of the gardens.

The duckies are going good so far. I use the eggs to barter in my local community of off grid people. I let them swim in a large pool once a day.

Sheep are next on my to do list. I can't tolerate animal fat anymore so I just use animal products to bartar. I don't slaughter anything, just natural deaths unless an animal is sick and I simply am unable do anything (So far this hasn't happened).

I agree with the vegans in that qe should treat animals with kindness and compassion. If it was possible, I would like to create an earth as mentioned in the Kingdom after the second coming where basically everybody is vegan. I acknowledge in our fallen state it's not possible as there are people who have digestive systems that are compromised and can only eat meat (I was temporarily one of those rare cases but it does happen)

Qe have cats, dogs, ducks and soon to have chickens, horses and sheep.
 
I always wondered about like people say "heaven" and "hell" but where the poor summer ant goes who you accidentally step on ?
After reading and qatching over 1,000 NDE's/OBE's of heaven and hell I've had 3 talk about animals in heaven and as for hell they say the demons or animal hybrids of the fallen angels that mixed qith strange flesh (as mentioned in the Sodom and Gammora biblical scriptures). These are the spirits of those beasts that parished in the flood. There qere many that mentioned these demons as lizard like or other animal hybrids. But only three accounts of normal current animals from earth in heaven. No accounts on insects.

After losing my dog I wondered about this. I know the bible mentions animals in the Kingdom of a 1,000 years but I'm not certain on animals in heaven.
 
This kind of seems like cherry picking though like you don’t agree with parts of the bible but you agree with the overall teachings of Jesus and the tenets of the faith etc. tbf a lot of Christian’s do this but it doesn’t make sense to me.

Also with the prophecies thing it’s possible for someone to predict something and they can be right but it’s not a prophecy in the sense that god dictates it. There have been many predictions made my Muhammad which came true but obviously Islam is a false religion so you wouldn’t consider that a fulfilled prophecy. Same with Christianity.

And yes there are a lot of contradictions in the bible but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It only adds to the authenticity of the text. If everything was perfect it would seem obvious that people colluded to write that book and it wasn’t genuinely inspired by Jesus himself.

These are the main points lmk if missed anything
1.) ) this isn’t me disagreeing. Rather, I am researching and using discernment, historical evidence, Non-biblical historical evidence, etc etc to determine the books and scriptures that should be in and shouldn’t be in or the passages that have been mistranslated.

A.) I used to just read and accept, then read for understanding for each passage,, then read to and check for contradictions, then conduct research on the history on how the bible was put together, books removed, added, translations, the oldest copies in the codex, Septuagint, and then do my own translations for each passage (Takes forever just for one book) etc.

B.) If I come across something I can’t find any historical context on and no other sources to help and using my oqn discernment and understanding fails then I go to the holy spirit for discernment that’s beyond myself. The holy spirit is basically received qhen you’re born again and to be born again you must be baptized and to be baptized to qhere it’s legitimate it must be by someone that has been given the holy spirit and you must be of age as baby baptizms are false since you do not have the ability to accept something you can’t understand. What age that is, it varies per person but probably around 5 years of age.



2.) When reviewing the top religions I found Islam to not only be pure plagiarism but Mohammud never performed any miracles and none of his so called prophecies ever came to fruition. This religion is similar to Mormonism but worse since it’s a satanic archaic death cult and their version of Jesus slaughters the Christians and Jeqs. Qe need a parody movie just for the laughable beliefs of the Islamic faith. The only reason I can see someone staying in this faith if they’re not low IQ or brainwashed is that they’re afraid of being killed for converting.



A.) The so called Christian God has prophecies that no man, no faith, no organization has ever produced in total amount and level of probability of coming to fruition. I believe there is a site that covers every single prophecy and the mathmatical odds for those prophecies to come true.



3.)As for the contradictions, it depends on the types of contradictions. For instance, James, John, Mark, Mattheq, etc all discuss the certain experiences in slightly different qays. For example one disciple didn’t mention the earth quake that occurred during the crucifixion, the resurrected form of Jesus was described slightly different as one said hair as white as snow and face like lightening and another said his head and hair were white like wool. There are endless examples of these differences but I believe since they’re human accounts of their experiences I’d expect them to remember different aspects of the different events they believed to be important enough to put into their books.



Overall, the Papacy had a major hand in removing many of the books over the years in the third century and again during the 17th century and adding in the works of Paul (Acts, all his letters, Hebrews) and 2 Peter is pseudepigrapha



Lastly, the bible isn’t even required to become a believe. As stated the law is written in our minds and hearts and even if you do not know his name, if you’re an Adamite and still have the mark of YAH in your DNA then you can still reach out to him and have a relationship. There are accounts of missionaries that have gone to the ends of the earth in small tribes that never get to hear about the bible at all but they spoke about some adults and children that knew who Jesus was either from their dreams or out of body experiences. These are somewhat similar to those who know of Jesus but don’t know who he truly is like Muslims know him to be a prophet and there are some that give their OBE hell experience and in their soul body automatically knew to call on Jesus and they were saved. Some of these Muslims were the most fanatical Muslims that would never convert in a million years from any earth experience but the OBE changed their lives. If you’re truly open just type in interviews of people experiencing heaven and or hell with NBE’s/OBE’s. You’ll find even the most radical atheists, or those of other faiths have been converted and give very similar accounts. I found hell so disturbing that I had issues sleeping for a couple weeks. I understand some people require to see to believe. The question then becomes why do some get to see and others don’t. With this being said, Lucifer can use deception and use NDE's/OBE's dreams or people using astral projection to deceive them so one has to use discernment.



