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[Gengar]

Bollywood halo in North Africa for curries

I wanted to gatekeep this information , because as usually when curries find out, they ruin everything. After all their dogshit SMV is largely self-inflicted. However I realize many some of you are civilized and act with decency. I've been running Muzz account in North Africa and have done even...

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Bollywood halo, yes. To some degree. But that excludes Pakistanis and Bengalis.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Bollywood halo, yes. To some degree. But that excludes Pakistanis and Bengalis.

That's like saying Hollywood halo excludes British and Germans. Bullshit. Indians are downgraded for being Hindu so if anything its an extra halo for being Muslim. It's like curry and MENA foids when they find out a white guy is Bosnian.

 

[Diarrhoea]

That's like saying Hollywood halo excludes British and Germans. Bullshit. Indians are downgraded for being Hindu so if anything its an extra halo for being Muslim. It's like curry and MENA foids when they find out a white guy is Bosnian.

Btw just curious what’s the reason u prefer Moroccan / arab women are u just only attracted to them or do u think it will save boost ur kids genes somehow like half the ethnics think

 

[Gengar]

That's like saying Hollywood halo excludes British and Germans. Bullshit. Indians are downgraded for being Hindu so if anything its an extra halo for being Muslim. It's like curry and MENA foids when they find out a white guy is Bosnian.

You can't use the Hollywood halo argument on British and Germans because they're white and benefit off of JBW. There's no halo for South Asians, as a muzzie you only have failos.

 

[Gengar]

Btw just curious what’s the reason u prefer Moroccan / arab women are u just only attracted to them or do u think it will save boost ur kids genes somehow like half the ethnics think

Self-hating deathnik trait: seeking MENA women as a non-MENA.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Btw just curious what’s the reason u prefer Moroccan / arab women are u just only attracted to them or do u think it will save boost ur kids genes somehow like half the ethnics think

I find them attractive. Actually concerned if I have a child as a mena-curry hybrid they would fuck up the boy. Girls are fine.

But Imma sound selfish. I don't give a fuck. I just wanna fuck a nice big phat nafri.

Self-hating deathnik trait: seeking MENA women as a non-MENA.

You know full well I prefer MENA pheno over curry but curry culture over MENA. MENA-passing curry is ideal just too rare.

You can't use the Hollywood halo argument on British and Germans because they're white and benefit off of JBW. There's no halo for South Asians, as a muzzie you only have failos.

It was just an analogy. Since when is Muzzie a failo for fellow muzzies?

 

[Diarrhoea]

Self-hating deathnik trait: seeking MENA women as a non-MENA.

Yh tbh some ethnics honestly have a fetish thinking mixing with another ethnicity will make their kids moggers bit 80 percent of the time they come out looking disabled

 

[Gengar]

You know full well I prefer MENA pheno over curry but curry culture over MENA. MENA-passing curry is ideal just too rare.

Yeah but you still prefer outsiders, that do not belong in your country so it's self-hating still, you may not worship whites but it's still worship of another race, so it's still cucked.

It was just an analogy. Since when is Muzzie a failo for fellow muzzies?

I meant worldwide. And you speak only of Bollywood halo, which is meant for dindus. Not madrassamaxxed muzzies like you and me.

 

[Deleted member 69082]

he is indian 100%

No

 

[SecularIslamist]

Yh tbh some ethnics honestly have a fetish thinking mixing with another ethnicity will make their kids moggers bit 80 percent of the time they come out looking disabled

I'm not explaining my position 100s of time to everyone. Go see what I say about MENA men I call them subhuman and cucked.

@Michael Myers thinks he knows what I like and hate better than I do

Yeah but you still prefer outsiders, that do not belong in your country so it's self-hating still, you may not worship whites but it's still worship of another race, so it's still cucked.

I find them more attractive if you think that's self hating then JFL at you. You're the same coz you say the same thing about white women too, so why the hypocrisy.

I meant worldwide. And you speak only of Bollywood halo, which is meant for dindus. Not madrassamaxxed muzzies like you and me.

Bollywood halo is for a pheno not a culture.

 

[Diarrhoea]

Yeah but you still prefer outsiders, that do not belong in your country so it's self-hating still, you may not worship whites but it's still worship of another race, so it's still cucked.