The following verse comes to mind on these occurrences Deuteronomy 4:29 proclaims, “But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.” This verse teaches an important principle—everyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. If a person truly desires to know God, God will make Himself known.



I think just the videos I mentioned to check out in the school for prophets video on Prophecy I sent you and hell/heaven OBE’s/NDE’s especially of atheists or those of non Christian faiths along with the site that shows all the prophecies and the probability of them coming to fruition may be enough to ignite at least a curiosity to conduct more research. That’s the thing is no person is going to just convert you overnight. It may take months or years of research, prayer, etc. The main things I looked into qas the prophecies, archaeological evidence, scientific evidence, and the Edomites doing everything in their nature to convert people to false religions, theoretical pseudo science and knowing their history as Israelite killers.



You don’t need to be a conspiracy theorist to understand their goal is world domination, enslavement, depopulation, and oppression as the evidence is not only all around you but it’s in their Talmudic books.



I am currently focusing on the Shroud of Turin which as a previous atheist I mocked and laughed at because our superior carbon dating technique proved it qas a fraud over 3.5 decades ago. Little did my arrogant ass know that there was major conflicts of interest, poor scientific methods used, and covering up the methodology for 30 years until a freedom of information act qas used to expose this carbon dating as a hoax and complete fraud and not real legitimate science. It’s quite a fascinating relic and perhaps the most studied ancient piece of material ever studied in history. It has never been to be duplicated/replicated even with our much more advanced technology. The one thing that claimed to debunk it is a proven fraud.
 
Introduction

This is the ultimate god doesn’t exist proof thread. I will be providing proof (mostly) here that it is not possible for a god to exist. This is also intended for users who don’t have a great understanding of the subject and want to learn more about it, as well as for the high iq atheist users who just want their biases confirmed JFL.

This was inspired by @mogstars recent low iq (JFL) thread on life is cucked if you’re an atheist. I’m tired of religious cucks on this forum waffling: Muh Atheist low iq, Muh Atheist have no morality or no sense of purpose JFL, still makes me laugh, and they give no proof for it either, just wafflers. People have been claiming this about atheism for as long as it’s been around, so these points are really nothing new and can be explained. I aim to try to stop these low iq threads. Or if they will continue at least have good arguments.

One thing to note is that I am writing this thread from an unbiased perspective (some may have a hard time believing this given my strong atheistic stances on this forum lol) but nevertheless I have obviously considered both sides of the argument before making this thread, and I came to the conclusion atheism > religion/deism. Don’t make the mistake of thinking this was a preconceived confirmation bias decision as I am well aware of these biases and try my best for them not to hinder my reasoning. If there was more proof god existed I would simply be making this thread but for the other side.

Another thing to note is that it shouldn’t matter if god doesn’t exist. People often fall into depression after losing their faith (just like I did). The thing is that atheism can give meaning, purpose everything that religion can. It just can’t give life after death. The thing is though imagine if everyone had the perfect life they wanted from birth to death, there wouldn’t really be a need for an afterlife. In my opinion the concept of an afterlife only exists because of evil, which is an intrinsic part of humans. People have a hard time accepting that and feel the desire for justice or an afterlife which can be devoid of any evil. Every human struggles with this no matter how much they will try to Larp. Just accept it the way it is.

The way I define god is in the traditional sense of omnipotent, omniscience, omnipresent and omnibenevolent. If you are unaware with those terms just Google them JFL I can’t be asked to explain it on here, but most should.

Brief discussion on religions

As some of you may know I used to be Muslim my whole life until I left It only last year. The aim of this thread isn’t to disprove religions but to disprove the concept of god as a whole. I happen to think Christianity is a decent religion and many users here are obviously well versed in it and believe it is real (obviously not including Old Testament atrocities, there aren’t really any good apologetics for those as well, as well as how confusing the trinity is). But aside from that it’s alright. My personal opinion on Christianity is that Jesus wasn’t resurrected, but there is a decent plausibility that he was resurrected, and is therefore god. I can’t be asked to go into that here though because it will just take up too much time.

It should be obvious to anyone with a brain that Islam is a false religion, but just in case it’s not here is a thread on Reddit (JFL) that does a really good job outlining hadiths and how they disprove Islam. Great apologetics from both sides with unbiased opinions. Most Muslims here will never have heard of these as they are usually hidden by our scholars (obviously). Hence why when you bring these up to Muslims they almost always have never heard them before: https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/s/q47mxhmgdU.

The funny thing is tbh I sometimes think about how it would be hilarious if everyone argues over the main 3 Abrahamic religions and the one true religion is just one which no one follows or has heard about JFL, from like 2000+ years ago. Cracks me up thinking about it. But yeh I do think all religions are false.

Anyway I have considered most of the arguments for god (some more well versed than others) but I have a pretty good understanding of the apologetics for them and the counter arguments against them. Ones I have studied:
Fine tuning

Ontological

Cosmological

Contingency

Moral

Personal experience

Resurrection

Miracles

There’s way more but I can’t be asked to list them all here or go through with them, as this is a proof god DOESNT exist thread. If you wanna learn them more there are plenty of videos and sources online explaining them. Just be aware that there’s obviously still work being done on all of them and u shouldn’t use this as a baseline for your religious beliefs, which brings me into my first argument against god.

Lack of evidence?

You probably know that most religious people claim that gods existence is obvious (I don’t think they know what obvious means JFL) but they will usually cite fine tuning argument or Muh look at the trees bullshit for their so called evidence.

Well I’m here to tell you it’s not obvious at all, just because stuff exists doesn’t mean the concept of god (which humans came up with btw) is a real entity manifesting externally from its conceptual standpoint. This is a fallacy but either way, this begs the question of why does god make it so painfully hard to provide any knowledge of his existence (outside of religion)? I’m not referring to divine hiddenness here because this already presupposes god to begin with, this is more along the lines of lack of CONCRETE evidence, one which doesn’t take years of studying and scientific work to arrive at a conclusion, more from a critical thinking standpoint I guess.

It shouldn’t seem intuitive to people that just by looking around this somehow means that god is real. We have had stuff which has always mind boggled our intuition and still does to this day (take quantum entanglement as an example). This logically follows that it should be possible for god not to exist and we still have the universe we see today. This part obviously isn’t conclusive proof it’s just the starting point for further exploration of the subject.

Another point religious people like to bring up is that god has to exist because the universe couldn’t have been brought about accidentally. However this isn’t really true, and seems similar to like an appeal to intuition in them saying god has to exist because there is no evidence against the world not being an accident. But this is only judged by their own intuition, and any smart person will know our intuition is subject to many biases that are accounted for when coming to conclusions based on independent verifiable evidence. It is certainly plausible that it could have been accidental, especially given the time frame that evolution occurred on and the development of the universe as a whole. If we are talking about the Big Bang however things become a little more obscure, and it is certainly arrogant for someone to claim that this couldn’t have been accidental when we have no idea if that’s truly the case or not. Natural mechanistic forces are not dictated by any sort of agency like humans are dictated by agency, this means that it is possible (maybe not plausible though) that it could have been accidental.

Problem of evil

This is the most intuitively plausible argument against gods existence in general, and also in my own personal estimation, the main likelihood that god doesn’t exist. Certainly most religious people have doubts with this but usually tend to gloss over it, that is the religious mindset.

The general consensus in philosophy (as of right now) is that it is not logically impossible for god to exist given evil, but evidentially implausible that he would exist given the amount of evil we see in the world (according to atheist philosophers at least). Obviously it still plausible god would have reasons to allow evil to occur, such as overcoming the pain and being a better person on the other side or affecting someone else in that same manner. However it seems intuitively implausible that certain evils god would allow if he is all good as defined. This is where there is inherently more room for intuition, as evil is more of an intuitive understanding of a state of mental or physical being according to someone’s own perception than just an independent reviewed study (which we don’t really have much of anyway for this problem).

I won’t be tackling this problem from a scholarly perspective as it’s mostly just brain rot. The way I like to tackle this problem is sampling different case studies of evil across human history and assigning them a factor out of 10 based on their intuitive responses they trigger in humans. This is because there isn’t really any other good way of tackling this problem besides intuitive philosophical thinking. Obviously if you wanted to conclude whether god does exist for sure, you would have to sample case studies of every single human in history and also rank each of their individual experiences of evil out of a factor of 10. You would also have to have every single human ever complete this task, as to limit individual biases. A confidence test or an average of these would probably give you a likely estimate of whether god exists or not. Obviously this is impossible so we can try this on a much less scale. For example:
Not getting the cake you wanted for your birthday is intuitively evil, but on an extremely minimal scale of perhaps a 0.13/10. Obviously this is autistic as fuck and no one thinks like this but we are trying to logically deduce whether god exists so we have to think like this. Lmao imagine if god exists and he’s autistic, ultimate JFL

However impaling someone and then raping their dead body would have a much higher scale of around an 8.7/10 (intuitively). This would be different based on everyone’s different level of intuition but somewhere around there. This is why this experiment is SO SO hard. We have no way of knowing as humans who’s intuition is more plausible based on perceptions of evil. Certainly, a three year old child may think that the example I gave has an intuitive level of evil of about a 10, whereas Ramirez may think it is about a -1 (JFL RR). This is why I believe it is impossible for us to know for certainty why evil exists and what constitutes as evil based on mere perception, but we can always make a logical inference and be correct (hopefully). JFL just imagine In reality if evil was actually good and we were just progressing backwards morally instead of forward. This is definitely not impossible but highly implausible.