I meant worldwide. And you speak only of Bollywood halo, which is meant for dindus. Not madrassamaxxed muzzies like you and me.

Average arab girl isn’t much better tbh so i don’t get where the appeal comes from

 

[Gengar]

I find them more attractive if you think that's self hating then JFL at you. You're the same coz you say the same thing about white women too, so why the hypocrisy.

Yes, it's self-hating because you can't accept a Bengali and fetishize other women. That makes you self-hating, you can cope all you want. I think white women are the best-looking but I don't want to date or marry a white woman, stop coping already, we aren't the same. You're self-hating and I am not.

 

[Gengar]

Bollywood halo is for a pheno not a culture.

Major cope. It's dindu culture that's promoted in Bollywood, hence the halo. JFL. I thought you were smarter than this.

 

[Gengar]

Average arab girl isn’t much better tbh so i don’t get where the appeal comes from

Agreed. And it's just pure self-hatred, but he won't accept it. JFL.

 

[urukhaiascension]

The West is absolute chaos, the civility established by God will allow everyone to live in harmony without satanic practices. Listen to the creator and you can have a happy life.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Yes, it's self-hating because you can't accept a Bengali and fetishize other women. That makes you self-hating, you can cope all you want. I think white women are the best-looking but I don't want to date or marry a white woman, stop coping already, we aren't the same. You're self-hating and I am not.

So you're self hating too. I find Greek women just as or more attractive than some MENA but I'd never marry one LMAO.

I can accept a Bengali if they look like this

Rate top 1% Bengali girl

She actually skipped me (brutal). It is OLD but I thought I'd still be able to attract these girls since her average option is a $5 a day, 5'4 rickshaw driver. But anyway I know for sure I can get similar of maybe slightly below her looks via arranged marriage. I know some of you niggas hate...

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Major cope. It's dindu culture that's promoted in Bollywood, hence the halo. JFL. I thought you were smarter than this.

Yet so many Bollywood actors are Muslim.

Average arab girl isn’t much better tbh so i don’t get where the appeal comes from

Depends on the Arab. Generally speaking they fog curries. Not just Arabs but Turks, kurds and Iranians. They fog curries too. This is literally a fact. Retards like @Michael Myers will call me a self hater for it because I'm a curry (Bengali) saying it but if I was white he'd behave no problem.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You are right that Aisha never loved or cared about him,

+ she fabricates many lies to tarnish his name

Our Shia imams have stated themselves that she was one of the biggest liars on his name

Lmfao proof that Aisha knew deep down even down the Muslim brainwashing that MO was a false prophet and she hated her slave master (yes im gonna call him that as a 9yr old has no say). He saying she used to play with dolls proves she has a grudge and probably recalls the terror of having to fuck a man. I want to hug poor aisha and cry for her she didn’t deserve that, nobody deserves that an 9yr old… makes my blood heat

Mathew 18:8 But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

[Gengar]

So you're self hating too. I find Greek women just as or more attractive than some MENA but I'd never marry one LMAO.

How am I self-hating? I am not trying to get a non-South Asian, unlike you. Stop projecting.

Yet so many Bollywood actors are Muslim.

Who don't promote their culture but dindu culture. JFL at this.

Depends on the Arab. Generally speaking they fog curries. Not just Arabs but Turks, kurds and Iranians. They fog curries too. This is literally a fact. Retards like @

@Michael Myers will call me a self hater for it because I'm a curry (Bengali) saying it but if I was white he'd behave no problem.

Tales. You overrate these mid deathniks because you're self-hating.

 

[Diarrhoea]

How am I self-hating? I am not trying to get a non-South Asian, unlike you. Stop projecting.

Who don't promote their culture but dindu culture. JFL at this.

Tales. You overrate these mid deathniks because you're self-hating.

Honestly I think if u moved to the uk where there’s more people of ur culture compared to Netherlands you’d find a wife who’s ur ethnicity without arranged marriage

 

[SecularIslamist]

How am I self-hating? I am not trying to get a non-South Asian, unlike you. Stop projecting.

How am I projecting - In pointing out a similarity. You find them (whites) more attractive than curries. Okay fine. I don't call you self hating for it. I'm just asking you to be consistent in your logic.