Now for most people, a 10 would probably be along the lines of the greatest evils of all time, say unit 731, holocaust, torture of Junko Furuta. These seem intuitively impossible to most humans as to be anything lower than a 10 on the scale, but let’s say a 9.5 just to be generous to the more desensitised scums on this forum JFL. It does seem intuitively impossible for an all loving god to allow something like torture of Junko Furuta to happen (btw if you’re gonna look this up be warned it’ll probably ruin your day), especially when it resulted in her death and there was no benefit to gain from it for her (or anyone for that matter). Most people who come across this would logically conclude that god is a scum who allowed an innocent girl to get brutally tortured for something like his own sadistic pleasure, which makes no sense. Another thing is this would also affect someone who is looking for answers to this problem. Imagine if they came across this story and got traumatised and then subsequently lost their faith in god. Seems like a pretty stupid and useless thing for god to do to allow that to happen. Obviously as time progresses and more evil occurs, this gives us a greater intuitive inference to make about whether god does exist or not, and for me it seems more implausible than plausible that he does exist based on this problem, albeit not impossible.

The common apologetic response to this argument is that god does allow it happen, because of human free will etc etc. let’s just assume that free will does exist for the sake of the argument (obviously not something we can ever know but still). The main thing for me is that this doesn’t take away from the intrinsic suffering of said person who is still experiencing the state of evil, just because someone else’s free will allows them to act on that decision. Suffering is still a mental state at the end of the day, and just because someone has free will this doesn’t really prove anything to do with the argument.

Argument from eternal consciousness

This is the argument from eternal consciousness against gods existence. This isn’t a scholarly work it’s just an argument that I made up myself JFL, but it does have a high intrinsic plausibility factor, according to me at least.

Argument is basically:

P1: Gods existence is either mechanically determined, or consciously determined
P2: if gods existence is mechanically determined, then god can’t exist (as defined)

P3: gods existence is mechanically determined

Conc: therefore god can’t exist
It’s important to note that this argument makes the case of gods existence being impossible due to a logical contradiction with his attributes, not an argument of simply trying to deduce whether god does exist or not based on understanding of reality (take fine tuning as an example), but that the concept of god itself is fundamentally impossible, be it deistic or theistic.
The argument is basically stemming from the contingency argument, which is usually the most plausible argument for gods existence according to majority of philosophers. If you want to research this before hand that would probably be a good idea. It comes to the conclusion that god must exist because there has to be a necessary foundation to reality, an eternal agent which has always existed and brought about the universe. Obviously there’s a lot more to it but it’s mostly brain rot. My personal opinion however is that it’s quite likely that this argument is true, at least a factor of 8 (which is very high).

The main thing I’m trying to tackle here is the nature of this necessary existence, because the contingency argument doesn’t tackle that. This is more of an argument for deism but who cares it still counts as god (not in the traditional sense but just in general) it can still be used for the theistic god as well, but I would use different arguments to disprove that. The main point is that this entities existence would only be governed by mechanism or by agency. My argument is that it cannot be governed by agency.

Obviously it’s crazy to think about how something has always existed and how that’s even possible, because it breaks our intuition, so this might be hard but bear with me: for something to be eternal, that must mean that it’s existence is governed by it’s own intrinsic nature, and nothing external to it. Now I don’t think that it’s possible for a conscious being to exist necessarily, as mechanism seems fundamental. For something to have existed eternally and be conscious seems like a major contradiction. Consciousness entails agency, basically meaning that the being in question is alive and able to make decisions. But how can this be the case with an eternal existence. Agency requires the precondition of a decision to necessitate its existence, but since this being has always existed, how is it possible for it to make the decision for itself to exist, as the choice for it to exist must be preceded by a decision to result in that choice and then subsequently it’s existence.

But if it’s eternal, it cannot make the decision to exist since it has always existed. This plausibly leads to the conclusion that it’s existence must be mechanical, as mechanism would entail it’s eternal state of existence, being governed by some mechanism which in and of itself means that this being has existed forever. Another thing is that if this being is conscious, it must have the ability to decide to cease existing, otherwise it’s not conscious or an agent. But obviously this is a contradiction if it’s eternal, it must have a mechanism which stops it from existing as it has to exist by necessity (it’s non existence is impossible in every possible state of affairs).

People may argue that gods existence is dictated mechanically, but it still has the conscious ability to do things. This seems more like special pleading though. If I just have given an argument as to why it can’t be conscious, then that means it’s not conscious JFL. And then ultimately the discussion becomes pointless because it’s impossible to know the true nature of this entity. This is an example of how our intuition can be broken with thought experiments like these, which is why a belief in god should never be rational in my opinion (at least for high iq thinkers I’m not talking about the average person here). People need god and will always need god, but we’re interested in whether this so called being actually exists in reality.
But my argument would be that this facilitates a lack of belief in a god, due to these reasons. But I’m interested to hear peoples opinions on this argument because I’ve never seen this discussed online before, so let me know your thoughts (from both sides). I’m open to anyone trying to disprove what I’ve said (obviously given good reason) as I’m intellectually honest and open to worldview changes.
what if god just hates some people and likes other people how bou da?
 