I find MENAs more attractive. Yeah unlike you I want to marry one. Only in rare exceptions would I accept a curry. This difference makes me self-hating? Okay but you need a better definition.

Lots of men find other races of women more attractive than their own.

Who don't promote their culture but dindu culture. JFL at this.

Doesn't matter they're Muslim and everyone knows it.

Tales. You overrate these mid deathniks because you're self-hating.

And you overrated white women coz your self hating two. It applies both ways does it not?

 

[Gengar]

Honestly I think if u moved to the uk where there’s more people of ur culture compared to Netherlands you’d find a wife who’s ur ethnicity without arranged marriage

You are far too optimistic, my friend. Nobody could find me attractive as I'm too unattractive. And the most hateful towards me are brown women unironically (MENA, South Asians). Whereas white women and black women are the nicest, but neither are they interested in me nor do I seek a non-brown partner.

 

[Gengar]

How am I projecting - In pointing out a similarity. You find them (whites) more attractive than curries. Okay fine. I don't call you self hating for it. I'm just asking you to be consistent in your logic.

I am being consistent, though? I say I only want a South Asian, because I'm not self-hating.

I find MENAs more attractive. Yeah unlike you I want to marry one. Only in rare exceptions would I accept a curry. This difference makes me self-hating? Okay but you need a better definition.

And that's why you're self-hating, because you are trying your best to get a MENA woman and "only in rare exceptions would I accept a curry" is proof of your self-hatred.

Lots of men find other races of women more attractive than their own.

Yeah, lots of men are self-hating. Didn't argue that.

Doesn't matter they're Muslim and everyone knows it.

It matters because they promote dindu culture and in real life they are secular. Amir Khan had dindu statues in his house to promote both religions for their children. JFL.

And you overrated white women coz your self hating two. It applies both ways does it not?

I am not overrating anyone. Deathnik foids fraud with fake-up and still end up looking mid at best, whereas white women don't fraud with fake-up and fog them without trying. Still I don't seek white women because I'm not self-hating.

 

[SecularIslamist]

I am being consistent, though? I say I only want a South Asian, because I'm not self-hating.

But you say white women are more attractive. I find MENAs attractive and I would actually go for one. I clearly chase what I want unlike you.

And that's why you're self-hating, because you are trying your best to get a MENA woman and "only in rare exceptions would I accept a curry" is proof of your self-hatred.

Yeah, lots of men are self-hating. Didn't argue that.

You can score virtue points all you want by labelling others self hating while at the same time admitting your own women look worse. You're running in circles here JFL. Since when was a preference self-hating?

It matters because they promote dindu culture and in real life they are secular. Amir Khan had dindu statues in his house to promote both religions for their children. JFL.

Why did that Moroccan women raise Bollywood up with me if she didn't think I was curry?

I am not overrating anyone. Deathnik foids fraud with fake-up and still end up looking mid at best, whereas white women don't fraud with fake-up and fog them without trying. Still I don't seek white women because I'm not self-hating.

You have a dumb ass shit definition of self-hating. Every man / women who marry outside their race is self hating by definition. Okay whatever. There is nothing to argue here.

I'm just asking for consistency. Next time you see a white guy simping for a MENA, med or gook and says they want to fuck / LTR one, you have to apply the same logic. Because currently you only do it to curries - which says more about you than the curries in question.

 

[Gengar]

But you say white women are more attractive. I find MENAs attractive and I would actually go for one. I clearly chase what I want unlike you.

I'm stating factual things. I am not chasing them or anything, and that's what sets me apart from you. I don't want a white partner, unlike you (change "white" to "MENA").

You can score virtue points all you want by labelling others self hating while at the same time admitting your own women look worse. You're running in circles here JFL. Since when was a preference self-hating?

"It's just preferences " said every self-hating man and woman.

Why did that Moroccan women raise Bollywood up with me if she didn't think I was curry?

Okay, so you have Bollywood phenotype like me, congrats. Doesn't do shit though.

You have a dumb ass shit definition of self-hating. Every man / women who marry outside their race is self hating by definition. Okay whatever. There is nothing to argue here.

Self-hating = chasing other races of women (or men). It's simple as that.