1.) ) this isn’t me disagreeing. Rather, I am researching and using discernment, historical evidence, Non-biblical historical evidence, etc etc to determine the books and scriptures that should be in and shouldn’t be in or the passages that have been mistranslated.

A.) I used to just read and accept, then read for understanding for each passage,, then read to and check for contradictions, then conduct research on the history on how the bible was put together, books removed, added, translations, the oldest copies in the codex, Septuagint, and then do my own translations for each passage (Takes forever just for one book) etc.

B.) If I come across something I can’t find any historical context on and no other sources to help and using my oqn discernment and understanding fails then I go to the holy spirit for discernment that’s beyond myself. The holy spirit is basically received qhen you’re born again and to be born again you must be baptized and to be baptized to qhere it’s legitimate it must be by someone that has been given the holy spirit and you must be of age as baby baptizms are false since you do not have the ability to accept something you can’t understand. What age that is, it varies per person but probably around 5 years of age.



2.) When reviewing the top religions I found Islam to not only be pure plagiarism but Mohammud never performed any miracles and none of his so called prophecies ever came to fruition. This religion is similar to Mormonism but worse since it’s a satanic archaic death cult and their version of Jesus slaughters the Christians and Jeqs. Qe need a parody movie just for the laughable beliefs of the Islamic faith. The only reason I can see someone staying in this faith if they’re not low IQ or brainwashed is that they’re afraid of being killed for converting.



A.) The so called Christian God has prophecies that no man, no faith, no organization has ever produced in total amount and level of probability of coming to fruition. I believe there is a site that covers every single prophecy and the mathmatical odds for those prophecies to come true.



3.)As for the contradictions, it depends on the types of contradictions. For instance, James, John, Mark, Mattheq, etc all discuss the certain experiences in slightly different qays. For example one disciple didn’t mention the earth quake that occurred during the crucifixion, the resurrected form of Jesus was described slightly different as one said hair as white as snow and face like lightening and another said his head and hair were white like wool. There are endless examples of these differences but I believe since they’re human accounts of their experiences I’d expect them to remember different aspects of the different events they believed to be important enough to put into their books.



Overall, the Papacy had a major hand in removing many of the books over the years in the third century and again during the 17th century and adding in the works of Paul (Acts, all his letters, Hebrews) and 2 Peter is pseudepigrapha



Lastly, the bible isn’t even required to become a believe. As stated the law is written in our minds and hearts and even if you do not know his name, if you’re an Adamite and still have the mark of YAH in your DNA then you can still reach out to him and have a relationship. There are accounts of missionaries that have gone to the ends of the earth in small tribes that never get to hear about the bible at all but they spoke about some adults and children that knew who Jesus was either from their dreams or out of body experiences. These are somewhat similar to those who know of Jesus but don’t know who he truly is like Muslims know him to be a prophet and there are some that give their OBE hell experience and in their soul body automatically knew to call on Jesus and they were saved. Some of these Muslims were the most fanatical Muslims that would never convert in a million years from any earth experience but the OBE changed their lives. If you’re truly open just type in interviews of people experiencing heaven and or hell with NBE’s/OBE’s. You’ll find even the most radical atheists, or those of other faiths have been converted and give very similar accounts. I found hell so disturbing that I had issues sleeping for a couple weeks. I understand some people require to see to believe. The question then becomes why do some get to see and others don’t. With this being said, Lucifer can use deception and use NDE's/OBE's dreams or people using astral projection to deceive them so one has to use discernment.



The following verse comes to mind on these occurrences Deuteronomy 4:29 proclaims, “But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.” This verse teaches an important principle—everyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. If a person truly desires to know God, God will make Himself known.



I think just the videos I mentioned to check out in the school for prophets video on Prophecy I sent you and hell/heaven OBE’s/NDE’s especially of atheists or those of non Christian faiths along with the site that shows all the prophecies and the probability of them coming to fruition may be enough to ignite at least a curiosity to conduct more research. That’s the thing is no person is going to just convert you overnight. It may take months or years of research, prayer, etc. The main things I looked into qas the prophecies, archaeological evidence, scientific evidence, and the Edomites doing everything in their nature to convert people to false religions, theoretical pseudo science and knowing their history as Israelite killers.



You don’t need to be a conspiracy theorist to understand their goal is world domination, enslavement, depopulation, and oppression as the evidence is not only all around you but it’s in their Talmudic books.