I'm just asking for consistency. Next time you see a white guy simping for a MENA, med or gook and says they want to fuck / LTR one, you have to apply the same logic. Because currently you only do it to curries - which says more about you than the curries in question.

Whites are running JBW on self-hating deathnik foids, I don't see why I should argue them? You can keep playing the victim role if you want though.

 

[arab_chink]

I dont think it will happen with the way the west is now

 

[SecularIslamist]

I'm stating factual things. I am not chasing them or anything, and that's what sets me apart from you. I don't want a white partner, unlike you (change "white" to "MENA").

"It's just preferences " said every self-hating man and woman.

Retarded logic but whatever.

Anyway my point is I never see you ever call out @Manchild for this or @Iasacrko or @flippasav but when it's a curry you're offended and scream "self-hate"

Okay, so you have Bollywood phenotype like me, congrats. Doesn't do shit though.

Self-hating = chasing other races of women (or men). It's simple as that.

That's the point Bollywood pheno = halo

Whites are running JBW on self-hating deathnik foids, I don't see why I should argue them? You can keep playing the victim role if you want though.

No there are actual people who worship gook foids and fetishize them. Gigacope. There are MENAs who worship EE foids etc etc. Again I see no consistency only targeting curries (maybe because it's veiled self hate on your part).

 

[flippasav]

Retarded logic but whatever.

Anyway my point is I never see you ever call out @Manchild for this or @Iasacrko or @flippasav but when it's a curry you're offended and scream "self-hate"

Give me time to figure out tf is going on bhai

 

[Gengar]

Retarded logic but whatever.

Self-hating is retarded, yes. So maybe stop being self-hating.

Anyway my point is I never see you ever call out @Manchild for this or @Iasacrko or @flippasav but when it's a curry you're offended and scream "self-hate"

They're not South Asian muzzies. Now if you were a kafir or a dindu I wouldn't have argued probably.

That's the point Bollywood pheno = halo

Doesn't work if you're a muzzie.

No there are actual people who worship gook foids and fetishize them. Gigacope. There are MENAs who worship EE foids etc etc. Again I see no consistency only targeting curries (maybe because it's veiled self hate on your part).

See my second sentence in this post. JFL at trying to project your self-hatred onto me, you slimy manlet bastard.

 

[Diarrhoea]

Retarded logic but whatever.

Anyway my point is I never see you ever call out @Manchild for this or @Iasacrko or @flippasav but when it's a curry you're offended and scream "self-hate"

That's the point Bollywood pheno = halo

No there are actual people who worship gook foids and fetishize them. Gigacope. There are MENAs who worship EE foids etc etc. Again I see no consistency only targeting curries (maybe because it's veiled self hate on your part).

Ngl u are low-key a little self hating because u act like u are above foids of ur own race for some reason and they are a last chance for you

 

[SecularIslamist]

Self-hating is retarded, yes. So maybe stop being self-hating.

They're not South Asian muzzies. Now if you were a kafir or a dindu I wouldn't have argued probably.

Doesn't work if you're a muzzie.

See my second sentence in this post. JFL at trying to project your self-hatred onto me, you slimy manlet bastard.

So you only care if south Asians are self-hating? Okay case closed. Thanks for proving my point.

I guess I'm just gonna have to deal with ONLY YOU in my replies calling me out for self-hatred constantly when I post about MENA women.

 

[Gengar]

So you only care if south Asians are self-hating? Okay case closed. Thanks for proving my point.

I guess I'm just gonna have to deal with ONLY YOU in my replies calling me out for self-hatred constantly when I post about MENA women.

What point? That you're self-hating because you chase MENA women?

 

[SecularIslamist]

Ngl u are low-key a little self hating because u act like u are above foids of ur own race for some reason and they are a last chance for you

That's your reading of my posts and making assumptions. I don't find most of them attractive. I don't find blacks attractive either. In fact I find them less attractive than curries.

 

[SecularIslamist]

What point? That you're self-hating because you chase MENA women?

That you only apply the same logic to south Asians but not other races

 

[Gengar]

That you only apply the same logic to south Asians but not other races

Okay so you're deflecting now. Gotcha.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Okay so you're deflecting now. Gotcha.

You literally said it yourself - just scroll up

 

[Gengar]

You literally said it yourself - just scroll up

What's it gotta do with you chasing MENA women because you're self-hating?