I am currently focusing on the Shroud of Turin which as a previous atheist I mocked and laughed at because our superior carbon dating technique proved it qas a fraud over 3.5 decades ago. Little did my arrogant ass know that there was major conflicts of interest, poor scientific methods used, and covering up the methodology for 30 years until a freedom of information act qas used to expose this carbon dating as a hoax and complete fraud and not real legitimate science. It’s quite a fascinating relic and perhaps the most studied ancient piece of material ever studied in history. It has never been to be duplicated/replicated even with our much more advanced technology. The one thing that claimed to debunk it is a proven fraud.
Will reply in a couple of days quite a long read
 
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@MaghrebGator stop sending your goons to fight me, it’s not working
 
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Will reply in a couple of days quite a long read
Understandable, this is another reason qhy I stopped replying to people that don't appear to be open or just attacking me because I put a decent amount of info/material in my responses the more I become vested in the conversation. It's mainly because I get excited about these things. So I qant to come from a state of finding truth instead of just debating or name calling as that's not conductive of finding truth.

Are you interested in the Shroud of Turin? I can add you in these future post.
 
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human worshipper + polytheist:lul:

If us Christians were polytheists, we would have no problem admitting so. There are >3-4 billion polytheists in this world and there is no shame in being one. Christianity doesn’t need to be secretive about its beliefs.

The trinity isn’t 3 Gods. It is ONE. This has been repeated quadrillions of times to you people already. It is merely a way to understand the incomprehensible essence and being of God.

Jesus isn’t just human. He is fully human and fully divine
 
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If us Christians were polytheists, we would have no problem admitting so. There are >3-4 billion polytheists in this world and there is no shame in being one. Christianity doesn’t need to be secretive about its beliefs.

The trinity isn’t 3 Gods. It is ONE. This has been repeated quadrillions of times to you people already. It is merely a way to understand the incomprehensible essence and being of God.

Jesus isn’t just human. He is fully human and fully divine
@Darktriad16
 
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Yeh I am. Make sure
Understandable, this is another reason qhy I stopped replying to people that don't appear to be open or just attacking me because I put a decent amount of info/material in my responses the more I become vested in the conversation. It's mainly because I get excited about these things. So I qant to come from a state of finding truth instead of just debating or name calling as that's not conductive of finding truth.

Are you interested in the Shroud of Turin? I can add you in these future post.
to add me
 
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If us Christians were polytheists, we would have no problem admitting so. There are >3-4 billion polytheists in this world and there is no shame in being one. Christianity doesn’t need to be secretive about its beliefs.

The trinity isn’t 3 Gods. It is ONE. This has been repeated quadrillions of times to you people already. It is merely a way to understand the incomprehensible essence and being of God.

Jesus isn’t just human. He is fully human and fully divine
i called u polytheist because u hate being called that.
and that means nothing, is jesus and the father the same? if they are the same means they are one and have the same knowledge right? so why does jesus not know the hour? i don't need ur brain gymnastics that u use to convince urself with, do u have an actual answer and not speculation, how is this possible?

can't be too opposite things at once, u should say he is divine but in a human body
 
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i called u polytheist because u hate being called that.
and that means nothing, is jesus and the father the same? if they are the same means they are one and have the same knowledge right? so why does jesus not know the hour? i don't need ur brain gymnastics that u use to convince urself with, do u have an actual answer and not speculation, how is this possible?

can't be too opposite things at once, u should say he is divine but in a human body
@Eternal_ he’s got u there. When you’re confronted with a question you can’t answer you just avoid it lmao. Like on your post today still ain’t answered me
 
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Thx appreciate it bro. Yeh it was quite controversial lmao as you can see by the reactions and comments 😂 didn’t expect it at all to raise the amount of controversy it did tbh 😂 literally had people wanting to get me banned and making threads how I am the new worst user on this forum (only because of this thread) so that’s crazy.
I'd disagree with those people. That's no better than the Edomites/Canaanites banning Christian beliefs and simply making them illegal punishable by imprisonment and by death

Please see the Noahide laws signed by every president since Bush and the current antisemitism bill in the senate:


https://www.congress.gov/102/statute/STATUTE-105/STATUTE-105-Pg44.pdf NOAHIDE signed by bush
https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...ish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm The 7 Noahide laws.

-These are the Talmudic (Edomite created laws around 500AD). The 7th laq puts all people under the Talmudic system. Their view in their oqn Talmud believes all non Edomites are animals and to be treated as such and is not a crime to kill, rape steal, etc from a non Edomite but if an non Edomite does anything bad to an Edomite or even caught practicing Christianity or anything other than worshipping their GOD in lucifer then it's punishable by death.


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr6090/text (section 4 definition of antisemitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the IHRA)
There are books that summarize their findings in the Talmud's that are not supposed to be read by the GOY.

If you review the definitions this includes things like Jesus calling these Edomites the Synagogue of Satan, seed of the devil, or that the Jews aka Edomites had him crucified in the hands of Roman soldiers.

I'm always up for anyone's opinions/beliefs as long as they're not doxing/telling people to attack or kill somebody.
 
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I'd disagree with those people. That's no better than the Edomites/Canaanites banning Christian beliefs and simply making them illegal punishable by imprisonment and by death

Please see the Noahide laws signed by every president since Bush and the current antisemitism bill in the senate:


https://www.congress.gov/102/statute/STATUTE-105/STATUTE-105-Pg44.pdf NOAHIDE signed by bush
https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...ish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm The 7 Noahide laws.