 

[SecularIslamist]

What's it gotta do with you chasing MENA women because you're self-hating?

Because you don't have a problem when whites fetishize gooks or when MENAs fetishize EEs and Russians. You never call out their "self-hating" but make a 5+ page thread everytime I say I something. Wonder why? Clearly case of repressed Stockholm syndrome.

And saying you don't because I am "south Asian and Muslim" is just pure cope. Self-hatred can only exist from the purview of curries for you, when literally every other ethnic and white can also self-hate.

All the same time you admit white women are better looking than curries, but would never chase one

 

[Gengar]

Because you don't have a problem when whites fetishize gooks or when MENAs fetishize EEs and Russians. You never call out their "self-hating" but make a 5+ page thread everytime I say I something. Wonder why? Clearly case of repressed Stockholm syndrome.

And saying you don't because I am "south Asian and Muslim" is just pure cope. Self-hatred can only exist from the purview of curries for you, when literally every other ethnic and white can also self-hate.

All the same time you admit white women are better looking than curries, but would never chase one

I'm only speaking to South Asian muzzies because I am a South Asian muzzie. And by not chasing white women I am exactly not self-hating, unlike you who's been trying for years now to get a non-SA woman. And you already got a body count of 2, both were non-SA so yes, you are incredibly self-hating, but you don't want to admit it.

 

[Deleted member 69082]

she was 19

No she wasn’t, that’s just dumb propaganda they use to make him look good

 

[SecularIslamist]

I'm only speaking to South Asian muzzies because I am a South Asian muzzie.

Scroll up. It took you like 5 replies back and forth to come up with this excuse after I asked you why you wasn't being consistent....

And by not chasing white women I am exactly not self-hating, unlike you who's been trying for years now to get a non-SA woman.

Ita funny how you keep the threshold of self-hating to what doesn't include yoy. Even in this thread you constantly change the goalposts when I call out your inconsistencies.

Also non-SA or SA when they're MTB+ they always ghost. I'd rather go for MTB curry over LTB MENA because attractiveness is all that matters.

And you already got a body count of 2, both were non-SA so yes, you are incredibly self-hating, but you don't want to admit it.

I haven't spoken to a Bengali girl of a marriageble age in a social setting since 2011.

 

[Gengar]

Scroll up. It took you like 5 replies back and forth to come up with this excuse after I asked you why you wasn't being consistent....

I'm consistent in the sense I'm not self-hating, because I don't chase non-SA.

Ita funny how you keep the threshold of self-hating to what doesn't include yoy. Even in this thread you constantly change the goalposts when I call out your inconsistencies.

Not even being inconsistent, have been saying the same thing all this time: you're self-hating for chasing non-SA women.

Also non-SA or SA when they're MTB+ they always ghost. I'd rather go for MTB curry over LTB MENA because attractiveness is all that matters.

I haven't spoken to a Bengali girl of a marriageble age in a social setting since 2011.

Don't MTB MENAs also ghost you? I get/got ghosted too by SAs but still, I prefer my own people. You should broaden your options and start talking to Bengali women/SA women.

 

[Deleted member 46979]

i think in scales of billions of years, therefore the fate of islam is irrelevant.

 

[SecularIslamist]

I'm consistent in the sense I'm not self-hating, because I don't chase non-SA.

Not even being inconsistent, have been saying the same thing all this time: you're self-hating for chasing non-SA women.

I think you need to look at a dictionary definition of the word 'consistent'. It is heavily correlated with being the antithesis of a hypocrite.

Don't MTB MENAs also ghost you? I get/got ghosted too by SAs but still, I prefer my own people. You should broaden your options and start talking to Bengali women/SA women.

Femcel, LTB, MTB etc. they all ghost. I'm not even on any apps since Ramadan.

Just FYI 70% of people I've spoken to on OLD are Bengali actually. But I'll admit I only matched back to less than 5%

 

[Gengar]

I think you need to look at a dictionary definition of the word 'consistent'. It is heavily correlated with being the antithesis of a hypocrite.

Stop arguing semantics. You're a self-hating curry, there's no arguing this. Time to chase after SA women more if you wish to redeem yourself.