-These are the Talmudic (Edomite created laws around 500AD). The 7th laq puts all people under the Talmudic system. Their view in their oqn Talmud believes all non Edomites are animals and to be treated as such and is not a crime to kill, rape steal, etc from a non Edomite but if an non Edomite does anything bad to an Edomite or even caught practicing Christianity or anything other than worshipping their GOD in lucifer then it's punishable by death.


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr6090/text (section 4 definition of antisemitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the IHRA)
There are books that summarize their findings in the Talmud's that are not supposed to be read by the GOY.

If you review the definitions this includes things like Jesus calling these Edomites the Synagogue of Satan, seed of the devil, or that the Jews aka Edomites had him crucified in the hands of Roman soldiers.

I'm always up for anyone's opinions/beliefs as long as they're not doxing/telling people to attack or kill somebody.
As far as I’m aware Talmudic law doesn’t advocate for these things because it’s just a discussion over centuries that Rabbis have to discuss various laws, and those are often taken out of context. You can’t really use the Talmud for that purpose but I guess that means you could use the Torah because it more closely resembles the Quran and bible in dictating divine law, whereas the Talmud is just a collection of those laws which are discussed by Rabbis over centuries to arrive at their conclusions I guess. But let me know
 
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Understandable, this is another reason qhy I stopped replying to people that don't appear to be open or just attacking me because I put a decent amount of info/material in my responses the more I become vested in the conversation. It's mainly because I get excited about these things. So I qant to come from a state of finding truth instead of just debating or name calling as that's not conductive of finding truth.

Are you interested in the Shroud of Turin? I can add you in these future post.
What is the shroud of Turin?
 
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What is the shroud of Turin?

at the begining of this video in part 1 in the science of the miracle, it provides you with mountains of sites that have all the peer reviewed articles, history, archaeology, etc of this relic.

To summarize this ancient relic quickly, I'd say this is the receipt of our Messiah in Jesus Christ in the sacrifice he made to pay for the sins, fulfill hundreds of OT prophecies in his torture, crucifixion, death and resurrection. It's essentially the first selfie ever taken.

To Sum up the main talking points:
1.) This image of Jesus (name and Nazarene is on the Shroud in the style and language of the time
2.) Image is identical to the earliest paintings of Yahshua
3.) All the qounds on the man in the shroud match everything as written in the New testament, the lashings, spear stab, throns on the head,
4.) There's 32 types Pollen on the shroud that matches Palestine and Jerusalem that match the time period of Jesus
5.) The most advanced technology on earth cannot duplicate or even mimic this image
6.) The blood came on the shroud before the image of the man
7.) The man was vertical and not standing on anything (floating) when the image appeared).
8.) A peer reviewed article by a 30+ year nuclear physicist concluded that extremely quick burst of high levels of radiation emmitted from the dead man's body to imprint the image on this shroud qhich aged the fibers that made out his image.
9.) The so called official history of the shroud starts in 1,350 but qe have receipts of the earliest artqork ever produced to have identical
attributes from the shroud that only a person that has seen the shroud would've been able to add in these things into their art. This is a form of veneration and authentication of the shroud.
10.) It's the most studied relic and perhaps ancient product ever studied and that includes thousands of atheists, agnostics, and people of every faith/religion. There are hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed studies, images, etc.
11.) A Carbon dating of the Shroud had it listed as 70 AD but not accepted due to a piece of material being on the sample that may have tampered with the results. New X-ray imaging of the shroud authenticates it to be roughly 2000 years old in 2022.
12.) A Carbon dating qas initially taken in 1988 but refused to provided their methodology until forced by laq 30 years later. They concluded the shroud to be from 1260-1400 with 95% certainty. However after they finally forced them furnish the methodology it was debunked and shown they used bad science and there were conflicts of interests.
A.) Oxford University receives 2 million dollars after the "leak" of their results and the head of the British Museum at the time gets a cut of that money and retires. It promoted their neq carbon dating technology qhich people accept to be as foolproof as DNA analysis but that's simply not the case. They took only one strip of the cloth from the bottom left corner of the shroud and cut into four pieces and the range qas actually 1200-1450 so their methodology of deriviving 95% certainty qas heavily flaqed and the fact that the range is so large from one tiny sample puts into question this technology. That one strip the got qas of a patch that qas qoven in after a fire so it's not an original part of the shroud. This qas proven qith advanced imaging that shows the color of the patch to be different from the rest of the shroud and chemical analysis displayed that it was a different product and woven different than the rest of the shroud. It was also debunked by a peer reviewed article from one of the original scientists on that carbon dating team and recanted by the university so it's not accepted as real science or authentic results that they said proved the shroud to be a medieval forgery.
13.) There is no material on the shroud (paint, oils, ink, nor residue of anything as it's simply the cloth being aged by radiation emitted from a dead man's body from a short term burst of light).
14.) Coins on the eyes qere of ceaser and of the time period of Jeusus and even had a spelling error qhich there have been 6 other coins like this that have that same spelling error.
15.) They found dirt on the feet, knee and nose which is Jesus falling over from carrying the cross and the soil studies examined concluded it was from Jerusalem as did the 32 types of pollen.
16.) The size and material of the shroud dates the shroud back to the time of Jesus and again an Israelite practice back in this time period.