Femcel, LTB, MTB etc. they all ghost. I'm not even on any apps since Ramadan.

Just FYI 70% of people I've spoken to on OLD are Bengali actually. But I'll admit I only matched back to less than 5%

Okay but you didn't really mention that, good to know you at least try with SA women. I thought you never did. Though matching back to less than 5% is sus.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Stop arguing semantics. You're a self-hating curry, there's no arguing this. Time to chase after SA women more if you wish to redeem yourself.

It's not semantics it's logic.

Okay but you didn't really mention that, good to know you at least try with SA women. I thought you never did. Though matching back to less than 5% is sus.

As long as they typically look like this. Again very rare(less than 5%), if they do. Their options are too much. I even accidentally matched a fat LTB and she ghosted too.

I never even swiped right on a single woman in like 6 months. I only swipe back if I get a like.

 

[Gengar]

It's not semantics it's logic.

Not really, you are just coming up with arguments that have nothing to do with my main argument (chasing women outside of one's race is peak self-hatred).

As long as they typically look like this. Again very rare(less than 5%), if they do. Their options are too much. I even accidentally matched a fat LTB and she ghosted too.
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I never even swiped right on a single woman in like 6 months. I only swipe back if I get a like.

I don't find her remotely attractive and I'm not even a standardcel. Start swiping right on every woman and then go for the one who matches you and is the best-looking.

 

[6ft4]

All the athiest lefties will succumb to islam while all the conservative christians will continue siding with the Jews

The lefties already treat wokeness like a religion so making the switch to Islam wont be too hard for them despite woke beliefs being the anthitesis to Islamic beliefs, the woketards will just get devoured by muslims and get in line because they side with whatever they consider to be the most dominant source of authority (jews currently promoting islams expansion in the west and will frame them as the authority to follow)

So now Islam will be full of fanatical low IQ ethnics and gender neutral mentalcel whites which will plummet them into being seen as lower than rednecks while they will still make up a sizeable chunk of the population

Christians will support Jews and Israel just because it's a brainwashed boomer thing to do
Once they die off, you will have all of the fanatical, religious seeking woketards as part of Islam while everyone else will be indifferent so now you're left with Jews v Muslims with no Christians
Once you're in this position, absolutely nobody will give a fuck about what Jews are doing to Muslims except Muslims theselves who wont be able to do shit about it

 

[SecularIslamist]

Not really, you are just coming up with arguments that have nothing to do with my main argument (chasing women outside of one's race is peak self-hatred).

Yeah I'm saying this applies to literally most people. There's nothing wrong with chasing someone outside your race. My argument is why you don't rage or dedicate same energy over BBCs fucking whites, or MENAs fucking EEs and etc etc.

I don't find her remotely attractive and I'm not even a standardcel. Start swiping right on every woman and then go for the one who matches you and is the best-looking.

I'm not doing that shit. I don't even want to swipe left because this cucked app shows who visited your profile if you swipe left.

In my 1+ year on-off in this app I only swiped right on >100 women. 90% of then were MENA origin, 10% curry. None of them matched back.

My only 'matches"' were when they liked me first.

 

[Gengar]

Yeah I'm saying this applies to literally most people. There's nothing wrong with chasing someone outside your race. My argument is why you don't rage or dedicate same energy over BBCs fucking whites, or MENAs fucking EEs and etc etc.

Are you pretending to be retarded? I already said I only go after currycels because I'm SA myself.

I'm not doing that shit. I don't even want to swipe left because this cucked app shows who visited your profile if you swipe left.

In my 1+ year on-off in this app I only swiped right on >100 women. 90% of then were MENA origin, 10% curry. None of them matched back.

My only 'matches"' were when they liked me first.

Swiping right on 100 women isn't much if you used it for 1+ year. That's quite picky. Just swipemaxx. But at least women like you, they don't like me at all.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Are you pretending to be retarded? I already said I only go after currycels because I'm SA myself.

Shit reason.

Swiping right on 100 women isn't much if you used it for 1+ year. That's quite picky. Just swipemaxx.

No you don't understand Muzz. It's femcel central. If you consider that girl I posted unattractive - she's literally top 5%.

Good luck finding your own race + attractive.

But at least women like you, they don't like me at all.

Because you never tried.