The man in the image has a Caucasian phenotype, long fine hair, mid level beard and mustache roughly 6 ft and 155-170 lbs. Eye color and hair color are virtually impossible to conclude. Thankfully, even though the Romans had brutal tactics they did a great job of documenting and saving everything. Their official court documents and letters from high ranking officials, senators and roman shoulders stated Jesus was a slightly taller stature, eyes described as bright and grey/blue hair described as red but brightened from the sun, skin that was tanned from the sun. This includes a report Pontious Pilate to Cesar and was common knowledge around 150 AD. He stated his hair was golden colored.

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The one thing that supposedly debunk this image 30+ years ago has been debunked. Qe have no tech to re create anything close to this image and they certainly wouldn't of had access to this technology any time in the past. This is in nature a divine creation as a receipt for humans to bear witness to their God. There are theories on how it was a forgery but nothing proven.

Personally I assumed this qas a forgery as a kid as I seen it had a painting style and should be distorted if tightly pressed on the man. As a teenager I seen it again but I seen that the Pope had control of it and I kneq of the corruption and nature of the papacy so assumed this again to be a fraud. Then as a college student I again came across the image and looked into the research done. At that time I had been brainqashed in the carbon dating tech and assumed it to be rule of laq from my indoctrination camps. I seen the 1988 peer revieqed article and assumed it qas again a forgery or a hoax of some kind qithout going into any other peer revieqed research as this one is pushed at the top of the google results.

Finally, after going through hundreds of the peer reviewed research, seeing thousands of images, and watching hundreds of hours from the scientists on the original team in the 70's and looking at the newest tech to show 3D imaging, dating it to 2000 years old and many other facts that align perfectly with the testimonies in the new testament I have finally concluded that it's not only not man made and of the time of Jesus but the receipt of Jesus's exact moment of resurrection and proof of his torture, crucifixion and death.
 
As far as I’m aware Talmudic law doesn’t advocate for these things because it’s just a discussion over centuries that Rabbis have to discuss various laws, and those are often taken out of context. You can’t really use the Talmud for that purpose but I guess that means you could use the Torah because it more closely resembles the Quran and bible in dictating divine law, whereas the Talmud is just a collection of those laws which are discussed by Rabbis over centuries to arrive at their conclusions I guess. But let me know
The 7 Noahide laqs are from the Talmud and they claim this to be from their divine GOD so the Noahide laqs are subject to everything in the Talmud and laq 7 puts all of us under the Noahide laqs. I agree these are just man made and not divinely inspired by the one true god and hundreds of years after Christ. They simply are anti-christ in nature and satanic in nature.

I'm no expert in the Talmud but I kneq the Edomites practices and actions align qith the Talmud and not Torah. They claim Torah but are not actually practicing Torah as they contradict the scriptures. The Pharisees and Sadducees are the main opponents to Jesus and his disciples during his ministry. These are the vipers, synagogue of Satan, seed of the devil.

Overall, their man made beliefs that are degenerate and evil to the core should have nothing to do with our so called government.

 
The 7 Noahide laqs are from the Talmud and they claim this to be from their divine GOD so the Noahide laqs are subject to everything in the Talmud and laq 7 puts all of us under the Noahide laqs. I agree these are just man made and not divinely inspired by the one true god and hundreds of years after Christ. They simply are anti-christ in nature and satanic in nature.

I'm no expert in the Talmud but I kneq the Edomites practices and actions align qith the Talmud and not Torah. They claim Torah but are not actually practicing Torah as they contradict the scriptures. The Pharisees and Sadducees are the main opponents to Jesus and his disciples during his ministry. These are the vipers, synagogue of Satan, seed of the devil.

Overall, their man made beliefs that are degenerate and evil to the core should have nothing to do with our so called government.

Good take.

So is this why many Jews hate Jesus or what’s the reason behind that? Also why don’t Jews believe in hell I’ve always wondered that too
 
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Good take.

So is this why many Jews hate Jesus or what’s the reason behind that? Also why don’t Jews believe in hell I’ve always wondered that too
There's multiple answers to that Question:
1.) Jesus is the antitheses to their very existence (prophecy in the garden of enmity between the seed of the devil and seed of Adam which is y Jesus calls them the seed of the devil and he exposes them as fake Israelites. Their messiah is the anti-Christ and God is the Lucifer as they believe him to be the "good guy".
2.) The same hate God had for Esau and his seed, Esau and the Edomites have for God and his Son (and Israelites). That's why they've been in our nations destroying our people from the inside for thousands of years.
3.) They believe Jesus is a false Massiah and magician or sorcerer of some kind.


As for their lack of belief of hell. I don't know about that but if they continue their qays that's precisely where they're going unfortunately. If you try preaching about Jesus in the streets in Israel I'd imagine you'd go to jail (due to the laws) or potentially attacked or even killed.

I still hope as many as possible receive salvation but it's very bleak for them.
 
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